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From an earlier comments thread:

kj:

I fear you missed my point in the earlier thread. I did not intend to show that the "founding fathers wanted a Christian church-state"; rather, I was responding to the continued assertion that Adams was favorably disposed philosophically and practically toward islam. If you revisit the thread, you'll see the same quote from a treaty pasted repeatedly, in contrast to what Adams said substantively about islam throughout his writings. I was merely pointing out that discrepancy and the [false] portrayal perpetrated by the muslim intending to persuade that America's founding fathers were welcoming toward islam - which they were NOT. This tactic is used by muslims in an ongoing campaign to establish the U.S. as being founded according to a Judeo-Christian-islamic tradition, which it most certainly was not.

Posted by: CGW at December 28, 2004 8:03 AM

"Muslim Scholars": Ah, now I understand the meaning of oxymoron. According to the UN sponsored Arab Development Report, more than half of all degrees granted by Saudi universities are in Islamic Studies or Islamic Literature.

So while the Saudi "masterminds" were debating about what time Prince Sultan should say his prayers aboard the orbiting US space shuttle, the folks at JPL were planning their next robotic mission to Mars.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at December 28, 2004 9:05 AM

Muslim scholar = honorable shyster.

Posted by: Kemaste at December 28, 2004 12:23 PM

Wait a minute, I found another oxymoron ..... did he say "all "honest" Iraqi resistance factions"?

Posted by: Oyster at December 28, 2004 12:38 PM

"Even as the Association denounces the horrible crimes in Najaf and Karbala, it calls on all Sunni and Shiite scholars to get together soon to agree on ways to stand in the face of these conspiracies and treacheries,” it said in a statement."
Yes, because it's so easy to "stand in the face" of a fabrication instead of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, isn't it?

Qaradawi is also the same "reformist" who called on Muslims to use "any means necessary" to thwart the Gaza pull-out:
http://debka.com/article.php?aid=874

Posted by: Mike at December 28, 2004 1:24 PM

What kind of creature is Man? Some of us argue that Man is a learning animal; but others argue that Man is a herd animal. Divided thus by opinion and attitude we have the free-thinking individualist acheivers on one side, and the conflated Red Nazis on the other.

Those who decide that Man is a herd animal are determined to maintain that status for him. By romanticizing the palestinians and the barbarians of the world, by extolling the virtues of the Noble Savage, by sitting in the Western suburbs and cheerleading for the savages in a "state of nature," the pseudo-intellectuals in our midsts can claim personal superiority on two fronts: they are smarter and better equiped to live than the barbarians of the barbarian world; thus by infantalizing them and the native poor, they have personal power and high status in positions of control of the lesser beings. The world becomes a giant kindergaarten. The liberals control a helpless constituency. by maintaining a permanent state of dependency in the savage world, the pseudo-intellectuals and Red Nazis have a base from which to exercize their control for the good of those too stupid and incompetent to live in the modern world. And to ensure they remain stupid and incompetent, all Human progress is denied to the peasant world, no schools of free thought, no public debate, no dialectic: only the fascist party line. Those who challenge their thesis are condemned as racists who are commiting cultural genocide if not worse.

And when the peasant world has been impoverished and stupified and bound by the idiocy of rural living--even in cities of mega millions-- the fascist class rules in kingdoms of despair quite happily. Any group who challenges the thesis that Man is a herd animal, and worse, any group who can show by deed that there is nothing to stop Human progress, those are the ones demonized, made into rascists who have no right to live here or there, perhaps not anywhere.

Philobarbarism and sentimentality are the ruling ethos of the fascists today, the difference being from yesterday that it was simple brute force and contempt that held the peasant classes in slavery. Now it is moral superiority of the intellectual Left fascists that condemns the peasants to perpetual slavery. Today the intellectual classes of the West are protecting traditional cultures and indigenous "peoples" from neo-colonialism and imperialism and globalization.

Philobarbarism and sanctimony raise up the fool in his own eyes as one who is morally superior and far smarter than mere red-neck racist bigots. The intellectuals of the Left, now conflated with the Right, understand the privledged positions of "the White European cancer of history," as Sontag describes them. Those living in states of Nature, at one with the enviornment, living in enviornmentally sustainable communities, those men born free, now in chains of democracy and free opinion, victimized by captialism, they are idealized by pampered suburbanites living on tax dollars, minding the kindergaarten of the world. Being moral and protective of those who are victims, e.g. the palestinians, makes the fool in his own eyes a superior person, better in all ways than thsoe who would wipe away the dead hand of tradition and free the world of its evils. Men and women learned in critical examination of fact rather than opinion, and, as Postman writes in Technopoly: "logic, sequence, history, exosition, objectivity, detachment, and discipiline," those people free to think rationally and productivedly, those are the very people the fascist Left cannot use for their own ends. The philobarbarists ensure a steady supply of dependents by reproducing generation after generation of made-to-order idiots. And in comparison, the fascists are in every way superior to the savages they make. In every way and even this one: they are evil beyond compare.

Those peasants who would leave the barbarism of their homelands for the fruits of the Western renaissance, for the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution, for common freedom, democracy, personal liberty, and the pursuit of owns interest and happiness, those are enslved and ghettoized by the philobarbarists who leech off their imposed misery. Multi-culturalism ensures that those who escaped the idiocy of their prior rural living are left, as Pedelty writes, "to love the memory of their chains." And then, infantalized and dependent, they are used till they explode in frustration and hatred. All this for the good of the people, the herd who need the guiding hand of the intelligencia.

The so-called palestinians are a creation of Western fascism from the time of Hitler to Chirac. Haj Amin to Arafat, they are used to instill a hatred of free thinking and Human progress. man as a learning creature is a threat to the fascists. Those who support the "rights of the palestinian peoples" are little better than Nazis bent on exterminating the world of individuals. the philobarbarists would turn the world into a feudal holding yet again if they could. And they do try.

But look at those who descry the agonies of the victims of the West: they laud traditional herbal remedies for the indigenous peoples, and yet they run immediately for their own security in times of woe straight to Novum Organum.

Demonizing Israel is to demonize progress and the Human learner.To perpetuate the myth of the Noble Savage is to perpetuate the social fascism of the conflated and thew now false dichotomy of the Left and Right. To reproduce the consent to barbarism is to impose fascism on the world for the sake only of those in power.

Our struggle here is to smash Islamic revivalism and Islam itself. Our goal then must be to detach ourselves from any lingering sympathy for philobarbarism.

We must decide whether Man is a creature of the herd meant to be tended and minded in a state of primitivism and "nature" or a creature meant to learn and adapt and progress toward something better than slavery in mind and body. those who pretend to support the rights of the palestinians are perpetuating slavery, ignorance, violence, and murder. Those suffering the worst effects of that are the palestinians. So ask yourself who gains.

And finally, if you are simply sick of the whold business and wish to exterminate the lot of them, pay attention to the results to follow from the tsunami, the diseases that will come from the unbvuried bodies washing up on the beaches for the next month. Imagine what will happen if we are forced at some time hence to actually go to war against a slave population who must die to save the world from more destruction yet. We wills ee the spread of disease from even those few thosuands dead from floods. Imagine if you will, the result of millions of dead unburied bodies.

We have a moral obligation to save those who can be saved, and we have a duty to protect ourselves from the result of killing them if they are too many to bury. In every way it is in everyones interest to save the Noble Savages from those who enslave and stupify them.

If we will do anything at all, we can begin right here, right now. Any distractions from a goal we set is to give aid and comfort to our enemies. We have all it takes to begin a counter-push to save the slave world of incited Moslem revivalism. You are the media, and you have the message. If you continue to rely on others to stop the threat of collapse of the peasant world, then that world will indeed implode, and we too will suffer from the aftermath of it.

We could easily organize here. Take stock of your abilties and talents and offer them here. the passivity of the majority will lead us to destruction if we don't organize a clear and effective resistence. Here it is a matter of attitude: either we are creatures ccapable of learning and acting onf our own volition or we leave our fates in the hands of those who would treat us like herd animals.

Posted by: sonofwalker at December 28, 2004 1:51 PM

A great contribution, sonofwalker! Really appreciate it!

Posted by: Terminator at December 28, 2004 4:03 PM

SONOFWALKER
You have brought up the tough nitty grity issues here - and we are at war, a war forced upon us by Militant Islam. Since Islam is the problem, we have to deal with it as once we dealt with the Nazis and Communism, also TOTAL IDEOLOGIES. For a start we need to RECLAIM OUR LANDS FROM THE MUSLIM SCOURGE. ALL MUSLIM IMMIGRATION MUST STOP NOW! ALL BUILDING OF MOSQUES MUST STOP NOW!! WELFARE BENEFITS FOR THESE PARASITES MUST STOP NOW!!!

Posted by: Morgane at December 28, 2004 5:47 PM

NEWS ALERT!

Good grief, folks, the Muslims have been right all this time after all! THE KORAN IS THE SOURCE OF ALL KNOWLEDGE WORTH KNOWING! And since the Koran is eternal, that encompasses all knowledge!

How do I know this, you ask? Well, embedded within the Holy Scripture of Islam, the Koran, is an encryption of all this revealed knowledge that we never even suspected existed! I know about it because earlier this year, I cracked the code! I've been working like a dog (oops!) er, monkey (oops!) er, ape (oops!) er, pig (oops!)--oh well, I've been working REAL HARD on the code!

I've only scratched the surface, of course, but I am now about to share with you just a few examples of this amazing Islamic knowledge! I just know that it's going to make our mean, nasty, reason-using Westerners jealous! I know it will make your reason-infested Western mind very uncomfortable, but I have worked SO hard on breaking the encryption that I feel I MUST let you in on all the Glorious Knowledge of Allah as revealed to the Perfect Man!

Here we go:

1) Allah revealed measurements of the supermassive black hole lying at our galaxy's center.

2) Allah revealed that the sugar "trehalose" stops Huntington's disease.

3) Allah revealed that cord blood harvested at birth boosts survival when injected into people with Hurler's syndrome and in leukemia patients who don't have matching bone marrow donors.

4) Allah revealed that destroying healthy skin cells spurs the immune system to kill neighboring melanoma cells.

5) Allah revealed that nicotine halts the progression of severe sepsis, and that this is a way to help treat this lethal blood infection.

6) Allah revealed that longer telomeres on the tips of chromosomes mean longer life.

7) Allah revealed that miniature computers can be made of DNA, and that they are so small that trillions of them can fit into a drop of water. They can detect specific cancer genes and release a drug to block the genes' actions.

8) Allah revealed a solar cell that utilizes photosynthetic-protein complexes converts sunlight into electricity. (This encryption was particularly difficult to break; Allah made it difficult because it could conceivably bring substantial harm to the Fidels by allowing the Infidels to do an end-run around the Muslim-controlled oil fields.)

9) Allah revealed that by using a printing technique that emulates the way spiders spin silk, complex polymer microstructures with features small enough to be part of photonic crystals or scaffolds can be used for tissue engineering.

10) Allah revealed that paddle-shaped rotors made from individual molecules mounted on a gold surface in an electric field can form the basis of sensors or laser-protection coatings on soldiers' goggles (this one was also difficult, for fear that it would be used against the Fidels).

11) Allah revealed that there is a whole host of materials that use solar energy to split water and make clean-burning hydrogen fuel (this one was also difficult, for the reasons mentioned in 8) above).

12) Allah revealed that a cylinder made of densely packed carbon nanotubes functions as a filtering membrane that can be used to process crude oil and decontaminate drinking water (inasmuch as this was one of the techniques intended for use by the Fidels to harm the Infidels, this revelation was one of the most difficult of all to bring to light).

13) Allah revealed a means by which a tsunami's interaction with winds can explain certain observations associated with the big waves, and can thus enable them to be spotted long before they hit shore. (Allah made a provision that this means of detecting tsunamis should remain secret until the entire planet was converted to Islam; as a reward for the Fidels who would die due to tsunamis, he would make martyrs of them, and allow them to enter Paradise immediately, provided they were males.)

14) Allah revealed that subatomic B mesons show a matter-anti-matter disparity, and that's why there is so little anti-matter in the universe.

15) Allah revealed that highly energized quarks spin in the opposite direction from the neutrons and protons they inhabit.

16) Allah revealed that a bit of iron added to a refrigerant made of gadolinium, germanium, and silicon dramatically boosts the efficiency of magnetic refrigerators.

17) Allah revealed that calling a timeout before an attempted field-goal kick near the end of a football game is an effective defensive strategy.

Well, now! Don't all these Revelations just TYPIFY the kind of knowledge dropped out of the sky by Allah into Islamic universities and laboratories via the Koran? Don't you just wish like crazy that they had been revealed to Western scientists instead?

No wonder the Muslims win all the Nobel Prizes! Westerners are so burdened down with reason! Damn, damn, damn! It just isn't FAIR!

I'm going to go and have a temper-tantrum! Maybe I'll even eat worms (oops!) er, strap some explosives to my chest and go blow up a glorious Muslim university or lab or scientist somewhere!

Golly, I sure do wish Western science could reveal all that neat stuff to us the way Allah revealed it to Muhammad!

Posted by: cubed at December 28, 2004 6:03 PM

I think the entire article is a piece of Zionistic cum Hebrew fabrication.

Everyone in the Islamic world would know better than to use the words "Muslim" and "scholar" together.

The first sentence of the 'Koran' ["This book is not to be doubted."] prevents and forever forbids Inquiry- the living root of Science.

I'll stick with the living over the interpretive.

And when - as 'cubed' aptly put it- the Muslim Universities begin looking beyond their wishes they may regain their wits, and not mere will.

The creative will always prevail over the neocortexually numb.

Posted by: profitsbeard at December 28, 2004 7:39 PM

I just finished my record:

'The winds of Jihad' by Sheik Yer'mami !! (need a translation?)

'...cut off a head for Al Jazeera...'

We have yet to design an album cover, but it will be available. I shall keep you informed!

Posted by: Terminator at December 28, 2004 9:09 PM