How profoundly and painfully disappointing. Work kept me from watching today's events but didn't I read that Billy Graham was giving the prayer today? If Rev. Graham was there, his heart probably almost gave out when he heard that koran crap. Referring to the koran was unnecessary. Bush has officially (and stupidly) made islam a part of American history.

Posted by: 3812Michelle at January 20, 2005 5:33 PM

BUCK:

I understand your point, but I disagree with it. It would go a lot further if Bush would stop beating around the bush (no pun intended) and publically acknowledge the threat from islam. Imams around the world have no problem openly saying what Bush refuses to speak of.

Admission of truth about the enemy we are fighting would have more impact than trying to cultivate a relationship with a powerless, and thusfar mythical ally - the moderate muslim.

Posted by: Belisarius at January 20, 2005 5:35 PM

Other points to ponder from the speeech:

[b]...every man and woman on this Earth has rights, and dignity and matchless value because they bear the image of the maker of heaven and Earth...[/b]

Islam denies that Man was made in the image of God.

[b]...We go forward with complete confidence in the eventual triumph of freedom. Not because history runs on the wheels of inevitability; it is human choices that move events. Not because we consider ourselves a chosen nation; God moves and chooses as he wills....[/b]

I believe that the Sunni creed of Islam says that belief in predestination is a requirement to be a muslim.

Posted by: fides at January 20, 2005 5:43 PM

Bush is trying to "hijack" islam.

Posted by: kentim at January 20, 2005 5:45 PM

I have to admit, I was a little surprised to hear Mr. Bush's reference to the Quran in an otherwise terrific inaugural speech.

Obviously, Mr. Bush was being politic. He was tossing a bone to our friends the Saudi's.

I don't think he has any illusions about the nature of Islam as a religion. But he has to be careful about how he plays this one out.

If it were up to me, I would tell it like it is, and let the pomegranate seeds fall where they may. And then I would give orders to boot all the Muzzies out of this country and send 'em back to Sand Land.

But I don't have a knack for politics, either.

Posted by: rmrohland at January 20, 2005 6:12 PM

Good God. How very depressing. How sickening.

Posted by: Hugh at January 20, 2005 6:40 PM

It is very bad to hear Bush say such things, but it doesn't surprise me at all. The US know the same problem as here in the EU; thinking they can defeat terrorism without accepting that it's source is radical Islam. The greater political powers do not have the will to say out loud it's radical Islam, since they're afraid to hurt Muslim’s their feeling or lose the import of black gold. That’s also the reason why I prefer leading politicians their speeches do not refer to any religion at all. The strict separation of church (or mosque) and state isn't such a bad idea at all...

Posted by: Nordthiad at January 20, 2005 6:58 PM

This is what has worried me about W for the last few years, when I saw a muslim cleric at the memorial service after 9-11 I was fighting mad. There is something up, the lax borders and the attitudes of legislators, make me think there is a conspiracy (I know, tin foil hat time) in high places.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 20, 2005 7:02 PM

A Jewish perspective:

"Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God."

Leviticus XXIV, 22

Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2005 7:15 PM

Nice find, Paul.

I am also fond of a comparison I read where Mohammed deals with a woman caught committing adultery . Mr. Comassion, the World's Greatest Prophet, said, "Hey, don't stone her...until the child is weaned." The comparison is with the story of Jesus and a woman caught in the act; Jesus suggested a man without sin should cast the first stone and in the face of that no one could condemn her.

I don't like what Bush said, but the meaning is obvious: if Islam will fit itself into our society and drop its politcal aspirations, we have nothing against you. We are engaged in a war on jihadists, not moderate muslims.

Posted by: Miss Moneypenney at January 20, 2005 7:26 PM

I watched the inauguration and was thrilled with the tone of his speech . . .until I heard him inject the phrase "the words of the koran" - as if that ever offered a single American value ( integrity, tolerance toward others, and the rule of conscience).

GAG.

At that point I turned off the t.v. and went shopping (spent lots of dimes):).

Posted by: justamomof4 at January 20, 2005 7:48 PM

Talk about inclusion!

Mr President when the GOP decided to become the party of inclusion, I don’t think we had that in mind.

Maybe He is reacting to the liberal rhetoric that he being a Christian is a bigot, racist and is imposing his will on the America people.

He doesn’t realize that all liberals call all Republicans those names.

Posted by: Bar at January 20, 2005 8:13 PM

What I ask you to do is establish definitively that they apply to unbelievers, and have been understood as such in mainstream Islamic thought throughout the ages.

Any takers?

Yeah.. right! like that is even remotely possible.

Posted by: Bar at January 20, 2005 8:22 PM

Looks like the Saudis have a new pet dhimmi. Remember this moment later.

Bar, wearing brown lipstick: Mr President when the GOP decided to become the party of inclusion, I don’t think we had that in mind.

LOL. "Decided to become the party of inclusion"? When was that? When Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms joined you? When Reagan blamed America's problems on "welfare queens"? When David Duke ran on your ticket?

Maybe He is reacting to the liberal rhetoric that he being a Christian is a bigot, racist and is imposing his will on the America people.

Next time I give you the redass, you can say the same thing about me.

He doesn’t realize that all liberals call all Republicans those names.

And conservatives NEVER call liberals names, do they? LOL. They just mail anthrax, blow up federal buildings (and their nurseries), shoot up gay bars, and firebomb women's health clinics.

Get up off your knees, Bar. And wipe off that digusting brown lipstick.

Posted by: kj at January 20, 2005 8:34 PM

Maybe He is reacting to the liberal rhetoric that he being a Christian is a bigot, racist and is imposing his will on the America people.

He doesn’t realize that all liberals call all Republicans those names.

LOL.Talk about denial.Bush apologists make me puke, of course he knows what "liberals say", he just doesn't care what they say,and he doesn't care what his base thinks either, he knows they will "stand by him", regardless of what he says or does. He can't lose, he has a base that will stand by him, thick or thin, it's called codependency, it is seen in dysfunctional relationships.

Get a grip.

Spell (better yet) Google Carlyle Group Bush Saudi

Read House of Bush House of Saud by Paul Unger.

Bushbots remind me of those people who stood by and forgave, Billy Hargis, Jim Swaggart, Jim Bakker. Not because it is Christian, but because it means admitting that you were conned, admitting that you are wrong, and people just can't make those kinds of admissions, because it means admitting that they were fools.

Of all the human psychological defense tactics
denial and rationalization are the greatest "sins".

Ignorance is forgiveable it is simply a lack of knowledge, self willed ignorance is not forgivable, it is purposefuly lack of knowledge.

Like a litle kid who sticks its finger in her ears screaming nah, nah,nah, nah, nah, nah.

Is that what "conservativism" has come to?

This is too important to be "team sports" {Liberal Team v Conservative Team,} get a grip and realize that you have been had, liberals with their airey fairey mind set were had a long time ago, but now it is conservatives who've been had, used and abused.

Bush is a sell out period no different than Kerry.
Politics is a cess pool, and we know what rises to the top in a cesspool.

Posted by: Giaour at January 20, 2005 8:43 PM

Good God. How very depressing. How sickening.

Posted by: Hugh at January 20, 2005 06:40 PM

Gold Star for you today!!

When I heard that I lost my hearinh and had to read the Speach to know what he said??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight and Courage to stay the course to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Evil Amen

Posted by: Catherine at January 20, 2005 8:47 PM

I don't like what Bush said, but the meaning is obvious: if Islam will fit itself into our society and drop its politcal aspirations, we have nothing against you. We are engaged in a war on jihadists, not moderate muslims.

Posted by: Miss Moneypenney

Agreeing with you 110%

"Cant we all get along" (Rodney King)

Posted by: Chuck at January 20, 2005 8:50 PM

Well, what about the former Klansman who still uses a certain well known racial slur? A current "Democratic"(leftist) Senator by the name of Bryd.
---------------

Strom Thurmond was'nt such a bad guy.

http://216.111.31.11/articles/stronthurman.asp

Posted by: kentim at January 20, 2005 9:03 PM

I think some people around here better consider the ramifications of just out and out condemning islam as official policy.
There would/will be world-wide consequences.Major geopolitical consequences.
Not to mention leftists and a few muslims rioting in the streets.
I can see how some would like that.

Posted by: kentim at January 20, 2005 9:09 PM

I see kj is as crass as usual. No need to call you names, kj. You prove the point every time you write.

Posted by: Gary at January 20, 2005 9:14 PM

How'd we work ole Strom into this? We don't have too many moslems down here in God's country so I don't think Strom's memory should be called on.

Yes, I hated it that Bush mentioned the koran today (in addition to 3 years of ROP crap) but - it is politics people, get with it! Would we rather have Kerry, or Carter (bow before Iran) or Clinton (bow before Bosnia and the Sudan)? Actually, they all love to bow down and sympathize with those poor Palestinians - don't they???

Buch is the best option we have to thwart the mohamedan hordes. Stay the course.

Posted by: ortho_man at January 20, 2005 9:20 PM

You're probably right,ortho_man.
Frustration sometimes boils over.

A leftist was trying to perpetuate a lie about Strom.Thats why.

Posted by: kentim at January 20, 2005 9:30 PM

Now the leftists/anarchists/Democrats are accusing Bush of >. I thought we had said earlier he loved them?!?!?!

See:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/1/20/130037.shtml

I only wish it was true.

Posted by: ortho_man at January 20, 2005 9:59 PM

Bush's Presidential Inauguration. Most pundits agree that this was one of the greatest inauguration's in American history. Even the isalmics were not left out, very sporting of GW. The statement in question was probably meant for Iraqi ears more than islamics at large. But, could this be interpreted by islamics in countries other than Iraq as an invitation to immigrate more? Western countries need to decrease islamic imigration and even reverse it. Perhaps the free democracy, USA style but with a weird arab twist, that will emerge in Iraq and then spread to other middle eastern countries will decrease the desire of islamics to immigrate to Western countries. Maybe Bush will have the jeering sneering smartass libs eating crow before this is over.

Posted by: cross at January 20, 2005 10:48 PM

I have noticed every since the 9/11 attack on the American working class and way of life, our President has promoted and praised Islam like no other President of the United States of America before him. This is just his latest exspression of his systematic attempt to legitimize and mainstream Islam in America as part of a broader conspiracy for the Islamitization of the United States of America.

Osama Bin Laden is smiling broadly at the progress of offical recognition and promotion of Islam by the United States government and rest asure that Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave!

Nossy

Posted by: Nostrodamus at January 20, 2005 11:18 PM

Very terse challenge, Robert. Those who take it up may discover some unfortunate metaphysics in Islamic theology.

Questions for the White House:

1) How can "the words of the Koran" be thought of to sustain character that serves the American public interest and ideals of freedom?

2) Are we not finding that the Islamic extremists have the upper hand in Quranic exegesis, and that there are not schools of thought within Islam successfully countering the extremist interpretation? Is this not a testimony as to the dangerous contents of this book -- indeed, "the words of the Koran," to quote the President?

3) Does not the culture that flows from the Quran wish to impose Sharia law and suppress current law -- the laws that make up the fabric of the community of freedom and sustain it?

4) Follow up question to #3: Are not the Sharia laws anti-freedom laws?

5) Does not the call to jihad in the Quran run
contrary to the idea of a United States of America living in peace with itself and respecting the freedom of each individual?

6) Does not the inherent political philsophy of
America present difficulty for the doctrine of slaying and subjugating the infidel as outlined in Quran 9:5,29?

7) Would not the imposition of dhimmitude send America backward toward slavery and not forward toward freedom?

Posted by: ted at January 20, 2005 11:26 PM

The theme of the Bush speech was supposed to be "Freedom" and "Liberty." A belief in predestination, fate, "it is written" abrogates freedom of action. Such contradiction does not appear to matter, however, as a welcoming hand is extended to Muslim moderates (rarely seen or heard, probably hiding in holes somewhere).

Does anyone really expect help against the jihad from these mythical "Muslim moderates?"

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 20, 2005 11:43 PM

Bush, or his speechwriter(s), could have worded it a little better during the Inauguration, and gotten across the same 'realpolitik' message they were trying for, as well as sticking a little closer to the truth, by simply phrasing his "and in the words of the Koran" gambit a little differently: VIZ-
"and in the peaceful words that are in the Koran".

Because, if you comb the texts as thoroughly as a veterinarian looking for scatterng fleas, you CAN find a few phrases that -out of context- actually could be considered "peaceful".

It might have then been a challenge to followers of Islam to go find those words, and see if Bush was right. (And they could even learn more about their own guiding Book in the process.)

This minor rewrite would have been the same obvious sop for the Muslims -that it was meant to be- and, simultaneously, NOT a slap in the face of those who know the Koran well-enough not to be taken-in by Bush's jarring comparison with the Sermon on the Mount.

To my ears, it was like a klaxon in the middle of a pavane. Political flatulence at its flattest.

If he needs a speech 're-writer', his scribes can contact me at:

http://jihad-for-idiots.blogspot.com

"HAVE PEN, WON'T TRAVEL"

Posted by: profitsbeard at January 20, 2005 11:50 PM

Out of context, you say? All right. Here is an open invitation to anyone who may be reading this: don't just quote me Qur'an verses about Allah's compassion and mercy. I know they're there. What I ask you to do is establish definitively that they apply to unbelievers, and have been understood as such in mainstream Islamic thought throughout the ages.

Any takers?

No takers yet!!
Robert,what you asking is the same as finding a bottle of Jack Daniels in Mekka

Good God. How very depressing. How sickening.

Posted by: shiva at January 20, 2005 11:56 PM

Good God. How very depressing. How sickening was not meant to be in my last comment

Posted by: shiva at January 21, 2005 12:01 AM

Below is what is beleived to be secret text that in editing removed from Mr Bush's speach:

"AMerica has benefited from Islamic values like ah...um...welll...ahhh...ummm...wait a sec...ahhhh...ummmm....GOD DAMMIT!!!..ummm....ahhh...Oil!!!! Oh, no that isn't it...ummmm....ahhh...(20 minutes later) Have I run out of time yet?"

Posted by: obl r us at January 21, 2005 12:04 AM

sorry for typos. I meant: "Below is what is beleived to be secret text from Mr Bush's speach that was removed upon editing."

But better typo's than b.s.

Posted by: obl r us at January 21, 2005 12:09 AM

Or maybe it would be more accurate to say Satire is better than appeasement.

Posted by: obl r us at January 21, 2005 1:11 AM

I was prompted to pen this hasty missive to President Bush after hearing his otherwise superb inauguration speech today:

Dear President Bush,

Today is a proud day for America, and the world. Our traditions of free and representative government have been affirmed once again.

Your inauguration speech was very inspiring. It gave me hope that our freedoms and rights will continue to be protected, and to others that their yearning for freedom is being heard.

However, I was shocked and dismayed to hear your reference to the Koran in the same sentence with our Sacred Scriptures and the Ten Commandments that teh so-called prophet Mohammed broke at will. As someone who has read the Koran, I can confirm that it is a terrorist manifesto disguised as religious scripture. The Koran and its teachings have hijacked the souls of more than a billion people. The violence, intolerance, bigotry, racism, and orders for a Jihad of world hegemony by Muslims contained therein are repugnant to myself and all civilized people. Your mention of the Koran offers confirmation of its teachings to all those evil doers who would destroy our freedoms, our liberty, and our very way of life. It also equates the Koran with our Judeo-Christian sacred scriptures in a way that upsets both Jews and Christians.

As a patriotic American, I do not wish to confirm the very same immoral ideologies that cause persecution and injustice for people throughout the Islamic world and beyond. The verses of the Koran are the root of the evil dogma that fosters this ongoing human tragedy.

This is my heartfelt opinion, and I am happy that our country guarantees the freedom and opportunity to express it without reservation. Thank you for your attention to this message.

Sincerely,

Posted by: donchicago48 at January 21, 2005 2:37 AM

Ugh...I am so sick of Bush's equating all religions as equal when the Constitution states that people can practice their own religion (barring suicide bombers) equally and executing Copt families to name some restrictions. UGH UGH UGH

Who is advising him on this idiotic pacifying ploy that will not work.

UGH UGH UGH

Posted by: Abby at January 21, 2005 2:40 AM

This comment about islam in the Inaugural speech is disturbing and once again illustrates the fact that the politicians just don't get it.

The result of this legitimizing and equating Islam with our Judaeo-Christian identity is the further entrenching and valadiating the idea that Islam is a part of our national character and deserves to be celebrated in an ecumenical fashion DESPITE the fact wre are in a global war against it.

Face it, Bush is celebrating islam as Nostradamus above said, "like no other president before'. he is going much to establish, foster and promote the Islamic myth of tolerance that they will ultimately use to enslave us all. He keeps repeating mantra like lies about islam because he believes that Moslems are like us. THEY ARE NOT, NOR EVER WILL BE.

His view is simplistic, his tactic shameless pandedring and his long term strategy is to make Moslems actually believe that OUR expectations of them is real, that is that they really ARE only satisfied, as all immigrant groups before them, in participating in the pursuit of better lives in a secular society.

THIS IS A FALLACY. ISLAM ACTIVELY SEEKS TO CONQUER, MR. BUSH AND YOUR PEP SPEECH TO THEM DISARMS US AND EMBOLDENS THEM YOU FOOL.

DON"T YOU REALIZE YOU ARE REINFORCING THEIR CLAIM TO AMERICA BY YOUR REFERENCES TO THEM IN YOUR SPEECH, THE IFTAR DINNERS, THE POSTAGE STAMP, THE CONSTANT PROPAGANDA THAT THEIRS IS A RELIGION OF PEACE DESPITE, OUR ENGAGING IN BATTLE WITH THEM AND NEARLY EVERY MAJOR CONFLICT IN THE WORLD INVOLVES MOSLEMS?

You just don't get it and the further you bring America along in an insane mission to bring our vision of civilization globally, the deeper in the muck we will find ourselves. Celebrating Islam is why we are not going to win this battle. You are actually helping them reach their objective by your tunnel vision.

Posted by: Andrew at January 21, 2005 3:48 AM

This comment about Islam in the Inaugural speech is disturbing and once again illustrates the fact that the politicians just don't get it.

The result of this legitimizing and equating Islam with our Judaeo-Christian identity is the further entrenching and valadiating the idea that Islam is a part of our national character and deserves to be celebrated in an ecumenical fashion DESPITE the fact wre are in a global war against it.

Face it, Bush is celebrating Islam as Nostradamus above said, "like no other president before'. he is going much to establish, foster and promote the Islamic myth of tolerance that they will ultimately use to enslave us all. He keeps repeating mantra like lies about islam because he believes that Moslems are like us. THEY ARE NOT, NOR EVER WILL BE.

His view is simplistic, his tactic shameless pandedring and his long term strategy is to make Moslems actually believe that OUR expectations of them is real, that is that they really ARE only satisfied, as all immigrant groups before them, in participating in the pursuit of better lives in a secular society.

THIS IS A FALLACY. ISLAM ACTIVELY SEEKS TO CONQUER, MR. BUSH AND YOUR PEP SPEECH TO THEM DISARMS US AND EMBOLDENS THEM YOU FOOL.

DON"T YOU REALIZE YOU ARE REINFORCING THEIR CLAIM TO AMERICA BY YOUR REFERENCES TO THEM IN YOUR SPEECH, THE IFTAR DINNERS, THE POSTAGE STAMP, THE CONSTANT PROPAGANDA THAT THEIRS IS A RELIGION OF PEACE DESPITE, OUR ENGAGING IN BATTLE WITH THEM AND NEARLY EVERY MAJOR CONFLICT IN THE WORLD INVOLVES MOSLEMS?

You just don't get it and the further you bring America along in an insane mission to bring our vision of civilization globally, the deeper in the muck we will find ourselves. Celebrating Islam is why we are not going to win this battle. You are actually helping them reach their objective by your tunnel vision.

Posted by: Andrew at January 21, 2005 3:49 AM

George W. Bush is not the enemy he is the President Of The United States Of America, Commander In Chief of the meanest leanest group of fighting men and woman in the WORLD.

Every one here knows how he really feels and what he would most probably like to say but cant since he is the Leader of the Free World and everyone watches and waits in anticipation for him to make one bad remark,give someone an odd look,stumble on anything anywhere 24-7-365.

Dont know about you all but I know that 2+2=4,the sky is blue,and that" calling a tail a leg does not a leg make".

****************HAIL TO THE CHIEF*****************

Posted by: Chuck at January 21, 2005 4:58 AM

The fact is Chuck, that he could very well have simply not mentioned the Qur'an at all. placing it on the same level as our historic religious traditional heritage gives them an honor not logically inferred from their contributions to Western civilization (which as far as I can tell invilve slaughter).

As I said, Islam is a religious ideology that is paracitic in nature, they piggy-back cultures and eventually seek supremacy -- NEVER co-existance.

Bush's perpetuation of the ROP mantra and the world wide acqknowledgment that the words of the Qurán are as valid as the 10 commandments or the teachings of Christ is DANGEROUS folly that further legitimized our deadly enemy in the minds of an already confused and rapidly dhimmifying population.

Posted by: Andrew at January 21, 2005 5:16 AM

Its easy for Bush to say that Islam is a religion of peace during the Inauguration since 40 million USD was spent on security to keep the Koranimals at bay. How about for the rest of us who cannot even afford a home security alarm?!

Posted by: markjames at January 21, 2005 6:43 AM

donchicago48:

Great letter!

Andrew:

Why don't you write a letter to the President? (Try to keep it as polite, civil and respectful as donchicago48's above.) You are wonderfully articulate and I know that you would do a superb job. I would suggest adding a few quotes about islam from John Quincy Adams. Also, I would be pleased if you would join our JW e-mail network (your permission required for anyone to obtain your address) by contacting susan_b356@yahoo.com. Please consider it.

JQA quote:

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adam's capital letters)….Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.” [p. 269]"

CGW

Posted by: CGW at January 21, 2005 6:46 AM

Andrew:

Here's an article about JQA and islam:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15201

Posted by: CGW at January 21, 2005 6:59 AM

Oh my goodness!!!

I missed this post yesterday. I'm disgusted.

Like 'The Sermon On The Mount' and The Qur'an are comparable???

Ok, allow me to compare;

(sorry f.g., but to quote an 'Americanism' you'll just have to 'suck this one up' as, afterall, it is perfectly in context with the thread.) :)

Muhammed:
Sura 48:29
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allâh, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves."

Jesus:
Matthew 5:43-47
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?"

Muhammed;
Qur’an 9:5
“When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Jesus;
Matthew 5:39-42
"But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Muhammed
Qur’an 48:19
“He rewarded them with abundant spoils that they will capture. Allah has promised you much booty that you shall take, and He has made this easy for you.”

Jesus
Matthew 6:19-21
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven,...For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

I could go on, but I think we all get the gist.

Regards everyone;

Kc

Posted by: kc England at January 21, 2005 7:53 AM

And! Whilst I'm at it, lets not forget that ever-so useful warning found with in The Sermon On The Mount;

“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them...Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit."
Matthew 7:15-17.

Posted by: kc England at January 21, 2005 7:59 AM

Bush the dhimmi! Bush the dhimmi!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (etc.)

And some of you dare to bring up Carter and Clinton as "bowing" down to Islam? I guess you never heard of the "Iran-Contra" affair, huh?

You shouldn't be surprised. This is the same lip service Dub has been giving his overlords since 9-11. Remember the Muslim preacher spoke FIRST at the 9-11 memorial day at OUR national Cathedral. Not "mosque;" Cathedral.

Dub the Dhim has been talking about how peaceful, tolerant, and respectful Islam every since. Kerry is the one that said he have to rid ourselves from the Saudi Arabian royal family.

LOL..

LOL...

LOL....

Oh, poor conservatives. Maybe now you will wake up and realize that you are being had.

Kentim lies: "Strom wasn't such a bad guy."

Only an ideological fool would dare make such a claim. He was not only a racebaiting bigot, he was also a racemixer. And not only was he a race mixer, he was also a rapist. And not only was he a rapist, he was a child molestor.

Yeah, he wasn't such a bad guy... compared to Mohamed, Hitler, and Idi Amin.

By the way, I don't have a problem with racemixing. But Strom and his ilk did/do. That's why race mixing was ILLEGAL in South Carolina and the other southern red states until the sixties, when Strom's black child was in her forties.

AND he most certainly was a rapist. When he, (ahem) "made love" to his servant, she was helpless to turn him down. This is akin to "making love" to an invalid, someone that can't say "no" and is by law considered rape.

AND he most certainly was a child molestor. The girl in question had Strom's "love" child when she was 16. That means that Strom, at 22, was in fact a child molestor.

AND he was quite unapologetic. He not only never publicly recognized her, EVER; he also trundled her up and moved her to Californy after her mother's "sudden" death. (Hmmmm.)

It was left to the (now 80-something) child herself to come forward and remind us just how upstanding and moral and virtuous a certain group of people are. She offered to give a sample of DNA for proof, but Strom's family declined, i.e., they believed her and don't question her claims. (of course, in twenty years, after she's long dead, they will start saying that there was never any proof.)

AND he most certainly was a racist. Unlike Byrd, who changed when the Democratic party changed, Strom, Helms, etc. couldn't stand to remain in the party of equal rights. And left. Remember Reagan's great quote, "I didn't leave the Democratic party. The Democratic party left me."? Now you see what he meant.

Oh, Byrd is still using a certain word? He said, "There are white niggers too." The intended meaning is obvious to anyone that can think: "Being black doesn't make one a nigger." But I guess its fun to pretend.

Now remember Strom's greatest quote, made on record, on the Senate floor: "Mr. President, there aren't enough guns and bayonnets in the entire United States Army to make us accept the nigger race into our schools, churches, and businesses!"

Ah, Strom. He'd've made a great Muslim. I'm glad he's in the company of so many Muslims now. Perhaps he has converted already. Just picture him down in a red cave. After a long day shoveling coal, he saunters up to the Da'Wa booth with his little brimless hat. With just a thirty-minute break before his daily rape by a tribe of sandspur-penised African centaurs, he tells the other Mobots, "Brothers, I have some good news for you..."

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Posted by: kj at January 21, 2005 9:06 AM

kj:

Did you see my last reply to you on the DW Jan. 11 "Terrorists' Leftist . . ." thread?

If you would, respond here so that I can stop checking back.

CGW

Posted by: CGW at January 21, 2005 9:38 AM

Still no takers

Posted by: shiva at January 21, 2005 9:42 AM

I agree with Chuck and Buck.

There is no question how President Bush feels about Islamists that threaten our nation, our world, and our culture.

At the same time, there are things that you and I can freely say, that someone who is the President of the United States needs to consider consequences.

Bush may come back and regret his reference to the Koran someday in his inaugural address. But apparently he has not given up on every Muslim moderate in America and the world just yet, and he wanted to give them a small drop of hope to use in fighting against Islamist Extremists.

There are a handful of Islamist moderates active in the media and in known to the public in the USA. The most well-known, Irshad Manjii, is a Canadian. But people like Irshad have taken up the position of being a "Muslim Refusenik" and the goal of reforming Islam from within. If you have not read her book "The Trouble with Islam", I would urge you to read it. It is truly inspirational to see a Muslim publicly acknowledge and offer solutions to the current practice of Muslim religion and the Jihadists.

See her site at: http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/

There are an estimated 1,484,710,000 Muslims in the world. Force of arms will not solve a problem if every single one goes to Jihad. If there are people like Irshad, and if she can even reduce this group by 25% to not be an enemy of the United States that would be a huge accomplishment.

I am not making excuses for the Koran, Islam, Islamic Extremists, nor am I equating the teachings with other religions. Any of you who know me should know I will not pull any punches on Islamist Extremist and Jihadists, and I will do anything we need to do to fight them.

But anyone who realizes how long and painful this WORLD WAR is going to be, should also realize that if we have over 1.5 billion enemies dedicated to our destruction, it would make sense to bring some of those enemies over to the side of FREEDOM.

That was President Bush's goal.

It may be naive. It may be impossible. It may be foolhardy. Sure. But if you were commander-in-chief and facing 1.5 billion+ enemies wouldn't you try?

So I suggest the posters keep that in mind while criticizing the President.

Posted by: jeffreyimm at January 21, 2005 10:04 AM

Bar, wearing brown lipstick.....

Really now kj,

My skin tone calls for cooler shades like raspberry, warm shades like brown are just not my thing.

By the way, did you thank Al Gore for me, I just love this invention of his called the internet and say hi to Billiary for me. Will she be running in 2008? Maybe by then you liberals will be over your cranial rectal inversion, the reason for your crappy outlook.

Dear Giaour

I Googled "Carlyle Group Bush Saudi" and found this brilliant statement!

"If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden's alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden's family."

So to believe this Bush-Saudi connection, first I have to believe that Osama bin Laden didn't perpetrate 9/11, Osama's family is making cash off the war, yet they are worth 5 billion, that a sitting American President would let young service men die, just to make a few bucks and keep it from a liberal news media that would report anything about President Bush, Whew.

Im not sure if you both suffer from aphasia because you had a lobotomy or you need a lobotomy? but you both would benefit from a cranial rectal appendectomy.
Either one will cure your acute aphasia!

Posted by: Bar at January 21, 2005 10:46 AM

Racist Democrats

Posted by: Bar at January 21, 2005 11:35 AM

KJ:

Courtesy of a blogger on LibertyWatch:

"'Islam is a religion of peace.' Bush lies."

Care to speculate on the kinds of things John Kerry might have had to say in his inaugural address, had he won. Or his wife and stepson Chris Heinz?

Posted by: waterdragon52 at January 21, 2005 1:21 PM

kj, did your liberal parents stop beating you before or after they tossed you out of their basement?

Off for the weekend, have fun everyone!

Posted by: Gary at January 21, 2005 2:01 PM

If Bush’s speech makes you sick, can you imagine how utterly disgusting Kerry’s speech would have been?

Posted by: John Golt at January 21, 2005 2:57 PM

A Trojan Horse slipped into Bush's speech by a religious speech fanatic that was intended to destroy a naive Bush.

A Trojan horse offered to Islam with the s**t about to hit the fan.

I'll bet on the latter but its so hard to take anymore of this crap of kissing Islam's arse.

Posted by: paulc37 at January 21, 2005 10:43 PM

It seems to me that you are missing the point. Bush said "the truth of Sinia and the Sermon on the Mount", but "the words of the Koran".

Words and truth are not identical.

He threw a bone to the Muslim community here and abroad, especially in Iraq. Remember, the speech took place only ten days before their election.

Posted by: Viking at January 22, 2005 4:37 AM

President Bush has allowed his advisors and speech writers to infringe upon his personal knowledge of New Testament teachings. For Mr. Bush to reference the Qur’an is to give that text credibility. As an adherent to the New Testament, He knows that Christ repeatedly warned about the deceptive influence of false prophets; “for many false prophets shall rise up and deceive many.” (Matthew 24:11) Does the President suppose that Christ would have endorsed any of the Roman “gods” in order to promote a more inclusive syncretistic world order? The message is quite clear Mr. President, and you have read it many times: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6)
Thumper

Posted by: B. Thumper at January 24, 2005 7:40 PM

Hi, im new here. I agree with viking, the President should be given credit for making this crucial distinction. The Torah given to the Prophet Moses is a truth. Even Christians are bounded to believe this. The Koran invented by Muhammed and his associates (or others have said given to him by Satan) does contain some truths in the sense that it says that there is one true God. But as a whole it is a falsehood. Bush, however, cleverly said the "words of the Koran". Well some words say that there is one true God. This is something Islam has in common with Judaism and Christianity. Thus our JudeoChristian society can identify with these words found in the Koran. Let us cut him some slack. He is contanstly being attacked by the left, he does not need to be attacked by the right. He obviously tried to make a good gesture to Muslims by mentioning their "holy" book. This is similar to the Pope kissing the Koran (many Catholics have attacked him for this). Sometimes we do things in order to appear friendly, but rather are interpreted by many as conveying approval. The Pope certainly does not approve of the Koran. But interestingly, after that, many muslims visited Churhes for one reason or another. President Bush, as a Protestant Christian, does not approve of the Koran, but yet recognizes what can be done to draw Muslims and Christians closer together. The Koran does contain words in which the Christian or Jew can agree with, thus Mr. Bush shouldn't be attack of commiting heresy by referring to such words.

Posted by: coolmk20x at January 25, 2005 3:50 PM

I am a Bush supporter, but I am first a Biblical Christian, and as such recognize no other truth but that revealed in the words of Scripture. As an evangelical, President Bush knows that "a little leaven leavens the whole lump." He also has read the words of Paul: "..if any man preaches any other gospel than what you have received, let him be accursed." (Gal. 1:8) The President can show love and respect to Islamic nations without lending credibility to their doctrines. As for the Pope kissing the Qu'ran - consider the source; "for the blind lead the blind, and they both fall in a ditch."

Posted by: B. Thumper at January 26, 2005 12:24 AM