About the news story about the police considering all the angles:
I have seen enough movies to know why the police can't say what is obvious to all of us. Picture Clint Eastwood or Sidney Poitier in the role of the cop, and his tough-as-nails captain leaning into his face saying, "Do you know what you are saying? You'd better be damn sure of your facts." (Leans in closer) "This neighborhood is on the brink, and you want to throw gasoline on the fire?"
The cops will neither confirm nor deny these rumors until they are ready to announce that a suspect is in custody or that someone is wanted in connection with the case.

Posted by: Miss Moneypenney at January 23, 2005 5:43 PM

We are so fortunate having learned friends who alert us and translate for us so we know what our enemies write. Yes, let the true face of Islam show itself and there will be no more PC, no more
Taqqiya & Kitman or Islamic Apologists! First thing is to DEPORT EVERY JIHADI AND HIS FAMILY OUT OF THE COUNTRY. [ This will be 3/4 's of Muslim Population]. Lesson to other Muslims is that they either integrate or emmigrate...There will be no half measures as 'WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP!!That poor murdered family did not die in vain and WE SHALL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Posted by: Morgane at January 23, 2005 5:55 PM

Comments such as those on the Muslim bulletin board only serve to advance the polarization between us and those who commit unspeakable horrors in the name of an idol. Not a peep out of the "moderate" Muslims. But then, they want to keep their heads attached to their bodies.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 23, 2005 6:09 PM

Has there been any follow-up quote from Ahmed Shedeed, director of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, who is on record that "We Muslims living in America are getting sick of this crap, Why should we have to apologize for or make a defense of something we had nothing to do with? There is no proof at all that Muslims had anything to do with this, yet we are taking the blame again. Is Islam on trial, or is a killer on trial?"

The press should now ask him for a clarification of his views.

Posted by: LifeLongStudent at January 23, 2005 6:31 PM

Well Johnny Carson has died (and I am sorry about that) so now that is all that the news channels will talk about. I'm still waiting for the MSM to tell us about this hideous crime without putting the islamic spin on it, you know... how this murder is bad P.R. for islam. They are never sorry for the poor murdered people, it is always how the muslims are perceived.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 23, 2005 6:41 PM

And when jihadists are "found to have something to do with it," there will be the outcry, "This is not Islam," and like taqiyya. Unfortunately there are non-Muslims that go along with the Muslim apologists in that the true Islam is all peace and compassion.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 23, 2005 6:51 PM

And shall we wager that after the murderer is caught and ehm...if (yeah thats it...IF..lol) the murderer turns out to be muslim CAIR steps in and defends the POS by saying he is being railroaded to satisfy the Christians and how "unfairly" the police treated him, the usual blah blah blah when a muslim is caught. I suppose there is a sliver of a chance that a rouge band of bhuddists went in and beheaded this family for no reason(channeling CAIR of course)....but IMO muslims are testing the waters over here to find out 1. how easy it is to get away with that kind of crime and 2. how much they can get away with in the media playing the 'vicitm'. If this is swept under the carpet I think we will see more of the same and with more frequency.

Posted by: USAgirl at January 23, 2005 7:02 PM

I could not get that muslim 'bulletin board' link to load. I would prefer to be able to verify the authenticity of any source on this particular subject before leaping at a response. I think we all suspect that muslims are the culprit, but proof is needed in this case, before we alert the sleeping MSM.

Posted by: Just_Linda at January 23, 2005 7:20 PM

Just_Linda, the article is at Faith Freedom too. Ali Sina arranged for the translation.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 23, 2005 7:26 PM

Suzan posted this link at Dhimmiwatch-

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?=7126

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 23, 2005 7:31 PM

Please tell me that these messages were sent to the proper authorities, and that we're not just talking about it.

Posted by: DCWatson at January 23, 2005 7:32 PM

I left a letter out of the last link-

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7126

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 23, 2005 7:34 PM

DC

There is a lot more to this that I can't publish now.

But be assured: authorities are being notified.

Best
RS

Posted by: jihadwatch at January 23, 2005 7:38 PM

ISLAM SHOULD BE OUTLAWED IN ALL WESTERN DEMOCRACIES IMMEDIATELY:

As this episode in murder and man's inhumanity to man irrefutably proves (once again) ISLAM constitutes BOTH CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER AND CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT GENOCIDE. BOTH ARE CRIMES.

HATE IS ISLAM'S SECRET WEAPON WHICH IT USES LIKE UZIS. BRAINWASHING IS THE TECHINQUE IT USES TO CONVERT LIVING HUMAN BEINGSW INTO KILLER-ZOMBIES AND ISLAM IS PLAINLY A HUMAN SACRIFICE CULT THAT TRACES IT EVOLUTION TO HUMAN SACRIFICE SECTS ONCE PREVALENT THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST.

OUTLAW ISLAM NOW FELLOW AMERICANS. OUTLAW ISLAM NOW...OUTLAW ISLAM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. OUTLAW ISLAM...

Posted by: pythagoras at January 23, 2005 7:41 PM

pythagoras,

You're shouting at the choir. This is Jihad Watch after all. I dare you to post that over
here. Whatever you do, don't innovate.

P.S. I love your theorem.

Posted by: Beagle at January 23, 2005 8:20 PM

re: "Does anyone have any email addresses for some of the nitwits in the white house? we should bombard them with this story.
Posted by: DIXIEHAMMER"

Here is a link to Yahoo's tool for identifying your legistlators and their contact information -

http://www3.capwiz.com/y/dbq/officials/

Posted by: justamomof4 at January 23, 2005 8:42 PM

Beagle and all, I'll do you one better: go to www.forum.jamaat.net for some real argument. There's tons of forums about everything and anything and lots of argument, and the opposition appears to be loaded for gophers, logic-wise. Come on down and get in the fun.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at January 23, 2005 9:03 PM

"The good planting has started to yield thank Allah and soon, Allah willing, an intense Islamic revolution all across America that holds the right and bring down the falsehood that they’ve created."

"Allah, please, bring victory to Muslims on earth east and west oh your almighty and wisdom…amen."

We have to keep out heads and use our cunning to fight this -- together, Jews, Christians, all religions and lovers of freedom. This includes Muslims, if in fact there are any willing to stand across the line of demarcation of this disease known as radical Islam.

They would erase us from the earth and all traces of our history if they could. We have to prevent this or die trying -- for our children and grand children for our collective history. War is Deception? You bet it is.

http://www.shoebat.com/trailer_exodus.php


http://www.katinaproductions.com/rehov/previewhl.html

Posted by: Kemaste at January 23, 2005 9:05 PM

Thanks RS.

I have so little patience in waiting for justice for these poor people, and want these rats captured or killed. Sorry for jumping the gun.

Thanks again.

D.C.

Posted by: DCWatson at January 23, 2005 10:00 PM

As far as I know, no mention of COMPLETE decapitation has been made in press reports.
If this information is confirmed, it may have come from the murderers thamselves.
And yes Morgane, the US should follow what the Germans are planning - deportation of Jihadist Muslims and mullahs who preach death to Americans on american soil.
Perhaps the "human rights" lawyers could join them as well.

Posted by: george at January 23, 2005 10:51 PM

If the funeral was a closed-casket event I would guess the beheadings might have been failed attempts and the damage was beyond fixing to
display the bodies.
Many times the evidence is only meted out in portions to avoid harming the trial or swaying the perception of witnesses,CAIR and their ilk
use the threat of law-suits to silence people by financial terrorism that can bankrupt a business
or individual.

BTW,I saw a mention of another earthquake in indonesia and it was recorded as being a 6.2
and that's pretty serious. Maybe the real God is fed up with the crap from Muslims and they are the ones causing all those murders in his name.
The video of the second Iraqi beheading in the street was horrific,the blade was so dull the "Pride of Islam" had to hack away at the
nape and I noticed the legs were twitching from still being attached to the spinal cord nerve system.
The honking must have been from a Arabic sign reading "Honk if you love jihad".

NO ISLAM - NO EVIL

Posted by: ala-sux at January 24, 2005 12:37 AM

I am sorry to hear about these people dying, and I think it is unfortunate the words "The good planting has started" to yield thank Allah and soon, Allah willing, an intense Islamic revolution all across America.

The infidel ofcourse has had intense success in the 19th & 20th & 21st centuary often for the good of all mankind, and many times to the detriment of regions/specific groups of people.

But as the bulletin board said "Allah, please, bring victory to Muslims on earth east and west"

This has been foretold in the Hadith, Islam will be where the sun rises, shines, and sets. Islam will be where the moon shines ....and where there is no light the shine of Islam will brighten it.

The 22nd centuary *is* about Islam. It is *for* Islam and is the time where the infidel will convert or give way. Islam will rule loosley with democracy as they will be the majority.

Democracy is majority rule and through democracy many sharia laws will come about too...passed through democratic law institutions...the infidel will watch with horror but accept it as due process would heve been followed....but sheer numbers would take the day.

For sure the bullentin needs to tone down but the underlying theme will happen and will be there in the west....the only question where first .....Eurabia 1st or the ISA ?

Posted by: Naseem at January 24, 2005 4:55 AM

There would appear to be similarities between the murders and the 'kill the unbelievers, smite them on their necks' verse in the koran.

It seems to me that there may also be a connection between the disfigurement of the elder daughter's face and 047.004, Surah of the Women, where allahmo enjoys yet another rant against the Jews and Christians:

004.047
YUSUFALI: O ye People of the Book! believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be carried out.
PICKTHAL: O ye unto whom the Scripture hath been given! Believe in what We have revealed confirming that which ye possess, before We destroy countenances so as to confound them, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers (of old time). The commandment of Allah is always executed.
SHAKIR: O you who have been given the Book! believe that which We have revealed, verifying what you have, before We alter faces then turn them on their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violaters of the Sabbath, and the command of Allah shall be executed.

Other translations I have come across:

'before we obliterate your faces and turn them backwards'
'before we efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose mouth, eyes etc) and turn them hindwards'
'ere we deface your faces and turn them into hinder parts'.

Having said that, 2 other translations read as follows:
'lest we efface your hopes and bring them to an end'
'before certain faces are changed and turned back'
'before we destroy some of your leaders and turn them on their backs'.

Is this too fanciful? Any thoughts on this?

Any profiler will observe you that facial disfigurement is a real up-close-and-personal crime, showing intense personal hatred for the victim, wanting to obliterate them completely.

Posted by: Silvester at January 24, 2005 5:42 AM

'The 22nd centuary *is* about Islam. It is *for* Islam and is the time where the infidel will convert or give way. Islam will rule loosley with democracy as they will be the majority'~

The 22nd century is 95 years from now, Naseem. By that time, both islam and leftist thinking (as it has currently devolved to, not the Original liberal thought, which today's Leftists have badly degraded) will have seriously bitten the dust. We're here to make sure of that.

Posted by: Gary at January 24, 2005 8:29 AM

For sure the bullentin needs to tone down but the underlying theme will happen and will be there in the west....the only question where first .....Eurabia 1st or the ISA ?

Posted by: Naseem

Remember everyone, don't feed the trolls....

"Your grandchildren will be troll hunters”

Posted by: Sheik Canuck (swt) at January 24, 2005 8:57 AM

Naseem,
You have no right to call us infidels. It is the same as me calling a black man a nigger, it's derogatory. If blacks want to call each other nigger then thats okay, but whites don't.... the same goes for non-muslims calling each other infidels, but we don't want filthy muslim scum calling us infidels .

NOTE: Read the above with a hint of irony!!!

Posted by: Rikki at January 24, 2005 9:30 AM

Rikki says:

It is the same as me calling a black man a nigger, it's derogatory. If blacks want to call each other nigger then thats okay, but whites don't....

Rikki is right Naseem, calling us infidels is like calling you raging Islamists, baby rapers sand niggers -- meaning the lowest of the low. Kind of similar to a what you say in your language, a sharmoota.

Be respectful of us. Remember, it is our faiths, our societies past and present that you envy so (remember the Jews, Assyrians, Persians, Berbers?) and are trying to co-opt by deception and bloodshed.

We're looking forward to dulling the warped, jaundiced shine from Islam's gleaming death head.

BRING IT ON!

Posted by: Kemaste at January 24, 2005 11:01 AM

This story is so tragic. May the animals that killed them be brought to justice.

Posted by: former liberal WF at January 24, 2005 11:26 AM

Dear Mr. Spencer:

While you're alerting the authorities, could you also alert them to some of the trollsters here who need to be watched....

Posted by: jawa at January 24, 2005 1:59 PM

Religion of Peace, at it again! When this case breaks open wait for the inevitable stories like, "We are sorry this happened because it will just feed stereotypes, which is far worse than the people murdered."

Posted by: Jakester at January 24, 2005 3:15 PM

Dictionary.com defines infidel:

infidel

n : a person who does not acknowledge your God

I take it as a compliment when a muslim calls me an infidel...because I definatly DO NO acknowledge their 'god' and I give no relevance (other than being a pedophile rapist criminal) to their self proclaimed 'prophet'...so yeah that makes me an infidel...and thankful I was not born into such a cult.

Posted by: USAgirl at January 24, 2005 4:26 PM

More on the Sheriff:

Ya gotta love this guy. For what it's worth, I checked out the story on snopes.com and it checks out true. ~T

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) is doing it RIGHT!!:

• He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.
• He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails.
• Took away their weights.
• Cut off all but "G" movies.
• He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects. Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.
• He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only let in the Disney channel and the weather channel. When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.
• He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them.....this is a good one......"This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."
• He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.
You have to love this guy!!

• With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts. On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before. Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks. "It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for 1 1/2 years. "It's inhumane." Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat green bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates:

"It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes . . . so shut your damned mouths."

KIND OF PUTS THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE DOESN'T IT?

We can do this with the illegal’s who come in this country no need to release them into America to wait for hearings!!! CONGRESS MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH,WISDOM,SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR EVIL AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at January 24, 2005 4:28 PM

WHY WOULD THE MULSUMS SAY THAT THEY HAD CUT THE HEADS OF OF THESE WONDERFUL PEOPLE AND BE HAPPY ABOUT THIS??

THE REPORT SAID THAT THEIR THROATS HAD BEEN CUT??

SO THE MULSUMS GIVE THERE HAND I BET THEY TOOK PICTURES THE MULSUMS LIKE TO DO THAT TO SHOW OFF WHAT THEY DID??

COULD THEY HAVE SENT THESE PICTURES TO THESE MONSTERS WHO SUPPORT THEM??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at January 24, 2005 4:33 PM

Yes, Virginia, There is a Satan

I am 8 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Satan. Papa says, "If you see it in The jihadwatch, it's so." Please tell me the truth, is there a Satan?
All the little Virginia's of the World

Virginia, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the optimism of a false sence of security in a modern age. They do not believe except what they are told. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, Virginia's, there is a Satan.

He exists as certainly as hate and opportunity and greed exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life it's worst horrors imaginable. Alas! how wonderful would be the world if there were no Satan! It would be as wonderful as if there were no poverty or hunger or sickness. There would be childlike faith again, new poetry, new romance to make the memory of these intolerable crimes disappear, We should have a renewed enjoyment, with new peace and new insight. The external light with which childhood fills the world would be forever Eternal.

Yes, Virginia's, There is a Satan

Not believe in Satan! You might as well not believe in terrorism . You might get your President to hire men to watch all the Country at Airports and Sea Ports to catch Satan, but even if you did not see Satan coming to our homeland, what would that prove? We don't always see Satan, but that is no sign that there is no Satan. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men want to or care to see. Did you ever see sorrow for innocent victims in the eyes of an american soldier? fighting for freedom for people of another country? Of course, but that does not stop terrorism, Nobody can conceive or imagine all the horrors these men see in an ungrateful war.

You tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a faith covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived could tear apart. Only commitment, bravery, love of their families, and courage, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory of Freedom. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia's, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

No Satan? Thank God for the men and women who risk their lives so that you can live in freedom. A thousand years from now, Virginia's, nay 10 times 10,000 years from now, Freedom will continue to make this world a better place for all people, and live in the the hearts of Nations.


(this revision of a famous artical no way refects the view's of the Sun Newspaper in its content or opinion)

Posted by: msbelindam at January 25, 2005 12:24 AM