Al Muhajiroun, Britain's largest Muslim group.

that says it all.

Posted by: rb at January 25, 2005 8:40 AM

This is the kind of article that reflects a greater awareness of the militancy that is rearing its ugly "anti everybody" but muslims head across Europe, or at least in title.

EU countries have to think long and hard about allowing a country like Turkey in to the EU, thus allowing for a flood of Muslims to spread across Europe and try and import their fascist and totalitarian ideology without impunity in the middle of these free societies.

The call to the 6th duty of muslims is alive and well, and the call to tenants like the Qurans sura 9.29 and Hadith 2: 483 as well.

Posted by: Mackie at January 25, 2005 10:02 AM

Can I ask just one single question?

Why is this guy still breathing?

I mean.. can't he 'accidentally' have wiped his arse a bit too hard with those metal hooks he's got for hands that were blown off during a bomb-making mishap and found bled to death in a locked bathroom stall somewhere? Stranger things have happened... just ask the Clintons.

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at January 25, 2005 11:41 AM

Gee,just when it looked as if the moderate Muslims wanted Islam to be purged of those "Bad" Muslims that are ruining it for the peaceful image of their faith,Islam online post a article
about Islamists being booted from Germany and actually uses the word "Isamophobia" to defend these poor victims that embrace Jihad for Allah.

Here's the link

http://islamonline.org/English/News/2005-01/23/article02.shtml

Muslims have had over three years since the 9/11 attack to take a adamant stance on rejecting
violence from Islamists and show some type of loyalty to Canada and the USA.
The paranoia and denial must be bred into them and any attempt by others to challenge their version of reality results in a defensive tirade
which includes the word "Racism" or Muslim-basher.

Posted by: ala-sux at January 25, 2005 4:43 PM

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajja

*LOL*

Good one there. esp the a*s wiping part

Posted by: voletti at January 25, 2005 6:50 PM

Are not Muslims commiting shirk? I have been talking about this issue in the Muslim community for several years now and have not heard one satisfactory explanation as to why something that looks very much like shirk to me continues unquestioned and unabated. Shirk is association of anything with Allah. In other words we are supposed to be very clear about what we mean when we explain Allah and not mix that concept with other ideas. The reason for this is simple to understand. To do so would cause confusion which leads to misunderstandings, then disagreements, bad feelings, breakdown of communication, fighting and eventually war. That is why all sins can be forgiven except shirk. Prophet Muhammed said shirk is the one sin that will never be forgiven. Muslims know this. They are also aware of the consequences of commiting shirk. Yet no one in the Muslim community seems able to climb down off their self-righteous high horse long enough to look at what we are collectively doing - the confusion and resulting mess we are creating.

Both in Quran and Hadith there is instruction given to talk of Allah in terms of the attributes, and in the Hadith in particular we are advised not to translate the name of Allah. The point is to avoid confusion. People talking about the unseen use metaphors because we can't point to it like we can something physical. Different religions use different metaphors. When we are warned strongly against commiting shirk we are being warned not to mix metaphors, not to create confusion in an area people feel very strongly about. Yet that is exactly what we are doing, then sitting back and blaming others for all the resulting ill-will.

We don't believe Allah is God The Father, we don't believe He has a son, and we don't equate Him with the Holy Spirit, we want nothing to do with the Trinity, yet we say Muslims and Christians believe (using present tense mind you) in the same God. If Christians do somehow get attracted to and invloved in the Muslim community they are then told the Christians have changed everything, they have garbaged their own religion, and their religious leaders are telling them lies; Islam is the only true religion. Who is lying? When Christians put the before and after together they can come to only one of two conclusions. Either we are lying to them or we know nothing of their religion nor our own.

All Muslims learn Sura Ikhlas (Sincerity), and in that Sura Allah is explained clearly as being One. Not one God, but One with no word after the word One. All the Prophets are trying to tell us about the connectedness of the universe, how we all affect each other whether we are aware of it or not, about cause and effect. They are talking about peace and how to achieve it by not dividing into clubs, groups, cliques, and tribes. Create "the other" and down the road there is bound to be a collective fight which causes more lasting damage than the perpetual sibling rivalry kind of fighting.

Every religion has the concept of oneness, unity, connectedness, it is only that they have different ways of getting there and use different metaphors to explain it. We get distracted and thrown off base by the use of the pronouns "they, them, their" in the scriptures and are tempted to use these pronouns when referring to people whose faith appears different from our own. The pronoun "they" in the scriptures is used to refer to the people who work to divide the world into "us" and "them," or, in our case, Muslim and non-Muslim. A muslim (Arabic has no upper case letters) in the Prophet's day was simply someone who did not make these divisions.

According to the Muslim community, the Prophet himself said the Muslims believe in the same God as the Christians. He could not have said this - he spoke neither English nor German. The underlying message in all the religions of oneness, unity, and connectedness is the same and he could have been referring to that. However, he made it very clear that the metaphors he used when talking of the Source of all creation are different. For example, he told his followeres not to refer to Allah as The Father and not to refer to himself as The Father. Then he went on to advise them to say the phrase Bismillah hir rahman nir rahim (In the name of Allah the Merciful, The Compassionate) whenever they are beginning something, as a constant reminder of the metaphor he WAS using. Rahman and Rahim both have the same root in Arabic - womb or uterus. The womb or uterus is associated with the idea of the mother.

Muslims obviously do not wish to make this association, and in their effort to avoid it they end up commiting shirk. Then, when all the consequences of commiting shirk start to plague them, they blame others for the fall - out. It's all the fault of the kuffar, Christians, Jews, the non-practicing Muslims and so on. But none of these people are commiting shirk. The only people associating Allah with something other than what the Prophet was speaking of are the Muslims and a few people who are mindlessly aping them. When we are misquoting and misrepresenting the Prophet like this no amount of worship, charity, abstinence, piety, praise of the Prophet and professing faith in Allah is going to help make things better, because there is no sin worse than shirk. Everyone, including the kuffar we are endlessly putting down and trying to avoid, is better than we are. Through carelessness born out of arrogance we have succeeded in making ourselves the "they" so often chastised throughout the Quran.

We are commiting shirk not only when we associate Allah with the Christian or Jewish concept of God, but also the Muslim God. Prophet Muhammed was not talking about a God, that is why he destroyed ALL the gods housed in Kabah. He was in a society that had become overly tribalistic and divisive and he was focusing on the idea of oneness, unity. Then, one may ask, who is speaking in the Quran? Does Unity have a voice? Does Truth speak? What about Justice, Democracy, Liberty, Peace, or even Common Sense? I have always heard their voices. Common Sense says wash your hands before you eat, Peace and Liberty say to treat others as you would have them treat you. Justice and Democracy never stop talking, and Truth says love and caring are all that really matter in the end. The voice of Unity says don't be too tribalistic because there is only war in that; try to think outside the tribe. When we start fighting over who's God is the true God we cannot hear these voices and our communites begin to fall apart, leaving us in situations where there is no peace at all.

Mariam

Posted by: mariam at January 25, 2005 6:55 PM

AS regards the Iraqi resistance and election.

What I find abominable is the utter lack of facts in our own press about the situation.

Fact is that the Kurds and the Shi'a not only supported the initial invasion, but the Kurds and the Shi'a support and want the election.

It is only the Sunnis that oppose the election, and it is the Sunnnis who are the source of the "resistance", the suicide bombings, the beheadings and kidnappings, the targeted assassinations, and if one happens to watch the Arab Media, in English language, on for instance Mosaic. (World Link TV).
One quickly gets that picture.

(Arab TV and reporters think they are producing sympathetic propaganda, but their hyperbole, emotionalism and overstatement are so apparent and transparent that, at least for me, it has had the opposite effect}

The Sunnis were the backbone of Saddams Mukhbarat, Republican Guard and Army comand, it was Sunni triggers, more specifically Tikriti's and allied tribes that pulled the triggers that filled the mass graves of Al Hilah with Shi'a bodies and of Mosul and Erbil with Kurdish bodies.

It is the Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars who have issued a fatwa to boycott the election, and it is Shi'a religious authorities who have issued a fatwa that "every vote counts".

And it is Shi'a who are the victims of Sunni assassinations and suicide attacks. The Shi'a are trying to downplay and keep a lid on the sectarian violence against them.

Ayatollah Khameini of Iran recently blamed Israel and Americans in a speech (broadcast on Al Alam), for the violence, claiming that they want to derail the elections, which runs counter to evidence, but in the same broadcast, the violence in Mosul was blamed on "insurgents' (tranlsated Sunni's).

The Sunnis of course comprise the Ba'athists (Saddams henchmen) and the Wahhabiyyah Jihadi's.

There is already a sectarian civil war afoot in Iraq, yet our media (who does the bidding of the administration) is silent. I wonder why.

The "Mehdi Army" of Mogtada al Sadr, was put back in it's box after al Sadr won a seat at the table.

Al Sadr has no religous credentials his only claim to fame is being the son of Ayatollah Muhammad Sadiq al Sadr, a rabble rousing Shi'a cleric, who was assaassinated in an ambush (ostensibly by Saddam's orders).

The black turban he wears says that he is a Sayyid, a descendant of Muhammad, there are so many Sayyids in Iraq and Iran that the term has become synonamous with Mister,

Meanwhile as I posted elsewheres, from all appearances it seems that the government of Iraq is being handed over to the Shi'a, surely Alawi and Chalabi want a secular Shi'a regime, but I think that possibility is beyond their control.

The Chief Shi'a religious organization in Iraq is SCIRI (Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq) and from all apparent signs and support, it seems that the neo cons and this administration have chosen them as the preferred customer for governing Iraq.

Probably because Shi'a Islam, unlike Sunni Islam is highly centralized and thus authoritarian, and has proven in Iran to be able to ruthlessly and effectively govern and control an otherwise unhappy and unruly population. Which is what is needed if Iraq is going to be able to enter into business deals, contracts, repay loans and the reparations payments that Saddam incurred to Kuwait (which have been sold at pennies on the dollar to the Carlyle Group, a group whose investors and officers include George H W Bush and the Saudis).

We wasted our childrens blood and the prosperity of ourselves and children,for what? To create Islamic Republics in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Posted by: Giaour at January 25, 2005 8:00 PM

Mahdi Al-Dajjal: the one with hooks for hands is Abu Hamza al-Masti, not Omar Bakri Mohammed. Abu Hamza is in Belmarsh jail now, and rumor has it that he is not allowed to wipe his own ass for fear of any unfortunate accidents.

Here is a link to an article in Mirror:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14385572&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=hamza-gets--30-000-nurse---to-wipe-his-bum-name_page.html

Posted by: Vera at January 26, 2005 6:13 AM

"He struck a similarly defiant tone this month at a rally attended by 500 people at a central London meeting hall, where a giant screen behind him showed images of the World Trade Center falling. "Allah akbar!" - "God is great" - some audience members shouted at the images."

The above paragraph scares the hell out of me. Outrage? Yes. But mostly fear. I can honestly now say that I feel total fear of these people.

Posted by: Maple_Leaf_Forever at January 26, 2005 11:27 AM

To Maple_Leaf_Forever:

Total fear?

On your feet soldier! And stand up straight! Stomach in.. chest out. And stop your crying! Wipe those tears.. NOW! Stand at attention.

You listen up SOLDIER! These sub-humans hide behind women and hold up children as human shields to protect themselves in battle. They strap bombs to their own children for heaven's sake! They decapitate innocent civilians and kill our wounded. When the going gets tough they either beg for an immediate ceasefire or surrendered in droves. When they give themselves up, they drop to their knees and kiss the backs of our hands and the tops of our boots. When we interrogate them they squeal like stuck pigs and give up everybody and everything they ever knew!

Show them no fear as they gain strength from your trepidation. NEVER FORGET THAT! YOU HEAR ME? These sub-humans are less than cowards. They have no honor! And they will share NOT in the glory of victory but in the hopelessness of despair that accompanies the humility of defeat.

Now wipe your nose and get back to your post! DOUBLE-TIME!

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at January 26, 2005 5:39 PM