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Noting that Muslims who attend Saudi-funded mosques are advised not to become naturalized citizens of the U.S., Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald has uncovered another nugget of wisdom from South African Mufti Ebrahim Desai, the Answer Man who advocates offensive jihad against non-Muslim countries:
Wahhabi Muslims may be commanded not to become naturalized citizens, but to study in the Infidel lands only in order to acquire the tools with which to fight Infidels later. There is also another approach, which is to become a “naturalized citizen” of the United States, or of other Infidel countries. Indeed, many Muslims wonder about whether taking an oath of allegiance to an Infidel nation-state is permissible. On Islamic websites various experts offer answers to this question. They do not differ in the slightest from the answer offered here by the Mufti (expert in law) Ebrahim Desai, of Capetown, South Africa.Here is the question he was asked:
To become a citizen of US one has to take an oath of allegiance. is it ok to take the oath. The oath of allegiance is as follows: I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.They also ask on the citizenship form the following questions: If the law requires it, are you willing to bear arms on behalf of US? If the law requires it, are you willing to perform noncombatant service in the US Armed Forces? If the law requires it, are you willing to perform work of national importance under civilian direction? My question is can we answer yes to these questions? is there anything wrong in doing that. what should the answer be: yes or no? could you please kindly give an urgent answer. jazakallah.
And here is Mufti Ebrahim Desai’s response:
Answer 8471 2003-04-25 As Muslims, we are duty bound to follow our lives strictly according to Shari’ah. Whatever Shari’ah allows us to do, we will abide by that and whatever Shari’ah has restricted us from, we will refrain from it. Hence, we are not allowed to obey anybody if it is resulting in the disobedience of the Creator, Allah. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘There is no obedience for the creation by disobeying the Creator.’ (Mirqaat vol.7 pg217; Imdadiyyah).Hence, keeping this in mind if one is forced to sign the above in order to become a citizen or the only way of attaining citizenship is by acknowledging the above, then one may sign it with the intention that Shari’ah and Deen will always be his yardstick and that he will never sacrifice any of the teachings of Deen.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
To sum up: Wahhabis are encouraged to go to the West, and conduct Da'wa where possible among Infidels, and also to exploit whatever they manage to learn later on, the better to fight the Infidels. But they should not become "naturalized citizens."
Non-Wahhabis, on the other hand, may become "naturalized citizens" as long as they keep in mind that "if one is forced to sign the above [oath of allegiance] in order to become a citizen or the only way of attaining citizenship is by acknowledging the above [the oath of allegiance] then one may sign it with the intention [i.e. "mental reservation" or "kitman"] that Shariah and Deen [the religion]will always be his yardstick and that he will never sacrifice any of the teachings of Deen."
And to think I was worried there for a minute.
Posted by Robert at January 29, 2005 8:26 AM
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Aha!! No problemo. Just more blueprints to take over infidel countries from the inside out.
How much linger will the blinders be on those folks who wear such and turn a blind eye? Should we just go ahead with reconstructing another auschwitz right outside D.C.? Oy!!
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at January 29, 2005 10:55 AM
Can we pls have the CIA steal Osama's identity and have a Bin Laden call to all the faithful in faithless lands to leave..... Now, that would eb getting somewhere.
Posted by: voletti at January 29, 2005 11:23 AM
Hopefully, Britney Spears and company will be so irresistible to their young children that we corrupt a large majority of these Moslem imperialist occupiers with the evil ideas of freedom and liberty.
Posted by: Bar at January 29, 2005 11:28 AM
Here's how the Muslim takes the oath of allegiance as follows:
I hereby "declare", on "oath", that I absolutely and entirely "renounce" and "abjure" all "allegiance" and "fidelity" to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a "subject" or "citizen"; that I will "support" and "defend" the "Constitution" and "laws" of the United States of America against all "enemies", "foreign" and "domestic"; that I will bear "true" faith and "allegiance" to the same; that I will bear arms on "behalf" of the United States when required by the "law"; that I will "perform" noncombatant "service" in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the "law"; that I will perform "work" of "national" importance under "civilian" direction when required by the "law"; and that I take this obligation "freely", without any mental "reservation" or "purpose" of evasion; so help me "God".
at January 29, 2005 12:07 PM
...have been out of touch for a long time.
been places; done things; met folks, so to speak.
I have to admire the person who asked the question in the first place -- at least he/she contemplated the prospect of taking the oath and actually upholding the damn thing.
Compare that, to everyone from bushy boy - to congress - to the courts who actually take the oath with no attention of ever upholding so much as a single word -- except for the occasional photo-op.
...enough said.
Meanwhile, lots of us ARE doing what must do, without hesitation, without notice, and without duplicity for political expedience.
...duty calls, so I'll be out of touch for a while, but I'll be watching...
see ya.
Posted by: witness at January 29, 2005 12:20 PM
Our outcome will certainly be interesting. As long as there is a muslim, there will be an infidel. Check history. It has always been this way. Islamic terrorism is tyranny. Islamic terrorists are reducing their own numbers by blowing themselves up. Such idealogy is self destruction. In the end, Islam will fail, just as the Nazis and Japan did in World War Two.
Posted by: flameon1 at January 29, 2005 12:55 PM
Meanwhile, lots of us ARE doing what must do, without hesitation, without notice, and without duplicity for political expedience.
...duty calls, so I'll be out of touch for a while, but I'll be watching...
see ya.
Posted by: witness
BE SAFE PAL, AND THANKS FOR MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
Someone should ask someone; then why do they come here?
Posted by: Chuck at January 29, 2005 1:34 PM
Bar:Hopefully, Britney Spears and company will be so irresistible to their young children that we corrupt a large majority of these Moslem imperialist occupiers with the evil ideas of freedom and liberty.
I used to think that the freedom of the West will eventually lead muslims away from islam. I do not believe this anymore.
Islam recognises that the strictures of islam are far too difficult to be followed rigorously by the ordinary muslim. Thus it allows muslims to evade most of these strictures, without falling foul of loss of paradise. It is here that the oft quoted dictum by muslim apologists, "There is no compulsion in religion", is applicable. It is NOT applicable to the kaffir, where force is allowed. Thus muslims can go ahead and enjoy life and appear thoroughly modernised and Westernised. This gives an impression to the casual Western observer, of the existence of "moderate" and integrated muslims.
All such license is allowed to muslims and not lose paradise, but what is not allowed, is to oppose in any way, by word or deed, the true jihadi believer in the jihad. If he does so, then he opposes the word of allah, and that is not forgivable. For him then, it is the eternal fires of the islamic hell.
It is for this reason that we will never get much help from moderate muslims to counter the islamist platform, or help in exposing the jihadis in their midst, or any significant movement from moderate muslims to reform islam. We will though get plenty of Taqqiya as practised by Irshad Manji, and others such as Schwartz.
Robert Spencer has on many occasions pointed out that moderates are unable to counter the islamists, as the islamists have the written texts of the koran on their side. That is indeed so, but it is not just an intellectual position, or the fear of being murdered by islamists. What is of greater fear for believing individual muslims, is that if they opposed the islamists, they will be opposing allah, and thus be consigned to the fires of hell forever.
at January 29, 2005 2:09 PM
most of the comments here appear to be due to sheer ignorance. seems like you guys have no clue as to what islam is or what it teaches. you keep judging it by what some of its followers do. if you are for real, then go and find proof from the Quran to tackle all these 'islamists'. Its ironic how noone looks at the US trying to force their way of governing on other countries, i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan, yet everyone complains about Muslims trying to 'covert infidels'. First look at Christian missionaries trying to covert people in third world countries, then criticize others.
Posted by: attitude at January 29, 2005 3:34 PM
ATTITUDE
On the contrary, many JW Watchers know Qur'an and Hadiths very well. However, we invite you to refute Mufti Desai with quotations from the Qur'an which you claim to know better than we do..
at January 29, 2005 3:56 PM
Attitude-
You must be new to this board and obviously haven't taken the time to read the archives. To accuse those who post here of "ignorance" concerning Islam is to admit that we've already troubled you on some level.
Stick around!
Posted by: kafira at January 29, 2005 3:58 PM
If you would have asked me three years ago what a hadith was I would have responded an ex-wife cause I hadith her.
Today that is true.....in islam a hadith is a body of laws, legends, and stories about muhammads way of life.....and that the sunni and shiite accept different hadith collections as genuine.......nor did I know that the paradise mentioned by muslims was actually created in the allory mountains where the castle of alamut once stood; ashishins were drugged and placed in gardens where their every whim was granted upon waking up they were told this is paradise.
No Sir, I did not know a thing about islam 3 years ago
Posted by: Chuck at January 29, 2005 7:52 PM
"attitude" said:
"US trying to force their way of governing"
- SURE, that's what we're doing "governing".
"Christian missionaries trying to covert people"
- SURE. Missionaries hold guns to people heads...
To "attitude":
First go live in a fully Islamic country, say, IRAN, for 5 years, then come back and post here.
P.S. You have no clue.
P.S.S. Stop the appeacement
at January 29, 2005 10:42 PM
Folks, ATTITUDE is just ignorant about islam, as are so many muslims. Blind ignorance is the trouble.
ATTITUDE: Dont you think it would be far more useful for you to preach on peace and tolerance where it is required most - among the muslim community, to the clerics who call for the jihad, and the slaying of Jews and infidels, using the koran as their guiding text.
Posted by: DP111 at January 30, 2005 3:28 PM
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