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An explosive New York Sun article reprinted at the Counterterrorism blog. As you can see, I was consulted on this story, and I will be posting more about it momentarily:
A radical Islamic Web site systematically tracks Christians on PalTalk.com, an Internet chat service on which a New Jersey man received a death threat two months before he and his family were murdered. The password protected Arabic Web site, at the address www.barsomyat.com, features pictures and information about Christians who have been particularly active in debating Muslims on PalTalk.One page from barsomyat.com features a group of photographs of a Syrian Christian, "Joseph," who now lives in Canada. Barsomyat.com's users have posted personal information about Joseph, including his brother's parole status, and make clear that they are actively trying to track down his current address.
Subscribers also post explicit warnings to Joseph. One comment states, "Know, oh Christian, that you are not far from us and you are under our watchful eyes!" Another user remarks, "Laugh, oh Chrisitan, and soon you will see a big hit."
Ahmed Paul, an Egyptian Christian and a theology student in America, said he believes Joseph was targeted because he frequently engaged in debates with Muslims on PalTalk. The Internet chat service attracts up to 3 million users a month, and subjects range from movies to music to religion to adult topics -- and some Arabic-speaking users of PalTalk have reported that contentious debates between Christians and Muslims are common in certain chat rooms.
Hossam Armanious, a Coptic Christian from Jersey City, N.J., who was found murdered earlier this month, frequently debated with Muslims on PalTalk. Two months before Armanious's murder, authorities said he received a death threat from a Muslim PalTalk user: "You'd better stop this bull ... or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you." On January 14, Armanious and his family -- including two daughters, ages 15 and 8 -- were found killed in their Jersey City home, bound and gagged with their throats slashed.
Authorities have not determined whehter Islamic extremists are to blame for the Armanious family's murder, nor is there any apparent link between the murder and barsomyat.com's tracking of Christians on PalTalk. However, many barsomyat.com users expressed jubilation at the deaths.
One user posted a photograph of Hossam Armanious and wrote, "This is a picture of the filthy dog, curser of Muhammad, and a photo of his filthy wife, curser of Muhammad. They got what they deserved for their actions in America."
In all, about 40 different discussion threads on barsomyat.com berate the Christians of PalTalk, and there are at least seven collections of photographs of PalTalk Christians. The barsomyat.com discussion threads seem to focus on Arabic-speaking Christians rather than those who speak English.
Barsomyat.com features not only photographs of the targeted Christians, but also attempts to track down their addresses. A post about a Christian man whose computer was apparently hacked to obtain his photograph includes the man's PalTalk name, his real name, and the city where he resides in Lebanon.
Another barsomyat.com entry outlines the relations (both blood and marital) between four Christians who are apparently PalTalk users, posts photographs of them, and then states, "We have postponed publishing this information because there is a lot more to be revealed when the time is right."
Even barsomyat.com's banner displays its hatred of Christians. The banner displays a crucifix crossed out by a violent red "X," and the main heading reads in Arabic, "Christians: Revealing the Truth Behind Our Belief."
Judging by the posts, almost all of barsomyat.com's users are Middle Eastern, and they are predominantly Egyptian. Mr. Paul said that's significant because the extremists on barsomyat.com live in societies where people simply do not challenge Islam and would never dream of insulting Prophet Muhammad.
Mr. Paul, who is an Islamic convert to Christianity, said when Islamic radicals from such societies participate in Internet debates with Christians who live in societies that promote free speech, they are often shocked by the Christians' arguments and view their debating opponents as blasphemers. And in the eyes of Islamic extremists, blasphemers are worhty of death.
Author Robert Spencer, who has been following the Armanious case for his Web site Jihad Watch, described barsomyat.com as "extremely important" after it was shown to him.
"I have never seen anything like this before," Mr. Spencer said. "It's chilling to see photographs of people who probably have no idea that they're on the Web site. Hamas's Web site would post self-congratulatory accounts of their attacks on civilians, but barsomyat.com's users are telegraphiing their intended victims in advance."
Mr. Spencer added that barsomyat.com is a "prime example" of how some Islamic extremists can utilize technology to attempt to bring Islamic religious law to the West.
"We saw in the Theo van Gogh murders that some Muslims will take these kinds of matters into their own hands," Mr. Spencer said. "The Internet makes it easier for them to do so by disseminating this kind of information. You could imagine 15 years ago how hard it would be for people to get this much information on people who they believe should be killed."
Barsomyat.com is registered to Viza-Web Inc., a Web hosting company based in Woodbury, Minn.
Posted by Robert at January 31, 2005 11:14 AM
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Is there a way to contact the web host to get the site shut down? Obviously this is a violation of privacy....Perhaps they don't know this is happening?
Posted by: Kemaste![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at January 31, 2005 11:41 AM
CONTACT VISA WEB, INC. AT:
hosting@vizaweb.com
Be polite - assume they are unaware of what is going on at Barsomyat.com and are willing to address this matter.
CONTACT THE FBI:
FBI Minneapolis
Suite 1100
111 Washington Avenue, South
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55401-2176
minneapolis.fbi.gov
(612) 376-3200
at January 31, 2005 12:19 PM
SAMPLE LETTER (please feel free to copy and send):
Dear Viza Web -
I have been informed that a website you are hosting, www.barsomyat.com, is engageing in incitement to violence.
For further information, there are three posts at www.jihadwatch.org regarding what is going on at that website (including translations from the Arabic):
"Muslims at hate website celebrate murders of the Armanious family"
"Muslim hate and murder site banner: sheep getting throat slit"
"Christians on PalTalk Chat Service Tracked by Radical Islamic Web Site"
More information is available in an article in the New York Sun posted at 'The Counterterrorism Blog':
http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2005/01/christians_on_p.html
I encourage you to investigate this matter and discontinue hosting this site.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
at January 31, 2005 12:47 PM
Internet Haganah is on it, so results will follow shortly.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 31, 2005 12:49 PM
The site's toast, folks. Ain't there no more.
Posted by: Al Haganah at January 31, 2005 12:53 PM
Fantastic!
Posted by: Mike at January 31, 2005 12:54 PM
Thank you for all you do Aaron.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 31, 2005 1:09 PM
Yep...I just tried too and it immediately comes as 'not found.'
Posted by: Kitt at January 31, 2005 1:12 PM
Hi,
I was just reading the story now and I got so annoyed that I couldn't even finish reading it. These fools are just too stupid, killing for their devil Moham-MAD they have all taken to the last part of the name i.e., the Madness part.
If they are interested in killing let them come to africa and kill christian (in southern Nigerian) and they will see what it means to die a hot death.
If these guys aren't stopped, they will think they are just too powerful and will keep on killing innocent christians.
If the police want clue they should arrest all muslims in these dead man's area, by the time they give them the right punishment that's due to them they will confess.
Please New jersey police ARREST ALL MUSLIMS IN THESE AREAS I PERSONALLY and STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL KNOW THE GUY(S) THAT KILLED THIS INNOCENT MAN. At least the islamic guy would have attended their mosque one time or the other.
Written by,
Ayatollah Dase(SWT).
at January 31, 2005 3:24 PM
That website was a rich source of information and it should have been kept up and running,but closely monitorized.
Now,that it is closed,the muslim extremists will find another website,unknown to the authorities and they will continue their hunt for "blasphemous "infidels.
at January 31, 2005 3:50 PM
This is a disturbing article that begs a (few) question(s). Since a website can track "Christian" participants in a chat room,
How common a practice is this?
How vulnerable are sites like JW/DW?
How are these participants tracked?
Can 'tracking' be detected?
What particulars should potential participants look for before posting at various sites (privacy disclosure issues)?
Posted by: justamomof4 at January 31, 2005 4:29 PM
SO HOW MANY PEOPLE DID THEY HAVE ON FILE MARKED FOR DEATH??
THE SIGHT IS DOWN NOW HOW WILL THESE PEOPLE BE WARNED WILL THE FBI DO THEIR JOB AND WARN THESE PEOPLE TO SAVE THEM OR WILL THEY PROTECT THE DAMN MUSSI WHO WOULD EVEN KILL THEM AND THEIR FAMLIYS??
Yes it is Buy a Gun and learn to shoot it and lot's of ammo talk to your neighbors make sure they know about this threat??
Seams that mulsums can not change their spots Yes this is very disturbing of course it would be a war tacktic to go after those who can read your code??
WE KNOW WE CAN NOT TRUST MULSUMS TO TRANSLATE??
LOOK AT ALL IN THE MILITARY WHO HAVE TURNED TO HELP THE ISALMC TERRORIST
REMEMBER TERRORISM IS JUST A TACTIC IN THE WAR!!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to DESTROY ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
at January 31, 2005 4:39 PM
Posted by: justamomof4 at January 31, 2005 04:29 PM
Just think of all the mulsums who work for the FBI then the Police??
The the Computer companys??
Yes the only answer is to Be armed and know how to shoot and reload and don't be afraid of the sound because it may save your life!!!
I remember when that Rapist Murder was running around in La the Sheriff told his people to Buy a gun because he could not be every at the same time??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
at January 31, 2005 4:57 PM
justamomof4:
My advice is never to share personal details like first name or surname, location or other specific details. The only way to find out who is behind a posting would be by getting your Internet Service Provider to look you up by checking the ip-address you used whilst logging on here but they normally wouldn't do that without a good reason (i.e. if law enforcement asked them too). I think you are rather safe here.
Posted by: disillusionised_german at January 31, 2005 5:17 PM
This is quite disturbing. Makes one wonder about static IP addresses for high speed vs. random IP's using dial up services.
I'm with Momof4... I want more info on the potential capabilities of outside websites having the ability to track users hitting sites like this.. even users who don't post much. I don't want my family slaughtered and if I have to switch back to a dial up connection to stay safe and informed on the filthy jihad movement of islam, I'll do just that.
I = I am
S = Satan
L = Learn
A = About
M = Me
islam... the black cult of death and the greatest and deadliest disease ever to strike the world as a whole. Let it die.
Posted by: Just_Linda at January 31, 2005 5:49 PM
Just_Linda:
Even if you have got broadband / high-speed internet access your ISP usually gives you a dynamic IP. You'd be more at risk (in case the muslim c***s could somehow get hold of your IP address through this website) if you had a static IP address (i.e. at work).
Posted by: disillusionised_german at January 31, 2005 5:54 PM
Aaron, absolutely great site Hagannah.org I spent all morning on and have bookmarked scores of articles, for later use in my internet battles with the taqiyyah jihadis.
Good work.. Thanks.
Posted by: Giaour at January 31, 2005 6:01 PM
After all this is what they teach from their mosques??
CHRISTIANS:
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.” [Another translation says:] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”
Ishaq:552 “The Quraysh had put pictures in the Ka’aba including two of Jesus and one of Mary. Muhammad ordered that the pictures should be erased.”
Qur’an 5:14 “From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We made a covenant, but they forgot and abandoned a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, stirred up enmity and hatred among them to the Day of Doom. Soon will Allah show them the handiwork they have done.”
Qur’an 5:35 “Believers, fear Allah and seek the way to approach Him, striving hard, fighting Jihad with all your might in His Cause that you may be successful. As for the disbelievers [previously defined as Christians], if they had everything on earth, two times over, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Doom, it would never be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful torment. They will desire to get out of the fire, but they shall not be released from it. They shall have an everlasting torture.”
Qur’an 5:49 “And this (He commands): Judge between them by what Allah has revealed and follow not their [Christian] desires, but beware of them lest they beguile you, seducing you away from any of that which Allah hath sent down to you. And if they turn you away [from being Muslims], be assured that for their crime it is Allah’s purpose to smite them. Truly most men are rebellious.”
Qur’an 5:68 “Say: ‘People of the Scripture Book! You have no ground to stand upon unless you observe the Taurat [Torah], the Injeel [Gospel], and all the Revelation that has come to you from your Lord.’ It is certain to increase their rebellion and blasphemy. But grieve you not over unbelieving people.”
Qur’an 5:73 “They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them—the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom.”
Qur’an 4:171 “O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion; nor speak lies of Allah. The Messiah, Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease and Desist: (it is) better for you: for Allah is one Ilah (God). (Far it is removed from him of) having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. The Messiah is proud to be a slave of Allah, as are the angels, those nearest. Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant. He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer)…. He will punish with a painful doom; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or save them.”
Qur’an 5:77 “Say (Muhammad): ‘People of the Book, do not overstep the bounds in your religion, or follow the people who erred and led many astray. Cursed are the unbelievers among the Children of Israel by David and Jesus.... They do vile things, allying themselves with the infidels so that Allah’s indignation is upon them and in torment they will suffer for all eternity.” [Another translation reads:] “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”
NOW ASK YOURSELF WHAT THE CAIR TELL THE PRESS AND MOST PEOPLE WE HAVE RESPECT FOR THE CHRISTIANS WE BELIEVE IN JESUS TOO???
YEA THEY BELIVE HE WAS EVIL AND YOU ARE TO WORSHIP HIM ARE A PAGAN ??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
Answer is Arm yourself and buy lot's of ammo and learn to shoot and know who your neigbors are and who your neigbors who are armed are and remember all ammo does not fit all guns??
at January 31, 2005 6:53 PM
I tried finding Hagannah.org via a www.hagannah.org. Found nothing. Did a search on Dogpile for Hagannah and got nothing. Come on guys, whats the link?
Posted by: SCV at January 31, 2005 8:26 PM
SCV, try this
link
http://haganah.us/haganah/index.html
at January 31, 2005 8:43 PM
I dont see why self-respecting Christians waste their time and endanger themselves and their families by 'debating' with these Muslim scumbags.
What are they hoping to do, convert them? Make them see sense? Influence them to change their bigoted ways and behave like human beings for a change?
Total waste of time. Shut them down, arrest them for hate speech or death threats, whichever works, and deport them.
Only then will they see that we are serious. The more we allow them to spew their venom, the weaker we appear.
Posted by: DianaC at January 31, 2005 10:39 PM
Yes, Diana, seems rather naive and pointless debating with people whose brains have been damaged by Islam. They can't debate, can't think. Complete waste of time. But I suppose these Christians reckon they'll be able to influence some to start thinking and questioning, and perhaps leave Islam or try to change it from within. But I don't view that as the way to go. It is better to make sure non-Muslims are informed about the truth of Islam. Get the facts out there because MSM won't, leaving far too many non-Muslims in the dark, too trusting and vulnerable to the insidious invasion of Islam and the erosion of our rights and freedoms. An informed public makes better decisions at the polling booth. An informed public can fight to keep Islam out of our schools or from changing everyone's lifestyles and rights. An informed public isn't fooled by the lies of Islam.
Posted by: feralee at February 1, 2005 6:10 AM
We have received threatening emails from muslims regarding our memorial site which lists American victims of Arab and Islamic terrorists. In addition, we have been threatened from relatives of fallen muslim U.S.soldiers who also demand that the soldier’s name be removed from our War on Terror casualty pages.
Is there a way that these killers in America can find our names/locations via the Yahoo email address that we use for the site? How do these madmen identify those they want to persecute? We are very reluctant to dismantle our site as it has brought comfort to thousands of mourners. Although we do not want to cave-in to threats, we are savvy enough to recognize the danger involved here.
at February 1, 2005 11:15 AM
Posted by aaron at January 29, 2005 10:58 AM
ROTFL and good at English TOO!!
Gold Star for you!!
Guess no one told them about the Killer wave that took out their Friends?? or maybe some one did??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Threat give the World Courage to Stand Up and Fight this Evil Amen
at February 1, 2005 1:32 PM
Many in the islamic chatrooms are curious and there to learn about islam. No one should ever leave those rooms without hearing about the real islam.
I often have the opportunity to discuss islam with some American educators. Most teachers already know or at least understand there is something inherently wrong with islam. But, some are resistant to any viewpoint other than "bad muslims kill, good ones just like me". I hope some investigate and come to understand islam is evil to the core. At least, in the chatrooms everyone (non-muslims) seems to be there to learn. Let's giv'em some learn'in.
at February 6, 2005 11:25 PM
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