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A close friend of Hossam Armanious and relatives of the family murdered in New Jersey have revealed the following:
Shortly after the murders, members of the Egyptian consulate went to visit the family to encourage them to keep quiet. And many family members have obeyed, saying nothing to reporters or anyone else. However, two family members and another Copt viewed the bodies at the funeral home. One of these eyewitnesses said that he clearly saw that the family members had not suffered “stab wounds to the throat,” as the prosecutor’s report states, but rather the following:
A. Both adults, Hossam and Amal, had a horizontal slit across the throat. Below the slit, on the left, right and middle of the throat were three holes, big enough so that one could place a finger in each hole. According to the eyewitness, it was as if the assailant(s) took a knife and turned it repeatedly in a circular fashion, as if to screw holes into the victims’ necks.
B. The two young girls, Sylvia (15) and Monica (8), also had a horizontal slits in their throats, along with two holes bored below the slits, one on the right and one on the left sides of their necks. The holes were similar to those on their parents’ necks.
C. The eyewitness said although the bodies of the victims were all covered, he was able to see the arms of the little girl Monica. Although the tattoo of the cross inside Monica’s wrist was not defaced, he saw that her wrists were cut. He was not able to see the wrists of the other victims to see if the crosses on their wrists were defaced.
D. Though the family wants to reserve judgment until the results of the case are released, they did say that the way the four family members were bound and gagged and the way their throats were slit with holes carved is similar to executions that are shown on al-Jazeera. The American public is not aware of this because the details of the executions are not often described in news accounts.
Amal Garas’s father said that (contrary to many news reports and CAIR’s press release) none of the family’s jewelry was taken, and that Amal owned some quite expensive pieces that were not touched. At the time of her murder, Amal was wearing a ring worth $3,500 that was not taken.
Garas’s father also has been speaking with the detectives and the prosecutor on the case. He was told that the results of the autopsy would not be ready until March 14. However, an inside source in one of New Jersey’s police departments said that the results of autopsy and toxicology reports are known within 48 hours after the bodies are discovered. This source has worked on such cases for many years. He said that the department knows the results, but as in similar cases intends to wait a month or two before they release them to the family. During that time long reports are written to cross the t’s and dot the i’s for the family, but the final results are not much different from what is discovered within the first 48 hours. So all of the press reports about waiting for the prosecutor’s findings on the autopsies are nonsense. Though the investigators are looking at Sylvia’s computer and other evidence, the findings on the autopsy for the most part are already in.
A reporter who is closely following this case said that this delay was because the police and prosecutor want this case to go away. They want things to cool down. That’s why they set the autopsy date as March 14, two months after the murders.
It is still possible that this wasn’t a Muslim hate crime. The problem is that investigators have not taken the necessary steps to ensure a fair review of the evidence. There are too many holes here, too many inconsistencies in the official story. Too many obvious tasks have not been done: an Armanious family friend with whom I spoke, who gave me names and motives of possible perpetrators, is still waiting for a call from investigators.
Investigators seem to be following dead ends more assiduously than live leads. A Muslim has told police in Jersey City that there is an Islamic custom in Egypt: a life for a life. He said that is what may have happened in this case. Some news reports are referring to this when they say they’re looking into the family’s activities in Egypt before they came to the U.S. in 1997. Said prosecutor Edward DeFazio, “It could be that it's a vendetta that might go back to the old country. We’re going to try to look into that.” However, those close to Hossam Armanious maintain that he didn’t have any enemies, and certainly never took anyone’s life in Egypt or here; nor did anyone in his family.
This background information may illuminate why this investigation has been so curiously lacking:
There are a number of clergy in the Coptic community who are in bed with the Egyptian government. Some even act as agents for the Mubarak regime. Coptic clergy who won’t cooperate are often exiled into the Egyptian desert, where they live a very difficult life.
Many Coptic women have been kidnapped by Muslims. Some of these women are being kidnapped with the help of the compromised clergy. The priest hears a girl’s confession and then passes on information he hears there to Muslim kidnappers, who decide which girls they want to take. Many of these women are forced to marry Muslim men and are never seen again.
A number of Muslims have infiltrated the Coptic community, pretending to be Christians in order to gather information. Jersey City has a large number of Copts. Some of this infiltration has taken place there; some of the Coptic clergy there are also compromised. However, most Copts trust their clergy wholeheartedly, making it easy for the moles to operate.
What do those compromised clergymen want? The answer possibly has to do with a fact revealed by a number of other sources, including one within a New Jersey police department: the Egyptian government is pressuring the police and prosecutor to make this case disappear. Where are the mainstream media reporters contacting the Egyptian consulate to find out whether or not this is true?
Posted by Robert at January 31, 2005 2:44 PM
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Have the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, assigned teams to thoroughly investigate this murder, its motives, the role of Egyptian diplomats in attempting to squash a full investigation, the role of double-agents (Muslims who are supposedly police informants, or even police or FBI agents, but whose loyalty to Islam trumps, as it must, all other supposed loyalties), the ability of Muslims to enforce dhimmitude-like behavior even in the Lands of the Infidels)? No, they haven't assigned such teams, and no, the intrepid reporters are not out there being intrepid. Why not?
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at January 31, 2005 3:03 PM
If egyptian diplomats can make a police multiple murder investigation go away,here in the US,it means that the muslims are way ahead of us in the game,and moving forward,one step at the time,every day....
I just hope that this case will somehow get into the spotlight and the press will give it the proper attention.
at January 31, 2005 3:09 PM
mulsum who threw a Grenade in to the command tent still not tried?? His lawyer says he can't stay awake in court??
This is ALL Bullshit??
Get ALL mulsums out of our Police Forces and ALL Military Forces and ALL Courts and stop playing the game of PC People are being killed??
The Press rooms if smart will get rid of their mulsums too!!
I notice in this story that there have been many other such killings in that area??
REMEMBER A GUN IN HAND IS BETTER THAN 2 COPS ON THE PHONE??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
A train derails in Michigan??
K.C. warehouse fire??
at January 31, 2005 3:41 PM
Interesting piece in the Newark Star-ledger today:
http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/braun/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1107151904325470.xml
Key Quotes:
"This looks like a unique incident. Nothing like has ever happened before, here, anywhere in the United States. You got to work by history, and there's no history of this and so there's no reason to believe it fits any sort of pattern or will happen again."
Edward DeFazio, Hudson County Prosecutor.
[Ed DeFazio - get your head out of your a**hole and smell the coffee. These things are happening in the world in which you live. There is a pattern moving westward from the Muslim East to Netherlands to Jersey City and points in between.]
"The problem is -- a context and a history. They are Egyptian Copts. Christians, a minority that has lived uneasily for centuries with Muslims in their home country where there has been sectarian violence."
"Many of us escaped from Egypt to live here where we could live in peace," says Dawoud. "Where we could live without fear."
"Now it's like a curse following us wherever we live," says Assaad.
That's not the only context, not the only history. The word "terrorism" comes up in conversation. This is not a part of the country accustomed to religious violence, but it is a place where the word has its own negative cachet.
"Of course, this is terrorism," says Dawoud. "An act designed to create fear."
[Contrast this with a passage in the Jersey City Journal on 1/27:]
"Suzanne Loutfy, director of the Jersey City-based Egyptian American Group, said the outpouring of anger shown at last Monday's funeral was not indicative of traditional relations between the two religions. "
[Who ya gonna believe? ]
Posted by: Howard at January 31, 2005 3:44 PM
These people know there is no where else to run time to stand and FIGHT!!
That is Right this is not a country to Live in Fear??
Does Fighting mean you will live forever no but in Fighting against this Evil WE WILL WIN!!
Dawoud also wants Copts to have the right to keep registered guns in their homes for self-defense. DeFazio is quick to respond-- "There is no way we're distributing gun permits on the basis of religion. That's just not going to happen."
The problem is -- distrust. A sense that investigators might be afraid, for whatever reason, to tell the truth, that the truth would create complicated political problems.
"What I fear more now is a whitewash," says Toss, the attorney. "We're not sure the authorities will come out and tell us the truth. But we need to know it, no matter what it is. We need to know it so the fear stops."
as do most Americans Today with all they are hiding about the mulsum terrorist killing and raping across America?? Working with Mexicans??
MS13??
OH YEA what about the HEAD found the same day in a movie parking lot in N.J.
GUESS THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THATS ABOUT EITHER??
Paer of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE to DESTROY ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who SUPPORT THEM AMEN
at January 31, 2005 4:08 PM
REMEMBER A GUN IN HAND IS BETTER THAN 2 COPS ON THE PHONE
Gobble gobble gobble
at January 31, 2005 4:17 PM
The dutch did not Gobble gobble gobble
Posted by: shiva at January 31, 2005 4:21 PM
Only a fool would not be armed to the teeth in Jersey City.
Posted by: Mike at January 31, 2005 4:44 PM
The dutch did not Gobble gobble gobble
Posted by: shiva at January 31, 2005 04:21 PM
NO they ran away??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her Amen
PS
YEA the Dutch in the Van Gough murder had what? Let's get to know you better so you wont kill us??
at January 31, 2005 4:46 PM
The absurdity runs wild . . .
The Armanious murders happened the same week as the following:
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_011605_bodyfound.html
Severed Head Found Near Movie Theater
Hazlet, N.J.-WABC, January 16, 2005)
This is a follow-up from a local paper (a pay site, not full article):
Asbury Park Press
1. *Suicide suspected in man's death*
January 17, 2005 •• 248 words •• ID: asb20050117036
HAZLET: Authorities are investigating the apparent suicide of a 50-year-old Union Beach man, whose body was discovered behind the Hazlet Multiplex Cinemas theater on Saturday. Wolfgang Persieck's body was found inside his car, which was parked in an isolated area behind the theater on Route 35 about 10 p.m. Saturday, authorities said. While the official cause of death remained under investigation on Sunday, investigators found several notes at the scene indicated that Persiec
at January 31, 2005 4:58 PM
"the Egyptian government is pressuring the police and prosecutor to make this case disappear. Where are the mainstream media reporters contacting the Egyptian consulate to find out whether or not this is true?"
If there was any evidence that this was true, I can`t tell you how enraged as an American Citizen I would be if we found out that the local law enforcement agencies on this case where capable of being compromised, and influenced in the slightest way by any interested parties let alone the Egyptain government and its consulate.
This would be a violation of justice in the worse way, especially in a capital murder case investigation that may be a hate crime on top of it, and of course everything points to that being the case. I do understand the reasons for the police wanting to keep things cool and not jeapodize the case in anyway.
at January 31, 2005 5:04 PM
Found this another blog -
Hazlet man's death ruled a suicide
HAZLET: Authorities are investigating the apparent suicide of a 50-year-old Union Beach man, whose body was discovered behind the Hazlet Multiplex Cinemas theater on Saturday.
Wolfgang Persieck's body was found inside his car, which was parked in an isolated area behind the theater on Route 35 about 10 p.m. Saturday, authorities said.
While the official cause of death remained under investigation on Sunday, investigators found several notes at the scene indicated that Persieck intended to commit suicide, Monmouth County Prosecutor John A. Kaye said.
It appeared that Persieck decapitated himself by tying one end of a rope to a light post and the other end to his neck, before pressing the accelerator in his car, Kaye said.
Two juveniles who were walking in the parking lot a short time later found the body and the car. The two then stopped Holmdel Officer David D'Arcy, who was driving his patrol car through the theater lot, Kaye said.
After an investigation, which included interviews with his family and a review of the notes in the car, authorities determined the death a suicide.
Hazlet Detective Sgt. Howard Nuss, along with investigators from the prosecutor's office, conducted the investigation.
Posted by: justamomof4 at January 31, 2005 5:15 PM
I read the article in the Star Ledger today too. It appears that the "go slow" approach is in effect here.
Two things need to happen:
1. FBI needs to take over case.
2. Autopsy results need to be released now (as far as they have progressed).
at January 31, 2005 5:56 PM
WOW DO YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE THE LATEST FAD??
Give me a break this was murder plan and simple??
Yea guy goes to a move and then ties a rope to a tree to cut his own head off??
This is right out of the mussi hand book useing camels to kill a woman??
Gold Star for you Justamomof4!!
SOME OF THEIR OTHER HEAD LINES
NYPD Ready to Announce Break in Case of Murdered Actress
LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE GUYS THE GUY IN WHITE TAILS LOOKS LIKE MULSUM DERSS??
Search for Killer of Man in a Wheelchair
Houses Explode in New Jersey
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/features/strangenews/apress_012805_nakedjogger.html
Naked Jogger Gets A Year In Jail
(Memphis, Tenn. -AP, January 28, 2005) — The naked jogger has met his fate: a year in jail and a $1,000 fine for running around the neighborhood without his shorts.
Fate Patterson, 39, of West Memphis, Ark., was convicted Wednesday of indecent exposure, fleeing and resisting arrest. Municipal Court Judge William P. Rainey sentenced him to a fully clad year behind bars.
Police had received reports for several months from a West Memphis neighborhood of a man jogging in the nude before they arrested Patterson on Jan. 11, an unseasonably warm day.
Officers said they saw Patterson jogging bare from the waist down and ordered him to stop. When he kept running, officers used a stun gun to pause the pursuit of the pantless perpetrator.
Patterson was supposed to have a mental evaluation, but Rainey canceled it when Patterson admitted he entered a Florida woman's home naked two years ago.
"I don't need a mental health evaluation," Rainey said. "He's not crazy. He knows exactly what he's doing."
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/features/strangenews/apress_012505_robberydate.html
Woman Robbed, Then Asked Out On A Date
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her Amen
at January 31, 2005 6:02 PM
Thank G_d for Jihadwatch and similar sites. How can we get the average American to see the big picture? A beheading here, a family wiped out there. Most can be traced back to revenge killing used by Muslims. But we never connect them. I'm so afraid that the PC police will oversee our downfall.
Posted by: misskitty at January 31, 2005 6:26 PM
Hugh:No, they haven't assigned such teams, and no, the intrepid reporters are not out there being intrepid. Why not?
Because the intrepid reporters are only intrepid when they investigate Abu Ghraib or Christian misdemeanors. When it comse to islam and muslims, "sensitivity" becomes the MO.
at January 31, 2005 6:33 PM
Or is it this??
http://ace.mu.nu/
January 31, 2005
Federal Jurist Grants Terror Suspects the Rights of Citizenship
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&ncid=716&e=4&u=/ap/20050131/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_detainees_lawsuit
WASHINGTON - A federal judge ruled Monday that foreign terror suspects held in Cuba can challenge their confinement in U.S. courts and she criticized the Bush administration for holding hundreds of people without legal rights.
Judge Joyce Hens Green, handling claims filed by about 50 detainees at the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, said the Supreme Court made clear last year that they have constitutional rights that lower courts should enforce.
"Although this nation unquestionably must take strong action under the leadership of the commander in chief to protect itself against enormous and unprecedented threats," she wrote, "that necessity cannot negate the existence of the most basic fundamental rights for which the people of this country have fought and died for well over 200 years. "
It never occurred to me that Nathan Hale submitted to execution so as to preserve the rights of foreign combatants.
Or for that matter that terrorist suspects were mentioned in The Constitution.
Good to know.
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her Amen
at January 31, 2005 6:49 PM
It's crucial to keep this story front and center, but I also think it's crucial to do it in the right way. Instead of speculating about wild connections, or making speculative assertions, we should simply demand consistency from Mr. DeFazio.
He has said previously that he does not think the murders were motivated by money, but ALSO that there is no evidence that they were motivated by religion. OK, so what motive does he have in mind? Clearly if he can exclude money and also religion, he has enough evidence to tell us tentatively what the motive was. At this point, he lapses into claims about ignorance, and his deputies (e.g., Gaetano) tell us that it's no good to speculate. Really? Then what has he been doing so far? Engaging in divination?
He then tells us that he is looking into the possibility of a vendetta from Egypt. How does a vendetta exclude a religious connection? No answer.
I am not someone hoping against hope that this is a hate crime so that I can finally have rock-solid confirmation of the evils of Muslims. I simply think that a prosecutor being paid to do justice should make more sense than Mr DeFazio so far has.
As for his comments on firearms, I'm a little puzzled at precisely what he is trying to convey. He is a prosecutor, not a legislator, much less a dictator who can unilaterally suspend the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment guarantees us a right to bear arms, certainly in self-defense. Is he trying to say that we don't have such a right? If so, which right is he denying--the right to self-defense or the right to bear arms? You would think that a person of his stature could manage a little more clarity on issues like this.
And as for the comment that the Armanious murders are unprecedented, with all due respect, I don't think I could have imagined anyone saying something so stupid. Really, where has this person been living for the past 30 years? The Jersey City police department itself reported that Arab Muslims in JC celebrated 9/11. I didn't make this up; I read it in the Washington Post, and contacted the reporter (Frederick Kunkle), who cited the JCPD as his source. If people celebrate mass murder, is it so difficult to imagine them committing it? And if the JCPD is the very source for this information, is there not a bit of myopia involved when the Hudson County Prosecutor confesses to abject, blank ignorance on this subject?
Anyway, someone tell me: how does it follow that if an event is "unprecedented," it will not happen again? "Unprecedented" means that it hasn't happened before. Coming from a person who has not even explained what has happened, I am not sure how to interpret this. But how does something's not having happened BEFORE mean that it will not happen AGAIN? If I kill someone, that would be unprecedented, too. Does it mean that I can be ignored because I'll never kill again? For that matter, 9/11 was unprecedented. Would Mr DeFazio suggest we ignore it because having happened once, it cannot happen again?
I honestly do not understand how a person of Mr. DeFazio's stature can pass off such utter absurdities and expect us to take them seriously. If John Ashcroft had said such a thing, we would be hearing it discussed everywhere, everyday. When Edward DeFazio says it, everybody furrows their brow in earnest consideration as though he was the Oracle at Delphi.
I live in New Jersey, I have family in Jersey City, and I go there frequently. I also happen to be an apostate Muslim and run ISIS. Is it really so much for these kind, sensitive liberal souls to acknowledge that people like me confront a bit of a problem? Or is that thought only to be reserved for Muslims? The pathetic thing is that I've done more to defend Muslim civil liberties than any Muslim has ever done to defend mine. But never mind. I'll keep doing it...uh, as long as I live.
Posted by: Irfan Khawaja at January 31, 2005 7:12 PM
The documentation for my claims about the 9/11 celebration in JC are in this interview I did with The Jewish Standard:
http://www.secularislam.org/articles/khawaja19.htm
I've deliberately given you the URL for the whole interview as opposed to excerpting the tidbit about JC, because I don't want the information taken out of context. It is important to see that there is reliable evidence of such a celebration in JC, and that it came from the JCPD, but also important to see that the VAST majority of the rumors about 9/11 celebrations in NJ were malicious and gratuitiously false. I certainly don't want to start a new spate of stupid rumors, or malign Muslims who don't deserve it, but I'm also getting tired of the "see, hear, speak no evil" attitude coming from the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office. This is a state in which the Attorney General goes after bars that offer "Ladies Night" specials on the premise that that NJ has "zero tolerance" for discrimination against men. Meanwhile, Edward DeFazio is telling us that murder is simply an unprecedented phenomenon that he's never encountered before, but don't worry because lightning doesn't strike the same place twice.
I think I'm almost starting to lose my patience.
Posted by: Irfan Khawaja at January 31, 2005 7:23 PM
Qur’an 9:90 “And there were among the wandering desert Arabs men who made excuses and came to claim exemption (from the battle). Those who lied to Allah and His Messenger sat at home. Soon will a grievous torment seize them.”
WHO COULD THIS BE THE ONES WITH ALL THIS MONEY THAT THEY HAVE USED FOR EVIL AROUND THE WORLD?
Qur’an 9:93 “The (complaint) is against those who claim exemption [from fighting] while they are rich. They prefer to stay with the (women) who remain behind (at home). Allah has sealed their hearts. They are content to be useless. Say: ‘Present no excuses: we shall not believe you.’ It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe. They will swear to you by Allah, when you return hoping that you might leave them alone. So turn away from them, for they are unclean, an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place, a fitting recompense for them.”
YES WHO ARE THESE MONSTERS ONES WHO BRING A LIVING HELL? WHAT COUNTRYS DO THEY BRING THEIR MISTUFF FROM? NOW THE PEOPLE FROM THE BOOK FIGHT BACK AND GOD GIVES THOSE WHO FIGHT WITH THEM TRUE PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. Some of the Bedouins look upon their payments (for Allah’s Cause) as a fine and wish disasters to fall on you (so that they might not have to pay). Yet on them be the disaster of evil.”
AFTER ALL THIS IS WHAT THEY FOLLOW AND TEACH THEIR YOUNG??
Tabari VI:107 “Satan Cast a False Qur’an Revelation on the Messenger of Allah’s Tongue.”
Bukhari:V5B58N200 “I carried a water pot for the Prophet’s ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While following him with the pot, the Prophet turned and said, ‘Who are you?’ ‘I am Abu.’ The Prophet said, ‘Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, but do not bring any bones or animal dung.’ So I brought some stones, carrying them in the corner of my robe till I put them by his side. When he finished, I walked with him and asked, ‘What can you tell me about the bones and the animal dung?’ He said, ‘They are of the food of Jinns [Devils]. A delegate of Jinns of the city of Nasibin came to me—and how nice those Jinns were—and asked me for the remains of human food. I invoked Allah for them that they would never pass by a bone or animal dung but find food on them.’”
Bukhari:V4B54N506 “When a human being is born, Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers. That is why it cries.’”
Qur’an 72:13 “So, since we [Jinn/Devils] have listened to the guidance (of the Qur’an), we have accepted (Islam): and any who believes in his Lord has no fear of loss, force, or oppression.”
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF BAM?? NO SWIM WEAR THERE ON WOMEN??
Qur’an 74:32 “Truly: I swear by the Moon as a witness, and by the darkness of night.”
Qur’an 72:3 “There were some foolish ones among us, who used to utter preposterous things, atrocious lies against the Lord; We Jinn [Devils] had thought that no man or jinn would ever say anything untrue about the Lord. But there were men who took shelter with the male jinn. But they (jinn) increased them in waywardness, folly, and revolt. And surely they came to think as you thought, that the Lord would not raise up any Messenger. We jinn pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with fierce guards, stern wardens and flaming fires. We used to sit there in, hidden in observatories, trying to steal a hearing; but any who listen now will find a shooting star and a flaming fire watching him, lying in wait as an ambush for him. And we Jinn know not whether harm or evil is the intended fate of all men on earth, or whether the Lord intends to give them some guidance.”
Bukhari:V4B54N516 “The Prophet said, ‘If anyone rouses from sleep and performs ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blow it out thrice because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.’”
Bukhari:V4B54N509 “The Prophet said, ‘Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you during the act of yawning should say: “Ha,” Satan will laugh at him.’”
Bukhari:V2B21N245 “A person slept in and missed the morning prayer. So the Prophet said, ‘Satan urinated in his ears.’”
Tabari VI:110 “When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad has repented of what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah.”
SOUNDS LIKE HE HAD TO ADMIT TO THE JEWS HE WAS WRONG THAT IT WAS HIM WHO BELIVED IN A ROCK AND THE MOON??
Qur’an 22:52 “Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before you, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some vanity into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in.” [Another translation reads:] “He recited (the message) Satan proposed. But Allah abolishes that which Satan proposes.” [A third claims:] “Satan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which Satan casts,” [A fourth:] “whose recitations Satan tampered with, yet Allah abrogates what Satan interpolates; and Allah will confirm His Signs/Revelations.”
Ishaq:231 “Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.”
Qur’an 2:104 “To those who don’t submit there is a grievous punishment.”
Qur’an 3:4 “As a guidance to mankind, He sent down the criterion (to judge between right and wrong). Truly, for those who deny the proofs and signs of Allah, the torture will be severe; Allah is powerful, the Lord of Retribution.”
Qur’an 3:61 “If anyone disputes with you about Jesus being divine, flee them and pray that Allah will curse them.”
Qur’an 3:85 “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Surrender), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who are losers.” Qur’an 3:87 “Of such, the reward is the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all men, all together. Their penalty of doom will not be lightened.”
Qur’an 3:118 “Believers! Take not into your intimacy those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, and Christians). They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin. Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths. What their hearts conceal is far worse. When they are alone, they bite off the very tips of their fingers at you in their rage. Say unto them: ‘Perish in your rage.’”
Qur’an 3:141 “This is so that Allah may test the faithful and destroy the unbelieving infidels.” [Another translation:] “Allah’s object is to purge those that are true in Faith and blight the disbelievers. This is so that Allah may test the faithful and destroy the unbelieving infidels.”
Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Qur’an 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
Qur’an 8:13 “This because they rejected Allah and defied His Messenger. If anyone opposes Allah and His Messenger, Allah shall be severe in punishment. That is the torment: ‘So taste the punishment. For those infidels who resist there is the torment of Hell.’”
Qur’an 4:90 “If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
Ishaq:249 “Fear Hell, whose fuel is men and stones prepared for the infidels.’”
Qur’an 46:20 “On that Day the unbelievers will be placed before the Fire: ‘You squandered your good things in this life and you sought comfort from them, but today shall you be rewarded with a penalty of humiliation.’”
Qur’an 59:4 “If any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in Punishment, stern in reprisal.”
Qur’an 21:06 “Not one of the populations which We destroyed believed: will these believe? ...So we saved whom We pleased, and We destroyed the disbelievers.”
Qur’an 20:48 “Verily it has been revealed to us that the Penalty of Doom awaits those who reject and deny.”
Qur’an 20:100 “Whoever turns from it, he shall bear a burden on the Day of Doom. Grievous evil will the load on them. We shall gather the Mujrimun (disbeliever) blue or blind-eyed with thirst.... My Lord will blast them and scatter them as dust.”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur’an 2:191 “Slay them wherever you find and catch them, and drive them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter.”
Qur’an 33:25 “Allah drove the disbelievers back...and helped the believers in battle.... He terrorized the People of the Book so that you killed some and made many captive.”
Qur’an 5:82 “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”
Tabari IX:78 “No polytheist shall come near the Holy Mosque, and no one shall circumambulate Allah’s House naked.”
Qur’an 9:113 “It is not fitting for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray for the forgiveness for disbelievers, even though they be close relatives, after it is clear to them that they are the inmates of the Flaming Hell Fire.”
Qur’an 5:78 “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”
Qur’an 9:28 “Believers, truly the pagan disbelievers are unclean.”
Qur’an 9:4 “You cannot escape Allah, weaken or frustrate Him. And proclaim a grievous penalty of a painful doom to those who reject [Islamic] Faith.”
Qur’an 60:1 “Believers, take not my enemies and yours as allies, offering them love, even though they have rejected the truth that has come to you, and have driven out the Prophet and you because you believe in Allah! If you have come out to struggle [fight jihad] in My Cause, and to seek My Pleasure, (take them not as friends), holding secret converse of love with them: for I am aware of all you conceal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path. If they were to get the better of you, they would be your foes, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil (designs).”
Qur’an 60:5 “We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.’”
Qur’an 48:13 “If any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a Blazing Fire for them!”
Qur’an 9:71 “O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.”
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
DECEPTION:
Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
Qur’an 66:1 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”
Bukhari:V4B52N268 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.’”
Qur’an 4:142 “Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them.”
TORTURE:
Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 4:91 “You will find others who, while wishing to live in peace and being safe from you to gain the confidence of their people; thrown back to mischief headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and offer you peace besides restraining their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear sanction and authority.” [So if you wish to live in peace, but are perceived as being mischievous (i.e., non-Muslim), Allah has given his Jihad warriors “a clear sanction and authority to seize and kill” you.
Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger. Some of the Bedouins look upon their payments (for Allah’s Cause) as a fine and wish disasters to fall on you (so that they might not have to pay). Yet on them be the disaster of evil.”
Tabari VII:100 “Every time I opened a door, I shut it behind me from the inside, saying to myself, ‘If they become aware, they will not have time to stop me from killing him.’ When I reached Rafi, he was in a dark room with his family. As I did not know where he was in the room, I said, ‘O Abu Rafi.’ When he replied, I proceeded toward the voice and gave him a blow with my sword. He shouted and I came back, pretending to be a helper. I said, ‘O Abu,’ changing the tone of my voice. He asked me, ‘I don’t know who came to strike me with his sword.’ Then I drove my sword into his belly and pushed it forcibly till it touched the bone. I hit him again and covered him with wounds, but I could not kill him, so I thrust the point of my sword into his stomach until it came out through his back. At that, I knew that I had killed him [in front of his wife and children]. I came out, filled with puzzlement, and went towards a ladder in order to get down but I fell into a moonlit night and sprained my foot. I bound it with my turban and moved on. I came to my companions and said, ‘By Allah, I will not leave till I hear the wailing of their women.’ So, I did not move till I heard them crying for the Jewish merchant. I said, ‘Deliverance! Allah has killed Abu Rafi.’ I got up, feeling no ailment, and proceeded till we came upon the Prophet and informed him.”
Tabari VII:101 “The Khazraj asked the Prophet for permission to kill Sallam Huqayq, who was in Khaybar. He granted this.” Ishaq:482 “One of the favors which Allah conferred upon his Prophet was that these two tribes of the Ansar, the Aws and the Khazraj, used to vie with one another like stallions to carry out the will of Muhammad. The Aws did not do anything which benefited him without the Khazraj saying, ‘By Allah they will not gain superiority over us in Islam in the eyes of the Messenger by doing this.’ And they would not cease until they had done something similar. Thus when the Aws killed Ka’b Ashraf on account of his hostility to Muhammad, the Khazraj conferred to find a man comparable to Ka’b in hostility and called to mind Sallam Huqayq in Khaybar. They asked the Prophet for permission to kill him, and it was granted.”
Tabari VII:101/Ishaq:483 “Sallam’s wife came out and we told her that we were Arabs in search of supplies. When we entered, we bolted the door on her so she gave a shout to warn him of our presence. We rushed upon him with our swords as he lay in his bed. He took his pillow and tried to fend us off. Abd Allah thrust his sword into his stomach and transfixed him while he was shouting, ‘Enough! Enough!’ At once we went out but Abd Allah had bad eyesight, and he fell off the stairway, bruising his leg or arm. ‘How shall we know that the enemy of Allah is dead?’ one of us asked. ‘I will go and look,’ one replied. He set off and mingled with the people. He said, ‘I found him with the men of the Jews, and with his wife, who had a lamp in her hand, peering into his face. She said, ‘By the God of the Jews, he is dead.’ I never heard any more pleasing words than these. We went to the Messenger of Allah and told him that we had killed the enemy of Allah. We disagreed in his presence about the killing of Sallam, each of us claiming to have done it. The Prophet said, ‘Bring me your swords.’ We did and he looked at them. He said, ‘This sword of Abd Allah killed him. I can see the marks left by bones on it.’”
NO FREEDOM, NO CHOICE:
Qur’an 3:19 “Lo! religion with Allah (is) Surrender.”
Ishaq:322 “Allah said, ‘Do not turn away from Muhammad when he is speaking to you. Do not contradict his orders. And do not be a hypocrite, one who pretends to be obedient to him and then disobeys him. Those who do so will receive My vengeance. You must respond to the Apostle when he summons you to war.”
Qur’an 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”
Qur’an 49:16 “Say: ‘What! Will you instruct Allah about your religion?’ They impress you (Muhammad) that they have Surrendered (Islam). Say, ‘Count not your Surrender as a favor to me: Nay, Allah lays you under an obligation.”
Qur’an 9:53 “Say: ‘Pay your contribution for the Cause willingly or unwillingly.’”
WEITHER IT BE WITH YOUR MONEY ARE YOUR LIFE??
Qur’an 5:4 “This day those who reject faith give up all hope of your religion. Yet fear them not, fear Me. This day I have perfected your religion and have chosen for you Submission as your religion.”
Qur’an 4:59 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority. If you dispute any matter, refer it to Allah and His Messenger. That is best, and most suitable for final determination.”
ASK YOUR SELF WHAT IS THAT FINAL DETERMINATION BUT TO CONTROL THE WORLD??
Qur’an 60:1 “Believers, take not my enemies and yours as allies, offering them love, even though they have rejected the truth that has come to you, and have driven out the Prophet and you because you believe in Allah! If you have come out to struggle [fight jihad] in My Cause, and to seek My Pleasure, (take them not as friends), holding secret converse of love with them: for I am aware of all you conceal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path. If they were to get the better of you, they would be your foes, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil (designs).”
Qur’an 60:5 “We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.’”
Qur’an 48:13 “If any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a Blazing Fire for them!”
Qur’an 9:2 “You cannot weaken Allah or escape. Allah will disgrace the unbelievers and put those who reject Him to shame.”
Tabari VI:70 “He went to Khadija and said, ‘I think that I have gone mad.’”
Ishaq:132-3 “If this demonic spirit which has possession of you is such that you cannot get rid of him, we will find a physician for you, and exhaust our means trying to cure you. For often a demonic spirit gets possession of a man, but he can be rid of it.’ The Apostle listened patiently.”
Qur’an 69:43 “This is a Message sent down from the Lord of men and jinn [demons]. And if the Messenger were to attribute any false words to Us, We would seize him and cut his aorta. None of you would be able to stop Us. So truly this is a Message for those who fear. Yet We know that there are those who deny and belie (this Qur’an). But truly this (Qur’an) revelation is a cause of sorrow and anguish; the nemesis of unbelievers.”
MORE LIKE THE ONES WHO BELIVE IN IT LOOK AT ALL THE MULSUM COUNTRIES LIKE SH-T HOLES??
WHAT 140 DEGREES IN THE SUMMER??
Bukhari:V6B60N662 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Some eloquent speech is as effective as magic.’”
Bukhari:V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech.’”
Bukhari:V6B60N658 “A man worked magic on Allah’s Apostle until he started imagining that he had done a thing that he had not really done.”
CHRISTIANS:
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.” [Another translation says:] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”
Ishaq:552 “The Quraysh had put pictures in the Ka’aba including two of Jesus and one of Mary. Muhammad ordered that the pictures should be erased.”
Qur’an 5:14 “From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We made a covenant, but they forgot and abandoned a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, stirred up enmity and hatred among them to the Day of Doom. Soon will Allah show them the handiwork they have done.”
Qur’an 5:35 “Believers, fear Allah and seek the way to approach Him, striving hard, fighting Jihad with all your might in His Cause that you may be successful. As for the disbelievers [previously defined as Christians], if they had everything on earth, two times over, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Doom, it would never be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful torment. They will desire to get out of the fire, but they shall not be released from it. They shall have an everlasting torture.”
Qur’an 5:49 “And this (He commands): Judge between them by what Allah has revealed and follow not their [Christian] desires, but beware of them lest they beguile you, seducing you away from any of that which Allah hath sent down to you. And if they turn you away [from being Muslims], be assured that for their crime it is Allah’s purpose to smite them. Truly most men are rebellious.”
Qur’an 5:68 “Say: ‘People of the Scripture Book! You have no ground to stand upon unless you observe the Taurat [Torah], the Injeel [Gospel], and all the Revelation that has come to you from your Lord.’ It is certain to increase their rebellion and blasphemy. But grieve you not over unbelieving people.”
Qur’an 5:73 “They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them—the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom.”
Qur’an 4:171 “O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion; nor speak lies of Allah. The Messiah, Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease and Desist: (it is) better for you: for Allah is one Ilah (God). (Far it is removed from him of) having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. The Messiah is proud to be a slave of Allah, as are the angels, those nearest. Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant. He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer)…. He will punish with a painful doom; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or save them.”
Qur’an 5:77 “Say (Muhammad): ‘People of the Book, do not overstep the bounds in your religion, or follow the people who erred and led many astray. Cursed are the unbelievers among the Children of Israel by David and Jesus.... They do vile things, allying themselves with the infidels so that Allah’s indignation is upon them and in torment they will suffer for all eternity.” [Another translation reads:] “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”
NOW ASK YOURSELF WHAT THE CAIR TELL THE PRESS AND MOST PEOPLE WE HAVE RESPECT FOR THE CHRISTIANS WE BELIEVE IN JESUS TOO???
YEA THEY BELIVE HE WAS EVIL AND YOU ARE TO WORSHIP HIM ARE A PAGAN??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
Answer is Arm yourself and buy lot's of ammo and learn to shoot and know who your neighbors are and who your neighbors who are armed are and remember all ammo does not fit all guns??
at January 31, 2005 7:50 PM
There's some very bad news for the Islamic governments who would like this case to go away: It's not.
And there's some very bad news indeed for the citizens of the United States, too: Islamic jihad isn't going away anytime soon either.
The Islamists who believe they can dhimmi-ize us into ignoring Islam's crimes against humanity are in fact the same ones waging the un-holy 'holy war' against us. It all adds up.
Posted by: pythagoras at January 31, 2005 8:17 PM
Do you remember Dr.Elmasry's rant about how he was taken out of context for his comment on TV that "All Israelis over 18 a valid tagets for murder by suicide-bomber because of the military draft system" , well here's his posting on his website for the annual "Islamophobe" or "Anti-Muslem" award of the year for media outlets.
The New Jersey slaughter of the Christain family had next to no coverage in the Canadian media,no real shock there since Islamic groups are hell bend on linching anybody that appears to make Islamophobic comments or blasphemous statement about the Quran or Muhammed,ever since the Van Gogh murder in broad daylight by one of Allah children defending islam,very few peole are now making valid opposing opinions about anything Islamic or even about Muslims.
CAIR is a pro at this Psy-op terrorism and financial terrorism with the threats of lawsuits
that could bankrupt a business or person.
There sure is allot of hate coming out of people that claim to be of a peaceful/loving religion.
http://www.canadianislamiccongress.org/mc/media_communique.php?mcdate=2005-01-31
at January 31, 2005 8:38 PM
To Catherine aka Spider Killer:
Removing all Muslims from police and military? I have several Muslim friends who are serving with the US Army in Iraq, who are putting their life on the line, just like every other soldier. They love this country and would die for it. Visit www.apaam.org, and tell Cpl Jamaal Baddani that he should not be there. He has more courage and honour than you could ever wish for. They deserve the same respect as any other soldier.
Your remarks are disgusting and disgraceful. Comments like that undermine the important work that Jihad Watch undertakes.
Perhaps you should also pick up a dictionary and learn how to spell. Bloody idiot...
Posted by: Thomas at January 31, 2005 10:19 PM
The Saudi Royal Family's stooges over at CAIR sure are fixed on all of this aren't they? Wonder why that is.
Posted by: Prickzilla at January 31, 2005 10:49 PM
Well, Thomas, life is'nt fair. We know islam. That link you provided is to a place under investigation. And if a lefty like Schumer is concerned about there must be some compelling reasons.
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/6857583.htm
Since then, the school has become controversial. U.S. Customs agents searched the school in March 2002, part of an investigation into money being funneled to al-Qaida and other groups related to militant Islam.
The school's leader, Taha Jabir Al-Alawani, a top U.S. Islamic scholar, was among those named in the search warrants, but no charges were filed against him.
Earlier this year, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., asked the Pentagon to investigate the school, citing possible connections to terrorism.
Monday, Schumer cited Yee's arrest in a letter to the Pentagon, asking for an update into the investigation of the school, as well as the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council run by Uqdah.
Both organizations are used by the military to approve Muslim chaplain candidates.
Posted by: kentim at February 1, 2005 12:38 AM
And that site also grossly exaggerates the number of muslims in the armed forces.
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At latest count, 4,070 active-duty members of the U.S. military list Muslim as their religion: 1,940 in the Army; 869 in the Navy; 744 in the Air Force; and 517 Marines. But organizations such as the Patriotic Arab Americans in Military and the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veteran Affairs Council believe the number is closer to 10,000. There are about 1.4 million troops.
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This is disturbing also considering Saudi is for all intents and purposes at war with us:
"Uqdah, born into a Southern Baptist family, converted to Islam in his teens. For most of his 21-year military career, the military made few accommodations for the tiny minority of Muslims. In 1993, just two years before Uqdah left the military, the first Muslim chaplain came on board: Army Chaplain Abdul-Rashid Muhammad. The military made the move after the Persian Gulf War, when more than 1,000 U.S. military personnel converted to Islam while stationed there. Uqdah's younger brother, stationed with the Navy in Saudi Arabia in 1991, was one of them.
Uqdah said the troops in the Gulf saw Islam in its purest form in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam and home to Mecca and Medina, the religion's two holiest sites: "Based on my conversations with my brother, his exposure to Islam at the time was an unfiltered introduction. He saw the beauty of Islam. ... I had a roster years ago (of military personnel who converted during the Gulf War) and it was something like 1,600 people converted to Islam. It was amazing."
http://www.amafandvac.org/article.php?story=20031227150500020
at February 1, 2005 12:47 AM
Removing all Muslims from police and military? I have several Muslim friends who are serving with the US Army in Iraq, who are putting their life on the line, just like every other soldier. They love this country and would die for it. Visit www.apaam.org, and tell Cpl Jamaal Baddani that he should not be there. He has more courage and honour than you could ever wish for. They deserve the same respect as any other soldier.
Posted by Thomas
Thomas, if you're a regular here, then you know all about the treacherous tactics sanctioned by Islam to conquer the infidels. Absolutely ANYTHING is allowed, including espionage. As you also probably know, several muslim servicemen have been caught redhanded aiding and abetting the enemy. What better way to inflict great harm to America than by infiltrating our military and government? Muslims have succeeded in doing just that and are getting away with their treasonous activities. Who knows what damage they will inflict before they are caught.
Your friends may be loyal and patriotic Americans, but it is simply impossible to know which muslims are and which aren't because they don't advertise their agendas.
How many terrorists have been arrested since 9-11, who by all outward appearances were normal, harmless, "average" Americans? Their friends, neighbors, and employers were "shocked" and "stunned", and "just couldn't believe" that they had been living next door to or working beside a fanatic muslim.
Muslims should not be allowed to work in any sensitive position that deals with national security. There is simply no fool proof way to determine who is a potential terrorist or terrorist sympathizer.
I agree with Catherine. The moderates are as silent as the terrorists, so you tell us, how do you tell them apart?
But despite our legitimate fears and concerns, we rely mainly on Middle Eastern muslims to translate the most sensitive and critical intelligence data, data that could literally mean life or death for millions of us. That scares the hell out of me. If and when the FBI or some other federal bureacracy responsible for protecting us discovers a traitor in its midst, it will probably be too late.
If it were up to me, muslims wouldn't even be living in this country. If you will recall, muslims and Islam attacked us (again) on 9-11, which resulted in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Thanks to muslims and Islam, our entire way of life has changed due to the extraordinary security measures required to protect ourselves from them. Flying was bad enough before 9-11; now it's a nightmare, compliments of Islam and muslims. There are Islamic terrorist cells all over America, some of which have been here for twenty years or more. There are Islamic terrorist sympathizers galore who operate openly and with impunity. C.A.I.R. comes immediately to mind.
There is an Islamic fifth column that plans to Islamicize America, to abolish the Constitution and implement Sharia.
Muslims have nothing we need and plenty we don't need. This is not a case of a few bad apples spoiling the lot, just tons of rotten fruit. Who needs it?
at February 1, 2005 12:52 AM
Susan, Thomas Haidon is a muslim, isn't that right Thomas?
Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 1, 2005 1:41 AM
Many thanks R.S. and others for this info, and all the other stuff today re websites.
Scary, upsetting, infuriating knowledge we must have.
The lack of apparent action by the authorities to the murders and the websites is not encouraging.
Keep up the pressure - tell everyone you know, spread the word, e-mail the media, politicos....
Posted by: dby
at February 1, 2005 1:41 AM
Susanp, you said it.
Nothing more to add.
Nothing we need from them, we need less of them altogether.
Those who have infiltrated should be shipped out, the mosques should not be permitted to operate and no more Islamic publications.
All proselytizing must be 'verboten' and those who want to join the Muslims should be stripped of citizenship.
It will come to that, but what will it take? A dirty bomb, another 9/11?
One of the best Ideas I've heard in a long time is to allow Christians from Aegypt and Pakistan and other horrible places to migrate and to help in the effort to expose the Muzzies for what they are!
at February 1, 2005 3:42 AM
Susanp, you said it.
Nothing more to add.
Nothing we need from them, we need less of them altogether.
Those who have infiltrated should be shipped out, the mosques should not be permitted to operate and no more Islamic publications.
All proselytizing must be 'verboten' and those who want to join the Muslims should be stripped of citizenship.
It will come to that, but what will it take? A dirty bomb, another 9/11?
One of the best Ideas I've heard in a long time is to allow Christians from Aegypt and Pakistan and other horrible places to migrate and to help in the effort to expose the Muzzies for what they are!
at February 1, 2005 3:43 AM
SusanP say about Islam "Absolutely ANYTHING is allowed, including espionage".
Eh... I think the US is into plenty of espionage too at the moment is Afganistan, IRaq, Iran, Cuba, Pakistan, Kuwait, Saudi, Russia, China , Outer space etc...etc.
"friends, neighbors, and employers were "shocked" and "stunned", and "just couldn't believe" that they had been living next door"
Eh...people say that aboout western child molesters, murderers rapists etc. etc.
"should not be allowed to work in any sensitive position that deals with national security".
Eh... that's what they used to say about the Nazis before the US took on their scientists to work on nucleur and germ warfare programs.
"There are Islamic terrorist cells all over America, some of which have been here for twenty years or more".
Eh.... the Vietnamese thought the same thing about American forces.....two millon of them died says the same thing...need I say more
Glad to see that we are so alike... another revelation....Catherine will be pleased.
"If it were up to me, muslims wouldn't even be living in this country".
Yes, but it's not up to you is it and with your biased racial attitude it never will be, thanks be to Allah (swt).
"There is an Islamic fifth column that plans to Islamicize America, to abolish the Constitution and implement Sharia".
Now that's news to me. Quite honestly Islam doesn't need a fifth column or any such thing...Allah has said that Islam is fit for the East and the West...wher the sun shines or where there is darnkness...it doesn't matter...Islam is global.
In my view Islam does not need to (and shouldn't) resort to violence. The 21st century is for Islam....it is the time when Islam will be THE global champion. Sharia will come about through democratic means..sheer numbers will carry the day..eh centuary and it's likely there will be no going back.
Posted by: Naseem at February 1, 2005 5:08 AM
Naseem,
I can't help but feel you are trying to provoke a response here
The 21st century is for Islam....it is the time when Islam will be THE global champion. Sharia will come about through democratic means..sheer numbers will carry the day..eh centuary and it's likely there will be no going back.
LOL sharia through democractic means.
WE ARE CIVILISED HUMAN BEINGS. WE HAVENT COME THIS FAR TO BE DRAGGED BACK TO A VIOLENT DELUSIONAL AND SELF-JUSTIFIYING 7TH CENTURY ARABIA.
ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN, OK? I DO NOT PRESCRIBE TO YOUR DOOM-SAYING.
Sorry for caps.
Posted by: freestar at February 1, 2005 5:59 AM
Naseem,
Living in the dark ages was in general a disgusting experience. You shouldn't wish it for yourself or anyone else. The more societies become based on sharia and the islamic religion (ie. islamic theocracy) the more dysfunctional and like the dark ages those socieites become.
Posted by: obl r us at February 1, 2005 7:04 AM
"In my view Islam does not need to (and shouldn't) resort to violence. The 21st century is for Islam....it is the time when Islam will be THE global champion. Sharia will come about through democratic means..sheer numbers will carry the day..eh centuary and it's likely there will be no going back.
Posted by: Naseem at February 1, 2005 05:08 AM
C'mon Naseem. Everyone knows that democracy is haram, and unIslamic. Besides, while there's a lot of proselytizing going on (mainly in prisons) and some Muslim immigrants to the west have large families, you're still considerably far away from an all-Islamic world, and, Bat Ye'or et al notwithstanding, it's gonna stay that way.
Most of the world rejects the mindless, beligerent totalitarianism of Islam. And a very large part of the world's nations fought tooth-and-nail to rid themselves of other forms of it, and aren't about to adopt what is nothing more than an early quasi-religious form of totalitarianism.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 1, 2005 9:17 AM
"In my view Islam does not need to (and shouldn't) resort to violence. The 21st century is for Islam....it is the time when Islam will be THE global champion. Sharia will come about through democratic means..sheer numbers will carry the day..eh centuary and it's likely there will be no going back.
Posted by: Naseem at February 1, 2005 05:08 AM
C'mon Naseem. Everyone knows that democracy is haram, and unIslamic. Besides, while there's a lot of proselytizing going on (mainly in prisons) and some Muslim immigrants to the west have large families, you're still considerably far away from an all-Islamic world, and, Bat Ye'or et al notwithstanding, it's gonna stay that way.
Most of the world rejects the mindless, beligerent totalitarianism of Islam. And a very large part of the world's nations fought tooth-and-nail to rid themselves of other forms of it, and aren't about to adopt what is nothing more than an early quasi-religious form of totalitarianism.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 1, 2005 9:17 AM
"In my view Islam does not need to (and shouldn't) resort to violence. The 21st century is for Islam....it is the time when Islam will be THE global champion. Sharia will come about through democratic means..sheer numbers will carry the day..eh centuary and it's likely there will be no going back.
Posted by: Naseem at February 1, 2005 05:08 AM
C'mon Naseem. Everyone knows that democracy is haram, and unIslamic. Besides, while there's a lot of proselytizing going on (mainly in prisons) and some Muslim immigrants to the west have large families, you're still considerably far away from an all-Islamic world, and, Bat Ye'or et al notwithstanding, it's gonna stay that way.
Most of the world rejects the mindless, beligerent totalitarianism of Islam. And a very large part of the world's nations fought tooth-and-nail to rid themselves of other forms of it, and aren't about to adopt what is nothing more than an early quasi-religious form of totalitarianism.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 1, 2005 9:17 AM
The 21st century is for Islam....it is the time when Islam will be THE global champion. Sharia will come about through democratic means..sheer numbers will carry the day..eh centuary and it's likely there will be no going back.
Posted by: Naseem at February 1, 2005 05:08 AM
Dear brainwashed goat: Like hell it will.
Posted by: DCWatson at February 1, 2005 9:19 AM
Naseem, your people, over half of them, are illiterate. Champions of the 21st century? Sharia law is falling apart in sandland, so how do you figure that your imaginary god, dreamed up by a false prophet nut, is saying anything.
How can a cult like Islam survive when the highest goal in a Muslim's afterlife is to sexual in nature? When are you going to realize, and admit that you've believed in an ongoing series of lies?
Islam is not a harmless religion, the koran commands death of non muslims, and no true holy spirit commands this.
Posted by: Prickzilla at February 1, 2005 9:25 AM
Naseem, your people, over half of them, are illiterate. Champions of the 21st century? Sharia law is falling apart in sandland, so how do you figure that your imaginary god, dreamed up by a false prophet nut, is saying anything.
How can a cult like Islam survive when the highest goal in a Muslim's afterlife is sexual in nature? When are you going to realize, and admit that you've believed in an ongoing series of lies?
Islam is not a harmless religion, the koran commands death of non muslims, and no true holy spirit commands this.
Posted by: Prickzilla at February 1, 2005 9:25 AM
I also have a sneaky suspicion concerning Thomas's use of the words:"bloody idiot". A very uncommon American expression. At least in my neck of the woods.
Posted by: kentim at February 1, 2005 12:01 PM
I also have a sneaky suspicion concerning Thomas's use of the words:"bloody idiot". A very uncommon American expression. At least in my neck of the woods.
I have a English friend who is a naturalized citizen. He still swears like they do in "the old country." :) Also, those who watch a great deal of British comedies on PBS often incorporate Britishisms in their speech for fun.
f.g.
Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 1:40 PM
Posted by: Thomas at January 31, 2005 10:19 PM
And what do you say about the Navy puck who gave up the course of the Battle Fleet and told them where to hit the ships ??
And what do you say who threw the granede in the Comanad tent and killed how many Americans and what do you say a boy the Desserter who pretened to be held by Islamic Terrorist then had his lawyer delay the trial so he could run away again??
There are many more examples??
Yes there may be some who are willing to fight for this country but when you can not trust all It is hard to figure out who will shoot you in the back on the Battle Field and it is unfair to ask this of our Brave Soldiers
OH yea noticed you didn't have much to say what is in their book??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me and these Islamic Terrorist are useing Sticks and Stones!!!!
at February 1, 2005 2:08 PM
Naseem:
Par·a·site
* An organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism
* Something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return
PARASITE applies to one who clings to a person(Country) of wealth, power, or influence and is useless to society.
LEECH - Clinging to or bleeding another for one's own advantage .
America - Host
IslamoFacists - Parasitic Leech
Posted by: Kemaste at February 1, 2005 2:22 PM
Posted by: Susanp at February 1, 2005 12:52 AM
Gold Star for you today!!
Wish I could write like that!!
Nasseemm SILLY WOMAN??
Islam can't even get along with it's self??
Look at all the mulsums killing mulsums??
Fathers killing their own sons like on 24 last night??
as for spys this is some thing that has been going on for a very very long time and Your lies don't hunt here??
Ishaq:434 “Amr and an Ansari waited until they were asleep. Then Amr killed them, thinking that he had taken vengeance for the Muslims who had been slain. When he came to the Messenger, he told him what had happened. The Prophet said, ‘You have killed men for whom I shall have to pay blood-money.’”
THIS IS WHAT YOU AND YOURS ARE TRYING FOR KILLING THIS FAMLIY BECAUSE YOUR MONSTER STARTED THE ROCK ROLLING DOWN THE HILL AND IT CAN'T BE STOPPED AND YOU WEREN'T READY??
WE AINT TAKEN THAT PAY??
Tabari VII:158 “Judayy went to Abd Allah Ibn Ubayy to ask for support. He said, ‘I found him sitting among a number of his companions while the Prophet’s crier was calling men to arms. He said, ‘This is a clever trick of Muhammad’s.’ The Messenger of Allah besieged the Nadir Jews for fifteen days. In the end they made peace with him on the condition that the Prophet would not kill them and that their property and their coats of mail would be his.”
Qur’an 9:3 “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Pilgrimage is that Allah and His Messenger dissolve treaty obligations with the Pagans.”
Qur’an 49:9 “If two parties among the Believers fall into fighting, make peace: but if one becomes aggressive, then fight against the one that transgresses until it complies.”
YES YOU WILL ALWAYS BE FIGHTING YOURSELFS SO TELL YOUR LIES TO YOURSELF CAUSE WE CAN'T HEAR YOU??
Ishaq:544 “Muhammad commanded the people to prepare for the foray [raid, incursion, sortie, attack, or assault]. The Messenger informed his troops that he was going to Mecca. He ordered them to prepare themselves and ready their equipment quickly. He said, ‘O Allah, keep spies and news from the Quraysh until we take them by surprise in their land.’”
NOW WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT SPIES???
AND NOT FIGHTING FOR THE LAND IN THEIR LAND??
HISTORY TELLS A STORY WHICH YOU SEAM TO KEEP TO??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Courage ,Wisdom, and Sight to stay the course to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
PS
Zogby poll in Iraq 58% of the People want FREEDOM of Reglion Good thing!!
Posted by: Catherine
at February 1, 2005 2:39 PM
Catherine or Spider Killer:
You have missed the point. Should Muslims be monitored in the military and police? Absolutely. My point is, your comments denigrate the committment made by those Muslims in the military who are working for their country. These individuals have a right to defend their country as much as you do, as long as they are committed to our values and not engaged in taqiyya or the like.
I am well aware of the instances where Muslims have turned against the US. This is why Muslims in the military need to be monitored more closely than they have been. However, to unilaterally say that all Muslims should be kicked out of the militry and police is absolutely wrong and you know it.
I implore you to visit the following website: www.apaam.org. Many of the members of this organisation are Muslim and are proud to serve the United States. These men and women deserve your respect, just as any other American servicemember does. They are placing their lives in danger just like non-Muslim soldiers. If you disrespect these legitimate men and women than you ids respect the flag and freedom!
Cheers
Posted by: Thomas
at February 1, 2005 9:22 PM
Susan:
You stated: If it were up to me, muslims wouldn't even be living in this country. If you will recall, muslims and Islam attacked us (again) on 9-11, which resulted in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Well Susan, I am an American. I was born in the United States (although I now live in NZ). Do you believe I deserve to be stripped of my citizenship because I am Muslim? So I should be painted with the same broad stroke? Interesting...
9/11? I LOST TWO OF MY BEST FRIENDS IN THE TOWERS AT MORGAN STANLEY. So yes, I am intimately familiar with what happened.
Muslims should be monitored closely in sensitive positions, I agree (Muslims should be monitored generally wherever they are). However, to forbid good and genuine Muslims like myself and others I know from serving is an absolute outrage.
It scares the hell out of me that you want people like me (who are moderate and secular Muslims) who are just as American as you to be marginalised and subjugated without a second thought.
Posted by: Thomas
at February 1, 2005 9:33 PM
This is from Sgt Jamal Baadani, A Muslim-American, fighting on the frontlines of teh war on terror
WE WILL NEVER FORGET
September 11th, 2001
We remember and we pray for our fellow Americans lost on 9.11.2001
We will never forget the impact 9.11 had on our country and the impact it had on us as both Americans and Arab Americans. As Americans we grieved for the loss of life caused to our fellow Americans. We grieved as Arab Americans because as Arab Americans we found ourselves in receipt of backlash and discrimination at the hand of our fellow Americans due to the actions caused by Muslim extremists.
There were over 1,300 cases of backlash and discrimination and eight deaths (homicides) caused directly after 9.11.
We in the military found that our Patriotism and Service to our country was put into question by our fellow Americans. Doubt that still continues today.
We rallied together to use our uniform and our contributions in the military to prove to America that Arab Americans were not tied or associated to the perpetrators of 9.11. We used our uniform as a teaching tool to help educate our fellow Americans about the difference.
We found that there were over 3,500 Arab Americans serving in the military. We also found that Arab Americans have been serving this great country since WWI. We have fought in every climb and place to protect the freedom of America. Hundreds of Arab and Muslim Americans, including myself, are currently deployed overseas contributing with the GWOT (Global War on Terrorism). We are committed to eradicating and ending terrorism once and for all.
We serve in memory of our fellow Americans lost on 9.11.2001
God Bless America,
Jamal S. Baadani
Gunnery Sergeant, US Marine Corps
APAAM-Associaton of Patriotic Arab Americans in Military
www.apaam.org
at February 1, 2005 11:17 PM
Mr. Haidon, you say you are a moderate muslim. How is that possible? I read your discussion with Nonie Darwish and Wahlid Shoebat at
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles?ReadArticle.asp?ID=14358 and it just confounds me how you as an intelligent and educated man can as Nonie Darwish said "embrace a new religion that they have acknowledged as having many challenges and need reformation."
at February 2, 2005 4:09 PM
That article was from July 30th 2004.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 2, 2005 4:15 PM
Hi Carolyn:
While I mean no disrespect to you, I must say that I am contsantly being presented with this question, and frankly it is getting a bit tiresome.
I became Muslim, not out of hatred for Christianity or society, but because of what I read in the Qu'ran (through a non-literalist perspective). Did I read Chapter 9? Of course I did. However, to me, it was never meant to be taken literally. I am against abslute literalism of any religious text. And my rejection of the Muslim tradition (because the Quran does not specifically authorise it).
My "version" of Islam is a pluralistic one, and one that is free from the constratints of Muslim tradition. Readers at Jihad Watch, never seem to grasp the fact that Hadith and Sunnah are man-made. They think that you cannot separate Quran from Sunnah. Well, I have and so have many other Muslims, and it has had a huge imact on our outlook. Without the shackles of the Muslim tradition, we can make Islam what we want to make of it. And we are!
And to be sure, simply rejecting the Sunnah does not solve our problems because a literal, plain meaning approach to Quranic intrpretation still presents problems. This is why a non-literal appraoch is essential. I follow this approach, and this is why I remain a Muslim.
Yours sincerely
Thomas Haidon
at February 2, 2005 5:32 PM
Thank you for your answer. I sincerely hope that someone somewhere has the answer to the most perilous times the world has ever seen.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 2, 2005 7:11 PM
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