Gawd!

"Several Muslim community leaders said on Monday that they were unaware of the existence of the Web site and denounced it when told about the content.

"It is very sick," said Mohamed El Filali, spokesman for the Islamic Center of Passaic County. "Nobody should be harmed because of a person's opinion." "

Words like this make me sick! These practised high priests of taqiyya verbally diarrheating all over the free world's press yet again... ain't a pretty sight anymore. Nope, no sir.

Posted by: voletti at February 1, 2005 2:15 PM

all hacked from his home computer

Everyone needs a good firewall. You shouldn't connect a computer to the Internet without one. ZoneAlarm has an excellent free firewall program. I use their full suite of firewall and virus software which you do have to pay for and have been pleased with it. I do not work for ZoneAlarm, hold stock in it, or have any other motivation to say this other than "Protect yourself from Islamic hackers!"

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 2:24 PM

Local and state police, and the FBI, and Treasury officials, and firemen, and National Guard, Reserve, and regular army troops, should be given courses in what the Shari'a teaches about those who commit the crime of blasphemy of Islam (as Muslims see it), those who commit the crime of apostasy, and those whose crime, uncommitted but eternal, is that of being Infidels who resist, merely by persisting in being Infidels, the Call to Islam.

Unless this is done, puzzlement by those who should be best, not least informed, and whose own confusion can directly affect the quality of our own security, will continue. No solicitude for Muslim sensibilities can be permitted to interfere. Truths, unpleasant truths, about the teachings of Islam, and the attitudes they engender in a great many Muslims, must be told. If some Muslims do not share in those beliefs, or in those attitudes, it will certainly take more than mere assertion to cause Infidels, so badly abused, and by now so greatly disabused, in all the examples of taqiyya/kitman that are such a distinctive feature of how "moderate" Muslims insist on presenting Islam (or perhaps the word "moderate" should be stripped from their description, given that they help to render Infidels unwary), what of it? Do they expect Infidels to limit their discussion of Islam only to those matters which will not give offense to Muslims, when it is Infidels who are under physical threat, and whose civilizations are being undone, or at least the attempt at undoing them is underway, by Da'wa and demography.

Nowhere that Islam went did the lands islamized, or, still worse both islamized and arabized, become better as a result, from the intellectual or moral standpoint. They became not more, not less primitive. Christian North Africa, with Tertullian and St. Augustine, descended into not only the Barbary pirates, but the barbarism into which it is relapsing after the brief period of civilisation -- called by some "colonialism" -- that it experienced. Arabia, both felix and petraea, happy in its unmerited oil wealth and stonily immured in its own now well-funded fanaticism, never went beyond not the pre-Islamic but what one might call the Islamic "Jahiliyya." Was the civilization of Persia improved by what the Arabs brought it? What of Persian verse reflects Islam --- is it not, rather, that the verses of Sa'adi, Firdowsi, Hafiz, Omar Khayyam and others are beautiful because, in essence, they could have been written without Islam, or despite Islam? And is this not true, too, of Persian miniatures, which aside from mosques and the folk-art of carpets, are the only examples of artistic expression that was available? Were the Seljuk and then the Ottoman Turks an improvement on the rich civilization of Byzantium -- the remannts of which still attract uncomprehending tourists to Turkey, who fail to realize that aside from a handful of Sinan's mosques, what attracts them to Turkey is the so-called "palimipest," or rather, the pre-Islamic monuments that remain, from ruins of classical antiquity, to the frescoes in the Kariye Djami (see the reproductions in Underwood's 3-vols. in the Bollingen series).

The horrifically circumscribed expression, in Islam, of the artistic impulse (with scultpture, almost all painting, and music eliminated for Believers, what was left save for calligraphy, mosque architecture, and those Persian or Indian miniatures that are full of local color, and provide nice illustrations for Esposito-like coffee-table romps through the history of Islam, or those books that Turkish banks like to subsidize, full of turbaned Turks and Iznik tiles, and quaint ceremonies), the abrupt end of "Islamic science" -- that is, to any significant contribution to the development of science once the conquered non-Muslim populations had died out (pace Ihsanoglu or, at a much lower level, the hysterical George Saliba , whose little contretemps with Toby Huff on why Islamic science collapsed can be read with amusement), the entire history of Muslim dependence on the exploitation of non-Muslim populations which is the least studied, and understood, part of Islamic history.

Even now that within dar al-Islam those non-Muslims have been largely killed, or driven out (Constantinople was 50% non-Muslim in 1914; today Istanbul is 1-2% non-Muslim; the wordliness of Alexandria, of Cairo, of Baghdad, of Beirut, of Algiers, all dependend on the existence of non-Muslims who have departed or been driven out, never to return). This is a general principle: the Muslim states are becoming ever more Muslim, driving out, as they can no longer exploit in the same way, their non-Muslim populations. Consider Pakistan. At its birth, 15% of the population of West Pakistan was Hindu. It is now down to 1%. In East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, 38% of the population was Hindu in 1947 -- now it is 8%. But in India the percentage of the populatin that is Muslim has gone steadily up, given the overbreeding of Muslims. It is the same all over Europe and North America: more and more Muslims within the dar al-Harb, fewer and fewer non-Muslims within dar al-Islam. This cannot continue, without the inevitable primitivizing of culture, and limits on free expression, and free inquiry, that are already being demanded by Muslim populations censoring, by threats or worse, plays and movies and books and newspaper articles, all over the Western world. In the handful of Muslim-run countries that still have significant non-Muslim populations, those populations are exploited or persecuted everywhere. Think of the Copts in Egypt, the black Africans whose oil has been seized in the southern Sudan, the Ibo and other Christians in southern Nigeria whose oil has been seized by the northern, Muslim military caste (aided and abetted by some bribed "Christian" leaders in the national government of Nigeria), and whose superior economic skills are exploited for the benefit of the Muslim north. Think of the "Bumiputra" system which requires non-Muslims in Malaysia to hire and share profits from all economic enterprises with Muslim Malays (but not with the real "sons of the soil," the Christianized tribes who represent the indigenous Malayan population). Everywhere it is the same story.

We are all familiar with those touching or appalling "Personal Ads" in the back, say, of an alumni magazine, where the lovelorn like to advertise the catholicity of their tastes to a prospective grow-old-along-with-me or, at the very least, gather-ye-rosebuds-while-ye-may mate, the kind of Personal Ad that inevitably is meant to display just the right blend of High Culture and a sense of Downhome Earthiness, of High and Low: "Like Umbrian hill towns and low dishonest dives on 57th street, country girl but still stash my Manolo Blahniks in Southhampton, like long walks in Nantucket or the Marais, once went for Joan Baez and Vivaldi, but now favor re-runs of Homer Simpson and Masterpiece Theatre..."

Well, the same device can be employed here to sum up that Western civilization we hear so much about, and which not everyone is so willing to jettison, through quick apocalypse or that "gentle death" which its eastern branch, in North Africa and the Middle East,experienced.

So here's our Personal Ad for Western Civilization, to be placed in the back, and front, of very damned alumni magazine that exists anywhere:

"Still interested in our civilization, and like to go for long walks down memory lane with Leonardo and Joseph Cornell, Mozart and Fats Waller, Schubert and Jack Teagarden, Eugene Onegin and the Divine Comedy and Hamlet and King Lear, the structure of DNA, the atom, volcanoes and butterflies, Balthus and baby aspirin and Bach and Barnaby Rudge and Bend Sinister and Robert Benchley and Barbaresco by Gaja --and so much more, that if we felt like it, we could continue this list until it would be practically as numerous as the grains of sand grain in every desolate dune from Damascus to Abu Dhabi. Got that?"

Posted by: Hugh at February 1, 2005 2:42 PM

Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 02:24 PM

Friend of mine told me to put in a biger maz??

Feel better now!!

Still wondering if the FBI will tell the people who's pictures found??

UP In MN and from Lebonon isn't that where that Deserter Marine was from and ran back to??

Sounds like some wood piles need to be gone through??

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Posted by: Catherine at February 1, 2005 2:47 PM

Take a look at this post that I was sent on another website. I meet way to many people with this idea and it is scary.

"And that is the biggest problem with that website, it is biased, it is targetting people and calling them evil because they believe in something that actually isn't that different from what you believe in. The Islamic religion actually is a very peaceful one, more so than Christianity, if you look into the Islamic texts you will find it more of a basis of building a community than anything else.

Just like every religion is has extremists, but that is fed by a fear of a few losing there power over the many. Hate, Fear, Hate, Fear... Hang on I've already said that, applying it to a certain election campaign... lol

You really have to look at other points of view, and find yourself some unbiased media to read before it warps your brain too much. I suggest trying the BBC (if you get over the tag that is supposedly a liberial media group by certain Right Wing Newsmedia), they are very good at presenting the facts - not an opinion."

The BBC??? give me a break. The site that he is mentioning is the great jihadwatch.org.

Posted by: bart at February 1, 2005 2:53 PM

"And that is the biggest problem with that website, it is biased, it is targetting people and calling them evil because they believe in something that actually isn't that different from what you believe in. The Islamic religion actually is a very peaceful one, more so than Christianity, if you look into the Islamic texts you will find it more of a basis of building a community than anything else.

Yes, a Muslim community, and only a Muslim community. Forget about it, we're on to the game. Taqiyya isn't going to work. You've been had.

Posted by: DCWatson at February 1, 2005 2:56 PM

Friend of mine told me to put in a biger maz??

I don't understand what a "biger maz" is. I'm not even sure if you're asking or telling me something here.

Catherine, may I suggest "The New Well-Tempered Sentence : A Punctuation Handbook for the Innocent, the Eager, and the Doomed". It is a very witty and fun book. I have the previous edition and found it to be a useful reference.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 3:02 PM

May I suggest Mozilla Firefox? I

Excellent suggestion. I use Firefox also. It is just a better browser all around. Just so that someone reading this won't be confused. Just using Firefox isn't enough, you need a firewall, virus software, and a spyware killer. I use adaware, another freebe, for spyware.

Never get on the Internet without a raincoat my friends.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 3:08 PM

yahoo gives away free antispyware if you have an account with them. and the sp2 pack from microsoft packs a super mighty firewall with a super mighty popup blocker. it won't even let you download anything unless you give it special permission.

Posted by: bart at February 1, 2005 3:14 PM

Hugh
Gold Star for you today!!

But American Hope is not lost!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145931,00.html
Free Speech? High Schoolers Say, 'Whatever'
Monday, January 31, 2005

WASHINGTON — The way many high school students see it, government censorship (search) of newspapers may not be a bad thing, and flag burning is hardly protected free speech.

About half the students said the government can restrict any indecent material on the Internet.

More than 100,000 students, nearly 8,000 teachers and more than 500 administrators at 544 public and private high schools took part in early 2004.

YOU HAVE TO ASK WHAT IS INDECENT TO THESE YOUNG AMERICANS LOOKS LIKE BURNING THE AMERICAN FLAG IS ONE??

AND WHEN THEY SEE THE PRESS SIDING WITH THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST SAYING I AM NOT AN AMERICAN I AM A JORNIELIST THIS PISSES THEM OFF NO I READ THIS AS A GOOD THING!!

SURE DAN RATHER DOES NOT??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144226,00.html
Men Arrested for Telling Lawyer Jokes
Thursday, January 13, 2005

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. — Did you hear the one about the two guys arrested for telling lawyer jokes? It happened this week to the founders of a group called Americans for Legal Reform (), who were waiting in line to get into a Long Island courthouse.
"How do you tell when a lawyer is lying?" Harvey Kash reportedly asked Carl Lanzisera.
"His lips are moving," they said in unison.
While some waiting to get into the courthouse giggled, a lawyer farther up the line Monday was not laughing.
He told them to pipe down, and when they did not, the lawyer reported the pair to court personnel, who charged them with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor.
"They just can't take it," Kash said of lawyers in general. "This violates our First Amendment () rights."
Dan Bagnuola, a spokesman for the Nassau County () courts, said the men were "being abusive and they were causing a disturbance." He said he did not have the name of the lawyer who complained.
Americans for Legal Reform monitors the courts and uses confrontational tactics to push for greater access for the public. The pair said that for years they have stood outside courthouses on Long Island and mocked lawyers.
On Monday, however, Kash said he was due in court to answer a drunken driving charge from a year and a half ago. The men are due back in court on the disorderly conduct charge next month

NOW WAS THIS THE FREE SPEACH THE KIDS WERE TALKING ABOUT NOW IF WE CAN CHARGE PEOPLE WITH TELLING BAD JOKES CAN'T WE CHARGE MULSUMS FOR HATE SPEACH??

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Posted by: Catherine at February 1, 2005 3:18 PM

Wait wait wait....Hoooooolditt! We're in the wrong. According to the Council on American Islamic "Relations", who posted the following story, we've really been screwing up. It seems that instead of judging Islam, we should've been judging the charachter of Muslims.

Wait a minute, what?

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=35918&theType=NB

Posted by: Prickzilla at February 1, 2005 3:28 PM

Posted by: bart at February 1, 2005 02:53 PM

Did yu share with them some of the sweetness of the qu-ran like kill all jews and other such about not taken Jews and Christians as Friends??

Just post the quran it's self and watch the hate really come through??

Remember there are so many to choose from??

f.g.??

Will try but I am sure a few here get it??

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Posted by: Catherine at February 1, 2005 3:31 PM

Catherine,

You excluded a good portion of that story. In particular this quote:

'These results are not only disturbing; they are dangerous,'' said Hodding Carter III, president of the Miami-based John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, which sponsored the $1 million study. ``Ignorance about the basics of this free society is a danger to our nation's future.''

I agree with Hodding Carter. These students need an education.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 3:32 PM

"and the sp2 pack from microsoft packs a super mighty firewall with a super mighty popup blocker. it won't even let you download anything unless you give it special permission."

The windows firewall is crap, it does not stop outgoing traffic. So for instance someone gets spyware or a worm on your machine it can broadcast that traffic all it wants, use zonealarm, it's safer, and allows you to decide what you let in and out.

mohammad Cursing Christian
Morguerat

Posted by: morguerat at February 1, 2005 3:46 PM

Posted by: Prickzilla at February 1, 2005 03:28 PM

Gold Star for you today!!

LOVED THE PART??

Despite the best efforts of Muslim leaders, anti-Muslim sentiment is
sweeping Jersey City, N.J. for the third time, and it's going to take more
than the involvement of Muslim and Christian leaders to quell the discord.

WHAT IS WE SAY ABOUT 3 STRIKES AND YOUR OUT??

AND THIS CRY AS WELL??

Even if Muslims are eventually charged in the deaths, all of Islam cannot
and must not be blamed. Remember, in our nation, a person is supposed to be
judged by the content of his character, not his religion.

THEY NEVER SEAM TO ADMIT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM??

CAN NOT SHOW A MOVIE BECAUSE THE MULSUMS WILL CAUSE TROUBLE??

http://www.ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050130/ap_en_mo/netherlands_van_gogh
Slain Dutch Director's Film Canceled
Sun Jan 30, 6:15 PM ET
By ANTHONY DEUTSCH, Associated Press Writer
ROTTERDAM, Netherlands - Citing security concerns, organizers of the Rotterdam Film Festival called off Sunday's screening of a short film by murdered Dutch moviemaker Theo van Gogh that has outraged some Muslims
A suspected Islamic extremist allegedly shot and stabbed van Gogh to death in November shortly after the release of the film, "Submission," which is a fierce critique of the treatment of women under Islam written by an anti-immigration member of parliament.
Column Productions, which holds the rights to the film, said the decision to cancel the showing was made "on the basis of security concerns," but did not elaborate.
"We can say nothing more about the nature of this case, apart from saying that we have been advised to be careful with screenings like the one intended in Rotterdam," the company said in a statement.
The decision drew criticism from some directors and artists at the festival, who argued that limiting free expression was giving in to terrorists.
Another van Gogh film, "06/05," about the murder of Dutch anti-immigration politician Pim Fortuyn in 2002, premiered at the festival Sunday evening.
Van Gogh was putting the final touches on that full-length movie when he was slain Nov. 2. His throat was cut and a note left by the killer threatened jihad, or Islamic holy war, against nonbelievers.
Mohammed Bouyeri, 26, has been charged with murder and terrorism and is scheduled to go on trial this summer, along with 12 other people tied to the killing.
Van Gogh's slaying was followed by dozens of arson attacks against mosques and counterattacks on Christian churches over a two-week period.
"In the Netherlands, the cellars opened up and the hate for foreigners that had been penned up for so long came gushing out," historian Geert Mak told an audience of international filmmakers who had hoped to see "Submission" on Sunday.
Van Gogh's movies often have been screened at the Rotterdam festival, one of the world's largest gatherings of independent and experimental filmmakers. The festival runs through Feb. 6

MAN THE TRUTH HURTS DON'T IT!!!!

f.g.
Yes I left out the part that didn't matter the Kids think that BURNING THE FLAG OF THIS NATION SHOULD BE A CRIME BECAUSE THEY LOVE THIS COUNTRY!!!

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Posted by: Catherine at February 1, 2005 3:47 PM

Remember, in our nation, a person is supposed to be
judged by the content of his character, not his religion.

In our nation? This isn't their nation. That makes me sick everytime they call the US their nation. They don't deserve to live here. Hopefully some day they'll be walking out of their precious little offices and BLAM! A fast moving chevy will make a mess of them.

Posted by: Prickzilla at February 1, 2005 4:04 PM

I really don't suspect that patrotism factors in as much as ignorance and apathey. Just what article did you read?

From "http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002166500_students01.html">Seattle Times;
The results reflected indifference, with nearly three in" four students saying they took the First Amendment for granted or didn't know how they felt about it. It was also clear that many students do not understand what is protected by the Bill of Rights."

As distasteful as I find the burning of the flag it is not unlawful, and for a reason.

As much someone elses opinion may rub me wrong I live in a country where they are free to express that opinion without fear. The first amendment is a jewel, a highly polished diamond, a national treasure that must be preserved for future generations even if they don't or can't appreciate it until they have a few years under their belt.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 4:10 PM

****CAIR LEGISLATION ALERT****
http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=issuesAndLegislations

REAL ID
Bill # H.R.418

Original Sponsor:
F. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI 5th)

Cosponsor Total: 114
(last sponsor added 01/26/2005)
1 Democrats
113 Republicans

About This Legislation:
Introduced: January 26, 2005

CAIR OPPOSES for the following reasons:

(1) The bill makes it harder for people fleeing persecution to gain asylum in the U.S.

(2) The bill also states: “An alien who is an officer, official, representative or spokesman of the Palestine Liberation Organization is considered, for purposes of this Act, to be engaged in a terrorist activity.” If enacted, this would terminate the current high hopes that the new situation in the Palestinian Territories can lead to a just peace.

Outlook: Though the measure should win House passage, it may face more resistance in the Senate. (Text taken from Congressional Quarterly.)

CAIR is lobbying against this legislation (is it any wonder why - it deals with PLO terrorists). Contact your House representative and express your support for this bill here:

www.congress.org

Posted by: Mike at February 1, 2005 4:12 PM

Oh great hit post instead of preview on that last post and screwed up that link. Sorry about that.

Here it is for real:

Seattle Times First Amendment goes "too far," say students in survey. An API story.

Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 4:16 PM

by Hugh:

"Nowhere that Islam went did the lands islamized, or, still worse both islamized and arabized, become better as a result, from the intellectual or moral standpoint."

Islam gobbled up entire civilizations whole and claimed advances of those civilizations at their own. Think Egypt, Persia.

Even algebra (yeah, the word is Arabic) developed in northern Iran in a milieu of ancient Persian learning.

Some speculate that in the absence of the Moghul invasions of India and the reactions imposed by the invaders, India would have had the first industrial revolution.

Posted by: Howard at February 1, 2005 4:27 PM

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 04:10 PM

PAY ATT. You say you have the freedom to say what ever you want then why OH why??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144226,00.html
Men Arrested for Telling Lawyer Jokes
Thursday, January 13, 2005

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. — Did you hear the one about the two guys arrested for telling lawyer jokes? It happened this week to the founders of a group called Americans for Legal Reform (), who were waiting in line to get into a Long Island courthouse.
"How do you tell when a lawyer is lying?" Harvey Kash reportedly asked Carl Lanzisera.
"His lips are moving," they said in unison.
While some waiting to get into the courthouse giggled, a lawyer farther up the line Monday was not laughing.
He told them to pipe down, and when they did not, the lawyer reported the pair to court personnel, who charged them with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor.
"They just can't take it," Kash said of lawyers in general. "This violates our First Amendment () rights."
Dan Bagnuola, a spokesman for the Nassau County () courts, said the men were "being abusive and they were causing a disturbance." He said he did not have the name of the lawyer who complained.
Americans for Legal Reform monitors the courts and uses confrontational tactics to push for greater access for the public. The pair said that for years they have stood outside courthouses on Long Island and mocked lawyers.
On Monday, however, Kash said he was due in court to answer a drunken driving charge from a year and a half ago. The men are due back in court on the disorderly conduct charge next month

SO SEE SPEACH IS NOT FREE!!

Posted by: Mike at February 1, 2005 04:12 PM

This is great and he wanted to put the drivers lic. in this bill TOO good to see CAIR against it just shows that they are not for the saftey of the American People!!

Know that some congress members are worried when they call me for money I give them a piece of my mind and tell them until they stand up and do some thing aint getting my money or my vote??

Helped put them there now it is time for them to do what is right by the American People!!

I mean did we play patty cake with the Germans during WW2??

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PS
Notice the Air service[traning arabs remember 2 were 9/11 guys] is not much in the news?? Do you think CAIR will go down there to support him??

Posted by: Catherine at February 1, 2005 4:29 PM

Catherine,

You must have skipped too many Government and American History classes Catherine. That is about polite as I know how to put it.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 4:44 PM

Congressman Sensenbrenner's bill should be sponosored by more Democrats. It would also, one hopes, cover not only those who in any support the PLO (or Hamas, Hezbollah, and a thousand similar groups, sponsors of Jihad far outside the Middle East, whose particular names are unimportant), but also those who have in any way worked for any propgaganda organization responsible for the deaths of Americans -- such as Al-Jazeera. And the bill should be used, quite consciously, to prevent the children of such people from being sent to America, as one Al-Jazeera executive so confidently put it, "to escape the Arab nightmare" and "embrace the American dream." That option should not be available to the families of those who participate in making the lives of American soldiers, or civilians, more rather than less imperiled. Try Al-Azhar, or Bir Zeit, or some seminary in Qom, for a really top-ho education. The Western world should be off-limits, except to those who have demonstrated quite a different attitude. Eventually, word will get around, and working for Al-Jazeera could become a Third Rail for Arabs and Muslims wishing to both destroy the West, and to escape to "the American dream."

A friend of mine reports that a new Turkish hairdresser who did her hair began to tell her how wonderful Turkey had become since it "became Islamic again" and getting closer to "Sharia." This puzzled her, as the hairdresser's own inclinations were so obviously the kind of thing that might be severely punished (see how the Egyptian or Saudi governments, or the PLO, does to homosexuals who are not among the rulng elite). The disconnect between what this hairdresser's own fate under Sharia would be, and his enthusiasm for it, is widely shared.

Those who recognize "the Arab nightmare" and want their children to experience the "American dream" but work to extend that nightmare, and extinguish that dream, need to be shaken, and more than shaken. They need to have their complacent plans utterly disrupted. There are all sorts of Muslims who denounce America, denounce Infidels, and in the next breath, ask how they can possibly get a visa to America, for themselves or their children. Why should Americans want to allow such people in? What's in it for us? This does not improve our own wellbeing, our security. It is a sure way to swell the ranks of Muslims, to increase their political and economic power, to encourage the already vast effforts at apologetics, sowing taqiyya and dissension, terrorizing others from discussing certain matters on and off campus, and so on. And then there is the vast and growing cost of monitoring a Muslim population. We have every right not to commit national or civilizational suicide. Sensenbrenner's bill is an absolute minimal measure. Anyone who opposes it is making our lives more difficult, unpleasant, expensive, and dangerous.

____________________________________

A posting from April 14, 2004, reposted with a slight addition last November 26, bears reposting yet again:

"A recent article (April 2) by A. O. Scott in the New York Times, about a soi-disant documentary devoted to Al-Jazeera, writes sympathetically of a "balding, rumpled" Saleem Khader. And Mr. Khader, who is presented as a man of some complexity -- the evidence adduced for this implausible idea, given that he works not for a news organization, even a bad one, but for a propaganda network that is not a bit better than anything the Nazis produced, and is responsible for the deaths of many American soldiers, and civilians -- is that he berates another Al-Jazeera employee for carrying an interview with an American anti-war activist, berates him becasue the interviewee is, as Sameer Khader has it, unrepresentative. Great.

But the important part of the tale is this: Khadeer lets Ms. Noujaim (yes, the "Harvard-educated" Egyptian-born Ms. Noujaim -- the Ivy League touch is de rigueur here; shows she's one of us, inhabits the same intellectual climate, and so on) know that he, Sameer Khader, a collaborator of al-Jazeera, and hence a collaborator in an instrument of Jihad that has been directly responsible for American deaths (ask General Kimmitt, or Sanchez, or Abizaid, or any of the soldiers now in Iraq) complacently tells her that he is going to send his own children to university in the United States, so that they can taste the "American dream" and avoid the "Arab nightmare" (the very nightmare which he is helping to prolong).

Not so fast, buster. It would be absolutely outrageous to allow this man, who has participated in such an organization, to assume that when it comes time for him to arrange his childrens' future, the little matter of his participation in a sinister organization like Al-Jazeera will not weigh heavily against him. If he, and all the other Muslim Arabs who think they can act and write as they do, whipping up hatred, and trafficking in lies (even if some of them are slightly less enthusiastic about it, or do it only 90% of the time, not 100%), and then go off to the West as a combination funhouse-and-brothel, and get medical care in Boston or the Mayo Clinic, and send their children to American or other Western universities -- well, it's time to put paid to that assumption. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that would get their attention more, and modify future behavior more, than condemning their own children to the prison of their own awful countries and societies. Yes, of course one can argue that, in the first place, the "sins of the fathers..." But there is no right to be allowed in to the United States, much less to be given a student visa. It is a way, an effective way that does not require the risking of American lives, and that will help save American lives, if those involved in such enterprises realize that they cannot visit the United States, cannot have their children take full advantage of what they, in their schizophrenia, secretly recognize to be superior to the dar al-Islam which they are doing their utmost, willy-nilly, to expand. And to the argument that one way to get people to change is "to let them experience the United States for themselves." Nonsense. Plenty of Arabs have experienced the United States, and are living here as immigrants right now -- and their experience has not changed one whit their attitude of hostility and menace.

By starting to deny the great privilege of living, even for a short period, in the United States, or the other countries of the advanced West, to the relatives of those implicated in the propaganda war, this will eventually have an enormous effect on the behavior and on the career choices, of those who in the future may be considering working for Al-Jazeera and similar organs of hate, hysteria, and lies. They will have to think twice, before putting their talents to work for the Jihad, spouting antisemitic and anti-American propaganda. There will be consequences--their children are going to have to remain, and live, in the world that they are helping to create. They will not be allowed, themselves, the escape-hatch of the West. That itself should cause them to behave a bit more responsibly, when their own children's future is at stake.

If they have talent, so much the worse for them that they lent that talent to evil. Goebbels was extremely talented; was Leni Reifenstahl; so were a host of others who worked for the Nazis, or for Stalin.

Write your Congressmen. Make sure no close relative of anyone working for Al-Jazeera ever gets an entry visa. That will be one more useful anti-Jihad measure that costs nothing, and risks no American lives.

End of reprint. No one associated with Al-Jazeera, nor family members, should be allowed into the United States, or for that matter into any Western country that still wants to be considered a member of the Western alliance -- or of NATO. Sanctions should be imposed on those states who help ease the way for those who work for a station that has American soldiers' blood -- and that of civilians, come to think of it -- all over its hands."

Posted by: Hugh at February 1, 2005 5:13 PM

OT:

TORONTO, CANADA

The Arab Students' Collective Organizes 'Israeli Apartheid Week'

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050201/D87VDIUG0.html

Posted by: Mike at February 1, 2005 5:27 PM

The disconnect between what this hairdresser's own fate under Sharia would be, and his enthusiasm for it, is widely shared.

Ignorance of Sharia law and ignorance of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights do nothing but undermine freedom and liberty.

Just as that foolish woman would gladly walk into a death trap in Turkey many people here in the states would undermine the Constitution and Bill of Rights out of ignorance and false patriotism. This should concern us all.

The Constitution of the United States and The Bill of Rights are two of the most important documents ever put to paper. Many, many, people have died to preserve and protect it. We would dishonor them and put the knife to our own throats if we don't protect the basic freedoms outlined in those documents. Foolish proclamations of patriotism when linked with statements or acts that undermine those documents are false patriotism indeed and should be seen for what they are: Dangerous ignorance, and anti-freedom.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 1, 2005 5:28 PM

US SUPPORTS GLOBAL DRUGS TRADE

"In my 30-year history in the Drug Enforcement Administration and related agencies, the major targets of my investigation almost invariably turned out to be working for the CIA. (Dennis Lyle, former chief of an elite DEA enforcement unit).

HERE'S A LITTLE MORE TRUTH THAT MIGHT HURT TOO:

A Tangled Web: A History of CIA Complicity in Drug International Trafficking
Institute for Policy Studies
WORLD WAR II
The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) and the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), the CIA's parent and sister organizations, cultivate relations with the leaders of the Italian Mafia, recruiting heavily from the New York and Chicago underworlds, whose members, including Charles `Lucky' Luciano, Meyer Lansky, Joe Adonis, and Frank Costello, help the agencies keep in touch with Sicilian Mafia leaders exiled by Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. Domestically, the aim is to prevent sabotage on East Coast ports, while in Italy the goal is to gain intelligence on Sicily prior to the allied invasions and to suppress the burgeoning Italian Communist Party. Imprisoned in New York, Luciano earns a pardon for his wartime service and is deported to Italy, where he proceeds to build his heroin empire, first by diverting supplies from the legal market, before developing connections in Lebanon and Turkey that supply morphine base to labs in Sicily. The OSS and ONI also work closely with Chinese gangsters who control vast supplies of opium, morphine and heroin, helping to establish the third pillar of the post-world War II heroin trade in the Golden Triangle, the border region of Thailand, Burma, Laos and China's Yunnan Province.

1947
In its first year of existence, the CIA continues U.S. intelligence community's anti-communist drive. Agency operatives help the Mafia seize total power in Sicily and it sends money to heroin-smuggling Corsican mobsters in Marseille to assist in their battle with Communist unions for control of the city's docks. By 1951, Luciano and the Corsicans have pooled their resources, giving rise to the notorious `French Connection' which would dominate the world heroin trade until the early 1970s. The CIA also recruits members of organized crime gangs in Japan to help ensure that the country stays in the non-communist world. Several years later, the Japanese Yakuza emerges as a major source of methamphetamine in Hawaii.

1949
Chinese Communist revolution causes collapse of drug empire allied with U.S. intelligence community, but a new one quickly emerges under the command of Nationalist (KMT) General Li Mi, who flees Yunnan into eastern Burma. Seeking to rekindle anticommunist resistance in China, the CIA provides arms, ammunition and other supplies to the KMT. After being repelled from China with heavy losses, the KMT settles down with local population and organizes and expands the opium trade from Burma and Northern Thailand. By 1972, the KMT controls 80 percent of the Golden Triangle's opium trade.

1950
The CIA launches Project Bluebird to determine whether certain drugs might improve its interrogation methods. This eventually leads CIA head Allen Dulles, in April 1953, to institute a program for `covert use of biological and chemical materials' as part of the agency's continuing efforts to control behavior. With benign names such as Project Artichoke and Project Chatter, these projects continue through the 1960s, with hundreds of unwitting test subjects given various drugs, including LSD.

1960
In support of the U.S. war in Vietnam, the CIA renews old and cultivates new relations with Laotian, Burmese and Thai drug merchants, as well as corrupt military and political leaders in Southeast Asia. Despite the dramatic rise of heroin production, the agency's relations with these figures attracts little attention until the early 1970s.

1967
Manuel Antonio Noriega goes on the CIA payroll. First recruited by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency in 1959, Noriega becomes an invaluable asset for the CIA when he takes charge of Panama's intelligence service after the 1968 military coup, providing services for U.S. covert operations and facilitating the use of Panama as the center of U.S. intelligence gathering in Latin America. In 1976, CIA Director George Bush pays Noriega $110,000 for his services, even though as early as 1971 U.S. officials agents had evidence that he was deeply involved in drug trafficking. Although the Carter administration suspends payments to Noriega, he returns to the U.S. payroll when President Reagan takes office in 1981. The general is rewarded handsomely for his services in support of Contras forces in Nicaragua during the 1980s, collecting $200,000 from the CIA in 1986 alone.

MAY 1970
A Christian Science Monitor correspondent reports that the CIA `is cognizant of, if not party to, the extensive movement of opium out of Laos,' quoting one charter pilot who claims that `opium shipments get special CIA clearance and monitoring on their flights southward out of the country.' At the time, some 30,000 U.S. service men in Vietnam are addicted to heroin.

1972
The full story of how Cold War politics and U.S. covert operations fueled a heroin boom in the Golden Triangle breaks when Yale University doctoral student Alfred McCoy publishes his ground-breaking study, The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia. The CIA attempts to quash the book.

1973
Thai national Puttapron Khramkhruan is arrested in connection with the seizure of 59 pounds of opium in Chicago. A CIA informant on narcotics trafficking in northern Thailand, he claims that agency had full knowledge of his actions. According to the U.S. Justice Department, the CIA quashed the case because it may `prove embarrassing because of Mr. Khramkhruans's involvement with CIA activities in Thailand, Burma, and elsewhere.'

JUNE 1975
Mexican police, assisted by U.S. drug agents, arrest Alberto Sicilia Falcon, whose Tijuana-based operation was reportedly generating $3.6 million a week from the sale of cocaine and marijuana in the United States. The Cuban exile claims he was a CIA protege, trained as part of the agency's anti-Castro efforts, and in exchange for his help in moving weapons to certain groups in Central America, the CIA facilitated his movement of drugs. In 1974, Sicilia's top aide, Jose Egozi, a CIA-trained intelligence officer and Bay of Pigs veteran, reportedly lined up agency support for a right-wing plot to overthrow the Portuguese government. Among the top Mexican politicians, law enforcement and intelligence officials from whom Sicilia enjoyed support was Miguel Nazar Haro, head of the Direccion Federal de Seguridad (DFS), who the CIA admits was its `most important source in Mexico and Central America.' When Nazar was linked to a multi-million-dollar stolen car ring several years later, the CIA intervenes to prevent his indictment in the United States.

APRIL 1978
Soviet-backed coup in Afghanistan sets stage for explosive growth in Southwest Asian heroin trade. New Marxist regime undertakes vigorous anti-narcotics campaign aimed at suppressing poppy production, triggering a revolt by semi-autonomous tribal groups that traditionally raised opium for export. The CIA-supported rebel Mujahedeen begins expanding production to finance their insurgency. Between 1982 and 1989, during which time the CIA ships billions of dollars in weapons and other aid to guerrilla forces, annual opium production in Afghanistan increases to about 800 tons from 250 tons. By 1986, the State Department admits that Afghanistan is `probably the world's largest producer of opium for export' and `the poppy source for a majority of the Southwest Asian heroin found in the United States.' U.S. officials, however, fail to take action to curb production. Their silence not only serves to maintain public support for the Mujahedeen, it also smooths relations with Pakistan, whose leaders, deeply implicated in the heroin trade, help channel CIA support to the Afghan rebels.

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JUNE 1980
Despite advance knowledge, the CIA fails to halt members of the Bolivian militaries, aide by the Argentine counterparts, from staging the so-called `Cocaine Coup,' according to former DEA agent Michael Levine. In fact, the 25-year DEA veteran maintains the agency actively abetted cocaine trafficking in Bolivia, where government official who sought to combat traffickers faced `torture and death at the hands of CIA-sponsored paramilitary terrorists under the command of fugitive Nazi war criminal (also protected by the CIA) Klaus Barbie.

FEBRUARY 1985
DEA agent Enrique `Kiki' Camerena is kidnapped and murder in Mexico. DEA, FBI and U.S. Customs Service investigators accuse the CIA of stonewalling during their investigation. U.S. authorities claim the CIA is more interested in protecting its assets, including top drug trafficker and kidnapping principal Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo. (In 1982, the DEA learned that Felix Gallardo was moving $20 million a month through a single Bank of America account, but it could not get the CIA to cooperate with its investigation.) Felix Gallardo's main partner is Honduran drug lord Juan Ramon Matta Ballesteros, who began amassing his $2-billion fortune as a cocaine supplier to Alberto Sicilia Falcon. (see June 1985) Matta's air transport firm, SETCO, receives $186,000 from the U.S. State Department to fly `humanitarian supplies' to the Nicaraguan Contras from 1983 to 1985. Accusations that the CIA protected some of Mexico's leading drug traffickers in exchange for their financial support of the Contras are leveled by government witnesses at the trials of Camarena's accused killers.

JANUARY 1988
Deciding that he has outlived his usefulness to the Contra cause, the Reagan Administration approves an indictment of Noriega on drug charges. By this time, U.S. Senate investigators had found that `the United States had received substantial information about criminal involvement of top Panamanian officials for nearly twenty years and done little to respond.'

APRIL 1989
The Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Communications, headed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, issues its 1,166-page report on drug corruption in Central America and the Caribbean. The subcommittee found that `there was substantial evidence of drug smuggling through the war zone on the part of individuals Contras, Contra suppliers, Contra pilots, mercenaries who worked with the Contras supporters throughout the region.' U.S. officials, the subcommittee said, `failed to address the drug issue for fear of jeopardizing the war efforts against Nicaragua.' The investigation also reveals that some `senior policy makers' believed that the use of drug money was `a perfect solution to the Contras' funding problems.'

JANUARY 1993
Honduran businessman Eugenio Molina Osorio is arrested in Lubbock Texas for supplying $90,000 worth of cocaine to DEA agents. Molina told judge he is working for CIA to whom he provides political intelligence. Shortly after, a letter from CIA headquarters is sent to the judge, and the case is dismissed. `I guess we're all aware that they [the CIA] do business in a different way than everybody else,' the judge notes. Molina later admits his drug involvement was not a CIA operation, explaining that the agency protected him because of his value as a source for political intelligence in Honduras.

NOVEMBER 1996
Former head of the Venezuelan National Guard and CIA operative Gen. Ramon Gullien Davila is indicted in Miami on charges of smuggling as much as 22 tons of cocaine into the United States. More than a ton of cocaine was shipped into the country with the CIA's approval as part of an undercover program aimed at catching drug smugglers, an operation kept secret from other U.S. agencies.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_cr/980507-l.htmept secret from other U.S. agencies.

Posted by: whitequeen at February 1, 2005 5:44 PM

GAY MEN GANG-RAPED IN US JAILS - PERHAPS THIS KIND OF CULTURE EXPLAINS WHY US SOLDIERS WANTED TO FORCE MEN TO HAVE SEX WITH EACH OTHER.

At the age of 17, Parsell was convicted of robbing a Photomat with a toy gun. His first day in prison, he was invited to a gathering of several inmates. There, they gave him a drink that was spiked with Thorazine (a strong depressant used in severe psychiatric cases) stolen from a mentally ill inmate. Once he was in a “grey out,” three of the men gang raped him.

The three men, and a fourth man who stopped the rape, then flipped a coin to see who got to take Parsell permanently.

Parsell said that the rape branded him, from his first day, as a “bitch” in the entire jail system (word travels fast) and that, no matter what jail he ended up in, he was forced to quickly find a “man” to take care of him.

Survival of the fittest
“If your manhood is taken, it’s irrevocable,” he said.

Now living in New York and writing a book about his experiences, Parsell said he has spent a small fortune on therapists trying to deal with his imprisoned past 20 years ago.

Parsell’s story is all too common to Stanley Richards, deputy executive director of Fortune Society, an organization that has been working to improve prison conditions and protect the rights of prisoners in New York City since 1967.

Richards, who served four-and-a-half years in prison for robbery until 1991, agreed with Parsell that “sex in prison is a very real issue. Any time you put a bunch of men in an environment away from society, they’re going to do it.”

He said that the prison system, as presently designed, is a game of survival of the fittest.

“There’s a reality that folks have to face that prison is a cold place, it’s a hard place, it’s a pretty dangerous place. Prisons are places where people can get hurt,” Richards said.

Parsell said that he was helpless to defend himself against the forced sex in prison as he fit almost the entire checklist inmates use to decide if they’re going to turn a new prisoner into a “bitch.”

“I was young and attractive, and they were going to turn me out one way or another,” he said. “Turning out” is the term that describes forcing a new inmate to take a submissive role in his relationship with another inmate.

According to Parsell, inmates target men who are young and attractive, who are not particularly street-smart and who are non-violent offenders. These are the men who are the least likely to put up a successful fight for dominance.

Men are also treated differently depending on their race.

“If a young black male goes in there, they’re often looked after, unless they’re gay. But a younger white guy is in trouble if he doesn’t make some friends quickly,” Parsell said. “Gays of any race are attacked almost immediately.”

That immediate attack forces gay men in prison to, as Parsell said, hook up or lock up: either find a man to have a sexual relationship with who will take care of you, or request solitary confinement. If you’re gay and you don’t do one of those two things, prison will likely be a long road of rapes and fights.

Some men are able to avoid this dilemma. They are mostly black, very masculine and have friends on the inside already.

Moves to stop prison rape
Peter Bacanovic is white, handsome, probably has no connections to a gang, and is convicted of a non-violent crime. And he is a well-known out-gay man.

Stephen Donaldson was incarcerated in Washington D.C. He was well known for being a gay advocate.

He had been the founder of the world’s first gay student organization (at Columbia University) and was the first sailor to fight discharge from the U.S. Navy for “homosexual behavior.” He had been arrested for trespassing at the White House during a peaceful Quaker protest against the bombing of Cambodia in 1973.

While in a cellblock with violent offenders, Donaldson was gang-raped approximately 60 times in a two-day period. Upon his release, he underwent rectal surgery at a Veteran’s Administration hospital.

Donaldson was the first person to speak out about rape in prison.

http://www.prisonactivist.org/pipermail/prisonact-list/2004-May/009009.html

Posted by: whitequeen at February 1, 2005 5:50 PM

"LAND OF FREEDOM" EXECUTES PRISONERS BY GAS CHAMBER OR ELECTRIC CHAIR. WHICH ONE DO YOU PREFER?

Since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, 944 convicted murderers have been executed in the United States. Of those executed, 10 were female. (The last was Aileen Wuornos in Florida on October 9, 2002). Of those executed, 22 were under the age of 18 at the time of the murder. (The last was Scott Allen Hain in Oklahoma on April 3, 2003). Of those executed, 543 (58%) were white and 320 (34%) were black. Of those executed, 764 (81%) were executed by lethal injection, including 290 of the last 293 executions; 152 were executed by electric chair, 11 by gas chamber, 3 by hanging and 2 by firing squad. Executions were held in 32 different states: 336 (35%) were in Texas and 11 were in Indiana; 59 were executed in 2004, 65 were executed in 2003, and 71 were executed in 2002. (As of January 1, 2005)

Posted by: whitequeen at February 1, 2005 5:52 PM

Whitequeen, you are heading for the dustbin. Cut back on the 'facts.' And explain the 300,000 dead in mass graves under Saddam.

Yes, I know she's a troll... but she's taking up bandwidth.

Posted by: Gary at February 1, 2005 5:56 PM

Fox News chanel to report on the jihadis kidnapping of Doll with Brit Hume!!

Posted by: Catherine at February 1, 2005 6:02 PM

voletti:Words like this make me sick! These practised high priests of taqiyya verbally diarrheating all over the free world's press yet again... ain't a pretty sight anymore. Nope, no sir.

Too true.

Remember the imam of the NJ mosque after the slaughter of the Armanious family, who was fed up with "this crap" of muslims and islam getting the bakme everytime.

Posted by: DP111 at February 1, 2005 6:16 PM

Posted by: whitequeen at February 1, 2005 05:52 PM

You bet we do would you have mad men who rape and kill women running the streets to get you??

We also have guns in our homes to Kill anybody who would cause us harm??

OH! MY!!

We play our Films unlike Europe who are afraid of Mulsums??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT GIVE THE WORLD STRENGTH TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THIS EVIL AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at February 1, 2005 6:21 PM

Robert Spencer:So, Mohamed, are you definitively renouncing Sharia provisions for blasphemy?

Mohamed: Only provisionally, as events sometimes dictate.

Posted by: DP111 at February 1, 2005 6:50 PM

http://www.wabcradio.com/listenlive.asp

Posted by: Catherine at February 1, 2005 7:21 PM

Remember, islam is a religion of peace and if you don't repeat that they might just try to kill you! One gun in your hand is better than two cops on the phone. I love short skirts, beer and pork.

Posted by: Truth at February 1, 2005 7:48 PM

How easy would it be to bait some of these "evil- doers" into coming to kill a fake person? You know kind of like what the police do to catch sex offenders on the internet. I have been thinking about this idea for a while.

Posted by: bart at February 1, 2005 8:17 PM

Well, Bart... those incredibly tough, fearless jihadi's beat ya to it. They kidnapped GI Joe and are threatening to behead him if we don't release a bunch of muslims from jail. I hope they don't film this horrible beheading and post it on the internet.

Oh, and whiteqeen... you can type all you want until you get boney fingers but until you can stick to the subject MUSLIM TERRORISM, you're on "speed scroll". You robber of bandwith! Bye now!

Posted by: Just_Linda at February 1, 2005 8:24 PM

Well, Bart... those incredibly tough, fearless jihadi's beat ya to it. They kidnapped GI Joe and are threatening to behead him if we don't release a bunch of muslims from jail. I hope they don't film this horrible beheading and post it on the internet.

Oh, and whiteqeen... you can type all you want until you get boney fingers but until you can stick to the subject MUSLIM TERRORISM, you're on "speed scroll". You robber of bandwith! Bye now!

Posted by: Just_Linda at February 1, 2005 8:24 PM

Hey Catherine,

Yor are tough & totally kewl!

Posted by: Truth at February 1, 2005 8:27 PM

What I was talking about is more similar to what happened in New Jersey. Some muslims didn't like what the man on paltalk was saying so they tracked him down and killed him and his family. What if we inticed the same behaviour but this time to a made-up person and then waited for them. Like I said before very similar to the way police detectives catch would be sex offenders.

Posted by: bart at February 1, 2005 8:30 PM

Ooohh, whitequeeny. Look, I've got something for you. I think my source is slightly more credible than your's.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1899798048/
Red Cocaine: The Drugging of America and the West

About the Author
Dr Joseph Douglass is a national security analyst and author with expertise in defence policy, threat assessment, deception, intelligence and political warfare, nuclear strategy, terrorism, advanced chemical and biological warfare agents and applications, and international narcotics trafficking. Since the mid-1980s, his primary focus has been research into various dimensions of cultural warfare and notably into the illegal drugs plague, with emphasis on its origins, support structures, marketing - and the question: 'What can be done?'

Dr Douglass received his PhD in electrical engineering from Cornell University in 1962 and has taught at Cornell, the Navy Postgraduate School at Monterey, and Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Relations in Washington, D.C.. He has worked in and for the national laboratories (Sandia Corporation], the US Government, where he was Deputy and Acting Director, Tactical Technology Office, Advanced Research Projects Agency - and with various defence contractors, such as the Institute for Defense Analyses and System Planning Corporation.

He is a former member of the Weapons Systems Evaluation Group, US Army Science Board, and a former consultant to the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency and Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He currently directs The Redwood Institute, which was formed to address the internal problems America faces - such as illegal drugs, crime and impoverished education - and to identify root causes, evaluate national policy and devise alternative policy options.

The Author is a pioneering analyst and is perhaps best known for his ground-breaking studies of nuclear weapons policy, the impact of precision-guided munitions, the nature of the Soviet nuclear threat, the risks arising from chemical and biological warfare agents, and intelligence aspects of international narcotics trafficking. His unclassified books include The Theater Nuclear Offensive [1976, reprinted ten times]; Soviet Strategy for War in Europe [Pergamon Press, 1980, also translated into and published in German]; Soviet Strategy for Nuclear War [Hoover Institute Press, 1979: numerous printings, translated into and published in Japanese]; CBW: The Poor man's Atomic Bomb [Institute for Foreign Policy Analysis, 1984]; Why the Soviet Union Violates Arms Control Treaties [Pergamon-Brassey's, 1988]; Conventional War and Escalation [The National Strategy Information Center, 1981]; The Superpowers and Strategic War Termination [co-editor, Pergamon-Brassey's, 1989]; and the present work, originally entitled: Red Cocaine: The Drugging of America [1990].

This new edition has been prepared with a view to meeting continuing demand for the work, in both the United States and elsewhere, following the strategic adjustment completed in 1991 when the Communist strategists switched to pursuing their manic World Revolutionary objectives through covert Communism and a 'new form' of reversible 'state-controlled capitalism' - working, as Lenin taught his 'illuminated' followers, 'by other means'.

Posted by: kentim at February 1, 2005 8:46 PM

I just hope these Feds who are investigating this weren't ones sent to those CAIR-sponsored "sensitivity" workshops. The last thing this case needs is sensitivity. We're not dealing with sensitive people, but bloodthirsty savages who need to be crushed.

Put me down as a fan of short skirts, pork and beer. Anything else is unAustralian!

Posted by: feralee at February 1, 2005 8:48 PM

Well, Bart... those incredibly tough, fearless jihadi's beat ya to it. They kidnapped GI Joe and are threatening to behead him if we don't release a bunch of muslims from jail. I hope they don't film this horrible beheading and post it on the internet. Posted by Just_Linda

Funny, funny Linda! And just think, GI Joe is so old, how will he endure hours of torture and abuse? Somebody said they forgot about all of the grenades clipped to his vest when they posted his picture on the internet, the idiots!
I wonder if they have their special effects ready for the execution of this brave old warrior. That should be a hoot!

Posted by: Susanp at February 2, 2005 1:01 AM

Catherine is the kind of prejudiced, foul-talking moron that gives resistance to tyranny a bad name. If ever some prejudiced Press organ such as the NY Times wishes to do a hatchet job on anti-jihad sites such as this one, all they have to do is quote her extensively, and they will convince any well-meaning average citizen that opposition to militant Islam is morally equal to KKK anti-black ravings. I am as much against Islam as the next person, but I do not see why I should have to put up with their almost-mirror-image just for that.

Posted by: Paolo at February 2, 2005 9:18 AM

Whoever did this, once found guily, ought to be tortured beyond imagination, body laid to rot in the open air wihtout burial for a year, then incinerated and atoms scattered into nothingness.

Whoever did this is definitely NOT going to paradise. Allah despises whoever did this and the less-than-human responsible will burn in everlasting Hell and outerdarkness.

Posted by: Counterterrorism Legislation at February 2, 2005 11:01 AM

Paolo,

Catherine is the benefactor of the very free-speech that she seems to hold in contempt along with the military which she praises out of one side of her mouth while calling them 'whiney', and other disparaging names out of the other side simply because they would like to have proper equipment to do the job with.

Although I echo your viewpoints on this issue, Catherine has a right say what she wants to here until Robert decides to pull the plug. Any attempt to get her to improve her communication so far has been useless and only met with more nonsense, garbled language, and cut and pasted articles. Although, I have noticed that she sometimes includes whatever she thinks makes her point and excludes the rest as in the misleading post she made about students recently.

This distresses me from two directions. One, although I am sure of nothing else about this person, I believe Catherine is genuinely anti-Jihad. Two, for some reason, perhaps a combination of her entertainment value and her cut and paste articles, she has some strong followers here that view any criticism of her, constuctive as it may be, in a negative light and will give you the business for saying anything.

That said I would like to part this subject with this. Catherine, whoever or whatever you really are, it would benefit you greatly to make an attempt at making your writing clearer and more understandable. More people might look at what you write in a different light if they could understand more of it without having to try to decode it. Your continued use of scripture in an attempt to show whose side God is on in fact does mirror what the Islamists do. They take global events out of context and try to apply religious significance to them. That just doesn’t help Jihad-Watch at all and as Paolo has pointed out, gives ammunition to critics of the effort Jihad-Watch is making. My present religious convictions have nothing to do with how I feel about that aspect. Were I still the religious zealot I used to be, I believe I would feel the same way as I do now given similar experiences I have had in the past.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 2, 2005 12:18 PM

Dear Kentim, it's nice that you're so excited to have found some source or other, although all that info really misses the point I'm making. Incidentally, in English, you don't include an apostrophe when you write 'yours'.

Paolo, hating Islam because of Muslim hardliners is like hating democracy because of the US.

And feralee, I wonder whether the Aborigines would agree with you about your definition of what is Australian.

Posted by: whitequeen at February 2, 2005 5:29 PM

WHO ARE THE RASIST WHO KILL CHILDREN IN THEIR HOMES??

The FBI is investigating a radical Islamic Web site that posted photos and information about people who use an Internet chat room frequented by a Jersey City man whose family was murdered Jan. 14.
The Web site, barsomyat.com, contained detailed information about some users of the PalTalk.com chat service whom the site's members accuse of being outspoken critics of Islam, according to published reports.

An FBI spokesman confirmed Monday that federal investigators are probing whether the site -which is run by a Jordanian -played any role in the murders of Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8. The family was discovered bound and stabbed to death in their Jersey City Heights home.

It also is not known whether any photos of Hossam Armanious or other personal information were posted on the site prior to the murders. Users of the PalTalk service communicate via instant messaging, voice and, often, Web cams. Members of the barsomyat.com site apparently scanned the chat rooms to identify opponents.

The information was then posted with photos of the person. In one case, according to The New York Sun, a barsomyat.com post about a Christian man included his PalTalk nickname, photograph, real name and the city in which he lives, all hacked from his home computer.

Before the site was taken down Monday by its Minnesota hosting company, it contained photos of Hossam Armanious and Amal Garas. It called Armanious a "filthy dog" and Garas "his filthy wife," according to the paper. A screenshot of barsomyat.com was posted on another Web site, Jihadwatch.com.

"They were slaughtered along with their children as a punishment from the heavens to those who curse the most divine of all who were created," one member of barsomyat.com is quoted as writing.

NOW WHO DO YOU TRUST A REDNECK IN SHORT SKIRTS OR SOME MULSUM??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength,Wisdom,Sight and Courage to stay the course to Victory[FREEDOM] to Destroy ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen

Posted by: Catherine at February 2, 2005 6:52 PM

Oooh, whitequeen, such a pathetic little dig. Do you actually know any Aborigines? Well I do. And I do know they like their pork snags on the barbie, beer and short skirts (either to wear them or appreciate them on women).

I hate Islam because of its hatefulness and intolerance, which we can read about, and see in action.

Posted by: feralee at February 2, 2005 9:56 PM

Whitequeen: no. Hating Islam because of Jihadis is like hating Communism because of the Soviet Union, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot. One takes a whole historical experience and decides that it is bad at the root. If you do not think that jihad and the oppression of other cultures are at the heart of Islam, give arguments to the contrary, don't just indulge in irrelevant anti-American tirades. They are neither here nor there. I knew about the OSS making a deal with the Mafia long before you made that earth-shattering revelation, you donkey; but it does not alter the fact that in this struggle, the USA (so long as they hold their nerve and their belief in the principles of the Declaration of Independence) are right, as they were in World War Two, and all the jihadis are wrong. End of story. You are probably a disappointed Communist; your polemics have a certain common atmosphere which I remember well from the days when Communists were still powerful. Even if you are not, you have uncritically accepted all their nonsense. And it is probably too late to tell you to grow up.

Posted by: Paolo at February 3, 2005 5:09 AM

Whitequeen,

Your statement is totally ridiculous and only one that could be made by a mind brainwashed by the Koran and Islam. A religion that plainly teaches that people who do not believe its ridiculous message are subservient to those who do and that women can be treated like propriety and other barbaric and backward beliefs.

Any woman who willingly converts to Islam or who willingly remains in it is a complete and utter fool for trading away the rights that so many women have fought generations for, the rights that should be afforded to every human being on the planet. Women in Islam are ironically deserving of either pity or contempt depending on their true feelings about their religion.

Islam is a misogamy club for men that allows them to behave like brutes toward their women with Allah’s blessing. Democracy on the other hand, is the only thing that has fought for and preserved the rights of human beings to choose their own destinies and to find their own truths for themselves rather than have the outdated, immoral, and moronic belief system that is Islam decide for them.

The Islamic movement should be fought tooth and nail by the free world until it is either civilized, contained, or erradicated from the face of the Earth. It is the Islamic people’s choice. Rise up and cast off the oppression of centuries! Let your generation be the last to squirm under Islam's thumb! Throw the imams who care more about their precious book than they do their fellow human beings in the street! Choose to join the human race or be scoured from it like the poison that it has proven itself to be!

f.g.

Freedom trumps tyranny any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Posted by: f.g. at February 3, 2005 9:53 AM

Whitequeen -

I'm not pro-USA. Their gun laws, the death penalty, lack of universal healthcare, the CIA, their foreign policy - it's all well below standard, but so what? We don't have to live in America anyway, so their internal social problems are not really our concern.

Maybe two thirds of what you say is true... BUT SO WHAT? I'm not American. America is crazy, and Islam is a dangerous fascistic oppressive bigoted religion that causes human suffering. Welcome to Planet Earth!

We're not talking about AMERICA - the subject here is Islam and Muslims. I sometimes criticize American foreign policy, but only in the context of the debate. If you are here just to try and throw a spanner in the works, and get nasty about people's nationality, then you're just a troll - nay, a typical Muslim.

America is an imperfect country that has made many terrible mistakes.... yes, so what's your point here? Do two wrongs make a right?

"And feralee, I wonder whether the Aborigines would agree with you about your definition of what is Australian." Whitequeen - have you ever met an Aboriginal???????????????????????????

Do you actually want to talk about something relevant to this site?

OK, here's something...

Women's rights and Islam? I spent some time in Muslim Bangladesh in 1999, I was amazed that there were so few women on the streets. They lock them all up in the houses! Often, the only females I saw were little girls, and some of these were working digging the roads! Then I visited Meghalaya, a remote Indian state bordering Bangladesh which is majority Christian. Instantly I saw that everything was cleaner and more prosperous. The literacy rate amongst women is double that of Bangladesh.
The Christian tribal women there (Khasis, Garos & Jantias) run the economy. The children inherit the mother's name, the daughters inherit all the property. A man can not have more than one wife and women are everywhere - and happy. I returned to Meghalaya in 2000, 2001 and 2004 - I never went back to Bangladesh because I received so much personal abuse on the streets of Dacca, that I don't think it's a safe and friendly place - unlike Hindu India.
And you think Islam is the solution for the Third World and womankind - PLEASE!
Say what you want about America. Imperfect it is, but it’s worth a 1000 Bangladeshs or any other Muslim country you care to mention.

Oh, no?

Where would you like to spend six months? In Capitalist Christian Miami, or in wonderful Islamic Bangladesh - you tell me? This is the problem with Muslims: in the West they demand respect and understanding – and most of the time they get it. In their countries you’re lucky not to get a knife in your back.

Whitequeen - try being “white” and “regal” in the back streets of Dacca. Your Bengali “Muslim brothers” would gang rape you.

Posted by: Timbo at February 4, 2005 11:22 AM

Oh - Whitequeen didn't answer! What a surprise.

Muslims always do this. They come in here, talk garbage, and then when they are asked a few tough questions - they flee.

Proof that Muslims are morally, spiritually and intellectually bankrupt.

When you ask tough questions, they threaten, kill, or don't answer at all.

Great religion!

Posted by: Timbo at February 5, 2005 10:07 PM