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Last night I spoke in Boston about the questions surrounding the mosque project there -- Citizens for Peace and Tolerance has a good repository of information about this project.
Earlier yesterday I was made aware that the Islamic Society of Boston, the group that is building the mosque, was disavowing on its website an email that had circulated, which I have been unable as yet to obtain but which was apparently calling on people to disrupt my talk. Here is a portion of the ISB statement:
The tone and views of an email circulated during the last few days under heading “Help Defend Roxbury Mosque” does not represent the Islamic Society of Boston and we have never been consulted in any manner regarding that email. We fully disagree with its content. We do not believe that disrupting public gatherings is a way for Muslims to make their point, nor do we believe that such language conforms to our values of humanitarian service, religious tolerance and public outreach.
The email circulated widely enough to bring out FoxNews cameras, evidently hoping to see some kind of angry confrontation. But the weather was bad, and that plus ISB's disavowal no doubt kept anyone who had planned to demonstrate or disrupt the talk away.
However, the mere idea that my presence was something worth disrupting achieved what was no doubt one of its intended effects: it cast doubts and fear into the minds of those who had invited me. Consequently I was given an awkward and nervous introduction by someone who managed in the space of about three minutes to assure the crowd twice that I in no way represented the organization that sponsored the talk, that my view was just one among many, and that the organization itself was tolerant, etc.
This was more amusing than insulting -- yes, I just was passing by and thought I'd stop in to give an address! It was all the more incongruous given that my remarks contained no flamethrowing. I merely pointed out some of the established connections the Boston mosque has to people like Qaradawi, quoted some of their statements, explained the roots of these statements in Islamic teachings, and asked for explanations. But it points up a larger problem: American Muslim advocates resort to these tactics -- demonstrations and disruptions or threats of them, name-calling, etc. -- because they work. Charges of bigotry, hatred, etc., however unfounded, are the worst charges one can bring against a public figure in America today. And they succeed in ensuring that the one so charged will not be heard by a great many people.
This is a much bigger problem than my speech last night in Boston -- it is a useful tool in the hands of jihadists to silence honest discussion of their motives, goals, and activities in America and Europe. And if there is no such discussion, where will we be?
CORRECTION: Last night I was told that Fox was there because of the email that the ISB disavowed. This led to my statement above: "The email circulated widely enough to bring out FoxNews cameras, evidently hoping to see some kind of angry confrontation." However, I have just been informed by an Executive Producer at Fox that that was not the case: he didn't know of the email until he read the post above. Fox was there, he told me, for "a chance to record your thoughts on some of the people behind the new mosque." I appreciate that, and apologize for passing on incorrect information.
Posted by Robert at February 4, 2005 8:46 AM
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...right where the multi-kultis of the Left want us.
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at February 4, 2005 9:22 AM
'We do not "believe" that "disrupting" "public" "gatherings" is a "way" for Muslims to make their "point"'
How dare we disagree with Islam.
Just a "small" "minority" of extremists.
Stop the a-peace-ment.
Posted by: Report at February 4, 2005 9:43 AM
"We must remember that the prophet (sbohh) always attempted to diffuse tensions between people rather than excite them."
What koran is that written in? Of course, it may be a little bit of "soothe the victim before we slit it's throat" type of deceit. It is sad that the folks in Boston have let this work, if ever we need to stand up... it is now.
at February 4, 2005 10:41 AM
Under the radar...in the first 9/11 the planes were picked up by radar, we were just shocked to see where they were headed; but will we see what is coming in the next? Under the radar, stay out of sight, don't tell anybody what you really think, lie, 'war is deception', says the prophet.
Has anybody explained clearly and in depth the connections between this mosque and Qaradawi and company? Are there convincing reasons for believing that this mosque is a 'center of peace and understanding' and not a hotbead of Jihad? Given the methods and strategies of Jihad, are there any reasons for believing what the leaders of this mosque say about 'the policy of not disrupting public gatherings'? Does anyone think for a minute that in an Islamic soceity (or perhaps an Infidel one in which Muslims carried enough numbers and political clout to get away with it) the 'leaders' and members of this mosque would NOT try to disrupt Robert's speech or worse?
Is there anyplace in the Islamic world that Robert could speak without fear of violence? Would the leaders and members of this mosque defend Robert's right to speak in any of these countries, would they proclaim their policy that it is not proper for a Muslim to 'disrupt public gatherings'.
War is deception, says the prophet, so Robert got a reprieve.
at February 4, 2005 11:08 AM
Here's an example of attempting to intimidate:
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamicstrategy.shtml
Posted by: Gary at February 4, 2005 11:19 AM
JTF,
"Is there anyplace in the Islamic world that Robert could speak without fear of violence?"
At this point I doubt it.
I was invited to speak in Beirut last year and would have been happy to do so, but was ultimately disinvited because of security concerns.
Since I have been denounced in the Pakistani press as "subjecting the person of the Prophet to blasphemous criticism" -- a crime punishable by death, although all I actually did was report on his words and deeds from Islamic sources -- I won't be going to Karachi or Lahore anytime soon either.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at February 4, 2005 11:25 AM
People who know they are wrong don't like to hear it, its a very common occurence. I won't go into other examples, suffice to say that thick skulls leave little room for brain matter.
Posted by: knowalot at February 4, 2005 11:42 AM
Some info on thick skulls for knowalot (yes, I know he's a troll. But these are interesting nonetheless)
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=146
Posted by: Gary at February 4, 2005 11:47 AM
this is an opportunity to show our neighbors the mercy and compassion of Islam and Muslims
Merriam Webster defines "mercy" as "compassion or forbearance shown especially to an offender or to one subject to one's power".
Muslims cannot break with the triumphalism inherent in their ideology nor can they hide their arrogance and contempt for infidels who are viewed as transgressors to be subjugated. Even when they are attempting to use taqqiya and kitman to deceive and disarm the ignorant, the mask occasionally slips.
Mercy, indeed.
Posted by: Charles Martel at February 4, 2005 11:50 AM
What is the dealio with calling me a troll? Is it a JW tag for the self righteous????
Posted by: knowalot at February 4, 2005 12:02 PM
CHARLES MARTEL
How true, Muslims are filled with arrogance which I believe will utimately be their downfall. Osama acted too soon : otherwise we would still be in our blissfully ignorant state that 'Islam is just another Religion'.Even Leftist Multi Culturalists are beginning to have doubts as violence and rioting take place on the streets and shopping malls of Europe. This is just the beginning of course : as the enemy within fuels up Jihad, situation will resemble every other violent, third world country where Islam reigns in all its terror, backwardness and poverty. The effect of this upon Europe's economies will be catastrophic.
Those who can will flee, the majority who can't will face situations like Bosnia or Kosovo .
at February 4, 2005 12:09 PM
"This is a much bigger problem than my speech last night in Boston -- it is a useful tool in the hands of jihadists to silence honest discussion of their motives, goals, and activities in America and Europe. And if there is no such discussion, where will we be?"
The solution to this to call them what they are: a bunch of fascists who are seeking to negate the human rights of peaceful, law abiding citizens. They are no better or different than Hitler's Brownshirts. Is it any wonder these people's ideological forebears constituted the Nazi Hanzar SS Division?
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.htm
Posted by: Mike at February 4, 2005 12:56 PM
Mr. Spencer
Thank You!!
People Remember courage is not Strength with out fear But, Strength in the Face of Fear!!
I have to say Mr. Spencer you have great Courage!
May God continue to Bless you and yours Amen
Part of the American Tribe
Posted by: Catherine at February 4, 2005 1:01 PM
What does it say for Islamic culture that everyone who disagres with any of its vile hateful elements are subjected to intimidation and violence? Im so weary of hearing how"peaceful" Islam is. We're constantly told that "only" 10% of Muslims are "radicals" (that's about 120 million), you know those who would kill your children or mine for no other reason that that we're not Muslim. Well what the Hell are you 90% "peaceful" Muslims doing??? If the billion-plus of you "peaceful" Muslims had any male anatomy at all, you would denounce and crush the vile scumbag-wussies defiling the "good name" of your "peaceful" culture. But no, you people cant lift a finger. But it's "infidels" like American soldiers fighting and dieing to bring freedom to a Muslim world unwilling to pursue it themselves. You "peaceful Muslims" wont lift a finger to kill the cancer in your ciulture, so I'll lift a finger in salute to all of Islam. Guess which one Im lifting?
"Peaceful Islam"...surely one of the most vile oxymorons in the English language today.
Posted by: MidKnightRyder at February 4, 2005 1:20 PM
Well said, Catherine!
Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 4, 2005 1:31 PM
knowalot,
what's the difference between a troll and a plant? here at jw a few days ago they called me a plant (i have often though of myself as a rubber tree, btw).
moe
Posted by: Moe Goldberg at February 4, 2005 1:31 PM
(Oh yes)
And a Gold Star for You *
at February 4, 2005 1:32 PM
If the battle over freedom of thought and speech isn't dealt with as the human rights issue it is, we're going to lose this fight to a bunch of slandering fascists. It'll be 1930s Germany all over again.
Fight for your rights!
at February 4, 2005 1:39 PM
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/lott200502040751.asp
February 04, 2005, 7:51 a.m.
Ballistic Fingerprinting’s a Dud
Another failed gun-control strategy.
By John R. Lott Jr.
Ballistic fingerprinting was all the rage just a couple of years ago. Maryland and New York were leading the way where a computer database would record the markings made on the bullets from all new guns. The days of criminals using guns were numbered.
Yet, a recent report by the Maryland State Police's forensic-sciences division shows that the systems in both states have been expensive failures. New York is spending $4 million per year. Maryland has spent a total of $2.6 million, about $60 per gun sold. But in the over four years that the systems have been in effect neither has solved a single crime. To put it bluntly, the program "does not aid in the mission statement of the Department of State Police."
The systems have drained so many resources from other police activities that ballistic fingerprinting could end up actually increasing crime. In New York, how many crimes could 50 additional police officers help solve?
The police explain the program's inability to reduce crime because criminals have simply not been using the guns that have been entered into the database. In some cases the claim is that the wrong data has been entered into the computers.
The physics of ballistic fingerprinting are straightforward enough. When a bullet travels through the barrel of a gun, the friction creates markings on the bullet. If the gun is new, imperfections in the way the barrel is drilled can produce different markings on the bullet; such imperfections are most noticeable in inexpensive guns. In older guns, the bullet's friction through the barrel can cause more noticeable wear marks that help differentiate between guns. Many other factors influence the particular markings left on the bullets — for instance, how often the gun is cleaned and what brand of cartridge is used.
Precisely because friction causes wear, a gun's ballistic fingerprint changes over time — making it drastically different from such forensic evidence as human fingerprints or DNA. The recording of a child's fingerprints or DNA still allows for identification much later in life; the same is not true of the bullet markings. A ballistic fingerprint is less like a human fingerprint than it is like the tread on a car tire.
Brand-new tires are essentially identical, so new-tire tracks at crime scenes leave investigators with pretty limited information. Unless there happens to be a particular imperfection, only the brand and model of the tire can be identified. Imprints on bullets are similar. When a bullet is fired from a new gun, investigators can typically identify only the type of ammunition and the type of gun. Over time, though, friction causes the tread on tires to wear. It would be easy to take the tire tracks left at a crime scene and match them with a suspected criminal's car; but the more the car is driven after the crime, the harder it is to match the tire tracks left at the scene to the tires when they are eventually found. Similarly, the greatest friction on a gun occurs when the gun is first fired — and that dramatically reduces the usefulness of recording the gun's ballistic fingerprint when it is purchased.
Moreover, ballistic fingerprinting can be thwarted by replacing the gun's barrel — just as criminals can foil tire matching by simply replacing their tires. In general, the markings on bullets can be altered even more quickly and easily than the tread marks on tires: Scratching part of the inside of a barrel with a nail file would alter the bullet's path down the barrel and thus change the markings. So would putting toothpaste on a bullet before firing it.
Ballistic fingerprinting faces other difficulties. For example, even if the gun was not used much between the time the ballistic fingerprint was originally recorded and the time the crime occurred, police still have to be able to trace the gun from the original owner to the criminal — but only 12 percent of guns used in crimes are obtained by the criminal through retail stores or pawn shops. The rest are virtually impossible to trace.
A recent study by the State of California points to further practical difficulties with ballistic fingerprinting. The study tested 790 pistols firing a total of 2,000 rounds. When the cartridges used with a particular gun came from the same manufacturer, computer matching failed 38 percent of the time. When the cartridges came from different manufacturers, the failure rate rose to 62 percent. And this study does not even begin to address problems caused by wear, so the real-world failure rate can be expected to be much higher. The California report warned that "firearms that generate markings on cartridge casings can change with use and can also be readily altered by the users." Further, it warned that the problems of matching would soar dramatically if more guns were included in the sample. The study's verdict: "Computer-matching systems do not provide conclusive results...potential candidates [for a match must] be manually reviewed."
While registering guns by their ballistic fingerprints is a relatively new concept, we have had plenty of experience using gun registration in general, and it has come up woefully short. A few years ago, I testified before the Hawaii state legislature on a bill to change registration requirements. Hawaii has had both registration and licensing of guns for several decades.
In theory, if a gun is left at the crime scene, licensing and registration will allow the gun to be traced back to its owner. Police have probably spent hundreds of thousands of man-hours administering these laws in Hawaii. But despite this massive effort, there has not been a single case in which police claimed that licensing and registration have been instrumental in identifying a criminal.
The reason is simple. First, criminals very rarely leave their guns at a crime scene, and when they do, it is because the criminals have been killed or seriously wounded. Second — and more important for ballistic fingerprinting — would-be criminals also virtually never get licenses or register their weapons. The guns that are recovered at the scene are not registered.
Good intentions don't necessarily make good laws. What counts is whether the laws actually work, and end up saving lives. On that measure, ballistic fingerprinting is just another failure in a long line of gun-control measures.
— John Lott, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author of The Bias Against Guns and More Guns, Less Crime
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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the Courase to Defeat ALL islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen
at February 4, 2005 1:50 PM
When the ocassion and opportunity arises we should take the inititive and give the tv stations just what they want: clear examples of what the Moslems do in conflict with those who refuse to indulge them. Don't waste a chnce to heighten a conflict. Pass out leaflets whenever Moslems gather to protest some imagined slight or other, and then what the fire-works later that evening on tv. Sweet reason doesn't make the news. Take advantage of a chance to provoke the Moslems into rage so they'll expose themselves like "knowalot" and go nuts and show the public just how vile they and their religion are. It takes some nerve to face a gang of thugs, but any blow you receive is also a blow for freedom. Some of us can take this to the streets, and there we should be. Let's stir them up and see what they do. Maybe all my experience is personal and Islam really is the religion of peace. They can prove it.
Posted by: sonofwalker at February 4, 2005 4:56 PM
Mr. Spencer keep your back side covered as we are about to move into a new phase of this war on terror. This new phase will be in the streets of small town USA to the court yards of Buckingham palace.
Hijack threats in NY today, still have'nt heard all yet but can probably fill in the blanks myself.
People; start asking your neighborhood market guys what they think about all this, shop for a new cell phone and ask sharmute his thoughts, do not hesitate to ask, the public will be needed at this level.
"If there is one thing upon the earth that mankind love and admire better than another, it is a brave man,... it is the man who dares to look the devil in the face and tell him he is a devil".
James A. Garfield
at February 4, 2005 6:06 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146128,00.html
Official: Ukraine Sold Iran, China Cruise Missiles
Wednesday, February 02, 2005
KIEV, Ukraine — A senior lawmaker alleges that Ukraine sold nuclear-capable cruise missiles to Iran and China in violation of international nonproliferation treaties and is demanding the new government launch a full investigation.
The allegations were made in a letter — made available to The Associated Press on Tuesday — by lawmaker Hrihory Omelchenko (search) and addressed to President Viktor Yushchenko (search), a reformist who took office last week.
Yushchenko, who takes over from Leonid Kuchma (search), has promised a thorough investigation of corruption and misdeeds that allegedly flourished during his predecessor's 10 years as president.
Kuchma allegedly sanctioned the sale of sophisticated radar systems to Iraq in 2002, contravening U.N. sanctions.
In the letter, Omelchenko said an investigation launched last summer "proved that some 20 air-launched Kh-55 (search) and Kh-55M (search) cruise missiles with nuclear capability were exported to third countries" in contravention of international treaties.
"Six missiles destined for Russia ended up in Iran ... six missiles destined for Russia ended up in China" the letter said. It said the exports occurred during 1999 to 2001.
Omelchenko is an ally of Yulia Tymoshenko (search), who has been nominated as Ukraine's next prime minister.
Vyacheslav Astapov, a spokesman for Ukraine's Prosecutor-General, said the office began an investigation into the alleged sales last summer and "this year we received new information."
Astapov also said a top-ranking Iranian diplomat in Ukraine met with Prosecutor-General Svyatoslav Piskun, but he did not elaborate.
Iranian diplomats in Kiev were not available for comment.
Omelchenko also claimed that businessmen from several enterprises — including state-run weapons exporter Ukrspetseksport (search) and its daughter companies — companies in the United States, Cyprus and Iran and individuals from the Ukrainian security service shared hefty profits from several illicit defense deals that included sales of radar equipment to Eritrea.
Officials from the Ukrspetseksport and the Ukrainian Security Service were unavailable for comment.
American diplomats in Kiev were "aware of the reports" on illicit missile sales and took them "very seriously," a U.S. embassy spokesman said.
"Nonproliferation remains a key pillar in the global war on terror in which Ukraine is a close partner," the spokesman said on condition of anonymity.
The Kh-55, known in the West as the AS-15, has a range of 3,000 kilometers (1,860 miles) and is designed to carry a 200-kiloton nuclear warhead. It is designed for use on Russian-made Tupolev long-range bombers.
Iran's air force does not operate such planes, but some military analysts have suggested that its Soviet-built Su-24 strike aircraft could be adapted to use the Kh-55.
China operates about 120 H-6 medium-range bombers.
In the early 1990s, Ukraine renounced the nuclear armaments it inherited in the breakup of the Soviet Union and said it shipped all of its nuclear warheads to Russia for decommissioning under U.S. control.
The country remains a sizable producer of weapons, including missiles, aircraft and tanks. Exports are largely to other former Soviet republics, Asia and Africa.
Last year Ukrainian police arrested four men from Greece, Pakistan and Iraq on suspicion of attempted illegal weapons trade worth more than $800 million for an unspecified force fighting in Iraq.
Last March, former Defense Minister Yevhen Marchuk (search) warned that several hundred Soviet-built SA-2 surface-to-air missiles are unaccounted for.
Defense officials later claimed that these missiles from arsenals in former Warsaw Pact member countries had been brought to Ukraine for decommissioning and were lost due to "accounting problems" and "the absence of records."
http://www.wabcradio.com/listenlive.asp
SEAMS THE KILLER THIEF WAS CAUGHT LOOKS LIKE HE WAS KILLING WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS JEWISH JEWLERS??
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God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight and Courage to stay the course to Destroy ALL islamic terrorist and ALL who Support them Open the Worlds Eyes to their Evil and give the World Courage to stand and Fight this Evil Amen
at February 4, 2005 6:28 PM
The world should be very happy Bush is asking for another $420 Billion in "Peace and Tolerance" funds from the Pentagon. I'm sure it will purchase enough intimidation to "keep the peace".
Happiest troll around!
Just don't call me Muslim because my views make actual sense!
at February 4, 2005 7:01 PM
90 % peaceful Muslims? leaves 120 Million Jihad Shahids who want to kill us. You sure it's only 10% radicals? I think it's probably the other way around.
Either way, the rest is guilty by association. And this is not a matter of us vilifying them, (as they would gladly have it) it is the other way around. But how do we get the message out there so that even the looney lefties and the ignorant among us finally come to grips with what's coming?
How did they ever manage to be seen as the underdog, the ones that are being targeted rather than seen and exposed as the villains they are?
How come the so called ' Palestinians', these fanatical masses made of Arab incest and Syphilis, are getting any credibility at all in the West when at the same time Israel is being vilified contrary to clear evidence (on a daily basis, just for defending itself?)
Latest demonstrations of settlers showed signs such as: "Jews plant trees, Arabs plant Bombs"= when will we have enough of hijack, terror, murder, lies and deceit? when do we learn to hate with a clear concience? When are we ready to pay them back in kind?
at February 4, 2005 9:12 PM
Here is the AIM website on the subject of Churchill-
http://www.aimovement.org/moipr/churchill05.html
Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 5, 2005 1:43 PM
Here is a picture of Ward Churchill... now why wouldn't I want him teaching our kids?
http://www.satyamag.com/sat.site.images/churchill.jpg
Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 5, 2005 2:02 PM
Forgive me if my cynical nature promps me to ask this question but no on else has. Do you believe Fox News when they said they had not known of the email when they sent a crew to film you? Has Fox News decided to become the new C-Span and cover random political and philosophical speeches?
Posted by: ttonn at February 5, 2005 3:16 PM
The email came out only shortly before the event itself. FOX has actually been the only local media brave enough to cover this project critically, investigating the ISB's connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, etc... They really should be applauded.
BTW, discussion of the talk with audio for download here: http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archives/005380.shtml
Posted by: Solomon at February 5, 2005 3:48 PM
Good comments, Terminator. My own personal view, is that every single Muslim I see or read about is a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer. How else could the shocking inaction and screaming silence to all the 50+ years of Islamic atrocities be explained?? Any real peaceful culture would not abide "clerics" inciting their followers to go murder others. A peaceful culture would shout with condemnation and expel any "teacher" in their midst who would fill young kids' minds with the most vile hateful mental sewerage from the earliest age. Any halfway sane culture would lauugh off as the ravings from some deranged lunatic anyone telling their kids that they will get a free pass to "Paradise" and hook up with 70 virgins if they will just go commit murder against innocent civilians. But in Islam, you have mothers (!) telling a fawning press how proud they are of their little Johnny Jihad going and murdering a bunch of Jews on a bus.
I stand with all of you on this who've posted such thoughtful comments on this site. It's about time Islam was called to account. I adopt a Marine Corps slogan as my own......no better friend, no worse enemy.
Posted by: MidKnightRyder at February 5, 2005 4:07 PM
Unfortunately I am not good at keeping the right documents at hand (like Catherine always does)
But I remember vividly a published interview with one fat cat Saudi 'prince' who states clearly:
"There is NO difference between 'moderate' Islam, militant Islam or any other form of Islam, there is only Islam..."
By this of course he meant the Wahabi variety, which is the literal interpretation of the Qu'ran which makes no beef about the call for Jihad and conquest and all the rest of it.
Posted by: Terminator at February 5, 2005 7:32 PM
Without Fox News...local and/or National...we would
be hard pressed to hear anything negative about
our peaceful brethren, the Wahabists.
at February 5, 2005 10:09 PM
FOX news has been suffering some setbacks of late and I believe they are caving in to pressure from others??????......still no one has ever reported in depth as to NJ Copts......coverage and interviews.......dont get me wrong here as fox is my choice for news but it has changed.
Posted by: Chuck at February 6, 2005 8:43 AM
Folks,
There are many comments today (as there often are) about how difficult it is to deal with the threat posed by Islam.
There are two major shields protecting Islam from any effective response, and they are:
1) Political Correctness, a Post-Modernist concept, and
2) The idea that a major monotheistic religion can never be an evil construct.
Until and unless we are willing to deal with each of these shields, we will remain at risk, and condemned to living on the defensive for all time.
Just watch the background talks about all the security at the Super Bowl today. It is insane to accept the need to live this way.
Posted by: cubed
at February 6, 2005 12:06 PM
Literal version of the Qur'an? What other version could there possibly be?
And the literal version says that if you don't participate in or financially support Jihand, you are a hypocrite and are at least destined for hell (where Allah resides personally torturing inhabitants, it says) and more importantly, subject to immediate murder.
at February 9, 2005 12:06 PM
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