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Addled Leftist lawyer guilty of abetting the global jihad. Why did she do it? Check this out: "To rid ourselves of the entrenched, voracious type of capitalism that is in this country that perpetuates sexism and racism, I don't think that can come nonviolently." So she thinks that the likes of the jihadist Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman are going to end sexism and racism? Imagine her surprise if her friends and allies actually took power!
"Lawyer Convicted of Helping Terrorists," from AP, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
NEW YORK - A veteran civil rights lawyer was convicted Thursday of crossing the line by smuggling messages of violence from one of her jailed clients — a radical Egyptian sheik — to his terrorist disciples on the outside.The jury has been deliberating off-and-on over the past month in the case of Lynne Stewart, 65, a firebrand, left-wing activist known for representing radicals and revolutionaries in her 30 years on the New York legal scene. The jury deliberated 13 days in all.
Stewart faces up to 20 years in prison on charges that included conspiracy, giving material support to terrorists and defrauding the U.S. government....
The jury also convicted a U.S. postal worker, Ahmed Abdel Sattar, of plotting to "kill and kidnap persons in a foreign country" by publishing an edict urging the killing of Jews and their supporters. A third defendant, Arabic interpreter Mohamed Yousry, was convicted of providing material support to terrorists. Sattar could face life in prison and Yousry up to 20 years.
Stewart was the lawyer for Omar Abdel-Rahman, a blind sheik sentenced to life in prison in 1996 for conspiring to assassinate Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and destroy several New York landmarks, including the U.N. building and the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels. Stewart's co-defendants also had close ties to Abdel-Rahman.
Prosecutors said Stewart and the others carried messages between the sheik and senior members of a Egyptian-based terrorist organization, helping spread Abdel-Rahman's venomous call to kill those who did not subscribe to his extremist interpretation of Islamic law....
Stewart, who once represented Weather Underground radicals and mob turncoat Sammy "The Bull" Gravano, repeatedly declared her innocence, maintaining she was unfairly targeted by overzealous prosecutors.
But she also testified that she believed violence was sometimes necessary to achieve justice: "To rid ourselves of the entrenched, voracious type of capitalism that is in this country that perpetuates sexism and racism, I don't think that can come nonviolently."
Posted by Robert at February 10, 2005 5:05 PM
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Excuse me, how can helping the most racist, sexist, hateful religion in history help in her fight against sexism and racism? Is she nuts? Her sentence should be life in SA.
Posted by: Carolyn2
at February 10, 2005 5:24 PM
Do all these yahoo's not realize that their free to leave this wicked evil western society,or are they just plain stupid and are hell bend on destroying anything they dislike.
at February 10, 2005 5:33 PM
Just think where we'd be if Edwards (a leftist lawyer like her) were VP... the lawyers would have a field day with the US.
Go Supreme Court Retirees!
Posted by: Gary
at February 10, 2005 5:38 PM
Yes! She really seems to believe her rantings. Hopefully, a nice long stay in prison will help her work out her issues.
Posted by: misskitty
at February 10, 2005 6:03 PM
EARTH TO LYNN STEWART:
It may come as a shock to you, oh Grand Poobah, but millions of people who live in this country actually want and will DEFEND the "entrenched, voracious kind of capitalism that is in this country that perpetuates sesism and racism." Who do you think put it here, Neptune? It may also come as a shock to you that for that reason it may not come at all, violence or no.
No one asked you, oh Grand Poobah, to decide for the American people what justice is, how we should live or what type of economic system we should allow to prevail. It has escaped you completely that the people of America are perfectly capable of reforming their country and economics themselves without resorting to flirting with an ideology that has slaughtered hundreds of millions of hunman over the past 13 centuries as you have done (why you wouldn't want to reform Islam, if it were possible--but isn't--instead of America the Almighty only knows). In reality, you are just another egomaniacal fathead who has decided they are smarter than everybody else and therefore has the right to impose (or inflict as the case may be) your grand delusions on everyone else. And in order to do this you have consorted with Islamic 'terrorists'--or more -presisely, human sacrifice specialists to whom human life and suffering mean nothing.
At least in your lengthy prison sentence (which I am absolutely delighted you have been accorded), you will be spared contact with this 'entrenched, voracious capitalism' and its attendant 'sexism and racism' you have demeaned yourself so atrociously to attack.
Posted by: pythagoras
at February 10, 2005 6:10 PM
Other extremist leftists, Chomsky, Sontag and now this idiot.
Posted by: Franze
at February 10, 2005 6:29 PM
Greetings everyone, I have been a JWer for a while now and due to some social dilema's I am currently facing has given thought to change my name here so as to not to impede me in the near future; now this has nothing to do with anything here (unfortunatley)or what we do, so the artiste formerly know as ???????????? has now been retired.
Posted by: hadithher2
at February 10, 2005 6:46 PM
Treason is treason no matter how you try to disguise it and this lady is every bit a traitor as:
The most famous, and controversial, spy of World War One, though not American, was Mata Hari - actually Margaretha Geertruida Zelle McLeod - a Dutch born woman who carried embellishment and exotic stripping to an art form. But was she ever really a spy? So many myths and legends have surrounded her past that it's hard to tell reality from mystery. She was an admitted courtesan, was not as she invented, an exotic dancer from India, and she was shot by the French as a spy on October 15th 1917. Historians now say that her principal French accuser was in reality a spy for the Germans and that her death was as much a needless charade as were her bumbled attempts at spying.
What minute part did she play in the 9-11-01 attack?were the things she passed off part of this attack?if she should be so lucky as to die in prison?she should be deported?how does a woman find this at all appealing?my god they hate woman and most of them are gay.imagine what or if her ethics as a lawyer were?how many people did she ruin?i feel much for her family and friends...the betrayal they must feel and all the staring eyes wondering if they are like their mother/friend?
Posted by: hadithher2
at February 10, 2005 6:57 PM
Lynne Stewart got what was coming to her. I hope her case sets an example for the other anti-American leftist liberals who continuously try to disrupt the American way of life under the guise of free speech, when in actuality they are committing treason, using our Constitution. Stupid is as stupid does, and she'll think about that for at least 10 years in a Fed Pen.
As for "haddither2", Shiva, stop trying to be so sly. Your posts and your raves remain worthy of my "speedscroll". How transparent can one be? Oh, by the way, how's life in Indonesia right now in your factory? You are so full of bullshi'ite your eyes are brown.
Just Linda
at February 10, 2005 7:06 PM
Nope Linda, it's not Shiva. There is a feature on the page that gives a little information.
Posted by: Carolyn2
at February 10, 2005 7:38 PM
This only further goes to prove that the liberal leftist agenda includes the defamation, degradation, and destruction of the USA. The left aid and abet with terrorists, and this is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
May Lynne Stewart rot in prison, traitorous (expletive).
Posted by: uskafir
at February 10, 2005 7:47 PM
She has to be mentally unhinged. She makes no sense with her statement about sexism and racism in relation to the scumbag she's defending. She must know what he stands for. But I suppose if you're a real raving loony leftie, you can't see anything through the haze of your hatred for capitalism.
Yes, why doesn't she and her ilk move to countries that aren't suffering under the scourge of capitalism, instead of trying to mess up the country for everyone else who doesn't share her whacko ideas? I guess that's part of the totalitarian mindset. There's no such thing as choice or respect for what others want. It's what you want, dammit! and you'll shove it down everyone's else's throats. No wonder she's got the hots for vermin like Rahman. They think alike, even though out of the two, I'd have to admit Rahman is the more intelligent one. She's a complete idiot to think he's an ally. He's using her and she's too stupid to figure it out.
at February 10, 2005 8:13 PM
Urghkkk.,..sorry i just threwup a little in my mouth
Who is Lynne Stewart?
Radical human rights attorney Lynne Stewart has been falsely accused of helping terrorists. On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, she was arrested and agents searched her Manhattan office for documents. She was arraigned before Manhattan federal Judge John Koetl. This is an obvious attempt by the U.S. government to silence dissent and install fear in those who would fight against the U.S. government's racism, seek to help Arabs and Muslims being prosecuted for free speech and defend the rights of all oppressed people.
Sadly this creature has atttracted a following of worshipers....How can people be so lazy as to not get to the bottom of things? ...why do so many let others do thier thinking for them????
My journey into education of "WHY" was one small word...."apostate"........
From there i did my own work for a long time before i happend across Jihad Watch
..Sad that so many are so in love with the 60's attitudes that USA is soooooo evil....A very large almost unthinking behemoth biting its own wounds perhaps, but not evil...
at February 10, 2005 8:27 PM
"Lynne Stewart convicted of aiding jihad terrorists"
Nay nay nay nay... nay nay nay nay... hey hey... goodbye.....
Posted by: Sheik Canuck (swt)
at February 10, 2005 9:00 PM
O.T.
Click hear Linda Allen sing "Where I Stand," which she performed September 19 at an event for folk singers concerned with social justice.
http://www.lynnestewart.org/LindaAllenWhereIStand.mp3
hehehehe....
Posted by: Sheik Canuck (swt)
at February 10, 2005 9:03 PM
OT- I saw Ward Churchill refered to as Ward "Mosquehill" at
http://atlasshrugs.blogspot.com/
Pretty funny.
Posted by: Carolyn2
at February 10, 2005 9:19 PM
Goodness, not sure which of the two is the more hideous looking. Rahman or Stewart? He should be thankful he's blind. She's blind too, but not in the visual sense. Blind to reality.
Posted by: feralee
at February 10, 2005 9:20 PM
She's out on bond until mid July when her sentence will be handed down. Hope she gets the MAX! Any chance she might be a flight risk? I think so.
Posted by: fox1
at February 10, 2005 9:34 PM
A communist by any other stripe.
An anarchist with the desire to be written into the history book which no one will read.
A nihilist along the lines of Sergei Nechayev.
Islam precedes these decaying wannabees, but "Catechism of a Revolutionist" (1869) is almost a contemporary rehash of the proto-insurrectionist, Muhammad
Posted by: eschwapp
at February 10, 2005 10:04 PM
Her diatribe is no less virulent that that from a plethora of left wing professors and academics we hear almost every day !
The hatred of America and the desire to destroy democracy is firmly entrenched and our bright young students are constantly exposed ot this POISON.
It is absolutely sacandalous.
In Australia, the Head of English for NSW schools recently admitted that he "had failed". Not in the teaching of English and the high illteracy and poor command of the language amongst school graduates but in the fact that School graduates are voting for the Howard government and not the "socially conscious" left!
Why are thay voting for John Howard?
Because according to Sawyer, thay have failed to develop inquiring and critical minds, which would have led them to vote for the socialist left.
Proffessor Wayne Sawyer cannot tolerate deviancy from his political viewpoints. This lack of objectivism is the worst of hypocrisies , since he bestows on his own students the very bigotry which he is himself guilty of.
And that is the global problem of the "liberal intellectuals globally
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12210556%255E7583,00.html
Posted by: george
at February 10, 2005 10:42 PM
Personally think this nutty lawyer should be dumped in the Middle East, preferably in Iran where she can test out her crazy theories... Wouldn't take long before she'd be hanging from a crane - after 'free speech' and proclaiming her 'rights' - and can die without worrying about her sexuality in a burka!!
Posted by: Morgane
at February 10, 2005 10:49 PM
Idiots like this Sawyer don't want kids to develop inquiring and critical minds . They just want to dictate to their students what they should be thinking and believing in. And in meantime, he doesn't care about the subject he's paid to teach our kids - English. They come out of school unable to put together a proper, easily understood English sentence. But they're good at disrupting speakers, assaulting cops, destroying property, and mindlessly repeating all the trendy, approved loony leftie mantras of the day.
I laugh at people like Sawyer. They suffered a crushing defeat, a massive blows to their overinflated egos. We voted John Howard in. AGAIN! LOL! They will never get over it.
Posted by: feralee
at February 10, 2005 10:54 PM
Above OT comment for george, two messages ago. Sorry.
Posted by: feralee
at February 10, 2005 10:55 PM
Yes, morgane, perfect place for nuts like her, and all these clueless, converted women who sit their in their bedsheets telling us how Islam is wonderful for women. So easy to spout rubbish like that, in the safety, stability and protection of the West. Lynn Stewart is lucky she doesn't live in one of her sexism-free, racism-free, capitalism-free Islamic paradises. For openly spewing such hatred and criticism for the state there, she'd have been beaten to death years ago.
Posted by: feralee
at February 10, 2005 10:58 PM
Just_Linda
Firstly my eyes are Islamic green !!!!
Secondly I,m full of Pig shi,ite !!!!
Thirdly it please,s me that you speed-scroll,should give you more time to nuke liver in your micro-wave to give your rottwieller as a reward when you parade it outside the local mosque every friday,
Fourthly,when you know how to play the game Indonesia is a great place to be,just a small handfull of Islam dick who are skrewing everything up for the majority
And finally I hope that Lynne Stewart gets max
Carolyn2
Nope Linda, it's not Shiva.
Thanks
at February 10, 2005 11:03 PM
""To rid ourselves of the entrenched, voracious type of capitalism that is in this country that perpetuates sexism and racism, I don't think that can come nonviolently."
If Stewart was at all educated about Islam (which she is not, obviously), she would not be making such a stupid statement like this.
Send her to SA, have her wear an abayaa, then we'll see how "liberated" she becomes over there. Ingrate.
Posted by: abad
at February 11, 2005 12:22 AM
Just today there was another raid on a house in Canada and a massive cache of weapons and ammunition was found along with several Emergency
team uniforms,Police,Ambulance,and badges from several U.S. states with matching colors for each states real uniforms.
The last time this happened in Toronto late last year the person arrested was named...ready now....Muhammad,some information is still coming out but if it's anything like the Hamilton case with the terrorists that was firebombing Governemnt buildings,I doubt the name will be public since the Muslim criminals aren't identified until conviction and sentencing.
This overt protection of Muslims by the media and police only add to the perception that Muslims are hiding the truth level of al-Qaeda
supporters in American Mosques and living next door to you.
Remember the JW story of the Muslim trying to buy used emergency vehicles in Florida at a surplus auction,wake up ACLU,having rights means nothing if you're on a plane with a Islamist that wants you to be Dead-Right".
at February 11, 2005 12:32 AM
I would like to add that the green of my eyes is the only thing Islamic about me.
I would also like to point out that a lot of posters/posers here know much more about Islam than I do,but have no clue about the majority of muslims.
I have for the last 8-10 years lived amongst muslims,and I have seen first hand the shit many of have to go through because of Islam.
at February 11, 2005 2:04 AM
Well shiva who's fault is that?
Of course its those Jews and Yanks,right?
I don't care what shit muslims go through they deserve all of it and more .
Prove to me there is a God,until then Religion can go to buggery
at February 11, 2005 2:27 AM
Hi all,
I was mildly amused when reading this story. Ofcourse it is now no laughing matter for Lynne, but a penny for her thoughts a couple of years into her jail sentence.
But the point I am interested in is that Lynne has been a top lawyer for 30 years, she has seen and savioured democratic freedom and rewards, I mean you people are dying in Iraq for that ..right....right!
So how can a blind and ugly muslim in jail turn someone like Lynne. Being blind and in jail what would he know about freedom?
Is the infedel faith & spirit so shallow?
Ofcourse in some cases I think it probably isn't, I hear of many thousands of infedel soldiers paying the ultimate price for trying to replace sharia with democracy ....at least that's what is said in public, but that's another story.
What this shows though is that a powerful, Western , smooth political and military machine on a troubled Islam is not enough....in your eyes each and every individual needs to be "JW aware"....and there in lies the rub.
Because the modern American is brought up on shallow materialistic values & not spiritual values he/she is extremely vunerable to powerful ideologies...say what you like about Islam...(which you usually do) you cannot deny it's attraction power.
I think this case demonstrates better than anything I could write about why Islam will become a "global brand of power this century".
Imagine if someone like Condaleeza Rice was "turned", you were already talking about her nievety yesterday. Best get her "JW'ed" pretty quickly then.
Just imagine this scenario...Bush starts another pointless fight with Iran(eh Islam)...gets into trouble & is replaced by a leftist (eh democrat) president who wants to become a friend of Islam...wants to build bridges.....lets Israel fend for itself (which ofcourse it can do admirably).
Don't assume anything, Islam get stronger through suffering....this man's faith (misguided though he is) has not been shaken by prison. He doesn't miss your TV (full of materialistic adverts), he cannot see. He listens to Egypt's news service on Short Wave radio and to CDs of the Koran....and I'm sure that Lynne did too...and will do so while affirming her faith in prision.
Posted by: Naseem
at February 11, 2005 5:13 AM
Remember: DON'T feed the troll!
Radio "Headhacker" is on Air now.
Posted by: nippon
at February 11, 2005 5:24 AM
"Lynne Stewart convicted of aiding jihad terrorists"
My god this woman has won the lottery!!!. If her plot had succeeded things would have been a thousand times worse for her.
P.S.
To Naseem:
There are insane people in this world. Insanity isn't restricted to the non-professional classes. Being well educated or bright sadly isn't a guarantee against becoming a complete banana. My advice to you is....don't take the advice of a banana split when judging the merits of a political system.
at February 11, 2005 5:25 AM
Ooooops...i meant: Radio "Ahmadiyya"
Posted by: nippon
at February 11, 2005 5:26 AM
Apologies to any who have been charged and convicted of trolling on my name, it worked very quick, now if the plastic surgery works as well i should be ok.
is good is good.
something here that all of us should know:
Until God raises up some modern day Patrick Henrys and John Witherspoons, it seems that the United States will continue its collapse into ever increasing servitude. Therefore, don't be surprised if when the next Heritage report comes out that America is not even among the top twenty freest nations on earth. The only surprising thing would be if anyone noticed. © 2005 Chuck Baldwin - All Rights Reserved
Henry, Patrick (1736-1799), was a distinguished statesman, lawyer, and orator at the time of the Revolutionary War in America. He is remembered most for the words, "Give me liberty or give me death," which, according to tradition, he spoke in 1775 before the Virginia Provincial Convention. Henry was urging that the Virginia militia be armed for defense of the colony against England. A man who heard many of Henry's speeches once said of the orator: "He is by far the most powerful speaker I ever heard. Every word he says not only engages but commands the attention." Henry was also an excellent politician and administrator. Henry served as the governor of Virginia during the Revolutionary War.
Witherspoon, John (1723-1794), was a leader in American political, religious, and educational life. He served in the Continental Congress and signed the Declaration of Independence. Witherspoon was born on Feb. 5, 1723, in Scotland. He was a Presbyterian minister before coming to America in 1768 to become president of the College of New Jersey (now Princeton University). After the Revolutionary War in America (1775-1783), he continued his duties as college president. He died on Nov. 15, 1794.
at February 11, 2005 6:38 AM
I believe I know who "hadithher2" is. Am I supposed to tell or not?
Posted by: CGW
at February 11, 2005 7:30 AM
CGW ...go on then tell all, who is hadithhet2!
& by the way it is not me. I have no need to change my identity.
Posted by: Naseem
at February 11, 2005 8:34 AM
Ala-sux:
"Just today there was another raid on a house in Canada and a massive cache of weapons and ammunition was found along with several Emergency
team uniforms,Police,Ambulance,and badges from several U.S. states with matching colors for each states real uniforms".
If you get this comment , could you supply me with the newspaper that has the article on the above.
Sincerely
Mackie
at February 11, 2005 8:43 AM
Re: : hadithher2's former ID...
The "farmers' apostophes" are a bit of a signature.
"Don't assume anything, Islam get stronger through suffering....this man's faith (misguided though he is) has not been shaken by prison. He doesn't miss your TV (full of materialistic adverts), he cannot see. He listens to Egypt's news service on Short Wave radio and to CDs of the Koran....and I'm sure that Lynne did too...and will do so while affirming her faith in prision.
Posted by: Naseem at February 11, 2005 05:13 AM "
As though Naseem's gormlessness and credulity are'nt enough, what a testimonial to the faith of Islam and its strength, eh?
Posted by: waterdragon52
at February 11, 2005 9:20 AM
I just heard that crying, boo-hooing thing on NPR driving in. Lynne Stewart is a prime example of someone educated beyond their intelligence. Her inflated sense of self-importance is evident whenever she speaks about how lawyers should be allowed free-reign to operate in defense of their clients. Any reasonably intelligent person would see “lawyers with free-reign” as definitely not a good thing.
She lied, she broke the law, and she endangered an untold number of people with her callous disregard for public safety. She needs to go to jail for a long time.
at February 11, 2005 9:35 AM
hadither2: John Witherspoon wouldn't get far in today's America due to our Supreme Court's doctrine of the Separation of Church and State. As a matter of fact, because of Witherspoon's signature, the Supreme Court is now mulling over whether or not New Jersey's being a part of the USA is unconstitutional, since a clergyman represented it at the signing of the Declaration of Independence (Witherspoon's status as a Presbyterian minister didn't end when he immigrated: he left that career when they buried him). Son-of-Albion or anyone else, since I was born in New Jersey (Bawned in Nawt' Joisey, as we natives say), do you have any advice if my natal state gets retroceded? LOL
Posted by: Kepha1
at February 11, 2005 9:45 AM
BTW, it's about time Lynne Stewart did some time. I've even heard liberal lawyers in New York call her "that silly woman".
Also, Shiva, while I hold no candle for Islam and think that if we get into a war we need to win it, I'm glad you're still posting. Much as I'd like to see OBL dying in an orange jumpsuit on an American prison gurney (if he isn't dead of kidney failure by now), I demurr at the suggestion that ALL Muslims are pro-terrorist.
Posted by: Kepha1
at February 11, 2005 9:50 AM
I believe I know who "hadithher2" is. Am I supposed to tell or not?
Posted by: CGW
yes you can tell if you know.i'm just ducking under some radars that pray for my ruination.
Posted by: hadithher2
at February 11, 2005 10:48 AM
So - to eliminate sexism, racism, and discrimination, it's all right to use violence?
I had no idea she supported the war in Iraq.
Also humourous - Naseem's little slip in calling us "infidels".
I'm an infidel, Naseem. And I own you.
Geoff
"Now 50% Less Vitriol"
at February 11, 2005 12:29 PM
Naseem
Keep on provocating,and enjoy the freedom while it lasts,because if there is a very,very small chance you are are right[which I strongely doudt]then the freedom to provocate will be lost forever
I do think you will have so much fun with the Paki/Indie forums
cheers
at February 11, 2005 2:56 PM
Would it be incorrect to classify a non-Christian as an islamic infidel?
Posted by: cross
at February 11, 2005 3:01 PM
JWers
At least nassem is much better than this crowd
Check this out
http://forumhub.com/indsports/29873.16.34.06.html%20-%2016k
And this is a sports site
at February 11, 2005 3:05 PM
Morgane sez:
Personally think this nutty lawyer should be dumped in the Middle East, preferably in Iran where she can test out her crazy theories.
Not Iran, the Mullahs will give her the red carpet treatment, and besides Iran allows women to vote,even though there is only one party.
Saudi Arabia, women can't vote, can't drive, can't mingle, can't talk and she would benefit from being covered up by an Abaya.
Better choice is Sudan, dump her and her black husband into Darfur, with the Christian and Animist blacks, that way she can experience Arab "eqalitarianism"
Racism at root of Darfur's Problem From CS Monitor, bad part of the article is that it goes all too lightly on the Islamism behind the racism in Darfur and Southern Sudan.
Maybe Lynne should have a conversation with Sudan's prominent feminist writer,Kola Boof who "will not be silent"
Alas, me things Stewart is like all ideologues, left and right, they have on their blinders.
Posted by: Giaour
at February 11, 2005 4:21 PM
Naseem-
Interesting post. I found this comment particularly worthy of note:
"Is the infedel faith & spirit so shallow?"
It may very well be, Naseem. We are living in a terribly nihilistic period right now, and this has created the inevitable moral vacuum that accompanies such nihilism.
In this nihilistic moral vacuum it makes perfect sense that the attraction of Islam would be quite powerful, because Islam itself is a nihilistic ideology. It views material existence as profane, meaningless and without value. It amplifies this perception on the dar al-Harb because it does not share the dar al-Islam's self-sanctified view of Existence.
The good news for the dar al-Harb, however, is that this nihilism is a cyclical phenomenon - it is not going to last forever. In fact, one can already see signs that it is dissipating, and with it, Islam's appeal and power.
at February 11, 2005 4:26 PM
Kepha1
John Witherspoon wouldn't get far in today's America due to our Supreme Court's doctrine of the Separation of Church and State.
I hope for posterities sake, that the doctrine is maintained.
Muslims have an exponential birthrate. Which is causing serious problems in Eurabia.
The wall of seperation must be maintained,lest our grandchildren have to pledge allegiance to the Islamic Republic of America, one nation under Allah (swt) with Shari'a for all.
Be careful for what you wish, you just might get it, and unintended adverse consequences as well.
For our own protection and that of our children, that separation wall must be fortified, not knocked down.
Posted by: Giaour
at February 11, 2005 4:39 PM
I find I am actually in agreement with giaour. Of course, this is why I oppose leftist thinking in the first place... since they do a Grand job of tearing things down.
Posted by: Gary
at February 11, 2005 5:04 PM
"Don't assume anything, Islam get stronger through suffering....this man's faith (misguided though he is) has not been shaken by prison. He doesn't miss your TV (full of materialistic adverts), he cannot see. He listens to Egypt's news service on Short Wave radio and to CDs of the Koran....and I'm sure that Lynne did too...and will do so while affirming her faith in prision.Posted by: Naseem at February 11, 2005 05:13 AM "
Sadly, or to the ultimate dismay of the west this statement is true. In fact it is by "suffering" that Christianity came to birth, without the cult of Christian martyrs, you probably would never have heard of Christianity.
Of course, this is why I oppose leftist thinking in the first place... since they do a Grand job of tearing things down.
Yegads Gary grow up and start talking as if you had an IQ over 100.
It is man's nature to tear down that which he does not build or in which he has no investment, just look at what man has done to man over the millenia of wars. We tear down the temples and structures of others and then mark the territory by putting up our own, which are then tore down by another competitor.
And when you have a decrepitand dysfunctional structure, the only thing you can rationally do, if you want to save the neighborhood, is tear down the structure.
But you really must get beyond your dichotomous left v right, Manichean mindset, it is how we are divided against each other, and thus conquered and enslaved.
The ruling elite (and yes they exist) dont' have to hold us down to put chains on us, we scream and demand that we be enslaved, by playing on our fears and needs.. our team mentality.
And yes I preach the same to "leftists" and "libertarians" and frankly get as much caca and denial in that quarter as this.
You have a lot of "brothers" and "sisters" on the left Gary. Same mindset, same mentality, just a different cause.
Posted by: Giaour
at February 11, 2005 6:53 PM
My real problem with you Gary. You can't post anything on any subject without venting against your personal bete noire, your boogey man, the left.
It detracts from what would be otherwise good contributions, but also indicates a lot of fear,hatred and bloody rage, you need mental health time. Seriously.
I honestly have difficulty, speaking as one just traveling through this solar system, of making a fine distinction between you and those whom you hate and fear.
Two peas in a pod.
It's my observation that opinions of those who consider themself "left" as regards the "right" are not universals, but stereotpyes, and so often wrong, and vice versa.
But leave it the two legged hairless ape, if the round peg doesn't fit into the square hole, he will smash it with a sledgehammer until it does :)
Posted by: Giaour
at February 11, 2005 7:01 PM
"Don't assume anything, Islam get stronger through suffering....this man's faith (misguided though he is) has not been shaken by prison. He doesn't miss your TV (full of materialistic adverts), he cannot see. He listens to Egypt's news service on Short Wave radio and to CDs of the Koran....and I'm sure that Lynne did too...and will do so while affirming her faith in prison.
Posted by: Naseem at February 11, 2005 05:13 AM "
Nasseem must be holed up somewhere with no contact with the outside world.
To make a statement that Abdel-Rahman or any other convicted felon who is incarcerated in a Federal Penitentiary gets to listen to a short wave radio is preposterous. If he is lucky he might get to hear some cnn coming from a wall mounted TV somewhere in the public area. This is whenever the guards let his as* out of his little cell which maybe for about 8 hours a day then it's back to his little cell. What a nightmare.
What Abdel-Rahman hears night and day is incessant noise coming from the other inmates and the constant slamming of iron doors. The noise alone will wear on this guy’s brain night and day. He's actually lucky to be blind so he doesn't have to see the misery as well.
If this kind of suffering makes one stronger then in a few years this guy ought to be the biggest hulk you've ever seen. But, this guy won't last long; his health will fail pretty quickly.
For Giaour to agree with this nonsense is understandable. Two peas in a pod would indeed describe Nasseem and Giaour.
PS: The nerve of some outsider to critize our culture and our values. Note: Nasseem's "materialistic adverts" comment. What other kind of advert is there. What a ridiculous thing to say. I guess it's safe to assume that Nasseem does not own or operate a business.
PSS: The US and other Western countries were doing just fine until this Islam thing came on the scene.
at February 11, 2005 10:49 PM
Nasseem--
If Condi Rice was 'turned', she end up as dead as Ron Brown. And it would probably be in a plane crash, like Ron Brown.
But then, we wouldn't have Clinton to blame for her demise.
Anyway, dream on...Naseem
Posted by: SCV
at February 12, 2005 2:22 AM
Giaour~ I suspect I am hitting too close to the mark. Otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your time attacking one person (me) in such a demeaning, denigrating, demonizing, destructive fashion. Unfortunately for you I shall not be silenced. As with islam, your pet political/social projects shall also fail.
And you still read me entirely wrong.
Posted by: Gary
at February 12, 2005 4:15 PM


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