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Dear Dr. Badawi:
Below you will find Qur'anic references condoning a religious war, or jihad. Please send me one million dollars as per this statement from "Muslims seek tolerance" in NorthJersey.com (thanks to Susan):
Jamal Badawi, an economics professor and Muslim scholar, said the community has suffered from the media's portrayal of the Muslim holy book, the Quran, and in particular the suggestion that it condones a religious war, or jihad. He dismissed the idea, and jokingly offered $1 million to anyone who could find it in the Quran.
Here are the Qur'an quotes:
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (2:190-191)
Slay the disbelievers. Sounds like a religious war to me. So does this:
Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein. (2:216-217)
And this, which identifies the enemies of the Muslims as disbelievers and friends of Satan:
Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!" Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan. (4:74-76)
Here the religious warriors, or the angels who protect them, are to behead those who do not believe:
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." (8:12)
Cf. this verse, which also makes clear the religious character of the fight:
Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost. (47:4)
This one states the goal of the fighting in terms that also make clear that the war is religious:
And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. (8:39)
This one, like many others, makes it clear that the fighting that believers must do is not spiritual, but physical -- otherwise the promise that the believers will overcome long odds would make little or no sense:
O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding. (8:65)
This is the celebrated "Verse of the Sword":
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (9:5)
Again, hard to see that as spiritual or metaphorical fighting. And this one establishes that the warfare is against the People of the Book, that is, Jews and Christians:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29)
There are many other such passages in the Qur'an, but I think that should suffice, Dr. Badawi, for you to send me the million bucks. However, if you would like to see more, please let me know.
Please contact me at director@jihadwatch.org to arrange payment. I look forward to hearing from you.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
UPDATE: I haven't heard from Jamal yet, but I know he'll come through -- and in anticipation, I've made a few purchases. I'll be jetting off to Gstaad now in the new Jihad Watch learjet. More later!
UPDATE 2: Back from Gstaad. The learjet is great. Now the staff and I plan to spend a quiet evening sipping a very nice Ch. Mouton Rothschild 2000 Pauillac and relaxing in the new Jihad Watch heated indoor swimming pool. Thanks, Jamal!
Posted by Robert at February 14, 2005 1:24 PM
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In all seriousness, I think you have a good case. In the 80's Mel Mermelstein took the Institute for Historical Review to court and won. The IHR had offered a cash reward (I forget the amount) to anyone who could prove that the Holocaust ever happened. Mermelstein accepted the challenge and they refused to pay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Mermelstein
This is a great opportunity to have on judicial record that the Quran encourages violence against the nonbeliever.
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at February 14, 2005 1:59 PM
In France a history teacher was being attacked legally by MRAP, an anti-racism organisation with a very pro Islamic agenda. The 'crime' of this teacher was to say in a history lesson that 'Mohammed was a killer and a thief'. If you can understand a little French go here to read a little more about this.
http://www.france-echos.com/actualite.php?cle=3705
If anyone is interested in a translation I will be happy to do what I can.
The charges of racism against him were of course dropped but this teacher, along with the support of Le Figaro newspaper, is counter sueing MRAP for defamation of character. The opening of this case was on February 10th and the judge will present verdict on the 24th of March.
Should Mr Spencer decide to launch a launch a legal attack on Islam in the courts, I have no doubt that he would be one of the best qualified to win this.
Posted by: Sebastien at February 14, 2005 2:20 PM
Watching the Rev Randall Day dance around the obvious reminds me of why I left the Episcopal Church some time ago, and why however much I may want to, I know I can't go back. It wasn't "these murders" that "threaten" anything, as if "murders" are things in themselves. It was "those killers" that murdered "those people." Never underestimate the capacity of a human being to lie to himself in the face of what he doesn't want to see.
Posted by: longtime lurker at February 14, 2005 2:44 PM
Ahh... What a nice mail. What a superior answer, you rich bitch...
ana
Posted by: biker at February 14, 2005 2:56 PM
O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding. (8:65)Aside from voodoo talismans, magical incantations, evil eye stares, and witchcraft spells, how does one wage a "spiritual" struggle against Unbelievers and thus "vanquish" them?
at February 14, 2005 2:56 PM
OT Armanious Slaughter
Bergen Record (northjersey.com) has a lengthy article today.
Police are still focused on the robbery theory:
"The extent of Hossam Armanious' injuries also suggests a substantial effort was expended, possibly to get financial information from him, the source said.
Armanious clearly suffered the worst of the injuries, including numerous stab wounds, said an official with knowledge of the investigation."
Of course, the family feels otherwise:
"Do you think if it was financial they would not take the gold and a ring from my sister's finger?" said Ayman Garas, the dead woman's brother. "Do you think if Hossam had a lot of money he would have complained about his job not giving him enough hours?"
And a friend of Armanious shows worldly wisdom:
"Iscandar's own theory - which has no supportive evidence - is that a "sleeper cell from overseas" used a middleman in the United States to commit the crime. The killings, he said, are similar to those carried out by terrorists throughout the world, something he said Americans aren't used to seeing."
"Americans are stupid and naïve," Iscandar said. "They don't understand the Middle East."
Posted by: Howard at February 14, 2005 3:16 PM
I don't doubt that this was Islamic violence. I am just wondering why no group has claimed responsibility for the crime. Don't they usually brag about such things?
f.g.
Posted by: f.g. at February 14, 2005 3:28 PM
f.g.:
I believe that failure to claim responsibility lends to the theory that possibly a foreign agency was involved.
As far as the police claim that the murders were not planned, because the knives used were from the Armanious kitchen is complete bullhockey.
Crime weapons are frequently found in the least likely of places. Once found they can be traced through the chain of manufacture, sale, etc. This avenue of investigation is mooted by using instruments belonging to the victims.
Posted by: Howard at February 14, 2005 3:43 PM
dont spend it all in one place.
Posted by: hadithher2 at February 14, 2005 3:55 PM
*OJ whispers in DR.Badawi ear* "No no no,you don't actually pay the money,you just offer it and tell anyone who wants to claim it that they are wrong,no matter how many times they point at you."
JLP
Posted by: John Lee Pedimore at February 14, 2005 4:00 PM
Hi,
just looking for some informaion. I was related a story quite a while ago, that a is stone celtic located somewhere in southern ireland was found to contain arabic inscriptions. Does anyone know of similary related stories.
Also I saw a brief reference in this forum a some time back, relating to some arabic invaders setting foot in southern ireland.
Any suggestions as to where i can find further information would be appreciated.
Posted by: John B at February 14, 2005 4:12 PM
"Also I saw a brief reference in this forum a some time back, relating to some arabic invaders setting foot in southern ireland."
Never heard about it. But Ireland did have very early contact with Egyptian Coptic Christians. It is easy to see similarities between Celtic art from this age and Coptic art.
Posted by: Ali Dashti at February 14, 2005 4:30 PM
John B.:
if any Arabic writing was ever found in Ireland or elsewhere in Northern Europe, it was probably from Barbary pirates on slaving raids. They reached as far as Iceland and were not permanently stopped until the nineteenth century. There was practically no trade between the Arab world and free Europe except through some of the Italian city states; certainly no Arab would go to Ireland of his own free will except with violence in mind.
at February 14, 2005 4:43 PM
"Also I saw a brief reference in this forum a some time back, relating to some arabic invaders setting foot in southern ireland."
Perhaps you are referring to the slave raids of the Barbary Pirates? They did indeed take many fair-haired, fair-eyed Irish colleens for their harems from Ireland. Also from Iceland, and even from Nova Scotia.
Current historical estimates say the Barbary Pirates captured about 1 million Western European infidels for their harems.
(This total doesn't include the thousands, perhaps millions, of Christians & other infidels caputured into slavery via the Ottoman Janissarry raids into the Caucasus and other parts of the Russian Empire.)
Posted by: Suzan at February 14, 2005 4:47 PM
Dr. Badawi better come up with the money!
If he doesn't pay voluntarily, Robert Spencer may get Alan Dershowitz to represent him in court. I would say there is a good chance to win this one....!
Robert has won this one two hands down, but getting the $$$$ out of a Muzzie is quite another kettle of fish...
Posted by: Terminator at February 14, 2005 5:43 PM
There is a big difference between johnb and John B.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 14, 2005 7:00 PM
Hahahahaha!
Nice humor, nicer factual arguments. :)
Posted by: bastardos at February 14, 2005 7:45 PM
But you know what he'll say ... "out of context". They always do when caught out. Out of context. Catch-all phrase to slime away from the uncomfortable truths, disgusting hatred and exhortations to murder, all clearly & obviously stated in their Koran, and demonstrated repeatedly around the world. Or he'll demand to see your PhD in Islamic Studies. And if you continue to give well thought out, researched, truthful arguments, he'll just accuse you of being an Islamophobe and flounce off in a huff.
Posted by: feralee at February 14, 2005 8:45 PM
I know a few not so nice people who do collections for a living, let meknow if you wish to make a road trip to this Professor's location so he may settle up.
Posted by: Prickzilla at February 14, 2005 8:49 PM
"And when the sacred months have passed, slay the infidels eberywhere they are found, capture them, besiege them, set every strategem of war upon them."
There it is Dr. Badawi. I too want my US million dollars. NOW.
Islam is not only warlike, it exists SPECIFICALLY to slaughter, maim, and inflict extreme injury on non-'Muslims.' There can never be anything moderate about such a collection of beliefs. Believe us. And you know it.
p.s.- were you planning to pay us in Confederate dollars or wooden nickels? You can use your Visa or Mastercard
at February 14, 2005 9:22 PM
Heck! I was going to collect from Dr Badawi but guess that if anyone deserves a million dollars for his efforts, Mr Spencer does...No doubt Muslims are as HONEST as they are PEACEFUL and TOLERANT, eh Dr Badawi!!
Posted by: Morgane at February 14, 2005 10:04 PM
What do you mean -- "I'm rich"?
Sincerely yours,
Tonto
Posted by: Hugh at February 14, 2005 10:18 PM
Hugh (Tonto):
I know it's late and you've already put in a grueling 9-5 day here, but swing back by the Jihad Watch offices again: we're just about to break out the beluga caviar and Dom Perignon!
Yrs
Robert
at February 14, 2005 10:31 PM
I'll be right there.
Posted by: Hugh at February 14, 2005 10:42 PM
Comments in reference to the North Jersey newspaper article cited:
Moslem speakers "called for greater understanding and tolerance, saying Muslims face constant threats to the kind of everyday existence that other Americans take for granted."
If these Moslems are telling the truth (can never be sure) that they feel uneasy and persecuted here, then they are getting the message.
Moslems, however, have a predilection for playing the victim whatever the case. After they commit a particularly gruesome act, they will whine that if YOU weren't doing so-and-so (occupation, US foreign policy, etc.) we wouldn't have been FORCED BY YOU to do this.
Of course, they want to use the Constitution against us so that they can eventually discard it for shariah. Listen to them:
"Our government's actions following 9/11 have impacted and continue to impact tens of thousands of individuals in ways which seriously violate our Constitution. They include ethnically and religiously based interrogations, detentions, raids and closures of Muslim charities."
Boo-hoo; tears come to my eyes in sympathy (in a pig's eye). Of course, if we only let them have their way, we would all live in "Peace."
That is, those of us left alive who have converted or submitted.
"The event [a love feast between Moslems and American taqiyya eaters] aims to fight discrimination and misinformation about the Islamic faith by reaching out to, and creating links with, other communities."
Always "misinformation about the Islamic faith." We do not understand, take koran verses out of context, etc. Boring.
"Muslims are treated differently from other groups. . . . arrest and incarceration of Muslims after 9/11, the extra scrutiny given Muslims coming into the country . . . "
And well they should be. No other groups are determined to make us conform to them. Look at Europe for an example.
If the following is true, then there are ways to discourage demographic conquest by Moslems. Unfortunately we have to many "equal opportunity employer" and other anti-discrimination laws in place that Moslems can use against us. A Moslem is complaining about:
. . . termination or denial of employment because of religious appearance; the refusal to accommodate religious practices in the workplace, schools and prisons [and] singling out of individuals at airports or border crossings because of their distinct names, appearances and travel destinations . . ."
No other "group" whines about wanting to force their "religious" practices into our work places and schools. If in our schools anything Christian is as much as breathed, the ACLU threatens lawsuit. Our prisons are festering with Islamic recruiting. As to security at our ports of entry, There can never be too much of that.
Now we come to the million dollar reward offer:
"Jamal Badawi, an economics professor and Muslim scholar, said the community has suffered from the media's portrayal of the Muslim holy book, the Quran, and in particular the suggestion that it condones a religious war, or jihad. He dismissed the idea, and jokingly offered $1 million to anyone who could find it in the Quran."
The media's portrayal of Moslems is too favorable, if anything. We must go to the internet to find out the truth about them, on sites such as this one.
Now, would his making the offer of $1 million "jokingly" be a defense in the lawsuit that should be brought against this "Muslim scholar?"
Badawi goes on to complain: " . . . 40 percent of the American public is in favor of curtailing the civil rights of Muslims"
This percentage is far too low. With further education of the American public, it could be doubled, Another attack on our homeland would make even this latter % increase dramatically.
at February 15, 2005 12:45 AM
Wow, this geek must have a swimming pool of cash to spare.
What it all boils down to is one of those public speeches by a muslims to simmer down the public, and add a few layers of gravel to the sand the left has their head buried in.
Thankfully there's enough skeptisism amongst the public now to bankrupt this tosser.
Posted by: Rikki at February 15, 2005 5:54 AM
Sebastian,
I also think the french teachers description of Muhammed was a little off the mark.
A more accurate description would have been " theiving, murdering, child-molesting,brain-mashed rapist".
at February 15, 2005 5:58 AM
You whitewash Islam and you thought your jokes were funny.
But Robert is the one who gets the Lear Jet's and Ferrari's.
Bad-awi Bad-awi
Watcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do
when Robert Spencer comes to collect from you.
at February 15, 2005 6:56 AM
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