YOUR KIDDING RIGHT?

Add to today's agenda: Stop at first book store you see and purchase a copy of how to live sanely in a insane world.....read first chapter in parking lot....flip through second chapter at stop lights and signs....arrive at destination read more before entering and upon leaving.

And just who was it that wrote the initial report without finding what school it was he actually graduated from,what a blatent attempt to delude from reality.

Thank YKWH for JW and"Thanks to Jimmy the lgfer who first alerted me to this salient detail about the valedictorian accused of plotting to kill President Bush".

Glad he was'nt a major in airline school valedictorian .

Posted by: chuck at February 23, 2005 6:58 AM

Thank heavens Edie from Fox and Friends has read up a bit on this madrassa. Apparently this school has been tied to a couple more incidents of suspected terror related incidents.

One alumni was caught videotaping a bridge (Brooklyn?). Two more were caught with suicide messages as they tried to enter Israel.

Maryrose asked on an earlier thread . . .is this school associated with any of the Islamic centers or mosques listed in the Freedom House Report? Damn good question!

Here are the local centers listed in the Freedom House Report:

The Islamic Center of Washington, DC
2551 Massachusetts NW
Washington, DC 20008

Masjid Al-Islam
5021 A Street SE
Washington, DC 20019

Dar Al-Hijra Islamic Center
3159 Row Street
Falls Church, VA 22044

All Dulles Area Muslim Society,
Adams Center (Herndon Mosque)
500 Grove Street
P.O. Box 1085
Herndon, VA 22070

Contact your local government officials and demand these entities be fully examined. We cannot allow, excuse or ignore this anti-American and anti-semetic nonsense propagated here on American soil.

Link to locate your government officials:

http://www3.capwiz.com/y/dbq/officials/

Posted by: justamomof4 at February 23, 2005 7:37 AM

Yo, JUSTAMMO4U; could you help me with this conspiracy thing?.....do you have any ammo 4 this as to why they are not facing conspiracy/rico charges....any place to send a complaint as to same?

much appreciated

Posted by: chuck at February 23, 2005 8:20 AM

Today’s OT news and commentary, Always Jihad Related, Truth never to be silenced.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17086

This one insists it is strictly Wahhabi:
‘My Fellow Muslims: Wake Up”
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17102

Leftist Academic Treason:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/bs20050223.shtml

And also these, which will be posted on the Blog at Co-Jet:

Islam in public schools:

http://www.blessedcause.org/TOC/Comparative%20Religion%20Religious%20Freedom.htm

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=10613&catcode=11

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/shroder/040930

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/prophecy/teachingislam.html

Here is a muslim site about it, might be some interesting material:
http://www.islamicedfoundation.com/public.htm

Posted by: Gary at February 23, 2005 8:55 AM

So, he is valedictorian of islamic studies? That makes a big difference between a valedictorian of any other school and him, that just means he knows the koran backwards and forwards.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at February 23, 2005 11:11 AM

I need to correct at least part of my earlier post above . . .

the morning news story I was referring to was on Fox and Friends with E.D. Hill (not Edie).

The two incidents she mentioned aren't on the website - yet. I tried to look up specific links to reference but only came up with one - and I am posting it to clarify that Elbarasse was not an alumni, rather he was the comptroller of the school :

Ismael Selim Elbarasse of Annandale, Va., a “high-ranking” Hamas operative was arrested in Maryland after videotaping the Chesapeake Bay Bridge.

In the 1990s, Elbarasse was a comptroller at the Islamic Saudi Academy, a Saudi-financed school in Alexandria, Va. Tax records show that he is the former director of the Islamic Association for Palestine, a group formerly based in Richardson, Texas, which has been labeled as a Hamas front by Israel.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.hamas24aug24,1,476086.story

Also, I found an article at Al Jazeera that comments on the amount of Saudi funding this school received in 2004.

**This year, **2004**, ISA received almost $12 million from the Saudi government, school officials said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ADC84B59-13CB-4180-8D69-4659A080EB0D.htm

Posted by: justamomof4 at February 23, 2005 11:15 AM

Salient detail indeed. A sin of omission (kitman) by the main stream press. Done on purpose to go soft on the "Muslim community". Same as the New Jersey prosecutors are doing. The spineless, the liberal, are either in awe of Muhammadanism or in fear of it. Sometimes both.

Posted by: dennisw at February 23, 2005 11:28 AM

Those of us who frequently visit JW are dismayed, but not shocked, by the kind of education offered under Saudi auspices by madrassas on American soil. We are quite familiar with their role in the Fifth Column.

We are also dismayed, but no longer shocked, by the likes of Professor Churchill.

Unfortunately, far too many of us are not only dismayed, but also shocked that in our own tax-supported ELEMENTARY schools the curricula are compatible with both the madrassas and Churchill. Our jaws dropped at the content of the letters received PFC Jacobs in Iraq.

We have been unwitting victims of this kind of thinking since about 1810, during the lifetimes of our first three presidents. It began in ernest about 30 years later, when the son's of America's prominant families went to Germany in large numbers across many generations to complete their educations. While there, they swallowed, hook, line, and sinker, the thinking of Immanuel Kant, the father of postmodernism, which is in turn, the vehicle of the thinking of the Left in Europe and the United States today. When they returned, they entered all fields, including journalism (does that answer any of your questions?), politics (no surprise here), and education (please don't be too surprised by the sixth graders' letters, all you parents out there; this sort of thing is what our children have been being taught for 150+ years).

It is the Kantian Left that has burdened us with Political Correctness, Multiculturalism, and "Diversity," among many other destructive ideas. It has been offered as "being nice" when, in reality, it is a deliberate part of the Fifth Column's nihilist ambition to destroy our lives, our liberty, and our pursuit of happiness.

We can't turn the government school system around; remember, our politicians are stained by the same filth that we see in our media and in our educational system, K-12.

What we can do is see to it, at the very least, that our own children know the truth about Islam. For those of us who have an interest in philosophy, we can see to it that they know just what it is that makes it the evil, corrupt, anti-life monstrosity that it is. It's not too hard; most of us remember the interesting little stories told by Aesop. They were created as little philosophy lessons for children (and adults), and I think that most of us got the points very easily. And believe it or not, given just a bit of preparation, the green-haired, baggy-panted, nose-ringed adolescents that hang around our schools are prime candidates for formal (this is not a typo) philosophy. A lot of us are past that particular window of opportunity, but those kids are ready.

It wouldn't be difficult to set up your own small private school that teaches your children what YOU want them to learn and protects them against the crap they are being infested with in the government schools at tax-payers' expense. However, most of us don't have the kind of time to do that.

An alternative is to keep tabs on what they are learning in school, and use that as a "talking point" at home. You can take comments out of the Koran and the Ahadith, and word them in an age-appropriate way. You can tell them the story of the invention of Islam, and about the life of Muhammad.

We can't rely on our private school system for the answer to our educational problems, because most of their teachers come from the same government operated teachers' colleges as our public school teachers do, and are certified by the same authorities as they are.

One day, we will establish private schools that do an end run around the current system, and teach our kids well across the board in subjects that include math, science, history, geography, language, economics, and philosophy (BTW, we just had another set of the famed international tests of academic assessment, and in the fine old Fifth Column tradition, the U.S. is once again battling for last place).

Hang in there; becoming informed about what is going on is the first step.

We may have been kept in the dark about a lot of things, but we still have the advantage of the Great American Subconscious, a gift left to us by the Founders.

Posted by: cubed at February 23, 2005 11:50 AM

Chuck -

Yo?

Conspiracy info? No.

However, at LGF I did read a comment that discusses diplomatic immunity.

diplomatic immunity ruins everything

Here's a quote from that post:

"The director, Ibrahim Al-Gosair, and his Saudi staff are given diplomatic status. In fact, because of diplomatic immunity, the school lies only under the jurisdiction of the State Department.

That makes this school impossible to raid, or monitor.

Maybe that's why these savages are laughing in court. Diplomatic immunity screws everything. "

Posted by: justamomof4 at February 23, 2005 12:26 PM

And here are what some valedictorians in the US have done recently:
http://www.ufalocal94.org/news_stories/newyork1/ny1_08_10_04.html

Bit of a difference, eh?

Pleased to see the education links I posted are getting hits. I do liked Cubed's ideas here...

kj, if you stop by, I left you a question on the Co-Jeter Blog. Despite our disagreements/misperceptions of each other, I do think this is a good question.

Posted by: Gary at February 23, 2005 12:54 PM

Justamomo4u, Thanks for that link;...Had'nt thought of that angle at all,pretty hems us up then.

Must seek another avenue of pursuit.

Posted by: chuck at February 23, 2005 12:59 PM

"The spineless, the liberal, are either in awe of Muhammadanism or in fear of it. Sometimes both."

Don't kid yourself. It's pure unmitigated quaking FEAR. Sort of like the fear felt by the appeaser Brits in the 1930s. They do NOT know how else to deal with it.

Posted by: cassandra at February 23, 2005 1:30 PM

What's the surprise?
Their website states very clearly that:
"In general, the Arabic program follows the curriculum, syllabus, and materials established by the Saudi Ministry of Education" http://www.saudiacademy.net/html/Curriculum.html

If yopu wish to check this program, what do the Saudi's teach their youth??

Posted by: Dhimmi at February 23, 2005 1:32 PM

cassandra,

I don't think it is fear. I have an extreme leftest friend and I'm getting just left-wing hate talk about the right-wing and illogical comparative religion lectures. I also get condesending history lessons about the endemic guilt of the West.

He is as bad as the right-wing extremists who seem to live to sling mud at the left-wing and come up with fanciful names to discribe them somehow thinking it's somesort of valid political dialog.

I have no love for the extreme left or right. They both act and react so irrationally toward one another it is pointless to try to follow what they are saying. Mostly because it turns out to be bullshit anyway. Extremists and Militants on either side of the fence are dangerous to us all.

I think it's just bull-headedness combined with hatred for the opposing sides viewpoint no matter what it is. I think it applies to both left and right retoric without much difference.

Intelligence and education mean nothing if the mind is closed to viewpoints other than its own.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 23, 2005 1:44 PM

Cubed seems to have decided to turn this blog from a debating ground about Islam and its aggression to a recruiting ground for his (or Stephen Hicks') very peculiar views of the history of Western civilization. Even if there were any merit to his views, which I am convinced there is not, I would have to ask what the devil it has to do with anything. He always picks on some story of American educational fecklessness and forces it in a direction that has nothing to do with Islam or its dangers. Please, Catherine, come back - all is forgotten.

Posted by: Paolo at February 23, 2005 2:24 PM

Just immagine what would happen if a christian indoctrination school operated in Saudi Arabia...

Posted by: adela at February 23, 2005 4:34 PM

Paolo:

cubed is a longtime and much-valued contributor to JW/DW. Since you haven't been here that long, there are many ongoing relevant topics of discussion of which you are unaware.

Rather than just criticize, why don't you go to cubed's website, 6thcolumnagainstjihad.com, and read her articles to FIND OUT what she's actually talking about?

http://www.6thcolumnagainstjihad.com/

I've noticed that you are very quick to bash other posters on this forum - not exactly a team player, are you? We're supposed to be on the same side.

Posted by: CGW at February 23, 2005 5:41 PM

Unfortunately, far too many of us are not only dismayed, but also shocked that in our own tax-supported ELEMENTARY schools the curricula are compatible with both the madrassas and Churchill. Our jaws dropped at the content of the letters received PFC Jacobs in Iraq.

No offense to the poster... this is NOT going on in my school district, NOR WILL IT EVER.

Over my dead body. And I mean DEAD. They'll have to kill me first before I make my children swallow the bullshit of the 'fool-system'. I've plucked mine out of the 'fool system' and they are now being Home Schooled. And, the q'ran "ain't" in the curriculum.

Posted by: Just_Linda at February 23, 2005 6:15 PM

Dang... just when I thought the last poster BTLS out of paulo... it's back. Oh well, I have lots of iced tea so I guess I'll read.

Posted by: Just_Linda at February 23, 2005 6:20 PM

I have been away for a while, but I obviously missed something. Where is Catherine and what, if anything, was there to forgive?

Just curious.

Posted by: Moe's Foe at February 23, 2005 6:34 PM

Just_Linda states,

"And, the q'ran "ain't" in the curriculum."

As it shouldn't be. That would be like making our children study, "Mein Kampf", and demanding that teachers and students alike empathize with a madman's doctrine.

Good for you!

Posted by: Moe's Foe at February 23, 2005 6:38 PM

Inasmuch as Kant and his ilk are the fathers of postmodernism, and

Inasmuch as postmodernism is the source of modern nihilism, and

Inasmuch as nihilism is the battle cry of the Left, and

Inasmuch as the Left is the bedfellow of Islam, which is also profoundly nihilistic, and

Inasmuch as Islam and the Left are united through their nihilism in their shared goal of destroying the United States, the last remaining oasis of reason left in the world, I will debate the issue here, and wherever else I have a forum.

I will not sign over my country or the futures of my children and grandchildren to the likes of Islam and their fellow-travellers of the Left.

Not only does Kant have "something" to do with the problems we face with Islam today, he and his postmodern children are the very reason we are so confused, polarized, and thus severely weakened in this fight for our very existence. You may thank Kant and the postmodernists for PC, "diversity," multiculturalism, and the fact that we are once again nearly in last place in the industrialized world in academic performance.

These are among the many weapons the postmodern Left uses against us.

Just for fun, here is a statement made in a letter to his parents by a 19-year old German volunteer named Otto Braun, who died in WWI. He was a product of Kant and his contemporary, Hegel:

"My inmost yearning, my purest, though most secret flame, my deepest faith and my highest hope--they are the same as ever, and they all bear one name: the State. One day to build the state like a temple, rising up pure and strong, resting in its own weight, severe and sublime, but also serene like the gods and with bright halls glistening in the dancing brilliance of the sun--this, at bottom, is the end and goal of my aspirations."

Now substitute "Islam" for "the State," and you have a jihadist. The similarities are inescapable, and it is these similarities that unite Islam and the postmodernists in their war against us.

Just_Linda, congratulations on your resolve ("over my dead body") and your solution (home schooling). Well done. Very well done.

BTW, the tea sounds like a great idea. I have some next to me right now, only it's hot; a bag of Celestial Seasoning's mix of white tea with peach, and a bag of Irish breakfast tea in a 16-oz mug. They're absolutely luscious together, with the heartiness of the black tea and the peach underneath.

CGW, thank you. We will definitely succeed.

Posted by: cubed at February 23, 2005 7:42 PM

Cubed says,

"Inasmuch as Kant and his ilk are the fathers of postmodernism..."

I believe the Pope said something along these lines in his recent book or speech. I caught the tail-end of an NPR report while driving to work.

Will you expound on this if you have heard of it? Did he say something to that affect?

Thanks in advance and I agree, "We will definitely succeed."

Posted by: Moe's Foe at February 23, 2005 7:53 PM

Hi, Moe's Foe,

I only wish I HAD heard or read that comment by the Pope! I was devastated when he kissed the Koran. Then I heard later that he has begun to recognize the true nature of Islam. If he said anything like that about Kant, we can be confident that he has.

I will definitely try to find out what it was he said; it's so important to have an ally of such stature. If I find out, I will post it, and would like to ask you to do the same.

In fact, if anybody else knows of such a quote, would you mind posting it? Maybe post it as an "OT" in the first thread of the day to make it easier to find.

Thanks.

Posted by: cubed at February 23, 2005 8:24 PM

Are we really surprised, given the recent report from Freedom House? (Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques)

The only question I have is when will Bush wise-up and realize this isn't a "religion of peace" he's dealing with.

Posted by: Ropma.Net Webmaster at February 23, 2005 8:38 PM

cubed,

By the way, I read your article a while ago at

http://www.6thcolumnagainstjihad.com/CUBED_P1.htm

and passed it on to many friends.

I thought it was brilliant.

Keep up the cogent articles. I look forward to reading them all.

Posted by: Moe's Foe at February 23, 2005 8:41 PM

Sorry cubed,

I meant to write essay instead of article.

Posted by: Moe's Foe at February 23, 2005 8:42 PM

I'm not the least bit shocked at this revelation
since it was in 9/12/01 when Muslims labelled me a bigot and racists for pointing out all the hijackers were self-professed "Good" Muslims obeying the teachings of Muhammed,my ignorance
only lasted a few weeks because the internet allowed me to educate myself on Islam and the Quran.
The information was very succinct and Muslims
are Muslims first and are ordered to protect Islam from the infidels through Jihad and Kaliphats,the Quran itself was my source and
Muslims either accept the Quran as the true
definition of Islam or it's all a big lie,they can't have it both ways.

The 2nd World war started in 1931 when the Japanese weren't stood up to when they pulled a scam against China to claim Manchuria with a ugly slaughter of unsuspecting Chinese soldiers that believed there was a peace-treaty agreement
for the 1920's within the League Of Nations.
Hitler saw this agression and so did Musolini
and the lack of response seemed to be a form of consent from the silence,Hitler changed his strategy from the micro loyalty to the macro domination for cheap labour. Musolini made the same promise and invaded Ethopia to stem the revolt in Italy from hollow promises,Japan had the Emperor promising the same thing and the "Three Amigo's" did the bunny-hop while screwing each other on the Tripartite-axis.

It was 70 years after that invasion that Islam
launched an attack on non-Muslims in September
of that anniversary year 2001,CAIR and their ilk can scream all they want because the reality is
the West isn't going to roll over a die to appease the Islamists.
Middle East threats will be neutralized and the U.N. can continue to sit on their hands and decide
to not make a decission on genocide or nuclear threats,and American Muslims can continue to
treat non-Muslims as "Guilty before proven innocent" to fuel the hate and promote Jihad.

Posted by: ala-sux at February 23, 2005 10:08 PM

Ummagumma:

My husband had that printed on a tee shirt....I cant tell you how many people asked where he got it because they wanted one....that has always been one of my fav pics

Posted by: USAgirl at February 23, 2005 10:22 PM

He already has the tee shirt....a friend of his owns a copy shop and did it for him....most people loved it...a few caused him a racist...to which he replied " idiots that set them selves on fire are now a race??"

Posted by: USAgirl at February 24, 2005 12:43 AM

Daniel Pipes, in his weblog, makes some good comments on the way the MSM reports this story. Headlines keep mentioning "American" or "US citizen" plots to kill Bush. As if his citizenship is the motivating factor in his quest. This creep "valedictorian" is about as American as I am. Actually, I'd say I'm more American than that putz is. At least I appreciate what America stands for and has given to the world. This Muslim scum just wants to destroy all that. For what? Some fantasy world him and his ilk have dreamed up in their brainwashed heads. Some sick, twisted nightmare they want to inflict on humanity.

The MSM is aiding and abetting these Islamic freaks. Thank God for blogs. No wonder the MSM are starting to get nasty towards blogs, complaining about what blogs do. They're feeling a bit threatened. Their power to deceive is being diminished. Good! About bloody time.

Posted by: feralee at February 24, 2005 5:58 AM

Posted by: Moe's Foe at February 23, 2005 06:34 PM

March is a work month for me have to pay Uncle Sam only a few more days of hard labor and then back to fun!!

Heard this guy was part of a wantabe in Saudi and they were very nice to him after all he still has his head what a shame??

Seams he went to a funded by mulsum school so not to sure who he was compeating against to get the highest grades??

Remember when I pay Uncle Sam he uses my Money to buy Bigger Guns OH! WHAT FUN!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage to stay the course to Victory[FREEDOM] to Destroy ALL Islamic Terrorist and ALL who Support them Amen

PS
I noticed that Iran said death to America and just a few weeks later more mud huts flattened[YES AS NASSEEM WOULD SAY ALL THAT LOVLEY STRUCKERS THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN LEARN FROM YEA LEARN NOT TO LIVE IN MUD HUTS!!] and more Iranians dead boy the people over there need to do some thing about them mullas??

Posted by: Catherine at February 24, 2005 10:48 AM

The rest of you: beware of people who make things "crystal clear". As a rule, they aren't.

Posted by: Paolo at February 22, 2005 04:36 PM

I rest my case.

Posted by: cubed at February 24, 2005 2:48 PM

CGW -
I have been very ill for the last few days, or else I would have responded to your extraordinary post sooner. Because Cubed has been in the club for longer than I have is no reason to criticize him/her? And what is all this nonsense about being a team player? That is the sort of shit that corporate interviewers ask of prospective greasy-pole-climbers, not a virtue required of "reasonable and free men in search of the truth". I thoroughly disagree with Cubed's views, and I think their application would do no good at all, if indeed it did not do damage, to what may be taken to be our cause. I do not like the way his friends defend them, not as if they were matter of fact to be discussed by reasonable and free men, but as if they were a sacred cause - or at least a party manifesto. I also find them shallow and poorly grounded. Nor was I impressed by his/her method of defending them by quoting one letter from some goddamn German soldier a million miles removed from them, instead of quoting actual passages (from which you would find that Kant, in fact, was NO state-worshipper, that Hegel DID NOT follow on Kant, and that Schopenhauer HATED Hegel - some sequence!). Sorry, but history is to be treated with a bit more seriousness than that. On a site, especially, dedicated to the truth about Muslim history, we should not open with accounts of Western history that are at the very least questionable.

Posted by: Paolo at February 26, 2005 6:00 PM

Paolo:

You must have paid scant attention to my post (except for the parts that irritated you) or you would have noticed my repeated references to cubed's gender. It's also obvious that you ignored my recommendation to follow the link and read more of what she's written before drawing conclusions based on a few select posts.

Re-read the sentence I posted about your tenure at JW versus cubed's. I stated merely that there are ongoing issues and longterm discussions of which basics/history you are unaware. I did not state that "longevity" was the basis for not criticizing a fellow poster.

The reference to being a "team player" was in regard to your repeated attacks on fellow JWers. While I don't expect you to agree with ANYONE, those attacks have come across as pompous and arrogantly hostile, not an attitude the "regulars" tend to appreciate. I am objecting to the tone of your disagreement, not to the fact of the disagreement itself. There are more respectful ways to disagree, and with a few notable exceptions (kj, for example) most of us try to follow those basic rules of respect when calling out those on our "side". That's all. I also felt that you rushed to a judgement that could have used a little further research, research which I again recommend.

In general I appreciate your insight, your intelligence and your articulate contributions to the forum. I personally hold no animosity toward you. Select your opponents carefully, and be respectful and not superiorily dismissive when you do so - a good basic rule to follow in any area of life; that's my advice if you want to be taken seriously and be welcomed at JW/DW, anyway. You're free to take it or leave it as you will, of course. I myself hope that you will take it, since I consider you to be an asset to the forum.

CGW

Posted by: CGW at February 27, 2005 11:55 AM