Here's the CAIR alert, it has e-mail contacts for Boeing and TNR at the bottom. Don't let CAIR get away with blackmail.

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=224&theType=AA

Posted by: kelley at March 29, 2005 2:32 PM

how can we support Boeing and NAtional Review?

and...anyone interested in Christian 'anti' Zionism?

http://www.christianzionism.org/forum/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=3

take a look

Posted by: ploome at March 29, 2005 2:32 PM

These guys just don't understand free speech and Democracy. It truly is orthogonal to their religion. I understand that on behalf of their Jewish friends, they were also upset with all of the networks for promotion Mel Gibson's "Passion". FATWA FATWA FATWA! No such thing as a healthy dialogue about their religion/prophet. All they do is threaten and scream if you differ from their belief system. They need to come into the 8th century. Babies!

Posted by: Uncle Sticky at March 29, 2005 2:35 PM

All we can do is make the book a best seller

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at March 29, 2005 2:43 PM

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Posted by: KAOSKTRL at March 29, 2005 2:53 PM

These guys just don't understand free speech and Democracy.

Sure they do.

They just think it's a bad idea.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at March 29, 2005 2:56 PM

I just emailed a note to the CEO of Boeing. Do not use the links at the CAIR site, copy them down then send it with your own email.

James.A.Bell@boeing.com

I just suggested that they not give in to blackmail. And to research CAIR themselves.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at March 29, 2005 2:58 PM

Boeing’s Board of Directors will do what is in the best interest of their shareholders (approx $58.00 per share currently). Unless Muslims buy a lot of Boeing products or hold a substantial amount of stock, they will be rebuffed. Word will spread among major corporations of this latest attempt to disrupt the flow of commerce. Cair will soon bite off more than they can chew.

Posted by: cross at March 29, 2005 3:07 PM

And why Boeing? Commercial jets are not exactly cheap. Aerospace-defense contracts to oil rich Muslims states? Does this have anything to do with billions in petrodollars and contracts for planes and other equipment? Boeing may be vulnerable to Islamic blackmail. This may seem like a small incident, a test to see what CAIR can get away with? And as the price of oil continues to go up, will the blackmail escalate?

There is surely much more to this than meets the eye; an attempt to influence freedom of speech in this country from an ideology that is shared with some very, very powerful powerful economic players. And where will it end?

Where is the Homeland Security we pay billions for? Shut CAIR down now!

Posted by: JTF at March 29, 2005 3:14 PM

This is simply a small indication of what will happen if Muslim economic and political power is allowed to grow, and why that must be opposed, at every level and in every way, no matter how seemingly plausible, no matter what Bright Young Muslim Things preaching reform and "working for the betterment of America" (which can only mean, for a Believer in Islam, working for the spread of Islam until it takes over America, though George Melloan appears not to understand this).

That is why, if you have educated yourself sufficiently in the theory and practice of Islam, you must do the following:

1) continue to spread the word, among your family, friends, colleagues, about what Islam teaches. Have ready, pre-printed, a list of 5-10 books, and of 4-5 relevant websites, that you can simply give out to people. The cost, and time, of preparing such cards is small compared to the good they will do. If you manage to bring only 1 new regular a month to this website, or to that of Ali Sina, or Ibn Warraq, you will have multiplied by more than ten the number of people who will, gradually, by degrees, begin to learn that the Qur'an is not the only relevant text, that the Qur'an itself does not consist only of those passages that the apologists keep repeating, or that Michael Sells includes in his meretricious "Approaching the Qur'an" that is used in equally meretricious courses.

2) make sure that your local library, by dint of your incessant requests, carries the books it should be carrying, and that Islamic propaganda is not accepted or if accepted, once the antisemitic and anti-Christian passages are pointed out, the books are removed. You have this power; use it.

3) do not let up on local newspapers. Write articles or letters about the nature of Jihad. If there are particular topics that would be suitable -- the Jihad in the southern Sudan against black Africans (Ebony, Amsterdam News, and so on), or the Jihad against Armenians (in Watertown, Massachusetts, and Sausalito, California these might be welcome in local papers), or a little article in a Chicago paper on Poland's greatest leader, King Sobieski, who turned back the Turks at Vienna in 1683 -- everyone can produce something, and do it with the relentless that is required. When you get tired, just think of what Holland is like today, or France. How do you think Geert Wildrs or Ayaan Hirsi Ali feel, having to move around from place to place? What will happen to art and science if these people can continue to make inroads? Look at the black propaganda, the taqiyya, the way so the fear of offending Muslims has led so many not to state the obvious or to help others to see what should be obvious, so that everyone becomes confused, and depressed, look at the sheer cheek of organizations some of whose officials have been charged with support of terrorism that nonetheless act as if nothing is the matter, come se niente fosse.

Do nothing to make the practice of Islam easier in this country. Fight every proposed mosque. Insist that every case of the preaching of hatred in mosques and madrasas be given wide publicity. Do not make things economically easier for Muslims either: there is no more need to do that, then there was to provide Western valyuta (hard currency) to the Soviet Union, or to buy Voigtlander cameras in 1938.

A la guerre comme a la guerre. And informing yourself, and then helping inform others, is the most important task.

Posted by: Hugh at March 29, 2005 3:25 PM

In a letter sent today to Boeing CEO James A. Bell, CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad wrote: "I would therefore respectfully request that Boeing address the concerns of Muslims worldwide by withdrawing its advertising support from a magazine that actively promotes anti-Muslim hate."

Why would Boeing CEO James A. Bell be concerned with the concerns of Muslims worldwide? And why is CAIR worried about Boeing finding out the truth out about Islam?

Why did CAIR initiate "sensitivity" training on the folks at Lockheed Martin and Livermore Labs? Why? Because CAIR is hoping, counting on the normal PC reaction of good indoctrinated employees going out of their way, bending over backwards for Muslims to feel welcome if not invisible, one of the gang and above suspicion ...(That would be racist.)

Maybe someone should email Mr. Bell a link to Jihad Watch so he can see for himself, if he doesn't already know, what threat these holy people are to civilization? Better yet, why not send him a copy of "The Sword of the Prophet" and "The Life and Religion of Mohammed" so he can come to a determinination with all the facts in hand?

CAIR, CAIR, Thou dost protest too much ...

Posted by: Kemaste at March 29, 2005 3:36 PM

Preventing a publication from selling ad space to whomever they want runs contrary to the entire Western free enterprise system. Cair needs to grasp the concept of competition. If they have a better mouse trap, go ahead and advertise it, see who buys it. Instead of crying about some book someone advertises in the back of a magazine perhaps they should place an ad of their own. But, apparently they don't have a product that can compete. This constant victimhood from minority groups is playing awfully thin, is anyone even listening to these people anymore?

Posted by: cross at March 29, 2005 3:38 PM

If Boing caves in like Dell then I guess I wont be buying myself a 747

Posted by: shiva at March 29, 2005 3:45 PM

Have NR already taken the book off their website? The link above doesn't work for me and a search for either "Mohammed" or the author "Menezes" doesn't produce any results... weird

Posted by: disillusionised_german at March 29, 2005 3:46 PM

Mr. Bell.
Sir,

With rergard to the Council of Islamic Relations (CAIR) calling for withdrawal of Boeing advertising from the National Review magzine, I sincerely urge that you not take the seemingly easy way out of submitting to CAIR's blackmail.

Please hold firm and you'll have won over many times more legions of fans amongst conservatives from the anglophonic world than you would lose people from CAIR's claims.

Also, CAIR is known for its past attempts at using western freedoms to promote its own less-than-free and fair agenda. A propaganda victory for them in a high profile case like this will set an unhealthy precedent.

Regards,

Voletti

Posted by: voletti at March 29, 2005 3:54 PM

why do I have to log in, every time I want to leave a comment?

Posted by: ploome at March 29, 2005 3:59 PM

Ploome:

Lots of bugs in TypeKey. Sorry about that.

Voletti and all others:

National Review has already capitulated and withdrawn the book. Please note the update I added to the post a few minutes ago.

I have calls and emails in to Rich Lowry at NR asking him about this. I got a message machine, a secretary telling me he would call back, and the same secretary telling me he had "stepped away from his desk." Mmm-hmm. No answers yet.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at March 29, 2005 4:01 PM

Google says: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=The+life+and+religion+of+mohammed

Posted by: disillusionised_german at March 29, 2005 4:13 PM

Only the deranged would ascribe holiness to the self-serving and self-indulgent Muhammad. Only the deluded and brain-washed would justify his psychotic behavior.

And then there is Dell and Boeing... What kind of minds to they have? Capitalistic to be sure.

OT -

My brother related a story to me concering a business related dinner he had a few weeks ago. Next to him sat a Bangladeshi muslim who refused a plate of BBQ pork ribs when offered.

My brother is not concerned about the dietary restrictions of muslims or any others and asked the Bangladeshi to give the ribs a try because they were really tasty.

The Bangladeshi replied as any devout muslim would about the uncleanliness of the animal.

I have observed many animals on my father's farm when I was a child and I noticed that pigs love to wallow in their own fecal matter, but it was the chickens who loved to ingest it.

There are two things that muslims contemplate - the Koran and swine.

Interesting combination to say the least.

Posted by: Degenerated Matter at March 29, 2005 4:18 PM

I've just written to John Kasich:

Dear John,

here's more shocking news about an organisation of radical muslims trying to subdue free speech:

"In their ongoing efforts to obscure uncomfortable facts about the career of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, CAIR is trying to intimidate Boeing into dropping ads from National Review as long as NR continues to advertise The Life and Religion of Mohammed by Fr. J. L. Menezes..."

For more read this piece from jihadwatch.org: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005537.php

Kind regards

Posted by: disillusionised_german at March 29, 2005 4:18 PM

Disillusioned_german:

You may want to revise that to "CAIR has succeeded in intimidating National Review..."

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at March 29, 2005 4:19 PM

I've just done that, Robert... I know John Kasich is very much on our side and he also lives in the same state as my girlfriend. Maybe that's a sign.

Posted by: disillusionised_german at March 29, 2005 4:23 PM

Disillusioned_german:
It is still there the prior post proves it is still there & I put my money whewre my mouth is and just got back from B&N where I bought Spencers MYth book last copy 27.something

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at March 29, 2005 4:26 PM

NR is CAIR's brand-new dhimmi bitch.

Posted by: Cato the Elder at March 29, 2005 4:31 PM

thanks, RObert

Posted by: ploome at March 29, 2005 4:31 PM

I believe in reincarnation, and I sometimes wonder whether Hitler was a reincarnation of Mohammad. It wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: Voltaire at March 29, 2005 4:51 PM

So, now we all know what National Review is; the only question left is "How much?" Hillary, Jesse, Alger-Hiss-lovers and so on: you might want to pressure National Review, too. A few choice words and all those nasty books will disappear. Whittaker Who???
I was tickled by NR's new ad they mailed, "Hell yes! I'm judgemental!" and I almost re-subscribed.
After this, nothing doing. No way they get one red cent out of me.

Posted by: Miss Moneypenney at March 29, 2005 5:04 PM

I ordered this book from NR a few days ago. I just checked my order status, and I see that it's now on "back order." In light of this update, I'm not real hopeful that it will come in.

Posted by: Homer at March 29, 2005 5:28 PM

In the past, NR has featured hardhitting articles on Islamic movements and negative aspects of Islam that are happening in the US and worldwide. It will be interesting to watch if this CAIR campaign influences the selection of articles by the editorial board of NR. Will we see more pieces critical of Islam or will those pieces be culled from their publication? Perhaps someone like Mr. Spencer should explain the concept of blasphemy laws to Mr. Lowry and how he is a party to the enforcement of that Islamic concept as he continues down the road of dhimmitude.

Posted by: maryrose at March 29, 2005 5:31 PM

Homer!
Get the book from Front Page:

http://frontpagemagonline.com/onlinestore/conservativebooks.shtml

Even Homer sometimes nods....

Posted by: Miss Moneypenney at March 29, 2005 5:40 PM

It must be a full time job for someone at CAIR to do all of this complaining. Nice work if you can get it.

Posted by: ReligionOfPeaceMyArse at March 29, 2005 6:06 PM

I'm bummed that TNR dropped the books. But maybe - JUST MAYBE - we could tone down the rhetoric, so that it won't appear to be so offensive. Language and words are incredibly important. The Menezes book could have been described in a different tone and using other words.

It sounds like a fascinating book, one that provides insight into a part of India of 80 years ago, and from a distinct viewpoint (missionary priest). If the book's description had been been toned down, it might still be for sale at TNR. (Then again, maybe not...)

There are new rules at play in our PC world, whether we like it or not. If we want these books to continue to be sold, maybe we need to get better at diplomacy and be more careful with the words we use.

TNR presents anti-jihad essays on a pretty regular basis. They're not the dhimmi enemy.

Posted by: kelley at March 29, 2005 6:24 PM

OT- Major al-Qaeda bombing foiled in the UK

http://rantburg.com/poparticle.asp?HC=Main&D=3/30/2004&ID=29385

Posted by: Carolyn2 at March 29, 2005 6:34 PM

kelley says,

"...we could tone down the rhetoric, so that it won't appear to be so offensive."

No Kelley. That is not the solution. Just as Martin Luther railed against the abuses of the Catholic Church, it is our cause to revolt against the insanity of Islam.

Islam is a bogus religion created by an interloper of mankind's mind.

Muhammad was and still is a criminal who needs perpetual critique against his most offensive doctrine.

He was neither a prophet nor an enlightenment to mankind.

His idea of God was based on an examination of his own worthless self.

His interpretation is flawed because it negates the natural inclination of mankind's desire to everlasting life.

There is no unconditional love from Muhammad's Allah.

There is nothing but retribution which condemns the follower to a pre-ordained existence of Hell on this planet and the ridiculous reward of a possible "fleshly" existence in his view of everlasting life.

Muhammad was and still is false. Islam is bogus, but a threat to the world.

This "peaceful religion" is exposed by its deeds not its statements.

Posted by: Degenerated Matter at March 29, 2005 7:07 PM

They yanked it .Its not even for sale anymore

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at March 29, 2005 7:09 PM

Boeing’s Board of Directors will do what is in the best interest of their shareholders (approx $58.00 per share currently). Unless Muslims buy a lot of Boeing products or hold a substantial amount of stock, they will be rebuffed. Word will spread among major corporations of this latest attempt to disrupt the flow of commerce. Cair will soon bite off more than they can chew. Posted by: cross

Also for JTF, Boeing makes a lot more than passenger aircraft, and Saudi contracts have kept Boeing alive over the years.

Boeing also owns McDonnell Douglas and Rockwell International making them the world's largest arms exporters, and the Saudis (and other Arab countries) keep Boeing and our own arms industries doors open.

Anyone want to place a bet that CAIR will prevail against Boeing?

What clout does a bunch of Jihad Watchers and middle class conservatives have as compared to the Muslims.

None: In fact the American Muslim Committee and Islamic Institute (Grover Norquists outfit) has top level access to the White House (Norquist is Roves' best friend) and in fact thanks to Grover a number of Arabs with terrorist Wahhabi connections hold high level and sensitive positions in Homeland Security, Department of Transportation and the FBI.

For degenerated matter in case you check back on the thread.

The prohibition against swine is not because it is unclean, in fact nothing in the Qur'an mentions it as being unclean to my knowledge.

The Muslims got the prohibition from the Jews who in turn got it from the Ugaritic peoples that were living in UruSalem, before the Jews came to live there.

Jerusalem gets its name from Uru was a disease demon and god of the pestilence before he became a god of war, and Salem or Shalem, has been identified with Set, Israel, Saturn, Adar, Dionysos, etc.

Abdul Shipa, who was Governor of Jerusalem about 1430 BC states in a letter to his overlord Amenhophis IV of Egypt, that Jerusalem or Urusalem is the city of Beth Ninip, and of Uras, whose name there was Salem.

Ninip was the Babylonian creating God who let loose the flood of Noah (Ziusudra/Utnapishtim)to Ninip the swine was sacred and therefore taboo to his worshippers.

Pigs entered into the rites of Adonis, Attis, Tammuz, Set, Semele, Demeter, Rimmon, Dionysos, etc, as well as Ninip, and were often cast into caverns as sacrifice. In the cavern at Gezer (which is not far from Jerusalem, many pig bones have been found.

As you can see the prohibition against pork, has nothing to do with unclean or tapeworm (the linkage wasn't even known then), the swine was sacred to Ninip (Salem), and thus taboo to his worshippers, evidently the Hebrew adopted the taboo and the muslims adopted it from the Hebrew.

Posted by: Giaour at March 29, 2005 7:43 PM

Ask me if I am embarrassed, that link is a year old. My face is red!

Posted by: Carolyn2 at March 29, 2005 7:57 PM

ATTENTION CAIR TERRORISTS (YES, THAT'S RIGHT, I SAID 'TERRORISTS'!!!):

America is and will long continue to be a free country. Which means that each and every person living here is FREE to reject, despise, and even openly condemn Islam. GASP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact, no one living in the United States is required to accept any religion. And they are free to say so. Even in public. Or in a magazine article in a publication like the National Review. And they aren't even required to apologize. Not to you. Not to anyone.
Freedom of speech implies the probability that there are people who are going to express views that will prove unpopular or even false. But it is also their right to exercise this right and exercise it without the threat of physical violence or injury or even harassment--which is what your group is doing to National Review currently and you know it.

Freedom of religion also implies freedom FROM religion too. The United States was founded upon the principle of freedom and its citizens are acutely aware that the Islamic institutions of the world are out to destroy America's freedoms by whatever means necessary.

CAIR's antagonism towards the National Review exposes Islam's totalitarian leanings. You claim statements such as the one I have just made here constitute 'hate crimes.' But statements that reflect truth cannot be suppressed. The truth will get out, especially when it is self-evident. Unless there is something that was intentionally and factually misrepresented about Islam in the National Review (and we think there was not) our suggestion is that you drop the matter pronto and avoid raising it again.

Too bad, the veracity of statements made in the Qur'an cannot be authenticated similarly. The Quranic passage 'slay the infidels' is to Americans the ultimate hate crime and is NOT based on factual evidence and is therefore worse than anything the National Review would be capable of printing. We suggest that you keep that in mind.

Islam cannot verify or authenticate its sources since there is no physical proof outside the Qur'an or hadiths to verify its teachings. All it has ever done to defend itself is target persons who point out its failings for execution.

We the American people are not going to change to make you happy. If you're not happy here, our suggestion is that you find another country more to your liking. Maybe France or Russia, perhaps? How about Turkey?

Remember, the American people WILL defend their freedoms and their country.

Posted by: pythagoras at March 29, 2005 8:07 PM

Giaour says,

"The prohibition against swine is not because it is unclean, in fact nothing in the Qur'an mentions it as being unclean to my knowledge."

You seem to think that I give a goddamn about it.

Let me state that I don't care one iota of what any freak of any religion believes to be clean or unclean.

My agenda is to expose this Muhammad character for what he is - a total charlatan with no merit other than a criminal intent.

The fact remains that muslims will NOT eat pigs because Muhammad had a problem with these animals.

BTW - He also borrowed this "issue" against swine because he himself exacted the same traits.

Muhammad was a PIG.

Posted by: Degenerated Matter at March 29, 2005 8:16 PM

Giaour:

Not that it matters that much, but Lockheed Martin is by far the largest defence contractor in the world.

Unfortunatley money still dictates what attitudes these contractors will take when it comes to NR. All CAIR has to do is complain and suggest the loss of business in the middle East and with very little explanation as to their position; whether right or wrong, these companies will more than likely rollover.

Posted by: Mackie at March 29, 2005 8:26 PM

Well as I see this we have a real failure to communicate.

why we don't want to be killed by the muslim world, if i may also state about jews,christian's have been killing a lot of poor jews for over 1000 years its about time to say sorry guys!
and we in this nation did that, between 1941 to 1945. It was a lot of Real American, whites and black and guy we use to call Mexican-American who died to save you. and if you muslim check your own history you will see 40,000 muslims/islamic guys raping children in the S.S. And in the nazi armies, remember we don't like Nazi here.(sadly we have a-lot in our government)

and as far as that non prophet called muhammad goes anyone following that nut case needs help with 20 years in some chinese prison and if that nut case follow of that evil little nut lives he can come back here and live in freedom as long as he does not cut off the head of any little kid.

I need a really big dosage of my V.A., Drug now!

hey, people of islam, stop the hate of all non muslims, the jews are your best friends, and will love you like brothers if you stop killing the kids...so be good little people of islam and start to think about the real gods of our world.

and to the prophet of islam, stop it and i will help you out of hell, my boy.

religion a lifestyle for most but a deathstyle for islam. last thing don't call yourselves American you do not have the right.

Posted by: Fred Dawes at March 29, 2005 9:12 PM

I don't see any mention of the book at the NRO Bookservice.

http://www.nrbookservice.com/SearchResults.asp

Search "J. L. Menezes", Author,(GO)
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Hmmm, now maybe CAIR can pressure NRO into getting rid of those pesky Ann Coulter books.

Posted by: JohnathanRGalt at March 29, 2005 9:14 PM

I guess I have to start a weblog called:

"C.A.I.R. is a Terrorist Front Group trying to Destroy the West using its own Freedoms".

Boycott threats such as C.A.I.R.'s only work against purely-mercenary ball-less chickensh*ts who hate their own country and know nothing about the facts of the historical-theological-philosophical debate.

Or are such globalist economonic pragmatists that the quaint idea of 'the nation' is meaningless to them.

And the only state they care about is the state of their wallet.

The National Review can change their name to Internationally Screwed.

And, if Boeing follows their trail of lickspittle, they came turn their corporate title to "Bow-ing" (toward Mecca).

The Nazis got a lot of the same effect on businesses in the U.S. during the 1930's -by throwing their economic weight around (the movie industry was eerily silent, onscreen, about the rise of the Hitlerian madness because the German moviegoing audience was important for the European bottom line)- so C.A.I.R. has a perfect precedent to follow.

If a slimeball like Larry Flynnt (of softporn mag Penthouse notoriety) can fight -like a junkyard dog- to defend his First Amendment rights to publish T & A, slogging through the courts for years- and getting shot in the spine for his trouble- can't NR do half as much for something a thousand times more serious?

And...

If Boeing airliners get a sudden 'design make-over' for their fleet- with a big yellow streak painted down the back of the jets- we'll know what's coming....

Posted by: BigSleep at March 29, 2005 9:53 PM

Who, pray tell, is next? Someone is going to have to stand up. I for one will donate money to help in the defense of 1st amendment rights.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at March 29, 2005 10:00 PM

National Review has not published any articles by Bat Ye'or in the past year, nor has it given any sign of reviewing "Eurabia." One hopes it will do so, if only to make clear that CAIR, via a pliant Boeing, and a pliant advertising office at National Review, is not calling all the shots.

More intense coverage of the theory and practice of Islam at NR would be welcome. Perhaps Victor Davis Hanson can oblige.

Posted by: Hugh at March 29, 2005 10:23 PM

BigSleep:

Check this out
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

Posted by: hutchrun at March 29, 2005 10:37 PM

The head of CAIR, one Omar Ahmed, is a self-described "Palestinian." Last year CAIR sued a Canadian paper, The National Post, and David Frum, for publishing an article about the ties of some at CAIR to terrorism, or examples of their statements that belie their outward tone of reasonableness. Here is an excerpt from an article Frum wrote about the matter (it appeared at www.frontpagemag.com):

"CAIR's founding chairman, Omar Ahmed, also an IAP alumnus, is said to have declared at a public event in California in July, 1998: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." Ahmed has since disputed the accuracy of the quote--five years after it was reported by a California newspaper."

Make of it what you will. Perhaps someone knows whether that lawsuit has been settled.

One wishes to add that Omar Ahmed, in addition to his tireless work on behalf of Islam and its promotion until it assumes what he regards as its rightful place in America and the World, meanwhile makes his living as CEO of a company called Silicon Expert Technologies.

That company can be searched for on-line; among the companies that have a "partnership" with "Silicon Expert Technologies" is Azerity. One would like to think that computer engineers, and computer executives at other companies, in choosing whether or not to "partner" or have other dealings with Omar Ahmed, would first fully inform themselves of what CAIR does, and what Omar Ahmed does and says and thinks, and perhaps factor that into their mental equation, and even, one would like to think, in their business decisions. One would hope, as well, that those alive in 1938 would not have bought Voigtlander cameras, or in 1953 bought Baltic amber from official Soviet outlets, such as Vneshtorg, which would use that valyuta or hard currency for purposes inimicable to the health of liberal democracies.

Everyone is free to consider the wellbeing and safety of our own, Infidel ways and institutions, and their continued existence, in making decisions as to what partners it wishes to have, and what companies it wishes to hire to provide goods and services. And others, in turn, can make their commercial decisions as to whether or not to have dealings with that second company as well.

Or not, as the case may be.

CAIR seems to have had an effect on Boeing. Perhaps others, in their own small way, can have an effect on the businesses which those who run CAIR, or contribute to CAIR, or support CAIR in any way, may rely on for their livelihood.

Sauce for the goose, sauce for that famous gander.

Posted by: Hugh at March 29, 2005 11:15 PM

hutchrun-

Thanks.

I haven't checked out the link you provided, yet, but did just set up a little blog of my own moments ago, to give the freedom-loving, read-between-the-lines Western World major middle finger to C.A.I.R. and its attempts at Mafia-like influence peddling:

http://cairforterrorists.blogspot.com/

Let them choke on a sheep's eyeball!

Posted by: BigSleep at March 29, 2005 11:25 PM

Big sleep I wioll be happy to host you r blog and anyone esles shortly as soon as the program is finished
just sign on at kafirnation anfd when the structure is complete..
boom start blogging..
we have to work together
888
72. Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allâh as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, - these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad ), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate , but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, and Allâh is the All-Seer of what you do.

73. And those who disbelieve are allies to one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so (i.e. become allies, as one united block with one Khalifah - chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world to make victorious Allâh's Religion of Islâmic Monotheism), there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism, etc.) and oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism).

74. And those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard in the Cause of Allâh (Al-Jihâd), as well as those who gave (them) asylum and aid; - these are the believers in truth, for them is forgiveness and Rizqun Karîm (a generous provision i.e. Paradise).

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at March 29, 2005 11:26 PM

Giaour:

What clout does a bunch of Jihad Watchers and middle class conservatives have as compared to the Muslims.
A very good point indeed
In fact i am surprised that you still post on this site,and the same goes for myself

Posted by: shiva at March 30, 2005 1:31 AM

Giour says:

"The prohibition against swine is not because it is unclean, in fact nothing in the Qur'an mentions it as being unclean to my knowledge."

The concept of halal was co-opted from Jewish laws of Kashrut in order to pursuade Jews to leave Judaism and embrace Islaam.

Many other concepts from Judaism and Christianity were co-opted to make Islam seem more attractive and familiar for the sake of easy/comfortable conversion. This is why they adopted Jesus as a prophet which is another load of taqiyyah/baloney. Never, never would Islam really accept Jesus as a prophet who identified himself as G-d on earth or even the son of G-d. Let's face it. Muslims think we're stupid and unfortunately some of us are confirming it by buying into this steaming pile of fly-ridden camel doo...

Posted by: Kemaste at March 30, 2005 1:42 AM

One of the most effective things that can be done about CAIR using pressure for censuring freedom of speech in this country is continue to speak out against their actions. If they don't have anything to hide, then they'll have no problem with the public learning about mohammed and islam.
Maybe NRO should start advertising the koran for sale, with the intent of using it to educate the unkowning public. So what will CAIR do then? Prohibit the sale of the koran publically?

That's what you get for living under a rock for the past 1500 years, and suddenly finding your rock turned over exposing you to the sun.

Posted by: mshyde at March 30, 2005 2:12 AM

I have a great idea! Let's save our pennies and send CAIR a Christmas present this year.........a remote controlled Boeing 747 to fly into their headquarters as a sign of good will from the West! We can even put a martyr on it for them from Guantanimo if he or she so desires.

This is absurd that a US behemoth like Boeing has caved in to the Islamic liliputians idiot association again. I'm disgusted and ashamed that a religious veil is used for an intolerant ideology that has America by the gazoonga's again. Shame on you Boeing! Anybody want to send a donation for the flight? I'm in!

Posted by: WOG at March 30, 2005 9:35 AM

HUGH said
"make sure that your local library, by dint of your incessant requests, carries the books it should be carrying, and that Islamic propaganda is not accepted or if accepted, once the antisemitic and anti-Christian passages are pointed out, the books are removed. You have this power; use it. "

I have already been doing this for at least a year.
All the books by Spencer, Bat Ye'or. Bernard lewis and the excellent book by Serge, (all available from Amazon) and others have been donated one read to several libraries for general reading, in the hope that the truth will start circu;ating amongst the general public.
However there is a PROBLEM. Most qualified librarians tend to be indoctrinated in left wing ideology abd the books have to be donated without mention of their contents or the reaction is one of refusal to accept books that promote "hatred of Islam".
So i have found second hand book shops much keener to accept these books.
Also whilst in london , i purposefully enquired in a Watersones for books by Bat Ye'or and was told that "such books where not carried by this store". Make what you will of that statement, but it appears that even without pressure from CAIR, there is a;ready a stromg resistance to the selling of books that expose the gross injustices of Islam amongst western libraries and bookshops.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at March 30, 2005 12:40 PM

How about a Boeing drog Hooper from 30M feet.

Posted by: ala-sux at March 30, 2005 5:50 PM

It looks like NRB has rolled over all ready when I clicked the link "The Life and Religion of Mohammed" I got this.
“Record not found for product code c6614
This is probably a function of the database not having pricing information or other data about this book. About the only thing you can do now is go back or contact customer support.”

CAIR says and does what it “says and does”, because it CAN.

It will continue to do and say, whatever it wants, when ever it wants until such time as the NON Islamic population of America does something about it.
They and their followers simply do whatever they want because they are permitted to do so by default.

Is there anyone in America who thinks America is a better society because of the ascendancy of Islam in America?

Is there any one thing that CAIR and the followers of Islam have had to back track on since they started their quest to turn Islam into the “only religion” in America?

The west must understand one thing, if it understands nothing else, it must understand that the “Religion of Peace” is committed to RULE the WORLD either by “colonization by stealth” aka immigration and out breeding the host culture and changing that culture by out voting them where upon they replace the laws and social structures with those of Islam.

If this process is too slow they simply start SLAUGHTERING you.

The greatest strength of Islam is it’s singularity of purpose, there is no room for “diversity” “multiculturism” “harmony day’s” in Islam, that is one reason why when given the protection and facilitation of Anti Discrimination laws and a sycophantic apologist Socialist left and a pro Islam UN, it is almost unstoppable regardless of where it’s dark shadow is cast.

Is there any part of America BETTER OFF today because of the immigration /colonization by the followers of the “religion of peace” and all it begets civilized societies?

In my country Australia back in the late1980 /90’s we had thousand’s of Middle Eastern “refugees” claiming that life was so unbearable in their home country that they could no longer suffer it and could they please settle in Australia we were their last hope of a decent life for them and their children. The opportunistic Socialist federal governments of Hawke & Keating poured these “refugees” into the country to sure up Labor electorates and further dilute Australian society with a foreign & totally incompatible ideology in the name of multiculturalism and not been racist and good “world citizens”

We now have in Australia (appx.300,000) in the year 2005 these people and their Australian born descendants actually demanding that the very religious / social structures and belief’s that begat them, in their countries of origin, a society that, according to THEM was so UNLIVABLE they had to RUN AWAY from it to Australia, they are now DEMANDING that everything that they RAN AWAY from be imposed on Australian’s and Australian society.
They never came here to be like us, or to assimilate into Australian society they came here to turn Australia and anywhere else they colonize in the name of Islam, into the same
“UNLIVABLE” cess pool they ran away from.

I was never asked by any Australian Government State or Federal if I wanted to have people in my country who’s “community leaders” and “clerics” say that Australians are “raw sewerage” “Aussie sluts” “skips” and that soon we will not be able to “stop anyone coming to Australia and then what will we do”?
People, whose children GANG Rape “Aussie sluts” at will, attack our Police and our Soldiers, our school teachers & our elderly citizens.
They bleed our social security system dry with their four wives with at least 4 children each and their massive over representation in unemployment payments and disability benefits.

All the above provided by a system and a people they are committed to destroy at all cost’s.
I don’t know how best to neutralize this growing threat to civilisation in my country let alone how to do it in yours, but I do know this, somebody better think of something and quick.

Yours faithfully,
RSole.

Posted by: RSole at March 31, 2005 3:55 AM