I hope the new pope will preach a new CRUSADE against Islamic Terrorism.

I admire John Paul II for bringing the evil communism down but he is a bit heritical on some points, such as opposing just wars and seeming to say that Christians and muslims worship the same God.

I want a "CRUSADER POPE" not a dhimmi pope.

Appeasement never works!

PS: I am still around.

Posted by: Informed Christian at April 9, 2005 9:14 AM

Nostradamas is just a fool. He was probably hoping that a new invasion such as the Turkish invasion of Italy or Austria would happen again.

Also there were times when two popes reigned. Such as when a French puppet pope whose court was at Avignon.

Posted by: Informed Christian at April 9, 2005 9:17 AM

Originally a Prophecy of Saint Malachy of Armagh, made in 1139. He was born in 1095, died Nov 2 1148.

The 112th Pope was who ?
Either :
Gregorius VI 1045-1046
Clemens II 1046-1047
Damasus II 1048
If I counted correctly it should be Clemens II, according to the list published in Istvan Bejczy 2001. A acquaintance with the Medieval world.
Coutinho Publishing, Originally in Dutch (Een kennismaking met de Middeleeuwse wereld)224p

However, nothing is certain with the Papacy.
Bonifatius VI was the 112th Pope in 896 after an uprising, but his election was declared null in 898.

Found this link, still have to read it.
http://www.jpdawson.com/lastpope.html

Posted by: Briggs at April 9, 2005 10:16 AM

Wasn't John Paul the 1st the one who was murdered?

Anyway, Nostradamus is on our side. He predicted that the muslims would be defeated, and Mecca destroyed.

Posted by: Voltaire at April 9, 2005 10:38 AM

Hey i could find prophicies in wheels on the bus if i wanted to. People actually believe this crap and when it dosen't happen carefully ignore it.

Posted by: Pegcity at April 9, 2005 10:39 AM

I don't care for another dissertation about Nostradamus’ or any other so-called prophet outside of Christ. Too many holes in that claim to connect the dots.

I find it funny that Nostradamus’ is important to Muslims. Now if the Muslims want to believe in him that would be sac religious according to their faith would it not? However, there again lies the nature of Islam, find a cause to point a finger and boy let's make it all come true for the "sake of Islam."

Gee, do you think it might be Muslim extremists who will try to shoot the next Pope?.....................Nahhhhhhhh. Or could it be the preferred explanation like their leader Muhammad so often says in the Koran, as
”God commanded me to commit the atrocity” so to speak in the name of Allah! Let's rev up the B-52's and get this over with inviting the next Pope to sit in the cockpit and fire up the engines leading the charge! I’m sick of appeasing beasts who destroy life in the name of false prophets. Where in the book of life does murder = life?

Posted by: WOG at April 9, 2005 10:56 AM

Nostradmaus's BIG Prophecy... the one that was supposed to prove his mettle, was that:

THE GREAT KING OF TERROR WOULD ARRIVE OVER PARIS IN AUGUST 1999.

We're about 6 years late on that one.

Unless it was a thwarted Muslim plot to blow up the Eiffel Tower by crashing a jetliner into it?

If so, then all of the prophecies can be thwarted.

I predict:

that the next Pope will be Catholic.

And, I'll go out on a limb, and predict:

that it will be a man.

And, even further on the prognosticational branch:

the next Pontiff will be from Brazil.

I can only hope he knows his Koran.

Posted by: BigSleep at April 9, 2005 11:17 AM

Stan we will never be able to "live and let live" with muslims as long as they believe the qur'an:

Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.” [Another translation says:] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 9, 2005 4:39 PM

I doubt that would be necessary (or even justified), but no doubt there'd be a lot of anger. Maybe theological explications wouldn't be sufficient.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 9, 2005 6:20 PM

I'm not Catholic - but what god did the (unsuccessful) assassin of Pope John Paul (the bloke who has just died)worshiped? The bloke who tried to kill him in the 80's.

I know he was Turkish. But was it "nationalism" that drove him, as our incredibly accurate media reported, or was it something else?

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at April 9, 2005 8:02 PM

I can't wait until the next Pope is stupid enough to call for one of those silly little "Crusades". Perhaps it will help thin the numbers of both Christians and Muslims alike, and leave the Earth a little less concentrated for those of us who refuse to accept ANY fake/false God or prophet.

Ah yes, Crusading. Pretty much all the bloody Catholics are good for really. Perhaps they'll sack Constantinople on the way by again and rid it of the Jewish scourge along the way.

Posted by: lollercopter at April 9, 2005 9:38 PM

lollercopter - And who, pray tell is going to be allowed to live in your perfect world? You are talking about me and my children when you slam Christians.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 9, 2005 9:58 PM

Jewish "scourge"? What the hell are you, a nazi?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 9, 2005 9:59 PM

Hey, lollercopter,

Funny post, dumbass.

Please feel free to go and get fucked, racist.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 9, 2005 10:27 PM

3rdtimelucky: The pope's assassin was indirectly working for the KGB, it was revealed recently, so you could say that he worshipped at the altar of Josef Stalin. Apparently he was recruited by Bulgaria. JPII wrote in his journals, btw, that he *knew* the guy was a communist agent.

Lollercopter: What you wrote is *straight* out of Mein Kampf. With your own words, you have revealed yourself to be a National Socialist.

The German contraction for National Socialism, btw, is Nazi.

Thus endeth the history lesson, dipshit.

Posted by: Steffan at April 9, 2005 11:21 PM

Oh, how now virtuous Christians?

It appears that you are the one that needs to get fucked, sir.

From where do you get that I am a racist? Or a Nazi? Because I used the term "Jewish Scourge?" Oh, well then, in a case like this understanding the context is clearly the key. I don't personally think Jewish individuals are a scourge at all. Yet I was talking about the crusaders, who considered them such, and were generally very convert-or-die with the Jewish populations scattered about. In other words, in was for satirical purposes only.

Then again, I find it incredibly ironic that someone else is calling someone a "racist" while posting on a site that contains constant condemnations of the evil "Middal Easterns/Moozlims" har-dee-har-har.

No matter.

Just for the record I dislike and slam all religions equally.

Hey, if people are calling for more "crusades" and "holy wars" in the Middle East, I'm all for it if it gets rid of the die-hard religious sheeple from both sides.

Posted by: lollercopter at April 9, 2005 11:23 PM

Oh, how now virtuous Christians?

Self-righteous much, lollercopter? So superior in your atheism. Don't count on getting rid of all of us, there are a lot of us Christians that intend to fight till the end. I'm beginning to wonder whose side you would be on when the chips are down.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 9, 2005 11:49 PM

lollipop-copter-

I thought you were being droll (and not a racist, etc.), in the Monty Python sense, about Constantinople. (A blot on European history, and one that even the late Pope specifically apologized for as a shameful folly and inhuman disaster, and black mark on the Catholic Chruch.)

On your later riposte-

Islam is not a "race", but a thought process.

If you read more than the graphic novel version of the Koran (Qur'an) you'll find out what thoughts it wants you to consider as Truth.

And the ones its adherents are killing people over. (Sura 9:5, etc.)

The earlier 'big faiths' have stopped their literal governmental pursuit of earthly power -thanks to such things as The Bill of Rights, etc., which separate church and state.

Islam has no such 'separation'. It IS the State.

So, fantasizing about 'opposing groups of equivalent religious fanatics cancelling each other out' is silly. The Israelis, if they were not under the protection of the U.S., would have been erased by Islamic armies already, with the 'younger offshoot faith' strangling the 'Source creed'.

Islam, without some strong secular power to stop its theocratic expanionist dreams, will be killing people just like you, first.

The skeptics, agnostics, atheists, deists, pagans and freethinkers are at the top of the "strike at their necks" command of Allah. (That's the 'holy' Koranic line responsible for all of the beheadings going around in the Muslim world.)

So, whether you care to dismiss the mortal concern of people here as "racist" (Islam, I repeat is not a genotype, but a thought process) or think Islam's behavior is no worse than the long-ago Inquisition, remember, if Torquemada could have gotten his hands on a nuke, the killing of heretics would not have been a slow, relatively-localized tragedy, but entire cities would have been fried to cinders for the glory of the intolerant Dark Age deity.

Its current name is Allah.
Its current Inquisitors are jihadists.

We can fight them with intelligence, scorn, humor, cunning and strength, -or sit idly dithering and unaware, waiting for it to outbreed and outwit us.

P.S. "The Middle East" is only where some of the most militant members of the 'faith' [that is looking to absorb the globe] are concentrated, but the concern with this expanding dogmatic despotism stretches from Morocco to Malaysia.

Google any combination of:

jihad infidel restored caliphate victory allah war

-and you'll see that those who want you and your head in discrete locations are working hard toward their goal.

One of a world with no freedom of thought.

Just freedom to bow. And bow. And bow. And bow.

Posted by: BigSleep at April 10, 2005 12:22 AM

Here HERE now. My namesake spoke four hundred years ago. When I saw Orson Wells narrate " The Man Who Saw Tomorrow " in the 1980's I laughed my head off at the notion of a jihad and crusade mentality in this modern day, we had moved beyound religion dominating politics I thought. Half of the population is atheist after all.

Many people have misinterpeted his quatrians. Those are the misinterpetations of him , not him.
Most is unintelligeble but a few diamonds shine through.

The King Of Terror would bring fire from the sky and destroy the new city in 1999.

The Twin Towers of New York had more phone lines that the city of Detriot so it could be called a city unto it's self. OSB is the king terrorist now. The interpatition of that was thought to be a nuclear attack. ( That could still happen. ) Note when Bush was told of the 9/11 attacks he flew over several closer military bases and was ultimately sent to a nuclear missle silo in Nebraska. Why? I submit due to U.S. inteligence interpatation of that Nostrodamus quatrain.

Ever since WWII U.S. military inteligence has been pouring over Nostrodamus quatrains. Talk of a Anti-Christ named Hister who's followers saluted a crooked cross caught their attention.

The next Anti-Christ would be a Muslim who would turn the air, land and water BLACK! BLACK! BLACK!
Which Saddam did during the first Gulf War when he blew up the oil wells in Kuwait.

Who or what else could divide the United States from France and " threaten our status as a super power " as some Senators have feared other than such an arch type?

Again the United States obsession with Saddam in spite of world oppinion may have been influenced in no small part to an assesment of Nostrodamus.

And yes he alluded to jihads in central Europe naming two rivers than run through the old Yugoslavia as a location. And also the collapse of the Catholict Church as well as the ultimate defeat of the Jihad.

Nostrodamus's references to colors, shapes, connectic action is being echoed by modern day Remote Viewers.

Though the grist of tabloids and cheap books, Nostrodamus has had a greater impact on geo-political intelligence assesment than is generally realised by the public.

Nossy

Posted by: Nostrodamus at April 10, 2005 12:29 AM

Right then. I could only assume there would be some kind of reasoning to why past Christian horrors are always overlooked. Apparently the "jihadist horde" is just too much of a great enemy to give up at the moment.

Despite being called a National Socialist, above other things, I was actually born Jewish. Not just "Jewish" though but to actually Orthodox Jewish parents. So before renouncing my faith in my adulthood I had gone through boyhood learning Hebrew and attending functions in the community, and the Synogogue on a regular basis.

Yet during this time, I learned that none could be more hateful that an evangelical Christian scorned. Between being asked ad nauseaum "Why did your kind kill Christ" and "Do you really drink the blood of Christian boys" I was always left pondering why this deity, whether he be "Hashem" as I knew him, or "God", "Allah", or whoever the hell could allow such unbridled ignorance in this world. Such is now my utter rejection of this "deity". But the culture and people from which I came from is still very much a part of me, even if I reject the Orthodox tenets of it.

After all, it was the Christians who ran my family out of Europe to begin with. We were simply vermin to them, a "manipulator" of the good Christian people. How they suffered at the hands of your beloved, "tolerant" gospel preaching Christian bretheren.

Yet Christians love to sugar coat everything. They love to think Christianity was never spread by the sword, or that Christians have never been responsible for the most heinous crimes committed. At least in the Islamic days my "kind" would be entitled to a form of self-government even if it meant second class status. That was at least better than murder at the hands of the Christians, who forced converted their way through the pagan barbarians starting with Charlemagne.

The Muslims now make for an easy enemy. Or the "jihadists" as you call them. While they doctrine may be another flawed creation of some random man Christians seem to think recent events is enough for some sort of "crusade". As if the Christian holy book is that much more tolerant and non-violent. Right.

I must tell you that while you fear the so called "threat" of the "jihadists" I'll sit back and grin.

When push comes to shove I wouldn't side with either of you. I'd rather die than live under the Islamic Caliphate or the Christianized American theocracy the evangelicals would so love to have.

Posted by: lollercopter at April 10, 2005 1:18 AM

Right then. I could only assume there would be some kind of reasoning to why past Christian horrors are always overlooked. Apparently the "jihadist horde" is just too much of a great enemy to give up at the moment.

Despite being called a National Socialist, above other things, I was actually born Jewish. Not just "Jewish" though but to actually Orthodox Jewish parents. So before renouncing my faith in my adulthood I had gone through boyhood learning Hebrew and attending functions in the community, and the Synogogue on a regular basis.

Yet during this time, I learned that none could be more hateful that an evangelical Christian scorned. Between being asked ad nauseaum "Why did your kind kill Christ" and "Do you really drink the blood of Christian boys" I was always left pondering why this deity, whether he be "Hashem" as I knew him, or "God", "Allah", or whoever the hell could allow such unbridled ignorance in this world. Such is now my utter rejection of this "deity". But the culture and people from which I came from is still very much a part of me, even if I reject the Orthodox tenets of it.

After all, it was the Christians who ran my family out of Europe to begin with. We were simply vermin to them, a "manipulator" of the good Christian people. How they suffered at the hands of your beloved, "tolerant" gospel preaching Christian bretheren.

Yet Christians love to sugar coat everything. They love to think Christianity was never spread by the sword, or that Christians have never been responsible for the most heinous crimes committed. At least in the Islamic days my "kind" would be entitled to a form of self-government even if it meant second class status. That was at least better than murder at the hands of the Christians, who forced converted their way through the pagan barbarians starting with Charlemagne.

The Muslims now make for an easy enemy. Or the "jihadists" as you call them. While they doctrine may be another flawed creation of some random man Christians seem to think recent events is enough for some sort of "crusade". As if the Christian holy book is that much more tolerant and non-violent. Right.

I must tell you that while you fear the so called "threat" of the "jihadists" I'll sit back and grin.

When push comes to shove I wouldn't side with either of you. I'd rather die than live under the Islamic Caliphate or the Christianized American theocracy the evangelicals would so love to have.

Posted by: lollercopter at April 10, 2005 1:18 AM

Lollercopter, my apologies, but you can't just post that rot without giving it a "sarc" label, if you're new to the site.

And if you're calling me a "racist" for posting on JW, then by all means show me where I've posted racism, or tell me what race muslims are.

And finally, if you think "your kind" would have had any more luck under islamic laws, you need to look up the term "dhimmi". Ask yourself too just how many Jews there are living in islamic nations these days - even before Israel.

Luck with any of those,

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 10, 2005 1:46 AM

By-the-by, "blood drinking" is an old one that comes from islam. Check out MEMRI on "The Blood Libel". It's a hoot. I'm a socialist as well, and I'm sorry you ever had to hear such nonsense from anyone, evangelical or otherwise.

Who says the West has not learned from the East?

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 10, 2005 1:48 AM

Ramaz--I wouldn't be so pessimistic. Most American Christians are Protestants of one stripe or another--certainly if practicing--and a good number of these think the papacy a corrupt and wrong-headed organization. The assassination of a Pope by Muslims would probably raise suspicions about the Muslim community in America and there might be some deportations of some of the crazier imams and accelerated deportation of people in dicey immigration status. Possibly, there might even be a few vandalisms and lynchings (with the perpetrators of such crimes tracked down and prosecuted). However, my guess is that there would be a much fiercer backlash in parts of Europe, Africa, and Latin America where the Romanc Catholic Church has a stronger hold.

BigSleep, I don't give a fig for Nostradamus, either. There's been no prophecy that anyone is obliged to believe since John the Apostle wrote the last words of the book of Revelation--that goes for the Qur'an and Book of Mormon, too.

Posted by: Kepha at April 10, 2005 1:55 AM

Lilly Liver, you're obviously moslem, so why come on here posing as a former Jew? Your tripe makes me laugh! Thanks for the giggles.

P.S. You're gonna be mincemeat on this site :o)

Posted by: Just_Linda at April 10, 2005 1:20 PM

lollercopter,

The "crazy" evengelicals will not kill you for not being a Christian or make your daughter share her husband with 4 other women or make her cover up head to toe. They will not support "honor killing". All they may do is ask you to become a christian. If you don't they will not slit your throat...but Muslims will do that hoping to have 72 virgins in heaven.

What you choose is not only for you, but for your kids also. Please think about their future.

Posted by: buddha at April 10, 2005 6:17 PM

I been waiting to post this article in an adequate post for some while, I guess one qualifies the best.

I am not basing this on the prophecies of Nostradamus, I am basing it on understanding history and watching current trends.

In short:

Last time we had a group of people, in that case the German nation, with powerful sentiments of being disdained, and incredible amounts of anger and hate, it all went so very wrong. The hate in the Arab world is of no less equal strenght, and though it´s less backed by German industrial effectiveness, it is more backed by by concepts as Jihad, martyrs, and a tendency to see this world as a bridge to either heaven or hell.

Besides we have China directing it´s guns towards Taiwan. It´s not strong enough for now, but 20-30 years ahead it will be, and might find nothing can stop it from taking Taiwan, but the US might still want to stop it. China will have the world greatest economy in 40 years, before that it might have the mightiest military.

The Arab world will double it´s own population in the next 20 years, leaving huge crowds of dissatisfied young men in poverty and unemployment, Lots of potential muhajedin footsoldiers.

At the same time a new kind of oil crisis, a supply crisis is likely to start late this year or next year with uncertain duration and outcome.
But the Arab world will be making more money on oil than before, and their pattern in spending on military, madrasses, mosques, will hardly change.
More about this here:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8337

Alliance between China and moslem world is not unthinkable, since their objectives meet one another along the road.

I leave you to the article now, I can be contacted on Thomabolding@hotmail.com

Thomas Bolding Hansen

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The MYTH of Islamophobia.

It´s been common for a long time to talk about rising rascism,intolerance, and now islamophobia directed towards Moslem minorities of
immigrants in Europe.

Phobia in my English dictionary is expressed as: "exaggerated and
illogical fear of something".

My own local dictionary goes even further than that, calling it besides
irrational a "morbid fear", hinting we are talking about a state of
mental instability.

Phobia in terms of arachnophobia, Claustrophobia smells of it as well.
After all by any means a spider, atleast in this part of the world, pose no real threat to any one as compared eg. to a car.

But are we suffering from islamophobia, just in the sense of irrational fear, or could there be reasons why more and more, enter the alerted
state?

Like I said before it´s not only common to talk about islamophobia.
Before someone even coined that term a more frequent accusation/association was that of rascism and it was compared with the antisemitism of the Nazis, and by any means it still is.

But back in 1939-40 when the Germans invaded, to name a few of the countries now reknown for growing hostility to immigrants; Holland, Denmark, Norway.
These countries in varying degrees showed quite resistant to nazism even at a point in the beginning of the war, where the prospect Germany would triumph. Not that there weren´t any
anti-semites and not that some people from those countries did not join the nazis, but it wasn´t many, and even the Germans here in Denmark got
impregnated with the atmosphere and looked the other way while we shipped the majority of Danish jews to Sweden.

If we were that immune to fanaticism back then, are there any reason to assume that this day, where the Scandinavian countries top the world
chart in general tolerance, that we are more likely to adopt fanatic ideas, and hateful mindsets ?

But yet, so called "intolerance" towards a certain group called moslems is on the rise these day as tolerance! towards many other cultures, gays etc. is on the rise.

And that is what some like to call islamophobia - irrational fear of moslems.

Another look back in history shows us how through the 70´s people like Arafat was cheered, though the 80´s Ayatollah Khomenei was shown spewing
hatred in speech after speech, American flags or Israeli ones was shown again and again in the media being burned in Iran or in Palestine. But
the western world in general just looked and shrugged, "Hey that´s their waste of lives", after gazing a while in disbelief.

If people here were apt to answer hate with hate, now they could have started long ago!

Today some few beyond doubt do answer hate with hate. But we are neither talking about islamophobia or anything irrational, quite on the
contrary!

The militant islam riding on waves of unfathomable hatred pose a more potent threat than most people, including our political leaders in´particular, can possibly imagine ( or will publically acknowledge ). If
you wanna talk about genuine feelings of "one kind of people more worth than others"; which in other connections is called ”rascism, widespread antisemitism, ravines of hate and intolerance,
look towards the Arab world. It´s not only a minority, it´s rampant!

I will now quote this article which I recommend for reading:

http://www.meaningfulliving.com/editorial-why_they_hate_us.htm

"Bill Gates drops out from College to form his own multi billion dollar
software company. Babe Ruth held the home run baseball title for over fifty years. Michael Jordan refined the sport of basketball and became
the game’s greatest player in the history of that sport. Idi Amin is despised in the rest of the world for his sledgehammer tactics and
admired in the Islamic world, for standing up to Israel during the Entebbe airfield Palestinian fiasco. Adolph Hitler’s name is synonymous
with evil and is idolized here for gassing six million Jews. Osama Bin Ladin restored face to the Arab world by destroying the World Trade
Center. Saddam Hussein stood up to the imperialist West and became the only Arab leader in modern history to attack Israel and get away with it. See a significant pattern here? If individual success didn’t matter in our culture Bill Gates probably would have ended up a librarian with his outstanding organizational skills. If Professional sports didn’t mean much in the States then it would have been foolish for Nike to sign´on Michael Jordan as a promoter of tennis shoes, and Babe Ruth would have never become famous. Idi Amin would have been executed in his own country for the many thousands of murders carried out by his hand picked
military, and Osama Bin Ladin would have stayed in construction."

"Adolph Hitler is remembered in the West for bringing WW II to the world through his ambitious hope of the thousand year Reich, and fifty million
are dead as a result. For this he has brought great shame to the Germanic world. Mein Kampf is a best seller here in the gulf. It is really one of the few books that non westerners buy here, and the reason is that Hitler’s fascist government very nearly accomplished with the
holocaust what the Arabs would do if they, but had the power to do so.
He has been elevated to Hero status! Idi Amin and Osama Bin Ladin are also honored here among the leaders of the Gulf! It doesn’t really take
training in Anthropology to see the obvious! Islam upholds what these killers have in common and is a religion of war rather than peace."

Good point! what we choose as icons, to revere, to respect, is saying the bunch about our mentality. So when people like OBL, Ayatollah
Khomenei, Idi Amin, even Saddam Hussein and Hitler are widely and often majorly! cherished as icons in the Arab world, it speaks volumes about
what we can expect if they ever get anywhere near physical ability to harm us and Israel.

So maybe this "Islamophobia" is not so irrational after all, certainly not when you behold all factors at play, from the local problems with Moslem immigrants, to the global problems of global jihad.

"Calm down" many will probably be likely to say, the Arab world all together spite it´s oil wealth has a GNP less than Spain. The entire
Arab world of 250+ people produces less goods for export than the Finland with it´s 5-6 million people. The Arab world stands divided, by
any means how could they pose a serious threat to us ?

I don´t disagree as to the analysis of the current situation. I would´even agree that massive terror attacks ( we are and will be foiling most of them ) can only do limited damage to us on a physical level.

But you have got to think 20-30 years ahead as well, and then we might have a very different situation than this day.

As some in the Arab world notice, with not so well hidden pleasure, China with 1 billion + people will in about 35 years surpass the GNP
output of the United States and thus become the world´s biggest economy.
Before the GNP of China surpasses that of the States, their spending on
military will have surpassed that of the USA since they spend probably even a good deal over 8 % of their GNP on the military and then is a lot
of research and development not even counted. It becomes then more likely that China will challenge USA and Japan in pacific and invade
Taiwan which could easily lead to US/western intervention.

And while that starts to take place China is very likely to be assisted by NK which will see it´s chance to fall over SK, You know, guess what ? Who
might see their chance as well, and who will be the target besides ?

In 20-30 years ahead the Arab world will have more than doubled it´s population or there abouts. It´s hardly likely to hate us less. Regimes like Pakistan can fall into fundamentalist hands at any moment, the same
with SA though that one is unlikely to be allowed to stay in the hands of those.
The Arab world might even have started to boost their economies ( which won´t result in them hating us less, not that at all ), if nothing else they will have received substantial income from oil which is soon gonna be to much in demand, for adequate supply.
An estimate that is very recent consider barrels likely to go as high as 105$ per barrel, they may go even higher for a period. This will strenghten their economies and weaken ours until we sufficiently adapt ourselves to the new conditions.

Now we have the attacker, but who will be the target ? Besides Israel which will the first and prime target, the next in line will be Europe
just as due to the Von Schlieffen plan in ww1, Germany had to squash France quite fast in order to take up the more geographic distant Russia with
success, the Arab world will have to swarm Europe in order to clear the way for combatting the hard part, the USA far away across the atlantic.

Given the circumstance that European forces at that point might have been deployed in Asia, the way is paved for arab world´s conventional
armies to start rolling over Europe assisted by potentially millions of muhajedins, from the affluency of poor Arab youth filled with hate and out to settle a score with all they can
muster from Rpgs, semiautomatic weapons and handguns, naturally assisted and cheered by huge crowds of ghettoized immigrants, 20 years ahead
Substituting a large segment in society.

It sounds like a nightmare, and indeed it would be, but unfortunately it´s far from an impossible one.

Ofcourse a lot of things can happen in the future, fortunately events can take a better turn, we don´t know much about the future in the end, sometimes that works out ok, but at other times it doesn´t!

Most of the pieces in the scenario I depict above are already in place, the rest might follow over the next decades.

China could drop it´s ambitions about Taiwan. Islam could be majorly reformed. NK could cease to be the brainwashed communist state it is
today, but the step it´s likely to take is one like China.

And finally the Arab world could remain split and fighting internal.

But we should not count on it, and certainly not if we allow our
economies and military forces to grow weak or our scientific lead to become less.

The need for the democracies in the world to bolster a defensive alliance, to maintain huge military forces ( and in the case of Europe
to boost them substantially in terms of air power, and replacing conscripts with well trained professional forces), to build anti ballistic shields.
In other words a new strong defensive military and political alliance will have to be build between the democracies that constitute the world of western civilization.

Here especially Europe must see it´s goal as building a seperate superpower with a different identity as secondary to an overall
democratic alliance!

Islamophobia is in the end not so irrational as one might think, on the contrary to fail to behold the factual world we live in as it is;
substitutes the irrational part.

Posted by: TBH_1 at April 11, 2005 6:47 AM

Nossy: If the US intelligence community truly is poring over your namesake, then I now understand why US Cold War policies were so futile; and why for forty years or so we were losing everywhere from middle Europe to the Far East to our own Latin American doorstep--and only when the Soviet Union's internal contradictions caught up with it were we saved only to face a Furor Islamicus. God is not mocked, and those who heed false and lying prophets are a special target of his wrath (only those who know His Word yet inwardly mock him are worse).

Posted by: Kepha at April 11, 2005 6:48 AM