It is well past time for calling Islam a legitimate religion and start calling it what it is, a global crime syndicate

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 12, 2005 12:59 PM

Anyone here the moonbat theories of train cars with shakles, and secret holding pens under the denver airport? Anyone think theres any truth to these conspiracy theories?

Posted by: Pegcity at April 12, 2005 1:09 PM

Pegcity, I wanted to laugh at the idea of Denver. I googled around and found this article about the murals at Denver airport, as they said "they're pretty damned freaky!"

http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/murals.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 12, 2005 1:50 PM

Those theories come after a long day of chewing khat.

Moose

Posted by: Moose at April 12, 2005 2:03 PM

These guys are victims of the plain truth!
Written by,
Ayatollah Dase (SWT).

Posted by: Dase at April 12, 2005 3:49 PM

Ayatollah Dase.. Great name! Use your title well and issue your fatwas sparingly..

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at April 12, 2005 5:07 PM

UN calls for eliminating "defamation" of islam.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=8157194

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 12, 2005 5:32 PM

Carolyn2 I sent that to Spencer care of you that is sick news

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 12, 2005 5:42 PM

I keep repeating this theme lately to emphasize the connection between the Qur'an and Islamic teachings and these acts of terrorism

I keep noting, Mr. Spencer, that you never provide us with evidence from legitimate Islamic texts (not the "opinions" of this person or that) that terrorism is justifiable. This fault of yours unfortunately detracts a great deal from your credibility.

Posted by: Shukri at April 12, 2005 7:02 PM

Shukri,

The Quranic textual accounts providing justification for Jihad for muslims are numerous and are documented by a plethora of well written and highly respected texts some of which are authored by Mr. Spencer. Simply because you are either too lazy or too incompetent, or both, to do that research yourself does not mean that the data does not exist. The fact is that it does exist and is widely available. Your lack of understanding in this regard detracts greatly from your own credibility.

Mahdi

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at April 12, 2005 7:50 PM

My dear Shukri,

In my book "Onward Muslim Soldiers," as well as at various points on this site, I have cited Qur'an, Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, Mishkat Al-Mesabih, Muwatta Malik, the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, Tafsir Al-Jalalayn, the Sira of Ibn Ishaq/Ibn Hisham, the Tarikh of at-Tabari, and sources for Sharia and fiqh including al-Maqasid, the Shafi'i Umdat al-Salik, Mawardi's Al-Akham as-Sultaniyyah, the Hedayah, and more.

The fact that you are either unaware of my use of this material or don't consider these "legitimate Islamic texts" detracts greatly from your credibility.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at April 12, 2005 8:07 PM

Speaking of Dougie Hooper,CAIR is celebrating the 10 anniversary of the Oklahoma bombing,he
is using this to show how "Terrorism" crosses all religions.

Too bad Hooper is so closed minded that he never heard about the new book by Jayna Davis
that exposes the link to Saudi Arabia where Timothy McVeigh met the Al-Qaeda while doing his Tour of Duty there in the Gulf-war.

Here's the links to Hooper and Jayna.

http://www.jaynadavis.com/main.html

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1535&theType=NR

Poor Muslims,grasping at straws to avoid drowning in the sea of deceit that tries to
defend Islam as slaughtering less people than other Faiths.
This is the same Org. that boasted about the 911 hijackers as not being "American-Muslims" and were in the Country because of a weak National security system,truely amazing that now CAIR calls the hijackers "Muslims" when at first
there was a adamant denial of any connection to Islam.

Posted by: ala-sux at April 12, 2005 8:26 PM

BTW,just walked by a Muslim in the Internet Cafe that was praying in the hallway at the rear where the washrooms are,on the way back I sang the tune "Oh what a friend we have in Jesus".

I hope my right to free speech didn't impose on his right to force Islam on people by proxy.

I could go to jail for that.

Posted by: ala-sux at April 12, 2005 8:30 PM

heres a nice little example of tollerant islam

14. A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27)

Can someone tell me about the Hijab, whats the deal with it. Does it actually have any religious significance or is this a post 1979.

Posted by: Pegcity at April 12, 2005 8:31 PM

Shukri's a funny fellow. =)

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 12, 2005 8:33 PM

ala-sux-

Try whistling the theme "Always Look in the Bright Side of Life" (from the Monty Python film "Life of Brian"). It is chipper enough to make you puke. And usually pricks up the ears of those bent, with hindquarters raised, blocking streets, hallways or otherwise being a public nuisance and fire code threat.

Shukri-

There is a magical internet tool called the (golly gee!) a 'search engine'.

Put in words like "Hadith hate Quran Islam terrorism suras Koran infidel death" and sit back enjoy the plethora of pertinent quotations from the googolplex of sites that will be at a click of your 'mouse'. Such as:

Sura 9:5. (And it isn't a Dolly Parton movie.)

Do your own homework before you accuse others of not having done their's.

You can start at:

http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIVO&byte=282392

Posted by: BigSleep at April 12, 2005 9:13 PM

Allah is playing games with the previous link, so try:

http://www.hti.umich.edu/

and click on "text collections",
then scroll down and click on "Koran",
then click on "Browse the Koran",
and click on "Immunity"
and scroll down to sura "9:5".

(Why it won't go in one jump, who knows?)

Posted by: BigSleep at April 12, 2005 9:22 PM

Warning Ticking Time-bomb in London
Remember the humble muslim that came to this site,and then left after humiliating us all.
He is now Under the illusion that he is Saladin shaking the foundation at
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8371&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120
Scroll half way down
True Muslims are Lions of God, we fear nothing. We have no fear of death, in my life if I am destined to be shaeed in any way (death due to certain illnesses, accidents, die defending what/who I love) then I am content with that. That is worth more to me than all the riches in the World.
The question is how more like this are now stalking in the streets and malls of London,New York or any other city in Europe or America

Posted by: shiva at April 12, 2005 10:40 PM

Try 'em.

Then fry 'em.

They want to meet their 72 virgins... so let's pack their bags!!!

Posted by: pythagoras at April 12, 2005 10:49 PM

I live in New York City.

Posted by: Issac Ali Kharish at April 13, 2005 12:12 AM

Robert Spencer said: In my book "Onward Muslim Soldiers," as well as at various points on this site, I have cited...

The only book that I have read of yours is "Islam Unveiled". But that is besides the point. I am asking for a direct justification of terrorism(the deliberate targetting of innocent civilians for political reasons) from the Quran or Sunnah. None of the sources you cited provides such a justification.

Pegcity said: Can someone tell me about the Hijab, whats the deal with it.

Why Hijab?

Bigsleep said: Sura 9:5. (And it isn't a Dolly Parton movie.)

Do your own homework before you accuse others of not having done their's.

My advice to you is the same. Read Chapter 9 (entitled "Repentance", not "Go slaughter non-Muslims")

Posted by: Shukri at April 13, 2005 12:48 AM

I keep noting, Mr. Spencer, that you never provide us with evidence from legitimate Islamic texts (not the "opinions" of this person or that) that terrorism is justifiable. This fault of yours unfortunately detracts a great deal from your credibility.

Posted by: Shukri at April 12, 2005 07:02 PM

Shukri, Mr. Spencer consistently provides ample evidence from Islam's canonical texts, verbatim quotes in fact, to back up his assertions. You're obviously a muslim, surely you have perused the Qur'an, Bukhari, et al, ad nauseam. How would you interpret the endless stream of violence; sexual perversion; graphic depictions of torture and beheadings; cold-blooded murder of innocent men, women, and children; rape; pillage; plunder; ruthless destruction of property, including archives, antiquities, cultural and religious icons?

How about the degradation and subjugation of women and their lowly status in your "perfect" religion? Some of the observations about women found in your "holy" texts are as revulsive as pornography. Pay attention and you can look it all up yourself, should you doubt Mr. Spencer. It's all there, it's all part of Islam, and it's all utterly despicable. Islam is a predatory death cult designed for sexually perverted, barbaric Arabs.

Posted by: Susanp at April 13, 2005 1:33 AM

Just wondering cause i keep seeing more and more Osamettes wearing them, kinda freaking me out.

Posted by: Pegcity at April 13, 2005 1:49 AM

Hey Shukri

How are you??? Found any little 9 year old girls so that you can bonk their brains out in the name of Allah and follow in the footsteps of that pedophile Mohammed?????? Better yet, after bonking them, keep them as a "wife", and then brainwash them that your abuse is OK as Allah says so. You're a sick little individual.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at April 13, 2005 4:10 AM

Ah I see Shukri is back after failing to answer the very relevant points posed by 3rdtimelucky on the "Thailand: Muslims sabotage "good neighbor" outreach effort" thread last week.

This is the person who earlier told me, on the subject of the rape of the child Aisha,

"As for Ayesha's marriage. It's not our problem but your problem because you are viewing it through the rose colored glasses of modern Western culture."

So what sort of man does not have a problem with the paedophilic abuse of a child? Do I have to spell it out? This creature is beyond troll, do not engage him further.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 13, 2005 4:38 AM

Hi 3rdtimelucky
I was spell checking my draft while you were posting your comments above. We concur I see. :)

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 13, 2005 4:44 AM

Hi Granny Weatherwax

Yep - we do concur. I can't get over how blind Muslims can be. You'd think a bloke who "spoke to god", that god would tell him that a nine year old is a child.

Even secular science shows that. Shukri however writes off the obvious as "its cultural, you wouldn't understand". So apart from insulting our intelligence, its a pretty weak comeback from him. Also makes you wonder, why if Islam is so "progressive" they all have to come to infidel uni's to get an education. You'd think such an advanced idealogy would produce greats like Newton (a Bible believing Christian) Einstien (a secular Jew) etc etc. But nope! I think the only major thing the Muslims have managed to produce is working out how to shove that Chinese invention of gunpowder down a metal pipe to make a gun and kill people (funny that). I only hope that the Eurabians (who were the first victims of this invention) again wake up and repay the "peace" threefold like they did in the past to these aggressors. Unfortunately I think the Euro leaders are much dumber this time around.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at April 13, 2005 4:57 AM

The leaders may be dumb, we are not.

And in the 6 months since my distress about Beslan brought me to this site I have seen increasing numbers of new posters here. For every poster there are probably several more readers, and word gets round.

I read a post yesterday that the dissemination of information via this internet will effect the demise of Islam eventually.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 13, 2005 5:21 AM

I hope so. But I talk with my local pollies, and they go on about "Multiculturalism", not admiting to the fact that all cultures are good (take the cannibalistic cultures, or those that worshiped the moon god of war in the middle east who offered children as sacrifices....um is that still happening today??).

But it is heartening to see your optimism.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at April 13, 2005 5:30 AM

Whoops a correction to my post above -

"Multiculturalism", not admiting to the fact that all cultures are good"

should read "that all cultures are NOT nessessarily good"

sorry -

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at April 13, 2005 5:32 AM

My dear Shukri,

Ah, shucks.

You say: "I am asking for a direct justification of terrorism(the deliberate targetting of innocent civilians for political reasons) from the Quran or Sunnah. None of the sources you cited provides such a justification."

I think that all depends on your definition of "innocent." Surely you are aware that many prominent Islamic leaders do not consider anyone in Israel innocent, or the people in the WTC innocent, etc.

Mawardi and the Shafi'is, to name just a few, allow for the killing of noncombatants if they are perceived as aiding the war effort of the kuffar.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at April 13, 2005 6:59 AM

"BTW,just walked by a Muslim in the Internet Cafe that was praying in the hallway at the rear where the washrooms are,on the way back I sang the tune "Oh what a friend we have in Jesus".
I hope my right to free speech didn't impose on his right to force Islam on people by proxy."

How pathetic, please grow up.

Posted by: ia786 at April 13, 2005 7:50 AM

ia~ There's a lot of kids in Israel who will never grow up, because Arafat and Co (islamists all! And using the Koran to back it) urged them to strap on bombs. That, I call pathetic.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=164&x_context=3

Posted by: Gary at April 13, 2005 7:55 AM

Hey Shukri,

Thanks for that Hijab link.Here's a small excerpt.

"This is why Muslim women cover thier heads:the Qu'ran unambigiously orders them to,and there is no qualifying text or hadith or even lexical possibility to show that the Qu'ranic order might mean anything besides obligation."

Here in the US and in the media also,we are continually lied to by muslim women who say that the hajib is optional and not manditory but the Quran reaveals thier blatant lies.

JLP

Posted by: John Lee Pedimore at April 13, 2005 11:26 AM

I'm sorry you feel such an overt display of religion was pathetic, Ia.

Nothing at all ostentatious about praying in the hallway of a restaurant, for example.

And as for Shukki, might I ask why Sura 9 "Repentence" is so widely known as the "Sura of the Sword"? It contains clear messages to kill; thus, it provides the necessary Quranic support for terrorism. Don't tell me you can't read.

Amusingly, I once had a muslima (not a terribly bright person, I must admit) tell me that Christians and Jews should start obeying the Old Testament more explicitly - that is to say, the passages dealing with killing non-believers (because she, as I, as Ia, as Shukki, as the whole world, basically, knows that Christians and Jews are explicitly NOT doing so) - in order to avoid hellfire. She said it was "best" for their salvation. To follow the Quran literally. She was on a Sunni site at the time and took the side of Sunnis; hence, most likely a Sunni herself. I guess there's more hate in Sunnism than one knew.

It was particularly funny how she didn't think she'd fit in the category of "non-believers" from the perspective of the other two 'Abrahamic' faiths. Very, very amusing.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 13, 2005 12:23 PM

Actually, Ia, why so hostile to a person extolling what a good friend to mankind Jesus was? Surely Jesus is revered in islam? =) Not so?

LOL

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 13, 2005 12:28 PM

How pathetic, please grow up.
I agree
not for the same reason
Pathetic for missing the chance to kick some butt

Posted by: shiva at April 13, 2005 11:21 PM

For the record,the narrow hallway was partially blocked and I had to step around the guy on his knees bowing and facing Mekkah,the look I got was of comtempt for daring to use a public washroom
during the prayer time of a Muslim.

This is exactly what's going on in Canadian Universities,Muslims are going out of their way to pray on school property in places like stairwells and hallways,this is then transfered
into a denial of rights for Muslim students to have a prayer room to exercise their right to practise Islam according to religious freedoms
in the Charter of Rights.

A CBC special on the plight of Muslims in schools featured this issue and actually exposed the students as washing their feet in public sinks that others use for brushing their teeth and washing their faces.
Just try touching a Quran with dirty hands and being a infidel,Muslims went nuts on the alleged act of US soldiers entering a Mosque(translation:weapons depot) in Iraq with boots on and touched a Quran and tore a page out.

Picture going into a restaurant and you get a
glimpse at the kitchen and you se a man washing his feet in the same sink they do the dishes in and wash their hands.
Muslims spend far too much time cleaning the exterior when the real problem is their interior,a clean heart pleases god more than clean feet.

Posted by: ala-sux at April 14, 2005 12:58 AM

Attention Shukri:

Name the source of this quote:

"After the forbidden months have passed, slay the infidels everywhere they are found, besiege them, capture them, set every strategem of warfare upon them..."

3 Guesses...

Posted by: pythagoras at April 14, 2005 11:36 PM

Pegcity, there really are cattle cars with shackles and holding pens under the Denver Airport.

You see, my job is to procure a brace of liberated lesbians and bring them down to a secret tunnel connecting Qom, Iran to Lynchburg, Virginia, to be stewed alive and served at a get-together the Falwells and Khatamis hold every Hallowe'en; and, boy, you ought to hear the beautiful B'rokhes the ghost of Meir Kahane delivers!

After all, we're all "fundamentalists", aren't we?

Posted by: Kepha at April 15, 2005 10:27 AM