Ramaz,

Shai'tan or Shaytan is singular; Shayateen is plural.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at April 19, 2005 1:44 PM

Don't worry moderate Islam and democracy will solve this.(SARCASM)

Posted by: RED at April 19, 2005 1:45 PM

Am I alone in seeing this brazeness as a good thing? (i.e.: the Guardian, the BBC, Ken Livingstone and all the other usual suspects can't go on denying what it's all about, or transferring blame.)

Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 19, 2005 2:45 PM

Every week or two I like to check the website of the Moslem Public Affairs Committee UK at http://www.mpacuk.org/
I like to read what the angry young bruvverz (and their browbeaten sisterz) are up to now. There has been much raving lately especially on the blog. They seem to be fighting a war on 2 fronts. First with Moslems they consider apathetic, because dey will not join der bruvverz (they write how they speak, it's English Jim, but not as we know it)in campaigns against MPs they dislike for various reasons. Such as support of the War in Iraq, support of Israel, not being Moslem enough (it's very internecine at times) being Jewish, wearing tasteful socks etc ad nauseam. Second with a bunch who claim it is haram to vote. Cos my sheik says so ! Yah boo and sucks to you too. That's the level of debate.
I would prefer them not to vote, obviously, I don't want them having any influence on the election, especially with the amount of effort going into securing the Islamic vote, by the 3 main parties.

There are 2 BBC pieces on this. Bear in mind that we take the Dhimmi Broadcasting Corporation with a pinch of salt, but there are photos. Take a look at their eyes !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4460565.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4461695.stm

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 19, 2005 2:50 PM

20 OR 30 MORE YEARS OF THIS AND PEOPLE WIL START TO GET FED UP

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 19, 2005 3:32 PM

"20 OR 30 MORE YEARS OF THIS AND PEOPLE WIL START TO GET FED UP"

We don´t have 20-30 years. Atleast not in Europe.

Posted by: TBH_1 at April 19, 2005 5:58 PM

They look like typically islamic madmen, not quite as foaming as Khomenei, but genuinely mad, bad, angry and hateful. They have mastered the trick of paralyzing the part of the brain which is host of critical thinking, by any means rational one.

Good they are atleast willing to report this - BBC. The pictures speak louder than their PC NEWSPEAK.

Posted by: TBH_1 at April 19, 2005 6:05 PM

I have jokingly suggested a "bull pen" for young males to be kept in until their testosterone levels come down to earth. This is a good idea for muslim youth.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 19, 2005 6:28 PM

So instead of concentrating on the fact that this news conference which represented 400 Muslim organizations in Britain was disrupted by a few hotheads, suddenly the hotheads become the mainstream representatives of Muslims?

There's some weird logic being used on this site. It's a pity that the Trivium is no longer being taught. People need it now more than ever.

Posted by: Shukri at April 19, 2005 7:04 PM

Shurki, I frankly wouldn't expect you to really understand the Trivium (and please, don't beg to Socratic learning; as a radical islamist, you roots are Platonic, and ultimately ignorant), so little connection with its powers you have. Your grammar seems passable, and you certainly have rhetoric down, but your comprehension of logic leaves much to be desired.

Who was it that said a two-legged stool cannot stand? No matter; wobble in place if you will. Besides having an excellent quadrivium (composing the sciences and mathematics, which you seem to lack), I, on the other hand, also have quite a nice stool. I invite you now to smell it.

Simply put, the simple repetition, ad nauseum, of key facts about islam that are mandated by its 'legal' systems and its holy texts (not to mention idiot posters who constantly make reference to Sacred Law, lacking any objective proof of their even more ignorant deity) are sufficient "evil unto the day thereof" to raise serious, endemic doubts about the nature of islamic belief. You, yourself, are an example of that.

Thankyou for your service to the site. Good examples of bad ideas are so very hard to find sometimes.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 19, 2005 8:34 PM

It becomes increasingly obvious that muslims in western countries don`t intend to integrate or in any way participate to the social life in the host-country,but their only wish is to subdue and islamize it.
They don`t want to vote,that`s fine,at least they will not have political power...but the best part of it is ,the british politicians will probably realize that if they cannot benefit from these fanatic muslims votes,there is no reason left to court them.

Posted by: adela at April 20, 2005 1:00 AM

Being a peace loving person ,it pains me to see this nonsense.As our politicians sit on there hands.I noticed at the top of one of the official candidate lists BNP,go on Mr sacrane justify why we should not be looking to protect ourselves from this vile cancer.I for one will be voting BNP.I am willing to take the side affects to stop the curse.There seems to me to be only one pill to cure this

Posted by: highlander1965 at April 20, 2005 3:00 AM

From yesterday's Telegraph:

A Liberal Democrat candidate resigned yesterday after being linked to a Muslim group accused of anti-Semitism.

Ajmal Masroor announced that he would no longer be standing for the Lib Dems in West Ham only hours after the party was asked why he had posted an appeal for support on the Muslim Public Affairs Committee website. At the weekend the MPAC apologised to Labour's Lorna Fitzsimons after distributing leaflets falsely describing her as Jewish.

Miss Fitzsimons is defending a 5,600 majority over the Lib Dems and she challenged Charles Kennedy's party to disown the tactics being used by the MPAC. Lord Rennard, the Lib Dem chief executive, said: "We totally disassociate ourselves from the MPAC. They have nothing to do with the Lib Dems."

In a statement yesterday afternoon Mr Masroor said: "I am standing down for personal reasons and I have called for statements I have made to be withdrawn from all websites."

Although the Lib Dems would not discuss Mr Masroor's resignation in any further detail, aides did not deny that he was forced to stand down by the party leadership.

Posted by: Silvester at April 20, 2005 7:28 AM

I once dated a muslim girl,her name was Nina Ali.She converted to christianity because she seen the siceare love i had for her and not a lie to keep her soulishly impoverished, i treated her with respect and dignity this was coupled with wisdom.These madmen would demand her killed.please let wisdom previal and stop this madness ban the muslim mad men

Posted by: highlander1965 at April 20, 2005 8:03 AM

Silvester
MPACUK are currently denying that this is anything to do with them and their home page today is:-
Press Release: Amjal Masroor Denies Telegraph Claims!
Press Release - 20/04/05 - This is to inform you that I have nothing to do with MPACUK and my reason for standing down should not be linked with anything but personal circumstances. To the best of my knowledge I don’t believe MPACUK is an extremist or anti Semitic organisation.

MPACUK COMMENT: The Telegraph, infamous for it's pro-Israeli stance, has (wrongly) claimed that the candidate for Lib-Dems (Ajmal Masroor) resigned due to MPACUK being slurred an 'extremist and anti-semitic' group. It seems members of the media who support Israel will do anything to marganilise a legitmate Muslim group.
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How much kitman and taqquia can you cram into one paragraph?

Meanwhile Gruesome George Galloway is in trouble again in my ancestral homeland. Despite seeking the Moslem vote by vilfying the Jewish current MP Oona King he now has a fatwa against him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4464461.stm

The BBC, being the DBC, don't say why, or who they are, but one cannot but draw similarities with the incident in Regents Park.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 20, 2005 11:29 AM

Going OT again (and OTT) I have been having a good look at the BBC election 2005 site today. Articles such as :-

 Climate of fear? British Asians say they lack trust in justice and fear victimisation (for Asian read Moslem btw)

 'Islamists' hit Galloway meeting

 Have Your Say Parties aim to attract Muslim vote

 In pictures Who will London’s Muslims vote for?

 Politics of fear – Bradford’s Asian voters lack trust in the justice system.

 US terror suspect up for election

I can’t see a single article on How will Hindus vote? Or about Greek Orthodox fears for future. Nor anything about the BNP. I don’t like the BNP (putting it mildly) but they have many candidates this time. Not just in the Inner City deprived areas, but also the suburbs, some leafy and quite prosperous. They must be newsworthy, even with a disapproving tone?

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 20, 2005 2:23 PM

Granny - nobody cares about the Hindu vote because they're not going to be our next overlords.

Notice the preponderance of the name Mohammed in the following stories:

http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/05/nvote105.xml

Labour activists had 'vote-rigging factory' to hijack postal votes
By Nick Britten
(Filed: 05/04/2005)

Beneath the veneer of an apparently democratic local election campaign the battle to control areas of Birmingham involved allegations of death threats, intimidation and bribery.

In scenes more reminiscent of a gangster movie, party members used nefarious tactics to ensure a clean sweep of the six available seats in Aston and Bordesley Green, delivering a large and surprising swing towards Labour.

The accused Aston candidates: Mohammed Islam, Muhammed Afzal and Mohammed Kazi

At the height of the skulduggery was a "vote-rigging factory" set up by Labour activists in Aston and run from a disused warehouse. There, the three candidates - Mohammed Islam, Muhammed Afzal and Mohammed Kazi, who maintained their innocence and described yesterday's judgment as a "dark day for democracy" - and their supporters altered bags stuffed with ballots to ensure that they were elected.

A midnight raid by police on the eve of the election found them sitting at a table with 275 unsealed postal votes scattered on a table in front of them. The find proved to be the tip of the iceberg.

They had collected the ballots in a variety of ways. The most common was to get hold of a copy of the electoral register, apply for a postal ballot in someone else's name and have it sent to a "safe" address where it could be picked up.

This could then be submitted with a forged signature and false witness confirmation, and the ballot could be accepted. Another method was to get activists to go door to door collecting papers, signed or unsigned, which could then be doctored.

http://telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/09/nfraud09.xml

Jail for Labour councillor who stole postal votes
(Filed: 09/04/2005)

A Labour councillor who stole postal votes in a local council election was jailed for three years and seven months yesterday.

Judge Peter Openshaw, who described the system as being "wide open to fraud", said: "The defendant has literally stolen votes."

Muhammed Hussain, 61, had arranged the collection of blank ballot papers posted to homes in the ward he was contesting in Blackburn, Lancs, Preston Crown Court was told.

Posted by: Silvester at April 20, 2005 5:24 PM

Silvester
I know, I spotted them in the news at the time. I'm glad someone else feels the story is significant. As you know Blackburn is Jack Straw's consituency and MPAC are organising against him there with some vitriol. Except this man is a labour councillor. It's beyond party, it's a culture of contempt.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 20, 2005 6:10 PM