If it's good for America, the ACLU is against it.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 9:42 AM

Finally some good news!

But a shame they didn't convince them to stay in Canada. Let the people of the 'Great White North', who just love 'refugeees' have some more.

And what exactly are these 'religious conferences'?

I hope they are properly monitored by people who know the language(s) being used.

Keep up the improving border work!

Islam is a self-declared intolerant global theocratic despotism, and the harder we make the 'soft invasion' of the U.S., by any of its adherents, the longer the Constitution will last.

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

Posted by: BigSleep at April 20, 2005 10:07 AM

The ACLU must have some kind of death wish when it comes to credibility, don't they.

Taking a "prinicipled" stand is well and good, but pairing up with an organization with a number of now former executive members charged with terrorism in protest against strict security measures isn't terribly swift.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 20, 2005 10:07 AM

When the Amish, Quakers, Buddhists, Catholics, Hindus, Mormons, Methodists, Baptists, Seventh Day Adventists, Wiccans, or Jehovah Witnesses start flying planes into skyscrpaers or detonating suicide bombs on American soil, then all people will be subject to the same appropriate scrutiny at the border. Until then I suggest all Muslim fifth columnists and their ACLU enablers should just STFU.

Posted by: omvi at April 20, 2005 10:11 AM

Would we ever see the ACLU defending people like Michael Abdemessih of manchester College, or Thomas Klocek of Chicago's De Paul University, or U.S.Citizen Christine Withers of Jackson Heights New York ---Don't hold your breath it could be dangerous!

Posted by: Mackie at April 20, 2005 10:54 AM

When I was a little swami, during ww2,I was fishing with my father on the Mare Island Channel, across from Mare Island Naval shipyard, when a car with three oriental men in dark suits drove up. They got out and started photographing the naval yard, and looking at it with binoculars. This went on for a while when suddenly two jeeps with six armed MP marines arrived , arrested them at gunpoint, loaded them into the jeeps and drove away. A while later a tow truck took the car.
WHERE WAS THE ACLU??? This was clearly racial profiling. Why these were probably just tourists enjoying the scenery. Clearly thier rights were violated. Just because we were at war with japan and these were orientals photographing a military instalation, is besides the point. Just because someone looks like the enemy and acts like the enemy is no reason to suspect them of anything or violate thier rights...I'm being sarcastic of course...I had to make that disclaimer lest I be mistaken for Barbara Boxer or some other liberal...haha swami

Posted by: duh_swami at April 20, 2005 10:55 AM

Swami-

The usual apologistic Islamic rejoiner to your anecdote is:

(while ignoring the validity of your essential point)

-but what about Timothy McVeigh! He was a white guy terrorist!

As if this should make us STOP looking for the ones who are MAINLY in the infiltration and terror biz?

LOOK for their causasoid/negroid/australoid/monogloid/etc. sympathizers ALSO, -is my reply.

GET THEM ALL.

And you ONLY do this by looking rationally. And, since 19 out of 19 hijacking terrorist murdering cowardly scum were MIDDLE-EASTERN, start there.

But DON'T overlook their fellow-travellers.

Posted by: BigSleep at April 20, 2005 11:22 AM

CAIR is getting awfully bold as they throw stones from their glass house.

Posted by: DCWatson at April 20, 2005 11:52 AM

DCWatson:

CAIR may in fact stung the wrong person.

Ann Coulter is on their INCITEMENT list.

Somehow I don't think she'll be silenced by CAIR. I hope she eats them alive!

I emailed her in case she didn't know.

Posted by: BillR at April 20, 2005 12:12 PM

Not to worry. Once we have deported all the muslims - revoking US citizenship where appropriate - we will leave them alone.

If they don't come back ...

islam, An ill wind that blows no good.

Posted by: Havoc at April 20, 2005 12:30 PM

"The American Civil Liberties Union and Council on American-Islamic Relations are teaming up today to decry what they see as a federal screening process that discriminates against Muslim Americans"

WorldNetDaily

April 7, 2005

The American Civil Liberties Union has asked a judge to hold a Louisiana school board in contempt because someone said a prayer over the PA system before a high-school baseball game.

Isn't it obvious?

The ACLU has an agenda.

They giving AID AND COMFORT to the greatest enemy America has ever had in history.

Article. VII of the constitution of the United States of America:

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America {This is what CAIR and the ACLU are attacking.

The Lord that the founding fathers of America is referring here to - is the Son of God.

The Son of God is an abomination to Islam:

009.030 The Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; in this they but imitate what ''THE UNBELIEVERS'' of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them how they are deluded away from the Truth!

The command for ALL Muslims is:

047.004 Therefore, when ye meet ''THE UNBELIEVERS'' in fight SMITE AT THEIR NECKS.

Behead them!

008.067 It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war [slay them] until he hath thoroughly subdued the land.

TREASON!

The ACLU is giving AID AND COMFORT to an enemy of America.

They are thoroughly VIOLATING the Constitution of the United States of America - a crime that they keep accusing others [mainly Christians] of.

Article. IV. Section. 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Article. III. Section. 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Two Witnesses?

How many of us can see - that the ACLU is clearly commiting TREASON here in the U.S.?

Are there at least 2 of us?

Posted by: Beth at April 20, 2005 12:44 PM

Big sleep...Your right terrorists come in all shades of colors and can change them like a chamelion. However, if it's known that a gray alien terrorist with a knife is terrifying a community, and I see a gray alien with a knife comming toward me, guess what Im going to do...Im going to turn tail and run like hell...if I can find a girl scout , I'll hide behind her...maybe a comnservative will come by and rescue me, most conservatives can handle a gray alien with a knife...I'm just kidding...get them all is right....have a good day...swami

Posted by: duh_swami at April 20, 2005 12:45 PM

Read about the founders of the ACLU.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/stokjok/Founders.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 1:43 PM

Another link, read the part about forcing school kids to attend sensitivity training. Brainwashing 101.

http://www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 1:48 PM

If you have never watched "Brainwashing 101" take a few minutes and watch it.

http://academicbias.com/bw101-wmv.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 1:51 PM

The 45 min video lets the academic left off too easy but still no surprises. Enjoyable little video.

Thx

Posted by: Cross at April 20, 2005 3:39 PM

.."if their houses were burning, the White Firemen wouldn't hose them down".

What are you complaining about? I've seen the old films of the blacks getting hosed down.

"America will never make the entire Moslem World its bitch as it has done with Blacks, Japs, Irish, and Indians in the past".

So what you are saying is that you are a black bitch?

Posted by: Cross at April 20, 2005 4:00 PM

Ramaz...

you said...

"They giving AID AND COMFORT to the greatest enemy America has ever had in history." - Beth

Hmm, the same could be said for a lot of predecessors. Since America is mostly White, the "Greatest Enemy In History" is always the anti-thesis to White, the Black.

What does any of that have to do with these present times?

Those people are dead and gone. There is a Final Judgment - No?

As for white or black [or any other color]? There is NO SUCH THING in my plea to put a stop to the continued disrespect for the Constitution of the United States of America being carried out by the ACLU and CAIR.

And there are many Indians [who are not extinct] who agree!

you said...

Both Christians and Moslems claim that theirs is the only true Religion, and both parties want to convert each other. Since there is no room for mutual dialogue ever, this War On Terror will last for decades.

Then let the Muslims have Mecca - and let the Americans have America - No?

you said....

The core argument of most people on these boards is that ALL MOSLEMS ARE BAD because of the actions of 19 who hijacked planes.

you see, Ramaz... THAT'S JUST IT!!!!!

My point is not that Muslims are bad. My point is that their allah is wicked - VERY VERY VERY WICKED!!!

And this is why:

004.101 When ye travel through the earth , there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.

open enemies?

008.067 It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war [slay them] until he hath thoroughly subdued the land.

Theft, murder - and TREASON!

047.004 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers in fight [jihad], smite at their necks. [Behead them!]

That is a VERY VERY VERY WICKED thing to do - don't you agree Ramaz?

The Lord of the New Testament condemns such a wicked act.

and so do I - I don't want that teaching to be handed down to the children of America

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

The same goes for nations

Posted by: Beth at April 20, 2005 4:10 PM

Ramaz, I don't have anything against anyone that doesn't want to end my way of life. And your quote- "Not necessarily. You most likely have never been discriminated against solely on the basis of the color of your skin" is not necessarily true anymore. The American culture is currently ridiculing just about anything that white people do. It is seen as uncool and hokey. Most black people think that if you are white, you are a weakling or afraid. And BTW... I am Irish so I do know about the "Irish need not apply" signs that were prevailant in the early 20th century. I will embrace any who want to defend the western way of life.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 6:00 PM

Well, one of my Jewish friends is, in fact, kind of "swarthy". Certainly not all Jewish people are; there's a lot of Askennasim out there who are blonder than me, but there are some that are "swarthy" Also, many Mediterraneans are "swarthy". What's wrong with that? And where the hell is Ann Coulter making any such statement about Africans, or African-Americans, even, especially using the "n-word"? What the hell are you on about?

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 20, 2005 6:03 PM

And, incidentally, where in hell does she call people of African ancestry a "sub-species"??? Come to think of it, do you even know what a subspecies is?

Geoff

"Now with 35% more populational coalescence"

Posted by: Geoff at April 20, 2005 6:04 PM

Ramaz, I would hardly call Ann Coulter the model conservative. She laughingly calls herself right of Attila the Hun, I think.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 6:11 PM

AND while I'm at it...I'm blonde. Do you know how many blonde jokes I've had to endure? People joke about it, but a lot of them are serious.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 6:18 PM

^prevalent^

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 6:59 PM

Before World War I, U.S. General "Blackjack" Pershing put down an Islamic insurgent movement in the Philippines by having 50 captured Islamic fundamentalist terrorist tied to posts for execution by firing squad. In full view of all 50, Pershing had his men slaughter two pigs. Pershing's men next dipped their bullets in the pigs blood, making sure the horrified terrorists watched. Blackjack's men shot 49 of these terrorists, dumped their bodies in a common grave and covered them with pig parts. The 50th terrorist was let go.
After this, it took 42 more years before there was another serious Islamic terrorist incident in the Philippines.
Above related by writer Hal Lindsey

BUT YOU HAVE TO LOVE MEN LIKE THIS GENERAL!!!

AND THIS ONE TOO!!
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050420/ap_on_en_mo/fonda_spitter
Mo. Man Spits Tobacco Juice on Jane Fonda

Smith, a Vietnam veteran, told The Kansas City Star Wednesday that Fonda was a "traitor" and that her protests against the Vietnam War were unforgivable. He said he doesn't chew tobacco but did so Tuesday solely to spit juice on the actress.
"I consider it a debt of honor," he told The Star for a story on its Web site. "She spit in our faces for 37 years. It was absolutely worth it. There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050420/ap_on_re_us/oil_for_food_investigation
AP: Oil-For-Food Investigators Resign

UNITED NATIONS _ - Two senior investigators with the committee probing corruption in the U.N. oil-for-food program have resigned in protest, saying they believe a report that cleared Kofi Annan of meddling in the $64 billion operation was too soft on the secretary-general, a panel member confirmed Wednesday.

WELL WELL WELL???

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BELSS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at April 20, 2005 8:10 PM

Ann Coulter may not be a "model conservative," but one thing is for sure--she loves this country. Can we say the same for the ACLU and the CAIR?

Furthermore, while Ms. Coulter can be abrasive and is certainly controversial, she backs up her opinions with reliable evidence. In contrast, CAIR twists events and falsifies historical facts to fit their agenda. Ms. Coulter has a way of bringing to light certain facts which have been swept under the rug by the politically correct and the timid. I imagine that she is flattered to be listed on CAIR's web site in their Incitement category. Those of us who know what's what wouldn't want to see our names on the list of CAIR's friends.

Finally, I am sick and tired of the ACLU's pandering to and defense of those who desire the downfall of our country--during a war, no less. Check the definition of treason.

Posted by: WatchfulEye at April 20, 2005 8:18 PM

BTW, I like Ann Coulter, she can get the point over with humor. She certainly isn't mealy mouthed.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 8:43 PM

I think most people will agree the Qur'anic passage "slay the infidels everywhere they are found...." is the ultimate discrimination.

Yet nowhere is the ACLU acting to protect non-Muslims' rights (to stay alive even!!). The ACLU is therefore acting in behalf of Islamic jihadists at the expense of the US citizenry. I think it is fair to state that the ACLU is committing treason by taking such a stance and acting on it.

I see no reason not to prosecute the ACLU for treason.

As for CAIR, we already KNOW they're a terrorist organization linked to al-Qaeda. Why these folks are still permitted to be free and walking around US territory is a mystery to me...

Posted by: pythagoras at April 20, 2005 9:14 PM

RAMAZ:

Islam is 'bad' because 1-)it is designed to slaughter human beings and 2-)it has slaughtered hundreds of millions of people across the world over the past 13 centuries without reason, remorse, or provocation. This is what Islam does--kill people. Much the way that the religions of the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas did in pre-Columbian America. Islam evolved from the Middle East's ancient human sacrifice cults and cannot escape its origins. No matter what you say to us here.

Islamic ideology is not capable of goodness in the sense that you wish us to perceive it because Al-lah and Islam are diametrically OPPOSED IN EVERY WAY to the concept of goodness as is understood in the democtratic west or Christianity. Islam exists only to enforce a deity's orders using all force necessary. There is no room for anything else in it, let alone a sense of 'goodness.'

Posted by: pythagoras at April 20, 2005 9:23 PM

Being a Canadian I followed this event and the
border issue by hypersensitive/paranoid Muslims that expected to exempt from the rules that everyone else is expected to follow at Points Of Entry to the USA.

The claims by CAIR and the ACLU are based on overt lies about the real purpose of the Reviving Islam hatefest that was held on December 24,25,and the 26th. The newspaper article I read
confirmed that this was another Christian-Bashing event and the role of Jesus in the Quran was one of the themes in a workshop.
Tariq Ramadan was one of the speakers and "Racial profiling" was mentioned in the context of a post-911 era,this was the first conference and the ACLU makes it sound as if this
was a bias security check just for being Muslims.

Just research the whole story and you'll see
how Anne Coulter was fairly correct to depict some Arabs and Muslims as liars,Taqiyya is the art of misleading your enemy until the assurance of a victory can be made during an attack.
The Quran allows Muslims to lie in the Cause of Allah's Jihad to rule the world,and the local officials were duped into giving a speech about Racism against Muslims. The arrogance from the Muslims crossing the border raised the red-flags
and demanded further probing since Canada is a haven for fake Pasports and Al-Qaeda friedly
Muslim families.

Posted by: ala-sux at April 20, 2005 9:28 PM

To Carolyn2 (and to anyone else who got the wrong idea from my post about Ann Coulter):

I admire her greatly and have read all of her books and most of her weekly articles. I also happen to agree with her most of the time because "she tells it like it is." She is an outspoken patriot!

Posted by: WatchfulEye at April 20, 2005 9:52 PM

The following website The Religion of Peace keeps updating a running list of terrorist attacks committed by determined Muslims since 9/11/01.

At the bottom of that site's Main Page it states:

From 9/11/01 to 4/13/05 there have been more than 2076 major Islamic terrorist attacks involving loss of life noted on this site. By our count, the number of attacks that CAIR has acknowledged and condemned is 6.

Posted by: miira at April 20, 2005 10:23 PM

WatchfulEye, I understood what you were saying. I was afraid everyone would think I was trying to distance myself from Ann Coulter when I wrote
" I would hardly call Ann Coulter the model conservative. She laughingly calls herself right of Attila the Hun, I think." I have never heard her say the things that Ramaz claims. If she did, I didn't hear it.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 10:35 PM

Ramaz,
I have on hand the Time Magazine to which you refer. If you read closely, you'll see that, typical of Time Magazine, there is editorializing and interpretation mixed in with or widely separated within the news article. I venture to say that, many times, the interviewee's comments are edited and taken out of context. If you read further down in the column on page 35, you'll note this: "Coulter says profiling makes sense when Muslims have committed virtually all the terrorist attacks against American for the past 25 years--she begins a terrorism timeline in her latest book with Iranian militants taking Americans hostage in Tehran in 1979..."

Remember this: the 19 9/11 hijackers to which you refer are not the only Muslims to wage an attack. Note miira's post!

Furthermore, if you become familiar with Ms. Coulter's writings, you'll learn that her tone is sometimes tongue-in-cheek. She sometimes attacks inane views and policies by assuming the opposite extreme. Ms. Coulter may rub you the wrong way, but outspoken people always irk some readers or listeners. The important thing is to listen to the other view and to think about it.

I would also like to refer you to John McWhorter's book "Losing the Race : Self-sabotage in Black America." Sometimes a BOLO (Be On the Look Out for) IS racial profiling. Law enforcement gets a suspect's description and uses it; whenever possible, officers should not waste time looking at everybody.

Posted by: WatchfulEye at April 20, 2005 11:13 PM

Cry me a river, CAIR!

Posted by: Jakester at April 20, 2005 11:15 PM

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 20, 2005 01:51 PM

Gold Star for you !!

You gotta love Evan and his balls exposing them all over gotta love the brain!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunetr
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND AND FIGHT THIS EVIL AMEN

PS
Ann is a hero to some and a wetdream for others!!

Posted by: Catherine at April 21, 2005 12:07 AM

The ACLU is probably the most dangerous organization that is currently functioning in the US, a lot more dangerous than CAIR,for it has the financing,the means and the know-how,the mainstream media,and the political and Hollywood left as allies.
The only way to fight this communist monster is to cut its taxpayers money financing,by pressing our politicians to abolish Title 42 and.

Posted by: adela at April 21, 2005 12:17 AM

While I despise the ACLU, see its current alliance with CAIR as part of the red-green unholy alliance, and think that some other legal organization that respects ALL of the Bill of Rights (including the Free Exercise Clause's applicability to Protestants) would be more than welcome, I CANNOT agree with racial profiling--and here take issue with Ms. Coulter, whom I normally respect.

After being stopped and searched, Dr. Mehmet Caner, the bald, bearded, Baptist theologian of Turkish Muslim origins, once jocularly stated that it was, after all, people who looked like him who were making trouble. But, what if the same flight had been boarded by a John Walker Lindh, John Mohammed, Hassan Akbar, or Richard Reid? How far is a sandy-haired "Anglo-Saxon" guy like Ibrahim Hooper from the dangerous goons? And, aren't there scads of Middle Easterners (and not just Israeli Ashkenazim and Turks) who look North or Central European? Further, a lot of Moro, Indonesian, and Malay Muslims (should these be among the badmashes recruited to bomb a plane) would be indistinguishable from Thais, Khmers, Viets, Kadazans, or Christian Filipinos. You can't tell the typical Hui from the typical Han Chinese (and, for that matter, I suspect that most Hui in the USA are pretty grateful for a home far away from the Communists).

I agree that you can probably get away with some negative profiling--i.e., forget about little old ladies who are of obviously non-Muslim backgrounds, regardless of race. But we see an active effort by the terrorists to recruit non-Mideasterners, as well as a willingness to put explosives in the carry-ons of their North European-descended girlfriends. Further, if we were to chiefly check "swarthies", we'd probably end up stopping scads of Maronites, Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians, Mizrahi Jews, Sicilians, Hindus, and even Hispanic Presbyterians.

We also have, among people with names like Aziz, Hassan, Ali, and the like (as opposed to folks named Budros, Bulus, and Antun--which are Pete, Paul,and Tony in Arabic), a defection from Islam going on in the immigrant communities of the USA. In a generation or two, we're probably going to have a bunch of swarthy "WASP" folks running around, too--including the type contemptuously called "trailer trash" in certain circles who go to college on monies granted as a benefit for having carried arms for the country.

Also, before the 1990's and 9/11, how much trouble did people of Middle Eastern origin make for the USA? Not much. Frankly, while I'm a dyed-in-the-wool theocon who usually passes for Euro-descended white, I think that racial profiling is idiotic, and reflects an unhealthy preoccupation with appearance rather than character or belief.

Duh_Swami, I agree the fellows you saw arrested by the MPs may well have been rightly arrested. Yet, I recall when working an archive in the Midwest, coming on a goodly stack of documents from INS and FBI regarding persons of German, Austiran, Italian, Slovak, Hungarian, and Rumanian origins whom WWII caught unnaturalized. In 95% of these cases, the file ended with "No threat to the USA" or "Generally loyal to the USA". Had a similar consideration been given the West Coast Japanese, we'd have been saved a lot of money in compensation later, and the ravages of Oily Earl Warren's guilty liberal conscience in the ensuing decades. Today, profiling is probably reducing the numbers of potential informers and witnesses against the goons drastically.

Posted by: Kepha at April 21, 2005 12:27 AM

Ramaz "Japs"? "Japs?"...Thats world war two talk. Your not one of these old soldiers who's been living in a cave for fifty years and don't know the wars over, are you?

Kapha. Wartime hysteria is just that. Hysterical people (and governments)do hysterical stuff. Thats not an excuse for abuses but it is a reason for them. There are few saints around, almost everyone is guilty of something, one wrong does not justify another. Govs are the enemies of humanity, if you dont believe that, count the dead bodies. Islam wants to establish world wide theocratic gov. Religions using the elements of fear, hysteria and guilt, have tormented humanity for eons. The combination of religion and gov has been most egregious. When the Catholic Church had it's power sway in Europe, look what happened. When Christianity became the law of the land, the whole place fell into the dark ages. The Church robbed, tortured and murdered people for 500 years and got away with it, untill the reformation. The worse thing that could happen to a person, back then, was to be put under the "permanent protection of the Church". That meant that you got to live in a dungeon and get tortured every day till you died. Shades of the Taliban...Well, the Church no longer conducts itself like that but Islam does. And while I consider the Internment of American Japanese citzens an abuse and a serious issue, that was then and this is now. The idea that "if it looks like the enemy, sounds like the enemy and acts like the enemy"..."it probably is the enemy", is prevelent in wartime hysteria. You can expect more of the same and you can expect it to intensify...thats not an advocacy, just an observation and prediction...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 21, 2005 1:13 PM

duh_swami

you said...

"When Christianity became the law of the land, the whole place fell into the dark ages"

Is the Vatican Christianity? Was it ever?

They walk around calling each other 'Father'

Mat 23:9 Call no man your father

''''upon the earth'''' :

for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Such a simple command - from the Lord that they claim to represent - and they refused.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Is that really so hard to understand? for this world?

I guess so.

The New Testament IS Christianity. Without it - there is NO Christianity.

Try to convince humans to use violence against each other - using nothing but New Testament Scriptures.

Try it.

It can not be done - because there are no such commands. Quite the contrary.

The Word of God is all we have - to destroy Islam.

You will NEVER reach the Muslims with your own words.

But you will get their attention with the Word of God.

A Word that has been unfairly accused since the beginning of time.

Mic 6:3 O my people, what have I done unto thee? and wherein have I wearied thee? Testify against Me.

Go ahead - use the New Testament - to testify against God.

It can not be done.

But it can be done - to testify against allah - who viciously breaks every 'humanitarian' law this world claims to uphold.

Like it or not - allah has challenged the Truth.

Let the battle begin

Zec 8:16 These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates.

Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

You can begin with the fact that allah - who claims to be "Wise, and All knowing" ...FORGOT to mention Palestine - thereby proving - he is NOT as wise and all knowing as he claims himself to be.

What kind of sense does it make to SLAUGHTER in 'the cause of allah' if he can't prove himself?

There are MANY who are not seeing the significance of these points....but then again... there are those who do understand

the power of the message.

Posted by: Beth at April 21, 2005 3:25 PM