Muslims de-humanized like Jews before WWII

Ludicrious!

No sense of proportion, no sense of perspective, no sense of history...!

Like all those pathetic morons comparing the Iraq war to Hitler's Czech invasion or comparing Bush (or Sharon) to Hitler...

How long does this pathetic game of deception and doublespeak continue? We need an online poll amongst the general population to find out how many really think mussis today are as ill treated in any western country as the jews were in WWII Europe...

Posted by: voletti at April 24, 2005 8:55 AM

First off i dont think it was the Jews that where forcing the Germans to convert to the Hebrew religion that caused the Nazis to deport and kill Jews....how some slimy, scumbag lawyer can even dare to compare what happened to some Islamic terrorists being held in prison{gee, maybe they couldnt pray 5 times a day, didnt get halal foods, etc.} to what the Nazis did to the Jews{Extermination}..than again thats what the Muslims want to do to the Jews themselves.....hypocrites, both the lawyers and the Muslim world...they belong together i say...send em all back to the Middle east

Posted by: THANOS35 at April 24, 2005 9:16 AM

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"Today, it seems like the whole world is against the Muslim people"

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This man, like so many other useful idiots, has it completely the wrong way around. It is the Muslim people who are against the whole world, not the world against Muslims.

Too many foolish people in the world today.

Posted by: Zico at April 24, 2005 9:53 AM

Shouldn't that read "Muslims still dehumanize Jews like the Nazis did before and during WWII"???

On another note: how did they come to pay this scumbag 140,000 Aussie Dollars? We need to fight more strongly against these left-wing media outfits that attempt to brainwash us all the time.

Posted by: disillusionised_german at April 24, 2005 10:01 AM

This attempt to deflect critical scrutiny from Islam, which is a set of ideas that can be identified, studied, analyzed, and their effects on the adherents seen in a long history, and to hide the aggressiveness of Islam itself, by attemtping to appropriate, as so much else has been appropriated, the real victimization of others, is transparent.

It is a theme of Mosque Outreach sessions, where some plausible speaker will tell a "Muslim-Jewish Dialogue Group" that "we Muslims are the new Jews." Really? Is it part of Judaism to insist that everyone in the world is born Jewish, and only falls away accidentally, to require that the entire world accept Judaism (far from it: one of the misleading charges against Judaism was that it is "exclusive" when in fact it is happy to admit those who wish to convert, but there is no vast campaign of Jewish Da'wa). If the Jews were inoffensive victims of what developed from what some might regard as a market-share problem (Christians had to distinguish their faith from an earlier one, and naturally had to say some negative things about that earlier one, or its adherents, especially as the "market" consisted originally of Jews), Islam was from the first an aggressive element, intimately linked to physical conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims, and taking as its central figure a man who was a military leader, a man who ordered attacks on peaceful tribes to for the sake of booty, watched approvingly as captives were beheaded, ordered or greeted with satisfaction the assassination of those who had offended him (even if the offense consisted of mocking verses).

There has been no vilifaction of Muslims. Far from it. The entire Western world has been bending over backwards for decades not to see anthing menacing about Islam, not to be outraged at the continuing persecution of non-Muslims in every Muslim land where they still, unhappily, may live -- from the genocide in the Sudan, to the mass-murders in Indonesia, to the attacks on churches and groups of Christians in northern Nigeria (which prompted, in 1967, the Biafra War which, as Col. Ojukwu properly declared, was a war of defense against a "Jihad"), to the attacks on Hindu villagers in Kashmir, Bangladesh, and Pakistan, to the attacks on Buddhists in Thailand and where there remain pockets of them elsewhere (in the Chittagong HIlls of Bangladesh).

It is despite the Western world's refusal to see the problem (was it only yesterday, a year or two ago, that Western reporters began to investigate the content of Saudi textbooks and sermons? And do they think that these textbooks and sermons were different five years ago? 10? 20? 50 years ago?), that many in the West have, despite the strong tug not to believe (because, stupidly, so many Muslims have already been allowed into that Western world), despite the efforts to convince themselves that something called a "major religion" cannot be at the tiime a geopolitical menace, despite the continuing belief that Islam itself is not the source of the ills but that only those practicing some fringe, perverted form of Islam ("tiny handful of extremists" which then became "the Wahhabis" or sometimes the "Salafists" -- anythinmg at all, but mainstream Islam itself) are the problem.

Antisemitism is a pathological mental condition, which has to do with the internal desarroi of those who suffer from it, whether in full-blown form or form fruste. It has, in history, been encouraged by many in power, at certain times and places, for reasons of their own. In Adolf Hitler's case, his reason for encouraging antisemitism was not to deflect criticism, not to find someone to blame for things, but because he was a True Believer, a convinced antisemite himself.

Those who today manage to study Islam, to connect the dots between attacks in the southern Sudan with attacks in northern Nigeria with attacks in the Moluccas, with bombs thrown at churches in Baghdad and Christian merchants killed in Basra, with murders of Coptic priests in Upper Egypt, and the mass-murders of Maronite villagers in Damur and other villages in Lebanon, with attacks on Buddhists in Thailand and Hindus (from those required to wear identifiable yellow clothing in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan, to those beaten to death in Bangladesh, or murdered in Kashmir), do so not because they are whipped up, not becuase they suffer from some mental condition -- but because they are the sanest members of Western society, who refuse to be fooled, who will not accept the nonsense about a "religion" of "peace" and "tolerance," and who piercingly see right through the nonsense and lies we have been fred by our leaders, including those in Europe responsible for the disastrous immigration policies of the last 30 years, about Islam -- nonsense and lies that, in many places, are promoted by local hirelings of Arab Muslim interests, including journalists, academics, former diplomats and intelligence agents, all of them recycling petrodollars for their own advantage -- and meanwhile, promoting or protecting a building menace that threatens the peoples, and civilizations, to which they falsely claim loyalty.

Posted by: Hugh at April 24, 2005 10:19 AM

I guess this lawyer sees a future for himself "defending" Muslim "rights". No wonder some us are sometimes tempted to "kill all the lawyers".

From talking to people in Australia (where I live), I tend to get a sense of disgust with the whole multiculturalism project. Seems the only people who support are precisely those government workers and grant organizations that stand to gain from it. Everyone else seems to be able to see it for the crock that it is. Given the increasing Muslim conotation of the term, it's my fellow European immigrants who tend to agree most readily about the problem of Islam, and seem least afraid to say so (ie, Greeks, Italians, ex Yugoslavs).

(However, from the women I talk to, I get a distinct feeling that they aret still generally well behind the eight ball in realizing Islam for what it is. As we know, truth and feelings don't always mix well.)

Posted by: spect8or at April 24, 2005 10:46 AM

"Muslims in Australia suffer vilification comparable to that directed towards Jews under the Nazis"

But I thought the Holocaust never happened?

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 24, 2005 11:27 AM

Lets reverse the statement to say jews being dehumanized like jews before world war 2.

Posted by: Pegcity at April 24, 2005 11:28 AM

So the only people in the world who are not Nazi's are muslims. I have noticed an increase of people walking with the "goose step", but I didn't assosciate it with muslim hating. Dont you think thats just a little "too" coincidental? It's all starting to come together now...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 24, 2005 11:31 AM

i think somewhere along the line some Nazi elements seaped into the left wing after world war 2. How else could you explain the idiotic rantings of liberals and the left wing media, how are unable to differentiate between friend and enemey.

Foxnews for all its bashed at least tells the truth about terrorism calling them terrorists not the liberal bullshit militants.

Posted by: Pegcity at April 24, 2005 11:33 AM

"It is believed Mr Habib sacked Mr Hopper because he was upset with the tax that would be charged on $140,000 paid to Mr Habib by current affairs program 60 Minutes as payment for telling his story."

If this story is true, if the news program 60 Minutes paid $140,000 -- or $140 -- to this Mr. Habib, then CBS has some explaining to do, and needs to promise never ever to pay anything for a news story again. And most of all, never to pay someone like Mr. Habib.

This is of far greater moment than any other sins or false documents for which CBS has previously been embarrassed

The audience for 60 minutes should express its outrage. And it should go further. It should tell all the advertisers for 60 Minutes that viewers of 60 Minutes, the very audience that they hope to win over, by advertising on 60 Minutes, will in fact take a pledge -- not to turn the channel, but to carefully note down every business and brand that advertises on 60 Minutes, and will do whatever that particular viewer can to boycott the product, to encourage others to do so -- and to bring 60 Minutes to its institutional senses.

"Kiyafa" -- "Enough" -- is what the handful of
Cairenes cry out to protest the stratokleptocracy of Mubarak cry out .

Basta, ca suffit, nam nadoelo, we are all collectively fed up with journalists, news programs with their careful omission and bias (have you seen The New Duranty Times report on the Hamas killing of a woman out with her fiance?), eager for their absurd little exclusives and trivial scoops (an exclusive story with Habib -- so what?), which we now discover are bought-and-paid-for to the advantage of our mortal enemies.

We cannot, much as we would like to, rid that or other programs of this or that egregious example of viciousness or stupidity (Bob Simon comes to mind -- he was decent only for a few weeks after his release from brief Iraqi captivity, and then reverted to type; Peter Jennings should of course receive the same consideration for his disease that he offered his dying senior colleague in his own special, Peter-Jennings way -- but that is another story). But we can punish the advertisers, and that, in turn, can get the attention of Moonves and company.

Enough of this money paid to those who menace us.

Posted by: Hugh at April 24, 2005 11:40 AM

From http://kafirnation.com FAQ?
Arent you doing what the Nazis did to the jews? - Posted By: KAOSKTRL On: 4/20/2005

I wish it were ,
But the Jews were vilified and lied about.
Islam has provided irrefutable proof of Islams plans and goals in there “holy writing” .
If you don’t know this, study what Islam provides as guidance so Muslims know what makes a good Muslim
and what Islam expect from them .I recommend the Quran and Al Sira .Islam is a criminal organization that tells Muslims to lie kill and steal for the great reward in the next life.
You dont believe it ?
Your disbelief has no bearing on the irrefutable facts provided in the Quran and hadith.
In any case the Nazis and the Muslims were allies

http://www.trebach.org/mideast/GrandM...

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 24, 2005 11:42 AM

Actually, the correct analogy would be the way the Australians (and Allies in general)dehumanized the aggressor "Japs" as "monkey men" during WW II.

You mock your enemy to keep up morale.

Especially when you feel very threatened. (And until the Battle of Midway, the war could have gone in favor of the Imperial Army and Navy of Japan.)

But I see almost no examples of this 'anti-Muslim' stuff in the U.S., where p.c. rules,

The Muslim threat is glibly ignored, put into vague terms "terrorists" (and not "Islamic fanatics"), and always given a mea culpa ("it's really a religion of peace").

Speak truth to lunacy.

If they don't like it, they can go rotate on the Ka'aba in Mecca.

And leave the civilized world to those who can handle it.

Posted by: BigSleep at April 24, 2005 1:44 PM

Appropriation of victimhood...again Hugh gives us an important idea. And there is a compelling tendency in Islam to appropriate any value, any idea, any principle, that is viewed, for one reason or another, to contribute to the superiority of the belief system. So, the Qur'an is the most beautiful, the most scientific, the most of everything: all knowlegde moral, scientific or whatever, comes from the Qur'an. And, of course, Islam is the most of everything, and Western civilization owes everything to Islam. Everyone is really a Muslim, at least originally, etc.

So, Muslims, are also the most persecuted and deserving of sympathy and acceptance (which, of course, should not stop there); Muslims are 'better than the Jews' on that score, as if some kind of moral equation is appropriate for human suffering and the utter horror of the Holocaust. How revolting...

The Qur'an, of course, and Muhammad are exemplars for ad hoc appropriation: Muhammad is the last prophet who both supercedes and confirms all doctrines, prophecies, revelations, or whatever, from Christianity and Judaism: and the account of how this all comes together is presented in a fantastic, piecemeal rationalization, a bizarre collection of religious beliefs, a primitive jigsaw puzzle of pieces that do not fit: Jesus was born to a virgin; he was not the messiah; he was a prophet, and Muhammad confirms and elaborates on what he said (like turn the other cheek and judge not lest you are judged), and all the Jewish prophets were correct, but they are in fact Muslim and belong more to Islamic tradition than to Judaism, even though Jews continue to read these prophets in the original language, and Muhammad demonstrates not even cursory knowledge of what the Torah says; but it doesn't matter because the Qur'an and the prophet says it all and more. It is the answer of all answers, to which everyone must utterly and completely submit, or else be burned in hell for all eternity.

Appropriation, and more appropriation: everything must belong to us, Muslims, because Islam is the best, the last, the only true revelation and faith.

How can educated people tolerate this kind of nonsense, and the morally sick comparison between Muslim victimhood and the Holocaust, which only lays bare for all to see how morally deprived these souls truly are?

Posted by: JTF at April 24, 2005 2:38 PM

JTF-

As noted elsewhere, the second line in the Koran must read:

"Blame the victim."

And the third line is likely:

"Steal their underdog status for tactical use."

Posted by: BigSleep at April 24, 2005 3:41 PM

In the spirit of Ali Sina's analysis that Islam manifests itself as a pathology in most believers, I propose the following as an aspect of that patholoy:

IAS: Islamic Appropriation Syndrome.

Posted by: JTF at April 24, 2005 6:48 PM

JTF-

Or:

A.D.H.D. (NOT Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder but:)

Allah's Dysfunctionally Heartless Dipsh*ts.

Posted by: BigSleep at April 24, 2005 7:59 PM

Maybe it's time for "Hebrewophobia" workshop in public schools just like the Muslim demand,this way Muslims will be more tolerant and they could even visit a Jewish Synagogue to show
their acceptance of pluralism from the Quran.

Oops,what was I thinking,these are Muslims,the career victims that volunteer to be offended
and then sue anyone that doesn't agree with the Quran.

Posted by: ala-sux at April 24, 2005 8:09 PM

muslims Are not human. That's why we call them muslims.

Posted by: Havoc at April 24, 2005 9:47 PM

I am not a psychiatrist but I believe Stephen Hopper and his Moslem friends are "projecting." They probably realize that if the good natured live and let live westerners really knew what the devout Moslems intended for the infidel or the dhimmi, then in that event, westerners might call for Moslems to be treated like the Jews were treated by the Nazis. The motivation for Westerners to treat Moslems like the Nazis treated Jews in that event would be for very different reasons. But the Moslem psychologically is projecting that what the westerner has done, the western might do again if sufficiently provoked. It is the psychological realization that what one oneself is doing may have certain adverse consequences that may be hopeful. Such insight can be a healthy realization for a psychopath if the psychopath is under professional care and if the psychopath can be shown that the consequences he projects may be a dream fulfillment of how others react to his antisocial behavior.

I am not very hopeful that the Moslem can be psycologically treated. The west has two alternatives: (1) prepare to pay jizya and perhaps change your lifestyle or (2) confront the Moslems.

Posted by: David England at April 24, 2005 9:57 PM

I live in Australia and I notice a distinct lack of patience or sympathy towards Muslims. I am referring to the average Aussie, not the chardonnay-sipping, multiculti-leeching, PeeCee-addled minority. There were some pretty strident letters to the editor recently after some cleric said they were going to go ahead with sharia divorce court regardless of what the federal govt has said. The writers were not tolerant of his beligerent attitude, and most writers displayed a good knowledge of what Islam was really about. It was quite heartening to read.

Hopper proclaiming they are the new Jews, just makes us dislike Muslims even more. We know what he is saying is absolute rot. What he doesn't seem to understand is that Aussies dislike anybody, no matter what ethnic or cultural group, who goes around whinging about being hard done by, or wanting special privileges or protection. We've had a gutful of their troublemaking. A gutful of their vile treatment of women in Sydney, and their disgusting attitudes after the trials. A gutful of things like separate swimming times for Muslim women (at a Shepparton, Victoria pool), and removing ham sandwiches from some council meetings, and the threat to Christmas celebrations. So telling us you're persecuted means you think we're a bunch of mugs. Wrong move, Hopper!

I saw Hopper being questioned on TV once about whether he was Muslim or not. He evaded the question very slimily. Which means he is.

As for Habib, if that's his reason for firing the slime, Habib's an even bigger slime. Reckons he can leech off the Aussie taxpayer collecting a disability pension while swanning around jihadi territory, and then not pay tax on his interview payment? Typical parasite attitude. Another thing we've had a gutful of.

Posted by: feralee at April 25, 2005 1:34 AM

Hitler was a big-league fan of Islamic ideology and got many of his ideas for exterminating the Jews from the Qur'an. And today Hitler is a hero in the Islamic nations and'Mein kempf' is a major best seller. And the Jews continue to be targeted by Muslims for extermination.

So it's time the rest of the world returned the favor...

Poetic justice, perhaps??

Posted by: pythagoras at April 25, 2005 1:40 PM

Re Terrorist Habib & Mr Hopper

Dont waste any time on their blatherings they are after all nothing more than a self confessed Muslim and a paid Liar/ Apologist for a self confessed Muslim (by definition a LIAR)

A Liar and a Liars Liar.

Strewth, I am shaking in my boots.

Yours faithfully,
RSole.

Posted by: RSole at April 25, 2005 2:25 PM

Da da da da da DAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Also Remember Mr Hopper is a lawyer he is PAID to do or say anything he is requested to do by his client.
Unless he is a very rare exception he would have been paid in advance by Terrorist Habibs financiers before he commenced to "dance" with Satan.

As they say whats the difference between a Muslim Terrorist and a Lawyer ?

There are some things a Muslim Terrorist WONT DO.

I could not help myself Sorry.
Yours faithfully,
RSole

Posted by: RSole at April 25, 2005 2:35 PM