EVERYONE! AM I EVER EXCITED ABOUT THIS!

Take a good hard look at the new splash graphic in the upper left of the Jihad Watch entry page!

The graphic is hot and has a web of links to interesting and informative web sites.

Would anyone here be willing to put your money where your mouth is for a second or more billboard? I sure as hell am willing!

It's a real opportunity to piss of CAIR and I personally relish the thought.

Let the masses of the uneducated become educated about what's really going on in the United States!

IN YOUR FACE CAIR!!!!

Posted by: BillR at May 2, 2005 12:17 PM

Awesome
Where in LA?
I would love to see it for myself.
Do you think CAIR- LA will protest?
I hope so...

Posted by: Bar at May 2, 2005 12:18 PM

Nice!

2 things to be wary of:
1. The billboard maybe defaced. this is waht happened to the "Thank You Hollywood for helping bush win" billboard putup near Hollywood, CA where a nazi swastika was painted over Bush's forehead.
2. Big media may finally start paying attention - negative attention that is. Am extrapolating from the experience of the swift boat vets. When the MSM resolutely ignored them, they went on air with TV ads and then the big media was forced to respond. That response was vicious, to put it mildly.
Of course, neither of these 2 may happen and that would be good.

Posted by: voletti at May 2, 2005 12:18 PM

Watch and see how long it takes CAIR to attack this billboard!

This is our first real offensive and it needs to be supported!

SEE MY PREVIOUS POST!

Posted by: BillR at May 2, 2005 12:20 PM

CAIR will have a hard time explaining why the billboard is offensive.

Deface it? Probably, but that in itself says something about their concerns over being exposed for who they are and how they work.

More importantly in can bring a new word into everday American conversation, a word that CAIR will work very hard to discredit!

Let them try! It's a first step and an important one!

Posted by: BillR at May 2, 2005 12:35 PM

I have several friends in LA, and will ask them to watch for it.

Posted by: Gary at May 2, 2005 1:16 PM

Mr Spencer
This LA based Jihad Watcher would be more than happy to photograph this historical event. West Hollywierd here I come....

Gary, add one more to your list....

Posted by: Bar at May 2, 2005 1:43 PM

I agree with BillR, and would be willing to donate towards a billboard say in the Chicagoland area. (Or any where else , it's just that I would like to see more awareness in my own area) I can see it now just off I90 or I94........

Is there a way to organize as a group where each person could contribute towards more billboards according to there abilities.

I have no idea what it would cost to rent a board for a couple of weeks but I am sure that there are enough readers here that we should be able to do something in maijor cities .

Posted by: balticbabe at May 2, 2005 1:56 PM

I don't normally go that far along Sunset (I use Santa Monica Blvd, less traffic) but I will make an effort to go along that way this evening and report when I get home. It will depend what way the billboard is facing as I will be heading east so I might miss it. This could be interesting.

Posted by: ReligionOfPeaceMyArse at May 2, 2005 1:59 PM

Hi everyone,
I have been posting here and FFI for quite a while. You may know someone called Shiva. Well this guy has been following me around and is saying some really offensive things to me. I have kindly asked him to stop however he doesn’t want any of it. I am a moderate Muslim and I am against terrorism, I am against the extreme elements in Islam. I would appreciate it if the people here could tell Shiva to calm down and be more responsible.

.................................................

Shiva you have used offensive language against me, you did it here a while back and I asked you to apologise, other people here condemned you. However you didn't apologise. The people here can visit, the site below:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8371&start=1440

They can see the hatred you have for me. I have stated many times that I am a moderate Muslim against Extreme Islam yet you look the other way when I say this.

Shiva wrote in the FFI forum:

"muzi
If you dont like my comment muzi thats your problem for choosing to be a muslim."

He goes on to state that he will stop calling me a Muzi if I denounce Islam and renounce slandering Ali Sina and Robert Spencer (I have never slandered, used inappropriate language or attacked them, I merely question the things Robert Spencer posts). Shiva you are a fanatic.

Shiva goes on to say he wants me to denounce Islam on Islamic Forums and he wants me to post the links on FFI, only then he will stop calling me a 'muzi'

Shiva wrote:
"denounce Islam on as many Islamic forums as possible,and post the links here.Then I will drop the term MUZI and will show respect."

.................................................

I am getting a bit tired of this. Can the people here please tell him to stop this name calling, he might listen to you. I understand he has every right to this opinion of his, however I have had enough of this name calling.

Thank you for reading this.

Posted by: ia786 at May 2, 2005 2:03 PM

A billboard on I-95 near the DC area would be a great idea as it's the heaviest travelled road on the East coast and perhaps, just maybe, some of the politicians with their heads in the sand will learn something.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at May 2, 2005 2:24 PM

Too bad the Los Angeles bulletin board isn't right alongside one of those channel 62 bulletin boards proclaiming that Los Angeles is no longer a city in California, but rather now a Mexican city.

Posted by: PRCS at May 2, 2005 2:26 PM

I notice that you have Jihadwatch.org.

Shouldn't it be www.Jihadwatch.org?

Posted by: Voltaire at May 2, 2005 2:28 PM

Voltaire,

Either one gets you to the site.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at May 2, 2005 2:31 PM

I am...wordless. What a coup!

Posted by: sonofwalker at May 2, 2005 2:54 PM

This is a very, very good thing to read. Let us hope there will be more bill boards to come. ;)

Posted by: Nordthiad at May 2, 2005 3:02 PM

I've asked Robert if he can set up a payment account at Pay Pal or some other on line payment method as well as a PO box for checks.

If that doesn't work we'll find another method, but we have to MAKE something happen here!

What say guys? I'm up for it! Are you?

Stand up and be counted!

Posted by: BillR at May 2, 2005 3:05 PM

ia786,

Stop whining and buck up. To solve your problem you need to ignore Shiva, otherwise you will just encourage him/her to continue. In short: Engage or ignore.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at May 2, 2005 3:06 PM

This is a big step towards getting the LA Liberals (possible name for their new NBA team?) to at least visit your site. One would hope they read the sidebar-intro before condemning the site after picking out an errant comment by a drive-by-poster (as is often the manner in which LGF is frequently slimed).

Once they start reading the contents, they will know (and hopefully accept and acknowledge) the truth... as I did. Before reading this site I was a mere "Moderate Muslim"; I chose to ignore the uncomfortable truths that I knew. I chose to rationalize events and their connection to Islam using the "tiny minority of extremists" & the "not the true Islam" arguments, etc.

But with Mr. Spencer's and Mr. Fitzgerald's clear understanding of Islamic history and the explnation of its relevance to the present day, my eyes have opened. Wide. No more denial. No more excuses. We "Moderate Muslims" must, as RS says, repudiate and disown those parts of Islam that are responsible for the "misunderstanders' " "opportunistic bombings".

Posted by: Jsingleton at May 2, 2005 3:13 PM

OK EVERYONE!

Donations to the cause can be made on the left side of the main home page.

If I can cough up twenty-five bucks from my meager income you can too!

I really want to #@ck CAIR over!

Posted by: BillR at May 2, 2005 3:27 PM

GOOD FOR YOU!
I hope it elevates people's attention.
It would be great to get some West Coast interested people to help watch. Most of anti-terror researchers seem to be on East Coast.

For any West Coast readers - an FYI regarding emergency news - see the following web sites:

Los Angeles Emergency, Preparedness, and Web Sites
http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/la-emergency.htm

General West Coast Emergency Info
http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/western-emergency-preparedness.htm

Western USA - Terrorism News
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/western-terror/

Posted by: jeffreyimm at May 2, 2005 3:47 PM

"A billboard on I-95 near the DC area would be a great idea as it's the heaviest travelled road on the East coast and perhaps, just maybe, some of the politicians with their heads in the sand will learn something."

And a big AMEN to that from Washington DC reader...

Posted by: jeffreyimm at May 2, 2005 3:49 PM

Just made my donation, this is something that we can all do to get the message out. We can still leave leaflets in waiting rooms where ever we go, and write letters to the editor. We need to put up billboards all across the country.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 2, 2005 4:13 PM

Firstly I am happy to see roberts efforts are bearing fruit.
Good to see a lot of new posters.

Concerning the complaint about my behaviour over at FFI
I will not change my stance towards the person and his co-religionist who came here whining.
This is the same person who came and his first word where Hi my hate filled brothers and sisters
Then moved over to FFI and claimed he was the Lion of God and Saladin rides again.
Robert has already pointed out in an earlier post about this person.
He has been exposed as a liar both here and FFI

Posted by: shiva at May 2, 2005 4:25 PM

ia786;

I have responded to your accusation against me on the May 1st 'UK Police...' thread.

Apologies to everyone else for being OT.

Kc

Posted by: kc England at May 2, 2005 4:32 PM

shiva:

Glad to see you got over the bitterness
and anger issues,the new you is so mush more
passive and open-minded.

Ya right.

Posted by: ala-sux at May 2, 2005 4:35 PM

Shiva:

Since your a "moderate" Muslim (whatever that is) you should be willing to donate to the cause.

Step right up and contribute as a way of strikng back at your radical tormentors.

We would thank you for your support!

Posted by: BillR at May 2, 2005 5:06 PM

Whoa, anti-Islamic hate goes mainstream...hmmm...

Posted by: Shukri at May 2, 2005 5:39 PM

Shukri~ The neo-nazi movements wants You.
*Image of Baker pointing out of a poster*

See next thread.

Posted by: Gary at May 2, 2005 5:45 PM

Oh Dear, 'ia786'

To quote that popular British football song;

"You're not singing anymore.."

Maybe you should check out your unfounded accusations before you post them.

Regards,
Kc

Posted by: kc England at May 2, 2005 5:49 PM

Shukri:

Since your a "moderate" Muslim (whatever that is) you should be willing to donate to the cause.

Step right up and contribute as a way of strikng back at your radical tormentors.

We would thank you for your support!

Posted by: BillR at May 2, 2005 5:52 PM

Billboard is fantastic!!! However - is there anyone in "Gollywood" who will be able to comprehend it?
Likewise a billboard in DC seems a good idea - but DC is a lost cause. Any politician who might see/heed it - would instantly be labeled a "reactionary fanatical religious homophobic misogynous racist nut" - a.k.a. by the leftists an islamofacist? No - that's what the leftists are starting to use to describe their enemy -the Christian. Then the American communist "lawyers" union would join with c.a.i.r. in filing law suits with the 9th circuit court of appeals - presided over by "chief justice" Hall (the daughter of good ol' all-American communist party leader - Gus Hall) denying the right to free speech of anyone who is not a "minoirty" in the USA - and have the billboards torn down - and replaced with save the "p.l.o." billboards.
I'll still donate anyway. A billborad in "Northern Virginiastan" could help - although dhimmis are now almost outnumbered by the practioners of the "religion of peace" (i think most of it-along with the inhabitants has been sold to those benevolent oil barrons).

Posted by: Polygraphovic at May 2, 2005 6:38 PM

It will be real intereting to see if the sign company will be willing to hang this sign
a couple of shruken heads in the mail flat tires and death threats have a way of changing minds

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at May 2, 2005 6:39 PM

Very interesting article at

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/451

Is Grover Norquist a muslim?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 2, 2005 6:49 PM

Congratulations! I want to see MANY billboards in all major cities!

1a786: You still didn't answer my question: What's in it for muslim women? What has Mohammed in store for them in Muslim heaven? Are they to watch their husbands frolick with 72 houris and 24 boys and do they get footmassages or a hairdoo?

I really want to know!

Just in case you intend to throw another tantrum here's the music:
http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/winds_of_jihad.html

Posted by: Terminator at May 2, 2005 7:29 PM

Congratulations! I want to see MANY billboards in all major cities!

1a786: You still didn't answer my question: What's in it for muslim women? What has Mohammed in store for them in Muslim heaven? Are they to watch their husbands frolick with 72 houris and 24 boys and do they get footmassages or a hairdoo?

I really want to know!

Just in case you intend to throw another tantrum here's the music:
http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/winds_of_jihad.html

Posted by: Terminator at May 2, 2005 7:30 PM

I think the Billboard is a great thing but Californicators are focused on Mexican illegals and Mexicans in general right now. If Ca. was being overrun by arabs or muslims they would take notice, but this is a start.

Half of the population are too liberal and concerned only with themselves and the environment to take time out to understand what Bat Yeor and Eurabia is about and the other half are Mexican and are oblivious to muslims and arabs and most can’t read English and if they did could not careless or relate to anything happening in Europe.

It’s a start and hopefully it will spread like a Santa Ana Wildfire. There will be thousands of Californians that are Republican and conservative that will take notice of the sign and tune in.

PS: If you want some immediate action and response, put up another Billboard in West Hollywood saying islam and muslims hates fags and you will have hordes of sexual progressives picketing and protesting every mosque within 50 miles. Not to mention guaranteed media coverage.

Posted by: Cross at May 2, 2005 7:51 PM

Wow! Let me just say that I am very proud of JW today. God Willing this will be a turning point in the lonely good fight.

Three cheers for Mr.Spencer and the Benefactor!!!

I would love to see a similar billboard on the New Jersey turnpike right where it goes through Jersey City. Unfortunatly the hole in the skyline is not enough of a reminder to some folks.

I would also like to congradulate my cousin who is receiving his infantry officer's commision this month.

Posted by: sonofliberty at May 2, 2005 7:54 PM

Cross:

"It’s a start and hopefully it will spread like a Santa Ana Wildfire. There will be thousands of Californians that are Republican and conservative that will take notice of the sign and tune in."

Yeah! I'm one of them. I love the billboard! Great job Mr.Spencer and the mysterious Benefactor!

Is there a way to donate via check or money order? I'd like to give $25 to help put up more billboards.

Posted by: Freedom1 at May 2, 2005 8:05 PM

Freedom, if you use Amazon.com, you can just click on the link on the left sidebar, under the PayPal link.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 2, 2005 8:22 PM

Thanks!

Posted by: Freedom1 at May 2, 2005 8:29 PM

If the billboard is defaced, or the sign company vandalized, we'll know which religion of peace is guilty.

I hope it's up high off the ground. Then maybe we can take bets on which Muslims with slippery feet trying to vandalize the sign plunge into the dirt below.

Posted by: Prickzilla at May 2, 2005 8:37 PM

ia786,

The drip of arrogance has coagulated upon the corner of your mouth and is now coalescing into the trite vapor of one being abused.

How typical.

Posted by: Skeet Street at May 2, 2005 8:42 PM

The billboard should be put under 24/7 video
surveillance. I'm sure it will be attacked by
either Muslims or their sympathizers. Catching
them in the act will be helpful in suing the
potential culprits. Or better yet, point
a web cam at it so we can watch it too !

Posted by: sococm at May 2, 2005 8:51 PM

Video surveillance of the billboard is a great idea, Sococm.

Posted by: Freedom1 at May 2, 2005 8:56 PM

A worthy and NECESSARY CAUSE !!

I'm in !!!

Where do I send my check ?

Posted by: Excaliber at May 2, 2005 8:56 PM

I'm in for $100.

But can we put one here please.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3935358

Great idea, let's see if JW's traffic increases...

Posted by: khamr at May 2, 2005 8:56 PM

Looks like the Phillipinos are taking the lead .
"someone is saying -ENOUGH "

http://news.inq7.net/regions/index.php?index=1&story_id=35346

Posted by: Excaliber at May 2, 2005 9:05 PM

How about a really gnarly Qur'anic verse or three.

Pick a few that'll truly grab the average, uniformed commuter's attention. Use one on the first billboard, another on the second....

And they should be timely. Maybe something that absolutely refutes, in a manner intended to embarrass, the recent public statements of Islamic apologists, Hollywood celebrities, or newscasters.

And make sure they're verses which require no other verses to substantiate their intention. And, of course, they should be verses which can stand the 'context' test. And they should be verses which no Islamic 'scholar' can question, and for which there is no later abrogating document or decision.

And print 'em in big letters!

And maybe include a picture of some poor woman being stoned to death, or hung.

Make it loud! Make an impact!

Posted by: PRCS at May 2, 2005 9:08 PM

Dear PCRS:

Actually an early draft of the billboard did feature a woman being stoned to death. It was decided to save that for a possible later initiative.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at May 2, 2005 9:19 PM

I'll contribute for another billboard too. This is wonderful news! I'd like to see one on Spaghetti Junction in Atlanta. I agree that Washington, D.C. should be the next billboard site.

Posted by: Susanp at May 2, 2005 9:51 PM

Whoa, anti-Islamic hate goes mainstream...hmmm...

Posted by: Shukri at May 2, 2005 05:39 PM

Not hate Shukri, self-defense. You didn't think you could hide all of Islam's dark, dirty secrets forever, did you? Even the dumbest of the dumb are beginning to see a vague connection between Islam and world terrorism. I feel sure that the daily heinous atrocities committed by jihadists, who invoke the name of allah as they murder and maim, will encourage the naysayers to clearly focus on the obvious.

And by the way, what's so bad about anti-Islamic hate? Islam teaches muslims to hate everybody and everything that isn't "Islamic." What the hell is the difference? The one notable contrast between us and you is that we, or some of us, hate the ideology, not its followers. We don't teach our children to hate you. Can you say the same thing?

Posted by: Susanp at May 2, 2005 10:10 PM

Robert,

I think that you might want to use something short and likely to catch a lot of interest. Most people do not know what dhimmitude is.

Something like "Jihadwatch.com - Know Your Enemy", or "Jihadwatch.com - Know Jihad.", with the jihadwatch.com in big letters, the other stuff underneath. Maybe a scimitar in the background.

Perhaps you want to spell it JihadWatch.com, with emphasis on capitals so that people will identify the two words better, and web browsers are case insensitive. i.e. typing JihadWatch.com will still get you jihadwatch.

i.e.
JihadWatch.com Know Your Enemy!

---

Oh, and commenters, if you are bored, stop by at my blog. I have two recent posts up, one with comments about the engineering mindset and Islamic terrorism. The last post is about parsing the holy books of Islam to condense their message into basic fundamentals, so that we may defeat it. I would appreciate any help and insight I can get.

islamophobe.blogspot.com

Posted by: Rational Islamophobe at May 2, 2005 10:18 PM

For some reason that didn't come out the way it was supposed to.

The i.e. bit was supposed to be

JihadWatch.com
Know Your Enemy!

The top is supposed to be somewhat bigger than the bottom. I got these ideas from the book Guerilla Marketing, which have served me very effectively. Flyer design is essentially the same as poster design. For example, look at a campus billboard to understand what I'm talking about. See what stands out from a distance.

The essense of your objective is to get interested citizens to remember jihadwatch.com and plug it into their browser when they get home. Thus it must have jihadwatch.com in the title, it should be large, and there must be something that generates enough of an emotional response for your ad to burn into their memory. That's it.

I question whether dhimmitude, Bat Ye'or (or even Eurabia) has passed into common parlance enough for your ad to be as effective as it could be. I'm more familiar with Jihad than 99.9% of the public and yet I couldn't tell you who Bat Ye'or is.

But all the same, better than nothing.

Posted by: Rational Islamophobe at May 2, 2005 10:27 PM

BillR

Shiva:
Since your a "moderate" Muslim (whatever that is)you should be willing to donate to the cause.
IT,s breakfast time here so let me finish my bacon and eggs before I respond
Seriously that was a rather funny comment considering my previuos post on this site.
As for making a donation to the cause,whatever cash I have is being used here in Indonesia helping victims of Islam and some other un islamic actions.

Posted by: shiva at May 2, 2005 10:45 PM

Thanks Freedom1

Posted by: Cross at May 2, 2005 11:20 PM

Please check this link for humor. I believe the good folks at CAIR would witout a doubt absolutely love this site.

http://www.jackshiles.com/Muslim_Humor/muslim-joke-14.html

Posted by: Prickzilla at May 2, 2005 11:24 PM

This is fantastic news! I'd be thrilled to see billboards from East to West, all across this country. Little by little, more and more people will be informed.

Posted by: Marine Mom at May 2, 2005 11:34 PM

Sorry Robert,

I didn't read the piece on your benefactor. If he wanted to include those words, then so be it. I hope for both your sakes his advertisement is effective as possible.

Posted by: Rational Islamophobe at May 2, 2005 11:36 PM

Yea, this billboard deal is excellent! Since this will piss off CAIR count me in for two donations. Right on, I am glad to see this happening.

Posted by: Truth at May 3, 2005 12:15 AM

Not hate Shukri, self-defense.

"Self defense" is to unjustly vilify religion? Wow...

You didn't think you could hide all of Islam's dark, dirty secrets forever, did you?

Islam is open and in the eye of the beholder. Those who have diseased eyes see a tinted world wherever they look.

Even the dumbest of the dumb are beginning to see a vague connection between Islam and world terrorism.

I have to agree with you. Only the dumbest of the dumb can see Islam as motivating terrorism when it is clear to every analyzer of terrorist attacks that the foreign policies of certain nations are the motivating factor.

I feel sure that the daily heinous atrocities committed by jihadists, who invoke the name of allah as they murder and maim, will encourage the naysayers to clearly focus on the obvious.

What of these who murder and maim?

And by the way, what's so bad about anti-Islamic hate? Islam teaches muslims to hate everybody and everything that isn't "Islamic."

We don't hate people. We hate the sins of people and wish to eliminate those sins since sins are a cause of the destruction and loss of mankind. "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is a very Islamic concept.

The one notable contrast between us and you is that we, or some of us, hate the ideology, not its followers.

With the virulent hate filled rants against Muslims on this site and others such as LGF, I can hardly credit your statement.

Posted by: Shukri at May 3, 2005 1:32 AM

" "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is a very Islamic concept."

Yes, love the sinner, but let's kill him anyway.

You're probably a real nice guy, Shukri. Why don't you become a Christian? Or better yet, a humanist. But at least as a Christian you have a leading man who actually practised the virtues of love that you, Shukri, seem to attach importance to. Absolutely unlike that murderous maniac you call your Prophet. The funny thing is the greatest likelihood is there's no God anyway, so none of this 'true religion' crap even matters -- I wonder how much "love" that sentiment would elicit in the Islamic world, eh Shuks?

Posted by: spect8or at May 3, 2005 2:53 AM

Shuggi: You never answeer my questions. Why?

You are just as good as Al Waleed, (remember the Saudi 'prince') who wanted to give Giuliani a cheque for ten million a few days after 9/11 if, ' if only'- the 'root causes of terrorism were addressed'-

Shuggi: All the land from Persia to Iraq, from Syria to Aegypt from Tunis to Moroccco has been overrun by 'your people'- you have wiped out the rightful owners, you have wiped out their culture and nearly everything that remained of it, and you are telling us the 'root causes of terror' is tiny, tiny Israel? Get real! Jews wouldn't harm a fly if muzzie-jihad would leave them alone! And tell me Shuggi: Which nation is more deserving and has faught harder for a homeland than the Jews, who have worked miracles making the desert green, in-spite of fighting 4 wars and 2 'intifadahs'-?? And why are your falistine brothers not welcome in Syria, Jordan, Aegypt, Lebanon and all those places where they were born?
I think you'll find the answer in your dirty book, the Qu'ran: KillKIll Kill. kill infidels, kill Jews, take booty, rape torture etc. etc. ad nauseum.....

Posted by: Terminator at May 3, 2005 5:13 AM

The Beverly Hills Bolsheviks will have a fit!!

Posted by: Infidel One at May 3, 2005 5:44 AM

Islam doesn't motivate terrorism ....Islam IS terrorism .
Even though there are 1.2 billion cultists ....they will go down .
Proof ?

Just look as they dance in each others blood in Iraq , and dance in the blood of others ,round the globe .
No there is no other conclusion , nor any other fate that befits islam than its ultimate destruction .
This war has already started and we are just in the beginning .
Islam will continue to perpetrate terror and heinous acts on the inhabitants of this planet, until it finally evokes the inevitable and deadly backlash .

It will wish it had remained in its own backward world ,wallowing in its own blood .......now others will put an end to it . The frenzy of blood used against each other has split onto the rest of the world ,and eventually the rest of the world will react in the only language islam understands .
Take note of Davao ,Phillipines -it is a harbinger of what is to come .
Islam will cause much suffering , as it has over the millenia and as it will in its final death throes -----so be it .

Posted by: Excaliber at May 3, 2005 7:12 AM

Robert Fisk? you do know that we have the Fisk award don't you Shukri? He is a traitor to his own people. A true dhimmi, no wonder you like him.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 3, 2005 11:00 AM

Shukri, an exegesis of Islam simply exposes its unpleasant and vile doctrine. That is not vilification, it is truth. It's hard to vilify something that is inherently evil.

The "dumb" people I referred to are those who refuse to see or admit the correlation between Islam and terrorism. The connection is axiomatic to anyone with half a brain.

Islam abhors those who do not believe, and this is reiterated numerous times throughout the Qur'an. I won't bother quoting dozens of suras to verfiy my statement. I'm sure you know them well.

As a Christian, I find most of Islam's dogma to be utterly profane, sinful, and very threatening to non-muslims. It took me years, but I finally figured out how muslims justify the rationale of Islam and its totalitarian, megalomaniacal, savage, primitive dogma. Muslims cannot and will never engage in sincere interfaith dialogue because Islam forbids it. It's very simple: Islam is an archaic, bellicose, unyielding, imperialistic predator that seeks to undo almost fifteen hundred years of human achievement and replace modern civilization with medieval desolation. We cannot allow that.

Take a long, hard look at Islamic countries. Or maybe you already have, and that's why you live in America. Why would you want to turn America into a cesspool of despair, poverty, fear, religious fanaticism and retrogression? Islam is anathema to progress, prosperity, freedom, love, beauty, and joy. You can have it; we don't want it. And I believe God would agree, at least my God would.

Posted by: Susanp at May 3, 2005 12:34 PM

We sent in our $25 a few minutes ago; our income is meager too, BillR, (members of the ROFI Club--Retired On Fixed Income Club), but if enough of us give small amounts, we may have the pleasure of seeing billboards popping up in all our favorite places!

Posted by: cubed at May 3, 2005 2:57 PM

P.S.

Please don't forget about leaving cards around with useful websites on them, including a descriptive sentence or two about what they are about.

Leave them on bus seats, store counters, restaurant tables, public toilet facilities, park benches. . .you get the idea.

They may not be billboards, but if the information comes from multiple sources, big or little, it'll have a cumulative impact.

P.P.S.

Susanp, if you can get it, I know you'd get a lot of pleasure (to say nothing of knowledge) out of "Islam and the Psychology of the Musulman" by Andre Servier. He wrote it to try to warn his countrymen about Islam (obviously it didn't work). It was published in 1924, prior to the PC era, and tells it like it is (in a sort of old fashioned language), and pulls very few punches.

For your reading pleasure, and as a "teaser," here is a partial description of the contents of Chapter One, as printed on the "Contents" page:

". . .Islam is nothing but a secretion of the Arab brain--There is no such thing as Arab civilization--The origins of the legend--How modern historians and the scholars of the Middle Ages were deceived--The Arab is a realist and has no imagniation--He has copied the ideas of other poepoles, distorting them in the process--Islam, by its immutable dogmas, has parlysed the brain and killed all initiative."

Posted by: cubed at May 3, 2005 3:15 PM

P.S.

Please don't forget about leaving cards around with useful websites on them, including a descriptive sentence or two about what they are about.

Leave them on bus seats, store counters, restaurant tables, public toilet facilities, park benches. . .you get the idea.

They may not be billboards, but if the information comes from multiple sources, big or little, it'll have a cumulative impact.

P.P.S.

Susanp, if you can get it, I know you'd get a lot of pleasure (to say nothing of knowledge) out of "Islam and the Psychology of the Musulman" by Andre Servier. He wrote it to try to warn his countrymen about Islam (obviously it didn't work). It was published in 1924, prior to the PC era, and tells it like it is (in a sort of old fashioned language), and pulls very few punches.

For your reading pleasure, and as a "teaser," here is a partial description of the contents of Chapter One, as printed on the "Contents" page:

". . .Islam is nothing but a secretion of the Arab brain--There is no such thing as Arab civilization--The origins of the legend--How modern historians and the scholars of the Middle Ages were deceived--The Arab is a realist and has no imagniation--He has copied the ideas of other poepoles, distorting them in the process--Islam, by its immutable dogmas, has parlysed the brain and killed all initiative."

Posted by: cubed at May 3, 2005 3:17 PM

"Not hate Shukri, self-defense"
Shurki: Self defense" is to unjustly vilify religion? Wow...

Well, yes, it is - it's in the Quran, actually. All of Sura 9, parts of Sura 5, and some of the hadiths.

"Islam is open and in the eye of the beholder. Those who have diseased eyes see a tinted world wherever they look."

Although islam isn't really "open" by any means - the holy books being written in Arabic, and any translation immediately being described as "unreliable" when it fails to support da'wa - I do agree with Shurki that those who see the world through islamic eyes see a tinted world (maybe even a diseased one) wherever they look.

"it is clear to every analyzer of terrorist attacks that the foreign policies of certain nations are the motivating factor."

Somewhat true - certain nations meaning "islamic ones". Almost all of them, actually. And why is this so? What connects these nations? Well, islam.

Another poster: Islam teaches muslims to hate everybody and everything that isn't "Islamic."
Shurki: "We don't hate people. We hate the sins of people and wish to eliminate those sins since sins are a cause of the destruction and loss of mankind. "Love the sinner, hate the sin" is a very Islamic concept."

Actually, it's a Christian one, not an islamic one. There is little or no differentiation in the Quran between sinners and their sins - in fact, it is routinely emphasized that sinners are to be destroyed and hated, "not made friends of". I'm not sure whether to call this da'wa or merely a lie, as the two appear to be interchangeable in many cases. However, islam does indeed hate "sinners" and "non-believers"; punishments for being either in islam often include death (based on Sura 9 and the like). Again, we would like to believe the above, but given the nature and amount of da'wa being used by the poster, it is not really credible.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at May 3, 2005 3:31 PM

You're probably a real nice guy, Shukri. Why don't you become a Christian?

Because I do not believe it is reasonable to suppose that a human being is God neither can I reasonably believe that The Divine needs to die for the sins of man.

In the Islamic understanding, man is born pure and is not responsible for the sin of anyone else. Also in the Islamic understanding, Adam begged forgiveness from God and was forgiven his sin. It makes much more sense to me and I have not found anything in Islam that does not make sense.

Or better yet, a humanist.

I am already a humanist.

But at least as a Christian you have a leading man who actually practised the virtues of love that you, Shukri, seem to attach importance to

I understand from this that you are implying that the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of God be upon him, somehow did not have qualities of love. In this, I can only put this down to your ignorance of the life of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and the apparent fact that you are getting information about him from his enemies, which is hardly a fair thing to do to anybody.

Absolutely unlike that ... you call your Prophet.

See above

The funny thing is the greatest likelihood is there's no God anyway

Actually, as demonstrated by the famous atheist who recently concluded that there is a creator of some sort, the greatest likelihood is that there is a God. At least say you don't know, since one cannot prove that God does not exist.

You never answeer my questions. Why?

Terminator, sorry I didn't see a question of yours that was addressed to me in this thread. If it was in another thread, then you'll have to forgive me. I am actually extremely busy and with the pace of posts on this site, it is difficult to reply to posts on previous threads.

All the land from Persia to Iraq, from Syria to Aegypt from Tunis to Moroccco has been overrun by 'your people'- you have wiped out the rightful owners,

Terminator, all of those lands pretty much have the descendants of the original inhabitants. To my knowledge, there is no case where Muslims institutionally wiped out the rightful owners of a land in order to take over.

and you are telling us the 'root causes of terror' is tiny, tiny Israel?

Terminator, tiny tiny Israel has created over a million Palestinian refugees. Lest we forget, the West Bank and Gaza are primarily refugee camps of Palestinians whose original land is in what is now called the State of Israel. The overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews are foreigners from outside Israel/Palestine.

Which nation is more deserving and has faught harder for a homeland than the Jews, who have worked miracles making the desert green, in-spite of fighting 4 wars and 2 'intifadahs'

Terminator, lest we forget, the Jews were seeking a homeland only to escape the anti-Semitism of European Christians. However, the issue is not how hard they fought for a homeland. The issue is rather that they have illegally displaced others from their homes in order to create their homeland. Injustice is not solved by the victims perpetrating injustices. Both the Israeli's and Al-Qaeda need to figure that out.

Robert Fisk? you do know that we have the Fisk award don't you Shukri? He is a traitor to his own people. A true dhimmi, no wonder you like him.

Carolyn2, Why is he a traitor? Because he points out inconvenient facts? Either way, I was not pointing to his journalism, rather to the photos on the site of the victims of aggression.

The "dumb" people I referred to are those who refuse to see or admit the correlation between Islam and terrorism. The connection is axiomatic to anyone with half a brain.

Susan, please provide me with a terrorist attack, just one, where the perpetrators allege that Islam is the sole motive. Also, why do the "terrorists" constantly demand the withdrawal of foreign troops rather than demand that everyone convert to Islam?

Islam abhors those who do not believe, and this is reiterated numerous times throughout the Qur'an.

To deny and disbelieve in God, who has blessed us with all of the blessings that we take for granted, is the height of aggression and injustice. Those who believe in God will, in reality, always be superior to those who disbelieve.

And I believe God would agree, at least my God would.

God is the Lord of all and not the personal property of anyone.

More later...

Peace.

Posted by: Shukri at May 3, 2005 8:15 PM

Islam abhorrs everyone and everything that is not islam ----especially Jews ,especially Israel .

In your face you liar Shukri , save your sanctimonious religious bullshit for the dhimmi suckers .
Palestinians have and will get what they deserve , for being the treacherous lieing dogs that they truly are .

Keep your bags packed Shukri , as your fellow muslims will soon get out of hand and you will be forced to choose .

You aint seen nothin' yet .

Your god ? Your god is bullshit ! Your god's hands are covered with blood .

Posted by: Excaliber at May 4, 2005 7:07 AM

'Also, why do the "terrorists" constantly demand the withdrawal of foreign troops rather than demand that everyone convert to Islam?'~ shukri

S~ why were American troops attacked in Saudi Arabia? They were there by invitation of the Saudi government. Not One American soldier has ever trod upon the 'holy ground' that is only a small part of SA, despite what Bin Laden has claimed.

Posted by: Gary at May 4, 2005 8:20 AM

Shuggi, I must hand it to you:

You are hardcore!! You are well and truly a believer in Bin Ladens BS and you will inevitably find the same destiny...
If you do blow yourself up please do it in the desert and don't harm too many people, (and don't forget to wear 3 pairs of underwear!)

My question to you was simply what's in it for the women in Islam: What do you, or what did your rapist prophet promise the women Islamics? Are they also going to be in sexual extasy in muslim heavens or what?

Must be something waiting for them there, otherwise they wouldn't be eqally fanatical???

Posted by: Terminator at May 4, 2005 10:49 AM

So Shurki seems to like to have some rational basis for belief - doesn't think it "reasonable" for God to have experienced life as a man; and why not? Well, because in islam, he's already been programmed that it's not reasonable. Personally, I might wonder why one would need a flying camel to take one to Jerusalem for a single night, or why one ought dunk a fly in one's food, or why one might force women to wear a veil, or prevent them from worshipping as men, or why one would need to induce epileptic fits to transmit divine knowledge, or why one would marry a six-year old girl and have sex with her when she's nine, or why a religion that claims to follow a god instead of a man would put the man's word's on par with that of their God's (Q 4:80), and probably well over three or four thousand other things in the Quran and the hadiths that suggest they're following a deity not entirely "reasonable" in his own light, but perhaps I digress.

"I have not found anything in Islam that does not make sense."

It is written: look not, and ye shall not find. =D

"I am already a humanist."

No, you are not. Humanism is a secular philosophy, and you are not a secularist. You are in fact, a radical islamicist.

"your ignorance of the life of the Prophet Muhammad...and the apparent fact that you are getting information about him from his enemies, which is hardly a fair thing to do to anybody."

Like, for example, getting information about Jesus Christ from islam.

Shurki might actually have had a point there - if, of course, the posters here had been getting information from neo-Nazis or anti-muslims. Unfortunately for Shurki, all our information comes from a) the Quran, b) the hadiths, c) the tradtions, d) islamic philosophers and e) muslims themselves.

"Actually, as demonstrated by the famous atheist who recently concluded that there is a creator of some sort"

He must have been INTENSELY famous, for me never to have heard of him/her, and for you not to be able to post his/her name. Incidentally, one could prove that God wasn't necessary to explain creation - which, under Okham's Razor, is tantamount to non-existence.

"Terminator, all of those lands pretty much have the descendants of the original inhabitants. To my knowledge, there is no case where Muslims institutionally wiped out the rightful owners of a land in order to take over."

Except in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and so forth.

"Terminator, tiny tiny Israel has created over a million Palestinian refugees."

Lest we forget, Israel is about 15 km deep and 100 long. There's no room left in all the Middle East, high and low, for anyone other than muslims?

"please provide me with a terrorist attack, just one, where the perpetrators allege that Islam is the sole motive."

Gee, maybe killing Allah's enemies is just an added bonus. Of course, Shurki's excuse doesn't really explain why Jews and Christians - native ones - are being terrorized in modern-day Islamic countries, nor why apostates are killed and harassed. Or are they foreigners also? And when will Jews driven from islamic countries receive their own property back? Have they no "right of return"?

This one is my favourite:
"Islam abhors those who do not believe, and this is reiterated numerous times throughout the Qur'an."

Shurki: "To deny and disbelieve in God, who has blessed us with all of the blessings that we take for granted, is the height of AGGRESSION and injustice. Those who believe in God will, in reality, always be superior to those who disbelieve."

And there, ladies and gentlemen and Shurki, is the essence of Shurki's islam laid open: disbelieving is aggression. And what, even in Shurki's basest argument, is the excuse for Sura 9? Well, it's "defense from aggression", of course (although of course the Sura's hardly just about defense, but rather offense, against unbelievers).

So Shurki essentially is exactly like all the rest: he'd gladly kill unbelievers, and that means you. And yet he claims he represents a "moderate muslim". A "moderate" who considers refutation and refusal of this mythical 'allah' to be "aggression". So, by his definition, Christians, Jews and the like are guilty, by reason of their existence, of "aggression" against islam - and of course we know what islam does to "aggressors", now don't we?

How about this, Shurki?: 'fornicate' you.

Idiot. I, unlike you, am not a violent person (no madrassa education, you understand) but if I met you on the street, I find myself wondering what I could teach you about "aggression", and how long such a lesson might take.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at May 4, 2005 1:50 PM

Shukri, in the video tape in which Osama bin Laden and the "crippled" sheik laughed, joked, and congratulated each other on the great success of 9-11, they both declared that 9-11 was a "great victory for Islam." Bin Laden opposed the presence of kafir troops on the holy soil of Saudi Arabia, but they were there at the request of the Saudi government to protect Islam's holiest of holies from Saddam. Did that qualify as an occupation? The citizenry of Saudi Arabia didn't seem to object and after all, the entire country is run by ex-patriates from around the globe because the pious Saudis are too good to soil their hands or cloud their religion-soaked minds with menial work, and all work is menial to them. That's what slaves and dhimmis are for. What a sick and depraved society!

The tapes of the horrific, barbaric beheadings of innocent civilians in Iraq all concluded with the butchers screaming "God is great!" That implies to me that these brutal murders were macabre, ritual sacrifices to allah.

Religion and politics are one in Islam. Islam is actually a three-fold system of religion/politics/culture, a total, all-encompassing way of life. There is no temporal life for muslims; life is an incessant, slavish devotion to the prophet and allah that encompasses every thought, every action, every word. Jihad, holy war, an armed conflict to defend Islam, or whatever name you wish to give Islamic aggression, is always justified by a political grievance but ironically, the grievance is usually related to the consequences of previous Islamic aggression/terrorism, so it's like a vicious circle. What do you suppose the innocent school children in Beslan did to deserve being tortured for days and then massacred by Islamic terrorists? Were they guilty of "occupation?"

When I said that Islam abhors those who do not believe, I meant those who do not follow Islam. I do not follow Islam, but I believe in God. Since I am not a muslim, that makes me a filthy kafir. You are forbidden to befriend me, greet me, or touch me, (God forbid!). Even an accidental brush against some part of my body would contaminate you, render you impure. Isn't that the pinnacle of asininity? And to clarify my statement about "my God"; no, God is not mine alone but you and I don't worship the same God, thus the distinction. And yes, I know that "allah" is the Arabic word for God. Islamic triumphalism is the epitome of arrogance.

Posted by: Susanp at May 4, 2005 9:53 PM

Susan,

Infact Muslims can touch non Muslims, how else are we supposed to kill you? Just kidding. Muslim men are allowed to marry kitabis, but why should they? Muslims are not allowed to greet non Muslims, strange thing, We are to say Wa Alaikum when you say Asalamualaikum.

Susan you are making alot of pronoucement about how Muslims are supposed to act towards the kufar but it seems to me that its all coming from the back of your head or the little red guy on your shouldnt with a pitch fork. Just kidding. Please refer to the Quran and authentic hadiths, or at least fatawa from the ulema (scholars) when talking about such thing. To get you started here are a list of websites with writing from the scholars.
• www.albani.co.uk
• www.binbaz.co.uk
• www.binuthaymin.co.uk
• www.muqbil.co.uk
• www.rabee.co.uk
• www.ubayd.co.uk
• www.fawzan.co.uk

Here is Fatwa online: www.fatwa-online.com

Its bad to speak without knowledge from your own opinion. The result is Bin Laden, Al Qaida and ISlamic Jihad etc. Oh and about the children of Beslan, in Islam we have a concept called fitrah, everyone is born with it. Here is a hadith,

The Prophet Muhammad - the Final Messenger of God, may God bless him and give him peace, reported that God the Exalted said: "I created My servants in the right religion, but the devils made them go astray." (Reported in Sahih Muslim.) The Messenger of God, may God bless him and give him peace, also said: "Each child is born in a state of fitrah, but his parents make him a Jew or a Christian." (Reported in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim).

THose children in Beslan below the age of puberty were Muslim and may Allah (swt) give them a place in Jennah. Ameen.

Posted by: brownwonder at May 5, 2005 12:41 AM