Yes, probably the riots are imaginary as well...

Posted by: Shukri at May 25, 2005 5:12 PM

NOW WHY DID THE FAT BOY RUN AWAY??

CAUSE HE WAS NEVER THERE THE BORDER IS CLOSED AND HIS MEN ARE SUNDRENERING LIKE THE YELLOW COWARD BULLIES ALWAYS DO WHEN GOOD MEN STAND UP AND FIGHT THE BULLIES FALL!!!!

NOW WHERE OH WHERE COULD HE BE I THINK SYIRA!! LIKE ALL saddam[yellow coward found in a hole don't shoot i'am a yellow coward] MINNIONS RAN TO SYIRA SO DID THIS MONSTER!!

Just a reminder??
http://www.robesus.com/usanthem.html
Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
YES THIS IS WHAT AMERICA IS MADE OF!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER[IRAQIS TOO] GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THEM AMEN

PS
MORE ISLAMIC TERRORIST DEAD TODAY!!!

Posted by: Catherine at May 25, 2005 5:29 PM

Lol Shukri may be the riots DID OCCUR. But u r making it seem as if Americans initiated riots and they r to blame for the deaths. Muslims were killed by police, or fellow Muslims... now what does CAIR have to say about the violent nature of the protests...

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at May 25, 2005 6:52 PM

Where is the rule that says we can't desecrate the quran? I think I will take a note out of these muslims and turn it around and have a quran and flag of islam burning.

flag of islam

Posted by: bart at May 25, 2005 6:58 PM

Not really sorry, shukri. You see, I don't give a rip how many muslims kill one another ... No, that's not really true. I do care. I hope you kill one another off - completely.

muslims Are a waste of clean air, food, and water.

Posted by: Havoc at May 25, 2005 7:12 PM

Amnesia:

http://www.yahoo.com/_ylh=X3oDMTEwdnZjMjFhBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaW5kZXgtY3Nz/s/241366

What a bunch of wankers!

'Afghan students?'- Shuggi, what would they study? The Koran?
I donate a few kilos of TNT or Semtec for them.

"University" in Afghanistan! What they called University was already closed down in 1969 when I was there and since then they had nothing but war, how can they talk of 'students' and 'University'! That's all BS!

Posted by: Terminator at May 25, 2005 8:30 PM

Bit like most Muslims (and journo's) ethos:

"Why let facts get in the way of a good story"

No wonder the lefty journo's and the Muslims get along with other. Both hate Christianity, both are willing to lie to further 'the cause', and any deaths along the way are nesscessary for "the good of the State" (be it Islamic or Socialist/Communist).

I truely hope the victims of this carnage sue the media outlets, and the Mufti's (fat chance) who are responsible for this.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at May 25, 2005 8:40 PM

Oh, so you mean they lied?

Quelle surprise...

Posted by: jawa at May 25, 2005 9:27 PM

No wonder the lefty journo's and the Muslims get along with other. Both hate Christianity...

No doubt you concluded this from Quranic verses:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

"O you who believe! Be helpers of God -- as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, 'Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?' Said the disciples, 'We are God's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed" (61:14).

Posted by: Shukri at May 25, 2005 9:40 PM

Shukri-

Clever editing. (Excise the many more passages in the Koran condemning the Jews and Christians as deluded infidels headed for the flames of gehenna because they would not accept Mo's new twist on their own earlier religious beliefs.)

But how did so much of the Old and New Testament end up in the Koran?

Wouldn't that be plagiarism?

And isn't that theft?

Shouldn't Mohammad's hands have been cut off for that?

O' stoned Satan.

Posted by: BigSleep at May 25, 2005 11:04 PM

http://www.godspy.com/issues/Faith-Terror-and-Martyrdom-in-Algeria-The-Monks-of-Tibhirine.cfm
this story is about uniteing mulsums and Christians but what I see here is the Christians with no heads the pope should have read luke and for every body to buy a sward maybe then the monks would still have their heads??
And REMEMBER this happened when Bill Clinton was President ??

IF WE COULD JUST CONVINCE THAT IT IS NOT THE CHRISTIANS WHO ARE THE THREAT TO DEMOCRATS JUST THINK WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE NAME OF SAVING THE CHILDREN David Korish comes to mind?? TEAR DOWN THE COMPOUNDS AND BURN THE PEOPLE??
FAITH, TERROR AND MARTYRDOM IN ALGERIA: THE MONKS OF TIBHIRINE
The Monks of Tibhirine had all decided to stay in their African posts despite the risks. In this, it is difficult not to feel that we have a window into the same spirit with which Christ himself remained firm in his decision to go up to Jerusalem near his end, even though he knew what the result would be
By Robert Royal
MARCH 17 2004
0n Christmas Eve 1993, in the remote Atlas Mountains of Algeria, several men carrying machine guns appeared in the courtyard of the Trappist monastery at Tibhirine. Besides the unexpected presence, recent events made their appearance ominous. On December 1 of the same year, a one-month grace period had expired in which the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), rebels fighting the government, had warned all foreigners to leave the country. Two weeks later, twelve Croatians working at a hydraulic plant nine miles away from the monastery had had their throats cut, partly in retaliation for what the rebels regarded as ongoing mistreatment of Muslims in Bosnia at the time, partly because the Croatians were foreign Christians.
READ THE WHOLE STORY!! IS A BIG EYE OPENER??
During the night of March 27, 1996, seven of the monks were abducted in a two month ordeal that would stretch out almost until Pentecost. A month after the abduction, a GIA communique offered several reasons why the monks were seized and several conditions for their safe release. Among the reasons given for why the action was licit, the GIA emir, Abou Abdel Rahmân Amîn (popularly called Djamel Zitouni), argued that the previous protection (aman) was improper because the monks "have not ceased to invite Muslims to be evangelized. They have continued to display their Christian slogans and symbols and to commemorate their feasts with solemnity." Gone was the mutual religious respect manifested by the dark visitors on Christmas Eve two years earlier.
Citing selectively from Muslim law, the emir also stated: "It is therefore licit to apply to these monks what applies to unbelievers who are prisoners of war, namely: death, slavery or exchange for Muslim prisoners."
. On May 23, the GIA announced that they had cut the throats of all seven monks—Dom Christian de Chergè, Brother Luke Dochier, Father Christopher Lebreton, Brother Michael Fleury, Father Bruno Lemarchand, Father Celestine Ringeard, and Brother Paul Favre Miville—two days before.
Their heads were found, but not their bodies, reminding some present of the story of John the Baptist.
AGAIN READ THE WHOLE STORY??
THEN WE HAVE A REAL EYE OPENER ON OUR DOOR STEPS??

OH THIS MUST BE THE PEACEFUL SIDE???

BUT WAIT A MIN WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT BLACKS??

http://www.zum.de/psm/rta/doa8a.php
Reichstagsakten 1888/89, 7. Lp., Vol. 121, Attachment 41: Collection of Documents pertaining the Uprising in East Africa, Report from the Imperial consul general on Zanzibar
No.8, attachment no. 1, Report from District Chief of Lindi
Lindi, August 16th 1888
The Arab segment of the population of Lindi lives on the slave trade. All soldiers and Sultan's men are accomplices and receive their share in the robbery.
The main slave traders are :
Mahamadi Ngunga
Bachofa Hamed
Abid bin Zef
Halaal bin Zef
Salim bin Abdallah
Seliman, the Sultan's prison guard
Rashid de Pappa
and the Kadi Omani bin Jemali
The latter is given a large percentage for remaining silent.
British warships hardly ever have confiscated a slave dhow here and do not visit the port. Almost all the dhows sail under the French flag which they obtain from the consulate in Madagscar, as they have their ships measured there.
I remark simultanously that it is difficult to undertake anything here against slave trade, which is also profitable to the indigenous along the coast, without having a sufficient force at my disposal.
the district chief
Freiherr von Eberstein

AND THAT MAKES SINCE WHEN YOU READ THIS PART??

Tabari VI:107 “Satan Cast a False Qur’an Revelation on the Messenger of Allah’s Tongue.”

OH MY!!!

Ishaq:243 “I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.” [9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”

SO THEY THINK OF BLACK PEOPLE AS MORE GROSS THAN A DONKEY????

WHAT WAS THAT??

MORE GROSS THAN A DONKEY??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine

Posted by: Catherine at May 25, 2005 11:09 PM

You need not feel continued hatred against Islam. Islam is a religion of love and mercy and those who truly follow Islam embody those qualities. I invite you to learn Islam from Muslim sources and judge its merits accordingly.

Posted by: Shukri at May 25, 2005 09:54 PM

ROTFL!!!!!!!

ROTFL!!!!!!!

OH YEA??

Qur’an 3:50 “(I [Isa/Jesus] have come) to attest the Torah which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.”

The Torah and the quran are not the same thing! So mulsums are cursed??

Qur’an 3:54 “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations [the Torah and Gospels] and follow this Apostle [Jesus]. Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.” [A third translation says that “they” refers to “disbelievers,” not the disciples and they plotted to kill Jesus.] “And they (disbelievers) plotted (to kill Isa [Jesus]) and Allah plotted too.”

Why would God have to Plot?

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.”

OH MY??

Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”

OH WHAT COUNTRIES HAVE GREAT FARM LANDS AND RUNNING WATER IN THEIR HOMES??

Bukhari:V4B55N658 “Allah’s Apostle said ‘How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Qur’an and not by the law of Gospel.’”

So the quran was rewritten and the curse is on the mulsums and all who follow it??

Qur’an 61:14 “O Muslims! Be helpers of Allah: As Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, ‘Who will be my helpers (in the Cause) of Allah?’ Said the disciples, ‘We are Allah’s helpers!’ Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, and they became the victorious.”

IN GODS CAUSE TO SAVE HIS PEOPLE OF ISRAEL WHO HE SAVED FROM EGYPT?? REMEMBER JESUS WAS A JEW!!

Qur’an 4:78 “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers built up strong and high! If some good befalls, they say, ‘This is from Allah;’ but if evil, they say, ‘This is from you (Muhammad).’ Say: ‘All things are from Allah.’ So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?”

Ubl [yellow coward who runs away] USE THIS TO TAKE OUT THE WTC NOT SOME THING HE THOUGHT UP??

Qur’an 4:88 “What is the matter with you that you are divided about the Hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (causing their disbelief). Would you guide those whom Allah has thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah has thrown aside and led astray, never shall they find the Way.

YEA RIGHT LOOK AT EVERY MULSUM COUNTRY A SHIT HOLE!!

” Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but...] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”

NOW WHERE IS THE PEACE IN THAT???

Qur’an 47:21 “Were they to obey, showing their obedience in modest speech, after the matter (of preparation for Jihad) had been determined for them, it would have been better. Is it to be expected that if you were put in authority and given command that you would do mischief in the land and sever your ties of kinship. Such men are cursed by Allah. He has made them deaf, dumb and blind.”

NO AWAKE EYES OPEN AND WHERE IS THE PEACE IN THAT??

Qur’an 4:97 “Verily, when angels take the souls of those who die wronging themselves (by staying home), they say: ‘In what (plight or engagement) were you?’ They reply: ‘Weak on the earth.’ Such men will find their abode in Hell, an evil resort!”

NOW WHERE IS THE PEACE IN THAT??

Qur’an 4.:8 “Except those who are feeble—men, women and children—who cannot devise a plan nor have the means or power. These are those whom Allah is likely to forgive.”

SO WHY IS IT THAT THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST KILL IRAQI CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY ARE YELLOW COWARDS!!

Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.”

YEA more Islamic terrorist dead TODAY BY THE USA & NEW IRAQI ARMY NOW WHO IS ON GODS SIDE?

WHERE IS THE PEACE IN THAT???

Qur’an 9:43 “May Allah forgive you (Muhammad). Why did you grant them leave (for remaining behind; you should have persisted as regards to your order to them to proceed on Jihad), until you had known the liars.”

YES STOP SUPPORT OF THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST OR IT WILL BE THE DOOM OF ALL IRAQI PEOPLE REMEMBER 5:32 AND THE DEATH OF THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK WILL BE THE DEATH OF ALL MANKIND AND WHO IS IT WHO LEADS YOU TO THIS DEATH BUT YELLOW MEN COWARDS WHO WILL NOT SHOW THEMSELVES LIKE ubl NO SEE SINCE TORA-BORA AND SADDAM FOUND IN O HOLE “ DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD”

NOW WHERE IS THE PEACE IN THAT??

Qur’an 9:45 “Only those ask for exemption (from Jihad) who believe not in Allah and whose hearts are in doubt, so that they are tossed to and fro. If they had intended to march out to fight, they would certainly have made some preparation and readied their equipment; but Allah was averse to their being sent forth; so He made them lag behind. ‘Sit you among those who sit.’ If they had marched with you, they would not have added to your (strength) but only (made for) discord, spying and sowing sedition. There would have been some in your midst who would have listened to them. But Allah knows well those [peace-loving Muslims] who do wrong and are wicked.”

YES WHY DO THE SAUDIS SEND OTHERS TO FIGHT AND KILL THE IRAQI PEOPLE?

NOW WHERE IS THE PEACE IN THAT??

Qur’an 9:48 “They had plotted sedition before, and upset matters for you until the Decree of Allah [to fight] became manifest, much to their disgust. Among them are many who say: ‘Grant me exemption to stay back at home (exempted from Jihad). And do not tempt me [with promises of booty].’ Have they not fallen into temptation already? Indeed, Hell surrounds them.”

WHO ARE THESE MONSTERS WHO SAY IT IS OKAY TO KILL IRAQI CHILDREN? FROM SAUIDI ARABIA EGYPT JORDAN PALESTINIANS SYRIA?

SO WHERE IS THE PEACE IN THAT???

Qur’an 9:75 “Some of you made a deal with Allah, saying, ‘If You give us booty we shall pay You the tax.’ But when He gave them booty, they became greedy and refused to pay. As a consequence of breaking their promises, Allah filled their hearts with hypocrisy which will last forever.”

COULD THIS BE THE UN AND THE OIL FOR FOOD OR THE ARAB LEAGE WHO HOLD THE IRAQI PEOPLE PRISNOR TO THE YELLOW COWARDS?

SO WHERE IS THE PEACE IN THAT??

Well I didn't even get to the best parts??

so once again you lie to the people will you run away like those Islamic Terrorist you follow???

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THIS EVIL AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at May 25, 2005 11:10 PM

Excise the many more passages in the Koran condemning the Jews and Christians as deluded infidels

I gave the verses and their source. Instead of making claims, why don't you give me the verses where your above allegations are explicitly confirmed? Don't quote me the "kill the pagans wherever you find them". It is extremely clear to any reader of normal intelligence who reads the verses in context that it refers to specific groups of individuals who had treacherously betrayed a treaty and killed Muslims.

Again, please provide me with the verses that substantiate your claims...

Posted by: Shukri at May 26, 2005 1:46 AM

"specific groups of individuals who had treacherously betrayed a treaty and killed Muslims."

Shukri you are so full of it. How is it, that when Mohammed broke the peace treaty, his foes collapsed so quickly? Why? It wasn't because Allah was with him (after all your Allah can't even expel a few Jews from the ME, despite numerical AND economic superiority).

The reason his foes fell so quickly was because THEY HONOURED the treaty, and were taken by surprise. Think about. If I was "holed" up in a city, and was planning to break a treaty, where my foe HAD TO INVADE, I would stockpile food, which would ensure a long and arduous siege for Mo and his band of criminals. This didn't happen. Why? Because Mo's enemies were foolish enough to take him at his word (much like the West today).

Hey Shukri - found a nine year old to have sex with? Just so you can be like Mohammed (may pigs piss be upon him)???

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at May 26, 2005 3:17 AM

Another gray matter moment from Shukri. He wants verses, but his "temporary blindness" (does this go with Islam's "temporary wives"?) stops him from reading the verses Catherine, and others post above.

Show some gray matter Shukri. At least Osama has some.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at May 26, 2005 3:20 AM

Shukri, unlike the Bible, which says, WHEN YOU GO INTO THE LAND (being ISRAEL).........

Your Koran (and mine for that matter) merely GENERICALLY says,

"Kill the infidels wherever you find them"

"Fight them in EVERY STRATEGEM OF WAR" - something Shukri does here often.

It DOES NOT SAY "when you go into the land of Mecca or Medina.....KILL"

It just says "Kill"

And there is another 110 war verses I could quote from, and have done on other posts, without a whimper from IA or Shukri. Other posters experience the same from these guys.

That probable why people don't worry about the Jews outside of Israel.

Muslims however - very different story.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at May 26, 2005 3:25 AM

Greetings 3rdtimelucky
I see you are still having to set Shukri right but that he will have none of it. God give you grace to persevere.

Recent JWers may have forgotten our original exchange with Mr S which leads to 3rdtimelucky inquiring regularly about his success (or lack of it, praise be!) in locating a child bride. To recap, so that you recall the type of creature we are dealing with here. Shukri told me on the subject of the rape of the child Aisha, on April 12, 2005 on the Three Misunderstanders of Islam Indicted on Terror Charges in the US thread:-

"As for Ayesha's marriage. It's not our problem but your problem because you are viewing it through the rose colored glasses of modern Western culture."

He then referred me to a source which would explain all. Which actually it did, hence my reply 2 days later. Which was :-

You know full well that I read your "source" It is a piece by one AbdurRahman R. Squires from the site moslemanswers.org. I base my assertation that as a supporter of paedophilia you are beyond troll on such gems as :-

1) "it may come as a disappointment to some "modern" and "cultured" Muslims that there are four ahadith in Saheeh al-Bukhari and three ahadith in Saheeh Muslim which clearly state that 'Aishah was "nine years old" at the time that her marriage was consummated with the Prophet"
2) "As we will demonstrate, the Prophet Muhammad's marriage to 'Aishah.... was not an immoral act, but was an act containing valuable lessons for generations to come"

My facts are verified from your very site. I need say no more, you and your ilk are condemned by your own words, and, unfortunately for the children under your control, deeds.
To call you a troll is an insult to Scandinavian folklore. We know what you are. But please continue to post your support of paedophilia as mandated by your prophet, the more proof we have of Islamic predilections the better. “

I don’t want to interfere with the good and valid points that 3rdtimelucky is making, merely to remind us of the quality of this Shukri, defender of the indefensible.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at May 26, 2005 4:45 AM

Shukri r u trying to "enlighten" (convert) us... Lemme tell u Islam is noting but Arab cultural imperialism. How much of your country's history b4 Islamic times u take pride in? Pakis for one r the best specimens of ppl enslaved by Arabs. Those guys take pride in Mohammed Ghuri, they've even named one of thei missiles after him! without knowing he most likely raped their ancestors and converted them from Hinduism or Buddhism. Shukri if u r a Paki then plz establish an Arab/Ashrafi pedigree for ur family. I can't bear the thought that i'm ethnically related to u. U guys r a blot in the name of Aryans..

Posted by: scourge_of_landos at May 26, 2005 5:58 AM

A real gem for those who like sick jokes:
(this is not a joke, you can look it up on 'Ask the Imam"

Question:

Could you please give me a detailed analysis of what a Virgin women should do after being raped.

Please could you tell me if the Virgin female should perform any special prayers, fast etc. JazakAllah for your advise. 2)Has she lost her Vaginity as she was raped? 3)has she also lost her blessings?

Answer 2805

2001-05

If a female was raped due to her not maintaining the laws of Hijaab, she is
partly to be blamed as the rapist will be considered as being seduced by her
revealing form and shape. She should make Tawbah (sincerely repent) by also
adhering to the laws of Hijaab.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

Posted by: Terminator at May 26, 2005 6:29 AM

Some participants waved signs including one marked: "Desecrate today and see another 9/11 tomorrow", referring to the 2001 terrorist bombings in New York and Washington.

*Another* 9/11? For desecrating Islam? But the ummah keeps telling us the first 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam!

Posted by: yadayada at May 26, 2005 12:13 PM

They will never release the names of those killed in those riots. There may not have been any deaths in the first place (lies), and second, if there were, the organisers of the riots want to scapegoat the responsibility to the US. What really happened to the dead people (if any) remains a mystery and probably will never be cleared up.

Posted by: duh_swami at May 26, 2005 2:30 PM

2) "As we will demonstrate, the Prophet Muhammad's marriage to 'Aishah.... was not an immoral act, but was an act containing valuable lessons for generations to come"

Granny Weatherwax? How can anyone accept such a sick teaching?

First - if any man is enticed by a 9 year old - that man is SICK beyond measure!

Second - Where is the responsibility for Muslim men to reject temtations that can ONLY come from the Devil himself?

It truly is a 'miracle' that whole nations bow to such teachings!

Posted by: Beth at May 26, 2005 3:30 PM

Islam plants diseases of the heart - and yet Islam accuses everyone else of just that - Diseases of the heart.

Posted by: Beth at May 26, 2005 3:31 PM

Beth
Those were among the arguements that 3rdtimelucky, and Geoff if I recall, and to a lesser extent me, used. The contrast of Jesus Christ healing the daughter of Jairus, who at 12 year old was still treated as a little girl living with her loving parents, and Mohammed commenting on the cuddly toys of this 9 year old girl before taking her to bed was completely lost on Mr S.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at May 26, 2005 4:02 PM

Jairus, who at 12 year old was still treated as a little girl living with her loving parents, and Mohammed commenting on the cuddly toys of this 9 year old girl before taking her to bed

Well put! Granny Weathermax

It blows the mind that the 'wise' and 'holy' ones of this world are not able to comprehend such a difference.

Posted by: Beth at May 27, 2005 12:09 PM

&8593

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 28, 2005 4:36 PM

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Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 28, 2005 4:36 PM

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Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 28, 2005 4:41 PM

Religion of Peace

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 28, 2005 4:43 PM

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