Have these threats been passed on to the FBI? I realize that today's FBI is rather more touchy feely about Islam, but what are they doing about this?

The owner of a similar website in France has also been threatened:

Death Threats made against Denis Greslin, president of Occidentalis Association in France

"WE WILL HAVE YOUR SKIN GRESLIN YOUR THROAT WILL BE CUT LIKE THE COCKROACHES OF YOUR SPECIES DIE MOTHERF*******" sic

"You will all die bunch of sluts, you don't like arabs? We will get you and f*** your women we know who you are" sic

"You also you stink of death and you will die like that bitch van gog, we have are eye on yoo fascists we will beat you and your family bunch of motherf****

Allah will punish you for your acts" sic

Denis Greslin runs a web site http://www.occidentalis.com which regularly publishes information in French relating to dhimmitude by politicians and jihadism in the Mosques and suburbs of France. So called anti-racist organisations such as MRAP and the LDH (League des Droits de l'Homme) as well as UOIF, an islamic association with links to the Muslim Brotherhood, are regularly reported on and found to be more interested in advancing the cause of Islam than dealing with actual cases of racism.

He has now received death threats with the usual suspect spelling and grammar. These threats, made from a fixed IP address, have been passed on to the police. It now remains to be seen if the police will be as vigilant in tracking down the author of these threats are as they were in arresting Mr Greslin in June 1993,and placing him in a cell without charge for 48 hours, for having defended his ideas on the internet. During this time, his name, address and place of work were widely distributed on islamic forums on the web.

The site was broadly supportive of Philippe de Villier's efforts to vote down the european constitution in the recent referendum, in order to put the brakes on Turkey's hopes of admission to the EU club.

There is nothing remotely racist in the web site's content, whose primary goal is to prevent Europe becoming part of Dar al Islam.

Source
http://www.occidentalis.com/article.php?sid=2235&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Posted by: Sebastien at June 7, 2005 2:07 PM

"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again"

This statement brings home the reason why Islam is not compatible with values in the West. Is Islam equivalent to Jihad? R.S. wrote earlier that only Muslims can say. Yes they can say what they want, but actions and violent threats speak louder than words of peace.

Posted by: epg at June 7, 2005 2:13 PM

Hey, aren't we forgetting that Islam's a 'religion of peace'?

In other words: a piece of you over here, another piece of you over there...

Posted by: illustr8rg8r at June 7, 2005 2:24 PM

I swear when the suicide bombings start in the west all the Libs are going to be walking around in disbelief.

Myself i understand the religion of Pieces.

Posted by: Pegcity at June 7, 2005 2:45 PM

Islam creates psychotic episodes in believers, I keep saying that because it is true. When he say's Allah is capable of all things, what he really means is that "he" himself is capable of all things, or anything, in the name of Allah.

"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again"

Only a sadistic fiend could concieve of such a thing. His idea's are more Satanic than "Holy".
But his Allah is like that...torturing people forever, for fun and entertainment.
If this stuff is not warped, nothing is.

Hopefully the authorities will be interested enough to round this guy up and put him in a cage, where he belongs...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 7, 2005 2:46 PM

"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again"

Isn't it amazing that this came from a person who prays five times a day? His devotion to god hasn't instilled him with peace and love for his fellow man has it? I mean, dude. That is a vicious statement.

You can coddle your little book all you want. You can pray five times a day every day. You can follow all of the Islamic rules and by-laws and this hateful, psychotic statement flys from your mouth with pride? This sick, mentally ill person imagines himself a pious righteous instrument of a god. It is a sicking evil, this bad religion.

I feel like I need to take a shower from just reading it.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at June 7, 2005 2:49 PM

Pegcity

I swear when the suicide bombings start in the west all the Libs are going to be walking around in disbelief.

I also sincerely believe that it is only a matter of time until a spate of suicide bombings occur in Europe. The most likely targets will be London or Paris. They will most likely be carried out by the kind of psychopaths who make the statements of murderous sadism we read here and they will be commited by indigenous Muslims of those countries.

The left and the leftist newspapers will be stuck for about four or five days of embarassment but after that we will start hearing voices from the left and the moderate Islamic 'anti-globalists' that although it was terrible, we have to address the 'root causes' of such a crime, which ultimately, lies within us, for we are to blame for this kind of hatred, psychopathy, fury of a genocidalist level.

This I can almost guarantee will be the nature of the discourse.

Posted by: Zico at June 7, 2005 3:19 PM

'Richard Spencer ash-Shaytaani'

That's one hell of a title - I'm quite envious really.

'May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again"

Obviously the 'golden age' of Islamic science is long past. If you kept splitting Rirchard Spencer ash Shaytaani's brains there'd be two, then four, then eight and so on. So it would be quite difficult to put them 'both' (?) back and keep on getting a good clean split. Still, Allah knows best; who am I, a mere Kaffir bint, to argue?

Posted by: Interested at June 7, 2005 3:22 PM

Be strong Robert. We are all praying for your safety. Hopefully, the growing number anti-jihadi blogs will take some of the pressure off JW. In the final analysis, our safety is in numbers.

Posted by: Andrei Rublev at June 7, 2005 3:28 PM

Robert,

You must be doing something right if you've made the moslem vermin this pissed off. Keep up the good work. Wear the disgusting moslem's rants as badges of honor in the war which you are clearly making a positive impact.

Attention moslems,

Renounce Jihad, Dhimmitude, and Sharia Law and you will be offered our whole hearted respect. Refuse, and you will remain the criminal terrorist enemy whose "religion" has no place in this world.

You have the power to transform islam from being a degenerate, bottom feeder religion of brutality and death into a respectable faith of peace and rightousness. The choice is yours. Do the right thing: Say NO to Jihad; Say NO to Dhimmitude; Say NO to Sharia. Have the courage to reject all the violent, sadistic interperetations of islam. Begin today, on this message board, and help to make a difference.

Posted by: Madzionist at June 7, 2005 3:30 PM

To anyone reading from RevivingIslam.com -
Even if anyone took your cowardly threats seriously - believe me anything you did to Robert Spencer - you would have to do to all of us. You cannot silence the truth about your threat to the world and democracy and every terrorist action Islamist Extremists take only educates more and more people around the world, including other Muslims of how depraved Islamist Extremist threats are. Everything such extremists do and say only makes their total defeat and destruction more certain. Keep up the good work in ensuring that the danger of Islamist Extremism is fully understood by all humankind.

Jeffrey Imm

Posted by: jeffreyimm at June 7, 2005 3:38 PM

I hope that Robert is secure and I pray that should he need so he receive all the protection he needs.

Posted by: Zico at June 7, 2005 3:39 PM

I wonder why King Tolerance has not shown up on this thread?

I think he would argue that brain and spine splitting is a good thing.

Posted by: Zico at June 7, 2005 3:40 PM

"who am I, a mere Kaffir bint,"

Yes but you are not a dozy one

Just think, he will be the man with 8 brains. With only 1 brain he has the Jihadis worried, with 8 brains they will be vanquished.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 7, 2005 3:41 PM

Just think, he will be the man with 8 brains. With only 1 brain he has the Jihadis worried, with 8 brains they will be vanquished

LoL! ;-)

Do you think they can do the arithmetic though?

Posted by: Zico at June 7, 2005 3:59 PM

Muslims invented arithmetic, the Jews and Hindus disabled our ability to carry it out.

I split your spine you Zionist Dog! You stole long division from us you infidel Pig!

Posted by: Zico at June 7, 2005 4:02 PM

Do you think they can do the arithmetic though?

Perhaps 'king will give us the benefit of his wisdom on that possibility if he shows up later. He was on DW about an hour ago, but as he pointed out to someone he has a life and duties to attend to. I expect he is having a little preen of his psittaciformal feathers in readiness.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 7, 2005 4:10 PM

Has Internet Haganah been notified?

Posted by: CGW at June 7, 2005 4:11 PM

I take death threats. Send all you like.

http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/

I also take them seriously because our Moslem cousins tend to kill people.

We are all facing death threats from our Moslem cousins, each and every one of us, simply because we are not Moslems. It doesn't really matter how mny of Moslems out of the total population of the ummah are really going to follow through on the threats. It only takes one to kill. For some of them it's not just a debating society here. For Spencer, with the number of threats increasing over the past few months, it's got to be a serious personal concern. I'm willing to take on my share of that.

My blog is opaque and boring, but you Moslems don't even have to read it. Just send the threats. The lines are open now.

Posted by: sonofwalker at June 7, 2005 4:12 PM

Mr. Spencer and Sonofwalker, I KNOW that you are carrying protection at all times... and no; I don't mean condoms.

Death threats are illegal in and of themselves, so I hope that you are documenting them and reporting them to the authorities.

Kel-tech makes the lightest, smallest .38 on the market. They are made in America, in Florida in fact. Get three: one for the armpit, one for the waistband, and one in the sock. Load them with Hollowpoints. Don't wait to see if you survive the first attack. Get yourself a kevlar vest too.

Posted by: kj at June 7, 2005 4:37 PM

They speak so easily of Satan, if only they knew. They worship Satan, who disguised himself as an angel of light. I hope that infuriates them even more. Backwards ass people.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 7, 2005 4:57 PM

Richard Spencer, we'll all pray you're safe. And thank you once more.

Posted by: bastardos at June 7, 2005 5:00 PM

BTW....I don't know if this is any comfort to you, but don't worry; Allah won't hurt you, because Allah is a fairy tale, and can't hurt you. Allah the fairytale can only make children--and adults that think like children, of course--scared. So don't worry about "allah" but keep your eyes peeled for his followers.

That's a funny thing, all through the ages people have talked about "God hating him" and "Allah hating her" and yet neither God nor Allah have actually ever killed anyone. It is recorded in the bible fairytale that Yaweh (God) killed some people with lighting out of the ark, but apparently He's been a little out of power the last three-odd millenia.

The question any child should be able to ask is, "If God hates some people, (a) why doesn't HE kill them Himself; and (b) if God hates some people, why did HE create them to begin with?" The only possible answers would constitute circular reasoning. This is why atheism is really the fastest growing religion.

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Sononwalker, I tried to post a comment on your "Defending FGM" blog and for some reason it didn't come up... are you sure that everything is up and running?

That defense is absurd and disgusting and I WOULD mail it to every Muslim apologist I know, but you know their stock-in-trade answer is "It's all cultural; it pre-dates Islam and has nothing to do with the Religion of Peace©."

So when you hear that excuse be sure to mention to them that when Islam invades, everyone has to undergo MAJOR lifestyle changes. They have to start rising at 4:30 to pray, they have to consign all of their departed (non-Muslim) relatives to eternal Hellfire, and they have to destroy all of their previous idols, temples, gods, goddesses, etc.

SO, one would think that if Islam can make people do all these things--especially the so-called, oft-touted "Islam that liberates women"--then they could make their new converts give up FGM, slavery, and wifebeating. So the question SHOULD be, "Why didn't they?" The answer is, Islam didn't and doesn't have any problem with FGM, slavery, and wife-beating, so they don't care if it goes on.

In a similar--but much less poignant way--southern Christians in general had no problem with slavery and most did nothing to end it (that's why there are "Baptists" and "Southern Baptists".) Likewise, when their black, Christian "brethren" were fighting for their rights in the '60s, the bible thumpers didn't try to help, because they saw no problem with Jim Crow laws. Instead, they got busy fighting... rock and roll.

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One more thing, Mr. Spencer. Could you please enable the strikethrough feature of your comments HTML? That way we could utitilize waaay more sarcasm. LGF has it; you should too. I think Chuck could easily arrange it for you.

KJ

rollinsfan021361@yahoo.com

Posted by: kj at June 7, 2005 5:02 PM

Write back and tell that Mobot that IF Allah really exists, then why doesn't He rip out your spine and cut your brain in two? Does Allah not really exist, or does He not heed the pleas of his faithful follower? Either way, it should give the Mobot pause. Perhaps he will consider converting to apostasy.

Posted by: kj at June 7, 2005 5:04 PM

"If I had said that this praying for the splitting of brains was the true Islam, I would be tarred as an "Islamophobe." What do you call Muslims who say it?"

Good point Robert!!!

I hope you keep turning these threats into the proper authorities. Also - I'd like for everyone to know exactly - who - what - where -- authorities -- and exactly what they plan on doing about it!

hmmm.....how about we make the exact quote - unquote threats to CAIR? or - how about the ACLU?

Let us threate them in the same manner - and lets all see the fire that spews from their mouths.

Posted by: Beth at June 7, 2005 5:07 PM

Primo Levi,
one of the very few I regard as heroes in my life, said that one of his worst experiences was that someone with half his IQ and not one iota of human compassion -a complete brute had the power of life and death over him.
So it is with the disgusting excuse for a human being who threatens Robert Spencer but be Thankful ROBERT SPENCER that unlike Primo you are not under his control in a concentration camp.
God help us all if such fascists ever have the power to rule our lives.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at June 7, 2005 5:23 PM

robert, just some encouragement for you:
fear not those who kill the body and after that can do nothing. rather, fear him (the living god) who can cast both body and soul into hell.
also, jesus said there would come a time when those who kill believers in jesus would think that they are doing "god" a service. this is what the radical muslims are doing, killing innocent people as a service to "god".
this is how deceived the radical muslims are.
jesus would say, "forgive the muslims for they know not what they do." i also believe in self-defense as i believe also did jesus, while loving one's enemies. we can love our enemies and still fight them. what other choice is there with islam which is so belligerent? i guess a martyr's crown would be nice but there is no reason to throw in the towel just yet. let's do some exploits first and let the truth fight for us. jesus christ is the truth.
satan is a murderer and the father of murderers, and the works of their father (satan) the muslim radicals will do.
i can't wait until many muslims come to jesus christ through the internet and a free media. let's hope we break down the barriers around these insulated muslim societies. this must be partly what the radicals are so mad about, people speaking their mind and sharing the truth. it's part of freedom. keep up the good work, robert, and all the best to you.

Posted by: listen to realanswers.net at June 7, 2005 5:34 PM

"I also sincerely believe that it is only a matter of time until a spate of suicide bombings occur in Europe."

Actually, France has experienced outbursts of Muslim bombings and mass-murders at least since the 1960s, and most recently in the 1990s. (The further back you go, the more it had to do with Algeria, I believe: still Muslim terrorism, though.) Perhaps our learned Hugh can provide some of the actual details of these.

France's experience with exploding Muslims over the decades on their own soil doesn't seem to have slapped any sense into their Leftists.

Posted by: metaxy at June 7, 2005 5:50 PM

KJ, I think you should give the Baptists a break. Remember, the North treated the blacks horribly before the civil rights era as well.

As a Jew, KJ, I was just as angry towards the Southern Baptists as you are today. They hated Jews as much as they hated blacks...maybe even more. They were all David Dukes. But up north, KJ, there were Pat Buchanon Catholics, and they were no better.

Jews, like the blacks, were denied admission to universities, businesses, law firms, and buying homes in certain communities. Not just in the deep south, but up north as well.

I hated those biggots. You mentioned Southern Baptist to me back then and I though Klan. But, here's the difference between you and I, KJ: I have forgiven them.

You see, the Evangelical Christians have repented for treating the Jews poorly. They show it in their words and their deeds.

They support Israel whole heartedly, even more passionately than many Jews do, which was unthinkable just a generation ago. They give huge money and political support to Israel, and Jews who have been victims of Islamic terror, and also visit Israel in massive numbers.

They may have been the bad guys years ago, KJ, but they are not the bad guys today. I forgive them for their prior anti-Semitism, and welcome their support and kindness today. I consider them friends and allies and am thankful they have become the people that they are.

Shouldn't you consider forgiving them as well? After all, you have not been unwilling to forgive progressives for the things that they've done wrong. Give the Religious Right some love, KJ.

Posted by: Madzionist at June 7, 2005 5:52 PM

Thank you, Madzionist.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 7, 2005 6:06 PM

And while I am at it, I have studied the history of my area of the US. There were 2 slaves in the area (about 20 counties) and both were "owned" by one wealthy family. The only slaves my family ever had were their own children who did the farm labor for generations. Also, there were very few Mexicans here (a large lie - recently told...about this being Mexican land in the past) there were a lot of Comanche Indians .

Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 7, 2005 6:12 PM

Thank you also, Madzionist.

Kj should also remember, most of those 'christians' probably voted in the Democrats who put the Jim Crow laws into place.

Hang in there, Robert. These people cannot stand the light of day, which you amply provide.

Posted by: Gary at June 7, 2005 6:19 PM

Mr Spencer,

I hope you are and remain well. I am a muslim and want to say that people like you are the ones who make a real difference.

I say this because I don't think that you are racist in any way but try to illuminate the difficulties this world faces. Only by facing it's difficulties head on will there be the change required to Islam.

Sure I will be regarded as a "traitor" to Allah by other muslims but I don't feel that because I am a target too.

For the people at RevivingIslam, I feel nothing, they are the "pure" and you can impart no knowledge to them.

It is people like IA and Shukri I feel sorry for. They will say this has nothing to with Islam and they are for peace, ...well if you are then "bloody speak out & take charge"...and the 1st step in not to be in denial.

Now to Catherine,.... she was mocking and condesending when I was highlighting my own fears and difficulties for my community's future in Pakistan....not so funny when it's closer to home is it Catherine.

Be safe everybody, it is our right as responsible beings.

Posted by: Naseem at June 7, 2005 6:27 PM

Oh Mad, of course I give them some love... (I'm a liberal, remember?) Just not very much.

They'll turn on Israel in a second. That worries me. Already their new Messiah, President Monkey is calling for Israel to "go back to pre-67 borders" or some nonesense. He IS the FIRST president in history to call for an independent "Palestinian State" whatever that means.

Don't forget the considerable influence still wielded by James "F*** the Jews; they don't vote for us" Baker. the personal attorney FOR the Saudis in the case brought against them by widows, orphans, and survivors of 9-11.

What do you think Dub would do for his bestest buds, the Saudis, if they offered him oil AT COST for five years? Think about that. The GOP is now more than ever a personality cult that revolves around President Gump... he's not even really a good conservative. A good conservative wouldn't have wasted the surplus, wouldn't give away tax billions to billionaires that AREN'T CREATING ANY JOBS, wouldn't go out nation building, wouldn't ignore Osama while chasing the only threat to Iran, Kuwait, and Saudi, wouldn't close military bases in the USA while building them in Iraqnam, wouldn't cut VA funding, etc. etc.

Just remember how those "evangelicals" treated their "fellow Christians" the black people back in the sixties. They turned on them like Bull Durham's dogs, started burning Beatles albums, and just towed the conservative party line... every night after the ABC news in North Carolina signed off (during the Civil Rights fight, David Brinkley had a segment on the day's events every night on ABC news) they had a news program called "Countering Brinkley's Lies" and the anchor regularly called the UNC Chapel Hill "University of Negroes and Communists"... around the time the democrats accepted equal rights for black people as part of their platform, he publicly quit the DNC and became a GOPer. The white folk of NC appreciated him sooo much that they sent him to the senate, and kept sending him, until two years ago. His name is Jesse Helms.

Now you know the rest of the story. If you know any Zionists of real influence, please advise them not to pour all their efforts and inroads into the GOP alone. One day the pendulum may swing the other way, and the winds of change in politics blow hard, and fast. The fact is that for now the leaders of the two major parties are pretty-much in agreement with most of Israel's situation... just finish the damn wall, and be done with the "palestinians". When they throw a rocket, answer with ten. Eventually they'll stop.

Jews, like the blacks, were denied admission to universities, businesses, law firms, and buying homes in certain communities. Not just in the deep south, but up north as well.

Yeah, this means a lot to me as a physicist... Dr. Feynman wrote in his autobiography "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynam!" that he applied to Princeton but was received a letter of denial saying that they had filled their quota of Jews and would accept no more.

This was probably during the tenure of (University) President Hall, who--according to Dr. Dershowitz in his "The Case For Israel" limited the number of Jews that could attend because, in his words, "Jews cheat." When it was pointed out that other students cheat too, he glibly replied "You're changing the subject. I was talking about Jews."

Anyway, again I ask you to remember that people can and do change their minds. I'd watch those "evengelicals" if I was you. They believe in the Revelation fairy tale, which says that eventually the whole world will turn it's back on Israel, and that Israel will be the center of a nuclear war or armageddon or somesuch... and THESE are the people that you're counting on?

And don't forget their hero of the century, Mel Gibson. He won't come right out and deny the Holocaust, but his dad does, and does so publicly. And Mad Mel says his dad never told a lie.

So... the far-right hate Jews and Israel because they've always hated Jews and everyone else, especially since Jews founded the NAACP and were so active in Civil Rights. Rememeber the Philadelphia Three? Do you recall that Reagan's FIRST campaign stop after winning the nomination in 1980 was in Philadelphia, Mississippi? With Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott--both also "former" democrats that switched during the Civil Rights era, whaddya know?--in tow. Do you recall the theme of his speech, like all of his McVeigh-inspiring speeches, was "The Big Federal Government Ruined Your Lives"... care to guess which particular recent federal legislation angered the all-white Mississippi GOP the most?

Now to make matters worse, the far left, which traditionally supported Jews and Judaica, at least in America, is coming down hard on Israel and bolstering the murderous "palestinians." This is because the "poor, mistreated" "palestinians" are suffering (though the Jews are not to blame) and the bleeding heart libs like me hate to see people suffer. AND the FAR left thinks that anything that ISN'T western, crony capitalism and anything that isn't Christianity HAS GOT to be better. Of course Islam isn't better than Christianity, not in any way.

Just as dried, crumbly dog sh*t doesnt' smell as bad as fresh, hot dog sh*t. And I don't want to be around either. Likewise, a scratched finger is MUCH preferable to an amputated arm, but I don't laugh in joy when I cut my finger.

Some people (I won't mention any names here) use every opportunity; every argument, every comment, every joke, every anecdote, to push their agenda, their cult, whatever. I found a great quote over at http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/toc.htm a website that argues for the repeal of consensual crime laws. It goes like this:

The partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions.

Which reminds me, Gary? Since the words "democrat" and "republican" can mean different things in different times, how about we phrase your graffiti in a more relevant way:

Gary should also remember, most of those 'christians' probably voted in the Conservatives who put the Jim Crow laws into place.

Now of course you will deny it 'til doomsday, but maybe you could check with the Bob Barr, Trent Lott, and Lester Maddox-endorsed Council Of Conservative Citizens and see how THEY define THEMSELVES as "conservatives."

cofcc.org

Sure, Huey P. Long, Strom, Al Gore, Sr., Byrd, Reagan, Helms--the list goes on and on--were racist conservative democrats at a time when pretty much the whole country was racist and the republicans were the party of the rich people. But the democrat party changed. Those that couldn't change with it jumped ship (Strom, Reagan, Lott, etc.) and those that could accept the fact that black people were human beings and deserved equal rights stayed (Byrd, Al Gore Jr., Clinton, etc.)

The republicans DID NOT make the Civil Rights Legislation... President Johnson signed it into law, and the senate sent it to him at his request. AND the Warren Supreme Court played a pivotal role as well.

Just remember, Mad Zionist... don't put all your eggs in one basket. Tell your friends.

Posted by: kj at June 7, 2005 7:03 PM

Be safe everybody, it is our right as responsible beings.

Posted by: Naseem at June 7, 2005 06:27 PM

I HAVE never found any of this funny I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MONSTERS KILLING CUTTING OFF PEOPLES HEADS AND RAPING CHILDERN!!!

NASSEEM YOU HAVE BEEN POSTING FOR A LONG TIME HERE AND HAVE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THESE MONSTERS THIS IS WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU!!!

IF YOU FEEL BRAVE ENOUGH TO THINK FOR YOURSELF AND TRY TO CATCH THESE KILLERS I WILL AS I ALWAYS POST FIGHT WITH THOSE WHO FIGHT WITH THE USA I HAVE NOT CHANGED YOU HAVE!!!!

IT IS YOUR FEAR THAT HAS CHANGED YOU!!

MR.Spencer has always know this would happen any one who has studied your history Knows this I believe Mr.Spencer took this into account before he started this sight!!

I believe He is Fighting as Heroic as our Men on the Battle Field the risk is the same and he has stepped up to the Chanlage what about you Nasseemm???

From what I read it is you who are living in Fear!!

I don't live in Fear I'm am Armmed I would help the police in my town hunt down the monster killers what about you nasseem??

The 2nd AMENDMENT AMERICA'S ORIGINAL HOMELAND SECURITY!!!!!

nasseemm you don't understand the American People just look at all the people who are American Tourist looking for that Young Woman in Aruba they could be hanging out on the Beach but NO they are trying to Help!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY[FREEDOM] TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT GIVE THE WORLD STRENGTH TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at June 7, 2005 7:21 PM

Surprised that King of Tolerance do not have any comments on this artcle. I bet he is consulting his Religion of Peace brothers about new taqiya strategy.

Posted by: buddha at June 7, 2005 7:22 PM

A must read article

Seems like all these death threats are very Islamic.

Read this article here. http://answeringislam.org/Authors/Arlandson/dead_poets.htm

I would cut and past some bits but I am just too busy. Someone can do that if they want.

Muhammad's Dead Poet Society

It lists some of the people who got assasinated because they were critical of Muhammad, the prophet of peace.

"poetess" especially should read that artical.

"33:59 Prophet, tell your wives your daughters, and women believers to make their outer garment hang low over them, so as to be recognized and not insulted [aa-dh-aa]: God is most forgiving, most merciful. 60 If the hypocrites, the sick of heart, and those who spread lies in the city {Medina] do not desist, We shall arouse you [Prophet] against them, and then they will only be your neighbors in this city for a short while. 61 They will be rejected wherever they are found, and then seized and killed. (Haleem)"

Posted by: Informed Christian at June 7, 2005 7:28 PM

Posted by: kj at June 7, 2005 07:03 PM

SO WHO YOU GOING TO FIGHT WITH LANTOS??

THE GUY WHO JUST WALKS OUT AND DOES NOTHING 2001 WALKED OUT OF A UN=LON=AL MEETING BUT IN 2003 SAID WE HAD TO DEPEND ON THESE SAME PEOPLE HE WALKED OUT ON YET TODAY STOOD ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE AND MADE PRETTY SPEACH TO A REPUBLICAN AMENDEMENT THAT WHO SACAITION THE UNs HATE SPEACH DREICTED AT ISAERL??

BUT THEN WHEN IT WOULD HAVE PASSED HE TABLED THE BILL??

IS THIS WHO YOU WOULD FIGHT WITH??

A MAN WHO TALKS PRETTY BUT DOES NOTHING??

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.
--Albert Einstein

WHEN I LOOK AT THE GRAVES WHO FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY AND FREED THE JEWS IN WW2 I SEE CROSSES AND STARS OF DAVID NO MOON!!!

JK YOU LIVE IN A FAIRY TAIL LAND YOU NEED TO WAKE UP AND YOU ARE FIGHTING THE WRONG PEOPLE!!

As for Mel he has giving a lot of money to help Jews!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY[FREEDOM] TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at June 7, 2005 7:40 PM

This "splitting brains in two" concept is one that USMC scout snipers are familiar with in their daily work in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I am privy to first hand accounts (let's just say, it's in the family) that will never be appropriate for discussions with anyone in any public venue such as the Internet. It is stuff that the jihadis by actual experience know is happening to them and that we all hope is happening to them but we can never, ever, know that it is happening. Let me put it this way: the issue is that once a belligerent party in a conflict with the US military decides that they are not going to abide by the law of war, the same law of war (Geneva Conventions, treaties, custom, etc.) allows the offended belligerent to dispense with its adherence themselves and the US military does indeed engage in operations that are deemed necessary to neutralize the threat posed by unlawful combatants in accordance with the "new rules" that the enemy himself defines by his own action. The decision to do so is never taken lightly and is done only when there is clear evidence that the enemy is acting outside the law of war. In short, when one decides to engage in belligerent acts outside the law of war with the US military, one can be certain that there will be, shall we say, "blowback".

Since the jihadi enemy in Afghanistan and Iraq chooses to frequently disregard the law of war, there is considerable blowback going on every day in those two TOs. I will never divulge the details so don't bother asking. Again, it's a family affair. It is certain however that such details will eventually see the light of day, but by that time it will be long after the jinn of jihad will have been brutally crammed back into its bottle and those of us who survive will be happily spoonfed in nursing homes.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at June 7, 2005 7:43 PM

Catherine -- there is absolutely nothing wrong and everything right with your outbursts of reasoned passion (I'm sure you don't need me to tell you).

Hulegu -- thank Allah for our "blowback" tactics and for our deft handling of them such that our PC Thought Police don't get all "morally outraged".

Posted by: metaxy at June 7, 2005 7:56 PM

These idiots at Reviving Islam are hilarious.

"Brothers and Sisters, beware for the kuffar are trying to infiltrate this forum en masse thanks to this son of a Jewish dog. As RevivingIslam gets press, more and more of them are attracted to coming here".

What the hell is a Jewish dog? How can they tell if a dog is Jewish, Muslim, or Christian?

By way of sniffing? Or do they just look for bombs strapped to their collars to recognize the Muslim dogs, and just wish death on the others?

Unbelievable ignorance.

Allah the most merciful, the one who will rip your spine from your body and split your brains in two, rinse, and repeat.

Posted by: Prickzilla at June 7, 2005 8:40 PM

kj writes: "Some people (I won't mention any names here) use every opportunity; every argument, every comment, every joke, every anecdote, to push their agenda, their cult, whatever."

You mean like the cult of atheism?

"This is why atheism is really the fastest growing religion." -- kj

Pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: dead_shot at June 7, 2005 8:42 PM

Has it occured to these muslim goatherds that Robert Spencer is simply one of MANY patriots out there, all of whom are engaged in the important work of properly nudging the sleepwalkers, coaxing them to wake up and smell the jihad?

New sites, devoted to exposing the ugly truth of islam, rise up every day. And there's not a thing the islamofascists can do about it.

In my opinion, the real Homeland Security begins on sites like these.

Posted by: dead_shot at June 7, 2005 9:00 PM

kj, you are correct, of course.

JFK was a conservative. One of my favorite presidents.

Night all!

Posted by: Gary at June 7, 2005 9:02 PM

Well, my attempt to infiltrate Reviving Islam failed. The account is banned because I came in and asked for validation without naming someone who could vouch for me. I'll try at some point, but that requires joining up with other Muslim noticeboards, developing a good rep for your persona, and then getting vouched for. It will take some time, of which I do not have much, but I think a 6 month time frame will do the trick. Some of my Muslim personas are well on their way to getting the necessary rep.

Posted by: Oggie Ben Doggie at June 7, 2005 9:16 PM

Thank you Informed Christian for the link. I have posted this story here to explain why I have this nic. My greates sorrow this past year was that none of the artists I know could understand what the death of Theo Van Gogh meant. But I am patient. It's been many years since the poetess died and now she has a voice again.

Robert may you be safe and sound,
and at peace when you walk
within the whirlwinds of the demon hordes.

demon hordes who want to be lords over all,
ancient tribes made weak by their inbred race,
feudal tribes, who always fight and intimidate,
perverted by their lust for power, their hate,
all the while showing, for all to see, a double face,
of peace and kumbaya, of theft, murder, lies and rape.
demon hordes,who follow the perfect pattern,
who follow the promises of a licentious god,
psychopathic vampires who crave the taste of blood.

“Demons enter through the gates of selfishness,
careless followers become their unwitting slaves,
suck the marrow from those who seek their service,
consume and lay waste the earth and all who dwell there.
Doubts, depression,nihilism,pride are their feeding ground,
a poisonous,hysterical,narrow dark space is their residue.”
from the Songs of Gesar of Ling

Posted by: the poetess at June 7, 2005 9:21 PM

kj seems to believe that all Christians walk in lock-step. I know I cannot change his mind, I don't know what happened to him to absolutely hate Christians, but I thought liberals were supposed to believe that you shouldn't generalize. Why do you think the black population was freed from slavery? The Christian churches led the way, whether you want to believe it or not. Christians are hated these days because believers in abortion think we will take away their right to butcher their offspring. I for one think they should abort away, they will have to answer for it. If you don't believe like I do, what do you care about how I see you? If you don't believe in my heaven or hell, it shouldn't bother you to hear that I think you might stand before a just and Holy G-d.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 7, 2005 9:22 PM

Oh, other detail: they moved servers. THey are based in Hongkong now.

Posted by: Oggie Ben Doggie at June 7, 2005 9:25 PM

Sounds like someone has been watching too many "Alien" sequels.

I guess the threatener will now return to his regular gig of kicking puppies and putting out matches on the irridescent wings of butterflies.

Mr. S-

Watch your back, carry (pepper spray at hand and a .25 semi in an ankle holster are handy for those infestations of pesky jihadist parasites), and report terroristic threats to the FBI.

(A minimally protective vest can be cobbled together out of a batch of free Korans from CAIR, and some duct tape.)

Posted by: BigSleep at June 7, 2005 9:32 PM

KJ,

I think you missed the point of my post. I was not making a political speech, I was making a point about understanding and forgiveness. This is not the time or place for debating the Welfare State vs. Supply Side Economics; or, the pros and cons of George W. Bush.

I assure you I do not put all my eggs in one basket regarding Israel or anti-Semitism. I left the Democrats in 1996 when I saw they were becoming more and more sympathetic to the Palestinians and Yassir Arafat.

I also left them because I noticed they were now the racist party; using racial preferences for hiring policies and university admissions.

Today, the reality on the ground is the Religious Right is pro-Israel and a friend of the Jews. They are also virulently opposed to appeasing Islam. The Left is the exact opposite on all counts.

However, KJ, rest assured that if the Christian Right reverted to anti-Semitism and racism, and the Left became pro-Israel and anti racial quotas, I assure you I wouldn't stay with those who turned on me.

So, KJ, why exactly do you stay loyal to the Left? Listen to your advice, my friend: Don't keep all your eggs in that basket on the Left. It's not the 60's anymore; you can let it go.

And be sure to tell your friends!

Posted by: Madzionist at June 7, 2005 9:33 PM

"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again"

Brain envy is a horrible thing.

Posted by: obl r us at June 7, 2005 9:38 PM

Well said dead_shot re kj. kj bags evangelical Christians, yet he forgets that all are a bunch of sinners (including liberal academics) and hence we get things wrong (including the liberals – look at our immigration laws that allow anybody in, including enemies of the state) - The fact that killing goes against everything the NT stands for kj ignores, oh and that God did do his own "dirty work" - have a read of the OT kj - you will see Jesus leading the way in front of Joshua's taking of the holy land, or in Noah's flood.

KJ also seems to forget, that unlike the Bible of atheism - EVOLUTION, the Christian Bible doesn't mention the words "Race" in the Social Darwinian concept (except the NIV - written after this word permeated our culture – in the 70’s and 60’s, you won't find it in the original Hebrew or Greek, or KJV for that matter).

Rather the terms "flesh and blood" are used- as we are all equal - from Adam and Eve. No “race” is better than another - the Bible teaches that. There is only ONE race – the HUMAN race! Pity about the "science" of Evolution though – Darwin and many academics who followed didn’t think so. Hence evolution allowed for slavery, killing of “inferior” races etc. It gave people of all persuasions the excuse they were looking for.

It was the atheist who invented the concept that one "race" was better than another (what does the plain English word race mean? Gee I dunno - somebody wins and somebody loses survival of the fittest!).

Yes Christians swallowed it because "science" "proved" that the world wasn't created in 6 days, and that there is "no god", and that we “evolved” from pond scum. So many white folk believed Darwin’s concept of races - and "survival of the fittest" - Christians (who didn't read their Bible and believe it) not EXcluded!

The result - the systematic holocaust of people world wide. By “good” non god fearing atheists like Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Marx, Castro, Mussolini, Kaiser Wilhelm (all of whom were avid “fans” of Darwin) and the list goes on and on and on. Darwin would be proud I'm sure, that people kill others as they would an animal (after all we are animals right?).

KJ – don’t worry about God doing his own killing – I’m sure you will see him in action (not through men) during your lifetime.

Mad Zionist – My wife and I are Christian gentiles, but I have had to ‘stop’ her from numerous occasions from wanting to go to Israel (during the bombings) and she even wants to live there. Why? Because we both see that the Jews are God’s people (sorry IA and Shukri – NOT!!) and God ain’t finished with them or Israel yet. In the mean time we support Israel financially and through education others.

Oh and KJ – don’t worry about the evangelical Christians turning on Israel, we will be watching that happen from heaven – chances are – while you’re stuck here on earth (which I wouldn’t wish upon my worst enemy when that time comes).

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at June 7, 2005 9:52 PM

Carolyn asked kj rhetorically: "Why do you think the black population was freed from slavery? The Christian churches led the way, whether you want to believe it or not."

Not only that, Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Baptist Christian who PREACHED the Gospel.

Posted by: metaxy at June 7, 2005 9:56 PM

"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again"

Not a very intelligent person behind those words. I am not so literate in Muslim discoveries but I don't believe that they "invented" Mathematics, as was posted above. I believe it was discovered by the Persians, however, before Islam was even invented. Besides sowing hate, despair, burqas, stonings and a lot of crude oil, what has the Muslim world contributed to the betterment of mankind? I stand ready to be surprised if there is even one contribution of worth.

Posted by: ivehadenuff at June 7, 2005 10:23 PM

RS, as for self-defense, consider something with a little more stopping power. A snub-nosed revolver (like a S&W j-frame) carrying .357 magnum rounds will fit snugly on your ankle and will work wonders, at close range. You can even snap on a laser-grip for pin-point targeting.

Steer clear of .38s and other pea-shooters as their accuracy and stopping ability tends to be suspect. I say this in light of some historical background to consider...

Flashback: the U.S. Military, when it was still largely a "frontier" fighting force, had replaced the famous Peacemaker and adopted the "New Army Double Action Revolver" that fired .38 Long Colts. Six-shooter, well-designed and reliable...

...until, of course, the Americans met up with the Moros of the southern Philippines, early 20th century.

The Moros--followers of Mohammed (pig shit be upon him!)--nurtured an all-too familiar death cult, known then as the "juramentado" or "sabil-allah." This was the predecesor of your modern-day homicide bomber, except the juramentado prefered strapping razor-sharp knives to his hands and whirling like a human guillotine through crowds of Christians, yelling "Mag Sabil" and "Allah Akbar" as he left body parts on his way to "paradise."

Sulu and Mindanao had been virtual kill-zones for centuries. The Americans, who occupied Mindanao and Sulu at the time, were now discovering what Spaniards like Arolas and Claveira had known all along.

The U.S. Army complained that it took as much as a full cylinder load to kill the Koran-inspired fanatic, hence the origin of the word "amok."

Sometimes even a full cylinder load didn't work.

Thereafter, Washington had the Ordnance Dept re-issue and refurbish some old .45s, and from then on, the pacification of Asia's wildest muslims began in earnest.

End of history lesson.

My point--unless you can hit the jihadi between the eyes, opt for a .45, perhaps a Model 1911 (very few moving parts).

Posted by: dead_shot at June 7, 2005 10:57 PM

"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again"

Which begs the obvious question: So what happens if Allah doesn't?

And no, having "holy hitmen" do it for Allah a la Theo van Gogh won't do. If a Muslim prays to Allah to kill Spencer, but another Muslim person does the actual killing, wouldn't this be tauntamount to a Muslim person equating him/herself with Allah, which is the ultimate blasphemous act (i.e. shirk) in Islam?

Besides, as this RevivingMuslim wrote right afterwards...

"And Allah is capable of all things."

So let the test of Allah's capabilities begin. Let us see if Allah (and not a human hitman) will really kill Spencer in the manner RevivingIslam prayed.

How vindicated RevivingIslam would be should Allah's holy hands reach out from Paradise to inflict their desired gruesome death. Heck, even I'd be convinced of Allah's divinely-destructive capabilities.

However, if Allah not only spares Spencer, but allows him to flourish (inshallah)...then surely it's back to the theological drawing board for RevivingIslam and those who believe like them.

Let The Almighty Allah Who Knows Best Do What Is Best.

Posted by: yadayada at June 7, 2005 11:25 PM

"They will hate you because they first hated Me." -Jesus

Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 7, 2005 11:25 PM

Has it occured to these muslim goatherds that Robert Spencer is simply one of MANY patriots out there, all of whom are engaged in the important work of properly nudging the sleepwalkers, coaxing them to wake up and smell the jihad?

Posted by: dead_shot at June 7, 2005 09:00 PM

No. That would require them to engage in an activity they do neither often nor well..critical thinking.

Posted by: PRCS at June 7, 2005 11:56 PM

It's way too late in the evening to read through 50 some comments but I scrolled through checking the poster names and it still seems to be the same 20-something or so names. I know there are many "lurkers" on this site - people who for some reason or another have never had the courage to post. (I can understand that, given the expertise about Islam that so many regular posters display). I wish, though, that in situations like this, the "lurkers" would appreciate how important it is just to post something - anything - in support of Mr. Spencer. It shouldn't always be up to the same handful of folks to deal with this madness. Sheer moral support has to mean something, and where this particular threat is concerned, strength in numbers surely means something.

That said, however, what strikes me again and again about these jihadi 'outbursts', shall we call them? - is the manner in which they hide behind and invoke "Allah" while they so transparently express their own, very human amd very violent fantasies. Jeez - has the Islamic world never heard of Sigmund Freud? It sure would seem so.

e.g "May Allah rip out his spine". (Pardon moi sir, but is it not YOU who wishes to rip out his spine? What is the point of "May Allah"? -if I may be so bold as to ask?)

"And Allah is capable of all things." - Count me a bit confused but is Allah capable of ripping out Mr. Spencer's spine or does he not need your help to accomplish that task and if he does need your help, then are you remotely capable of discerning cause and effect? i.e. YOUR hands - Mr. Spencer's spine. Where precisely does "Allah" fit into this?)

Well, so obviously it is all quite mad, as in insane, as in something from the Twilight Zone.

But sometimes it's so darned funny that one has to laugh - e.g. " this son of a Jewish dog", along with the secretive conspiracy tones that remind me of the games I used to play with my siblings when we were like seven years old and we tried stringing together empty paper towel and empty toilet roll cardboard, so we could whisper to eachother:

Pssst: Sister Talibah, can you hear me? (that's when we break out into giggles)...

"Psst" (in hushed whispers): "Brothers and Sisters, beware for the kuffar are trying to infiltrate this forum" (again, we break out into giggles)..

Look - I know it's deadly serious, but the absurdity of dealing with homidicidal seven years olds is just too much to take sometimes. The sheer insanity of it is enough to make one laugh. But then thank God for humor. It's a human response. If Muslims had any sense of humor, they'd surely be laughing their asses off right now - at themselves.

Posted by: Caroline at June 8, 2005 12:04 AM

According to this site "Jihad is not terrorism" and muslims can't be terrorists. Another oh brother moment

http://www.muslimaccess.com/discussions/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=22&TopicID=995&PagePosition=1

Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 8, 2005 12:11 AM

("According to this site "Jihad is not terrorism" and muslims can't be terrorists. Another oh brother moment")-Carolyn.

Yes, it is a beauty of a site. Check out this gem.

"In combating terrorism and protecting society against its evil consequences, Islam is a trail-blazer."

Yep. moslems are sure doing a great job of protecting us from terrorism.

Posted by: Madzionist at June 8, 2005 12:51 AM

Okay, so this piece is a bit dated, but worth a read if only to roll your eyes.

File it under "Allah's Goon Squad" (zombies always needed).

Kidneys for Rushdie's Head
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/not_in_website/syndication/monitoring/media_reports/582481.stm

Teaser: "In the wake of this campaign, hundreds of Basij volunteers and other Muslim people of our country filled special forms, promising to sell one of their kidneys so as to offer financial assistance to anyone who carries out Imam Khomeyni's fatwa."

Get that magnum, Mr. Spencer.

Posted by: dead_shot at June 8, 2005 1:34 AM

Okay, so this piece is a bit dated, but worth a read if only to roll your eyes.

File it under "Allah's Goon Squad" (zombies always needed).

Kidneys for Rushdie's Head
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/not_in_website/syndication/monitoring/media_reports/582481.stm

Teaser: "In the wake of this campaign, hundreds of Basij volunteers and other Muslim people of our country filled special forms, promising to sell one of their kidneys so as to offer financial assistance to anyone who carries out Imam Khomeyni's fatwa."

Get that magnum, Mr. Spencer.

Posted by: dead_shot at June 8, 2005 1:35 AM

My apologies for the double post.

Posted by: dead_shot at June 8, 2005 1:37 AM

dear mr. spencer, just want to express my support and concern for your well being. i have your book as well as others by emerson, pipes, gold, timmerman, fallaci and others but i dont post often as i feel intimidated by your other posters who are obviously much more knowledgeable than i. but i needed to voice my support and this is my favorite site on the subject at hand. you know you are on the right track when you elicit such responses. god may have spoken to mohammed as he did to other prophets but obviously he didnt translate it very well as i think he says more or less the same thing to anyone who asks sincerely. also god said judge not lest we be judged but apparently the muslims havent learned to live and let live. they are really a scary lot.

Posted by: dms at June 8, 2005 1:47 AM

This is as good a place to pose this general question as any:

Wouldn't it be cool if Mr. Spencer set up a Discussion Forum at this site, so we could all engage with each other more? This current set-up I think tends to inhibit ongoing discussion, because each thread gets buried so soon under new threads, and I think a lot of posters just stop bothering to continue their discussions.

I propose that we petition Mr. Spencer to set up a little Discussion Board here, separate from the daily jihadwatch and dhimmitwatch threads. How about it?

I enjoy this forum and reading all your responses -- it encourages me greatly to know how many rational people there are out there after experiencing so many exasperating PC Leftists who are either ignorant of the problem of Islam or in denial of it. It makes me want to see, and participate more in, more discussions at length with some of you.

- metaxy

Posted by: metaxy at June 8, 2005 2:45 AM

Caroline,

Good post. Every poster here was a potential poster at one time or another.

We should start a contest. The phrase 'this son of a Jewish dog' just doesn't carry that much weight, and I think it could be considerably jazzed up. How long and ridiculous could that phrase become?

How about 'this kufr son of a filthy Jewish dog' to start. It's ripe for the addition of many, many adjectives.

Carolyn2, most of those sites ARE pretty goofy, and, I suspect, unintentionally funny.

Posted by: PRCS at June 8, 2005 2:47 AM

gets my vote

Posted by: dms at June 8, 2005 2:49 AM

sorry, my post was directed to metaxy

Posted by: dms at June 8, 2005 2:53 AM

DMS,

Don't be sorry.

Metaxy. I like the discussion section at the Americans for Legal Immigration site.

Something like that?

Posted by: PRCS at June 8, 2005 3:04 AM

Mr Spencer, there comes a time in ones life where you do what is right, you are doing that and we are thankful that someone is holding the torch. Because of Islam's nature you have to take these sort of death threats seriously, however do not let it deflect you from your purpose. This is a great resource and I enjoy reading the articles and posts of the contributors.

Let me now use a good bit of English humour on KinTolerances post in reply to the above.

Screw-loose juvenile Muslim says: May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again. May He put this friend of shaytaan in the worst part of jahannum. Ameen.

KinTolerance says: He is misunderstood, this is a secular moderate muslim who is venting his spleen at your attacks on the religion of peace, this is his way of showing his internal jihad he does not mean he will rip out your spine, he is offering to give you a back massage, by saying he is going to split your brain in two he merely offering to put a parting in your hair that is all. He is misunderstood, this peace loving respectful honorable Muslim.

Over to you KinTolerance...

Posted by: Daffersd at June 8, 2005 3:18 AM

kj:

as a republican i would just like to say 'thank you' for being you!

when howard dean was candidating to head the Democratic Nat. Committee & said "i hate republicans and everything they stand for", i was ecstatic! just think how many republicans were created by that one statement! ;o)

so keep up the good work & say 'hi' to howard dean for me, we republicans LOVE you guys!!! ;o)

Posted by: fishboy at June 8, 2005 4:14 AM

robert:

i really appreciate this site & what you do. will be praying for your safety. may God protect and keep you & yours!

madzionist:

i am a conservative evangelical christian and you are right, all the c.e.c.'s i know love israel & the jewish people.

Posted by: fishboy at June 8, 2005 4:19 AM

I would like to make an undertaking: if for any reason - and I mean any reason, not just violence, just Mr.Spencer and Ms.Bynum getting tired or having a better job or changing their minds - these two blogs go offline, I will personally set up two more on the same subject. I think a few of us should make the same pledge, so that even Islamic morons should understand that violence or its threat will not diminish but increase the number of opponents.

Posted by: Paolo at June 8, 2005 4:56 AM

When I was at school in the 60s we listened to pirate radio a lot as the then BBC Light Programme played almost no pop music. While twiddling my dial I frequently stayed to listen to the half hour English language broadcast of Radio Tirana from Albania. At that time they hated everybody, US, Ussr, Europe, except North Korea. The phrase that stuck in my mind was imperialist running dog lackies. Sometimes varied to yellow dog. Quite why the golden labrador or retriever should be singled out for such opprobrium I don't know.

I suggest spineless yellow infidel running dog lackey of shaytaan.

There will come a time when Mr Spencer takes his work further, more lecture and writing so it is good to know that there will be others willing to carry on developing the internet side of the work. I pray for the wellbeing of all of us.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 8, 2005 5:18 AM

I don't always see the most recent posts until late which is why I am often 2/3 remarks late.

Daffersd :-)
'king is avoiding this thread for some reason. Come on don't be scared, Who's a pretty boy then?

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 8, 2005 5:29 AM

Paolo I agree - the more the websites - the more those who lecture publically, the better. Maybe then, more people will actually be able to stand for parliament (like the Dutch Polly who the Muslims murdered), and make a difference (if they live).

If the word gets out, then weight of numbers will make our short sighted politicians listen.

I really fear that if we don't get some real leadership in the "West", then the bloodshed down the track will not be in some remote place like Afghanistan or Iraq, but the front line will be in our own living rooms.

If only it could be "nipped in the bud" now via information - it will save a lot of ammo being spent later.

Unfortunately I don't see it happening (on a governmental level)

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at June 8, 2005 5:37 AM

Ooooooo, 'May Allah rip out his spine...' ooooo I luv it when they talk dirty! "...and do it over and over again". Oooooo that's so wicious!

Seriously, could these people be any more emotionally underdeveloped? What you are dealing with here is an adult with an adult's power to lay waste, but with the emotional stability of an eight-year-old. Or less. And these are the people who speak for Islam. I'm sure all Muslims are not as emotionally unstable and vindictive as this man but a lot are and the aspects of Islam that forbid delving into the ethos driving Islam's adherents prevent any growth or maturity.

Posted by: foreign devil at June 8, 2005 5:45 AM

I am a secular non-religious European and I love Israel and the Jewish people, who I have always seen as a people fighting for their lives against implacable foes intent on their destruction.

Everytime Israelis get killed I grieve for them, I actually cried seeing a picture of a dead Israeli child taken off of a bus, everytime the Israeli's kill one of these murdering facists I celebrate, I have little or no respect for the Palestinians and never will, they lost any sympathy I had for them with the burchering of those Israeli's in that PA jail when the jihadits stormed the jail and beat them to death. The picture of that thug holding his blood stained hands out of the window to the crowds below is etched in my mind.

Granny Weatherwax, he certainly is running scared the perfumed popinjay.

Posted by: Daffersd at June 8, 2005 6:29 AM

'And with Allah lies all success.'

or is it:

And with Allah all success is lies.

Posted by: Gary at June 8, 2005 7:21 AM

Mr. Spencer;
Take the threats seriously and follow the precautions named above but by all means do not let them scare you. I have been there myself.
I also want to compliment you for the good work that is been done on this site.

Posted by: boma at June 8, 2005 9:39 AM

Carolyn asked kj rhetorically: "Why do you think the black population was freed from slavery? The Christian churches led the way, whether you want to believe it or not."

You're half right... Northern Christians led the way. People like John Brown led the way. Those good Christians have my deepest respect, and I am grateful for them and thankful for what they did. But please don't pretend that the southern Christians were all for abolition.

Not only that, Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Baptist Christian who PREACHED the Gospel.

Yes, and he was a liberal too. And he questioned to prevailing consensus. And he stood up against white, Christian, conservatives. And he fought the racist southern democrats.

Take a guess: which party would MLK align himself with if he was alive NOW? (Hint: check what the Civil Rights activists of that era that are still alive are doing now.)

And, just like all other black liberals, you can bet your bottom dollar that Rush Limbaugh would imitate him in his "dumb neegro" voice, just like he does Jesse Jackson and Jocelyn Elders.

Don't worry Carolyn. You can keep pretending that it was conservatives that freed the slaves, fought for civil rights, and fought King George. And of course liberals killed Jesus, ran apartheid South Africa, and bombed us on 09-11.

BTW I'm not really an atheist.. .I'm more like agnostic, or if you prefer, "between religions."

Posted by: kj at June 8, 2005 10:10 AM

Spineless yellow kufr son of a filthy Jewish infidel running dog lacky of Shaytaan!

Posted by: Caroline at June 8, 2005 10:27 AM

["I am a secular non-religious European and I love Israel and the Jewish people, who I have always seen as a people fighting for their lives against implacable foes intent on their destruction."] -Daffersd

Unfortunately, this is not a statement we hear from secular Europeans very often any more. You have courage and wisdom far beyond the secular, leftist do-gooder majority you undoubtably must regularly endure. Like I said to KJ, keep fighting their efforts to libel Israel, and thank you for supporting Israel and the Jews under such
difficult circumstances.

Posted by: Madzionist at June 8, 2005 10:29 AM

It is intolerable that such threats as that against Robert Spencer can be made in the United States. Those responsible should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. And if the full extent isn't sufficient to put a stop to it, we should consider strengthening our laws to make sure that it will be.

Posted by: Patrick at June 8, 2005 11:20 AM

KJ has a good gun suggestion but even more important that which weapon to use is what load to use. Use Hornady TAP loads and only hit them once. Don't take such threats lightly. These 'people?' are certifable nuts.

Hornady TAP
http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=149
Handgun
9mm, 124 gr. TAP-FPD
9mm, 147 gr. TAP-FPD
40 S&W, 155 gr. TAP-FPD
40 S&W, 180 gr. TAP-FPD
45 ACP, 200 gr. TAP-FPD
45 ACP, 230 gr. TAP-FPD

Did the'authorities' DO anything? As I doubt it then it is time for anyone threatened to protect themselves.

Posted by: Katherine at June 8, 2005 12:12 PM

Thanks dsm.

PRCS,

Yeah, the discussion forum at the site you mentioned looks good. Those kinds of discussion forum formats are quite common all over the Internet. I hope Mr. Spencer will some day set one up here so that our discussions can continue without being technically connected to threads that automatically get bumped down by the daily addition of new jihadwatch stories.

Posted by: metaxy at June 8, 2005 12:15 PM

kj,

You seem to be on the right page concerning the overall problem of Islam. I just hope you rationally apportion out the different degrees of pathology: on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the worst in religious pathology:

Muslims -- 10

Reasonable Agnostics like kj -- 0

Evangelical born-again right-wingers (or whatever labels you want to call this faction) -- 3.

Note: the reason I give such a low score to the born-againers is three-fold:

1) Their inherent doctrines & opinions are less pathological than those in mainstream Islam (though not a 3 in relation to a 10 -- more like a 7 in relation to a 10)

2) Their behaviors are FAR less pathological than those in mainstream Islam

3) The vast majority of them have learned to live and behave in the context of a modern secular sociopolitical culture, and the worst that 99.9% of them do is gripe and whine and maybe boycott a movie or a book or TV show now and then, etc. Besides, even if they do get too flakey, the surrounding sociopolitcal culture of the modern secular West keeps them in check (whereas the surrounding cultures in various Muslim regions tends to nourish such pathologies -- even when they might have have tyrants who at times round up Muslim extremists and torture them in prison cells, etc.)

The Point: most people in comparing "bad" Christians with bad Muslims fail to factor in the significance of #2 and #3 above. Thus most people are treating this comparison in the abstract, instead of dealing with the actual concrete realities of the two contexts being compared.

Posted by: metaxy at June 8, 2005 12:24 PM

metaxy,

I don't mean to jump into your post to KJ, but I want to express my dismay for the tendancy of liberals to attack the Christian Right as if they are either morons or dangerous zealots.

You did make a nice effort to soften the hostility KJ and his ilk shows towards the Religious Right, and that was certainly nice to see. Any crack in wall of hate agnostics and liberal Christians feel towards the Right is a positive development, and for helping do that you should be commended.

Unfortunately, the underlying point you drive home is that the only acceptable outlook on life is the liberal/agnostic one. This is very condescending to those who are religious conservatives who strive to lead the most upstanding, healthy, compassionate and moral lives they possibly can.

I realize you and KJ share an opinion or a belief that organized religion is more harmful than good, and nobody begrudges you that right, but when you become agnostics activists who disrespect everyone who is not, that in fact makes you the very thing you hate about the Religious Right: Fundamentalists.

Only you are fundamentalist liberals not fundamentalist Christians, but the mindset is no different. Think about it. You look at devout Christians as unenlightened fools, and believe the world would be much better off if they believed the way you do instead. You spend tremendous energy trying to persuade those who disagree with you that they are following a doomed path and that they must open up their hearts and minds to your ideology.

Yes, you can site historical actions by devout Christians that were deplorable. Yes, you can make a case for the things that agnostics or atheists may have accomplished that you feel proves your case.

However, the conversation could very easily be reversed, and Christians could just as strongly site the many cases where agnostic and atheist liberals have done horrible things to society, and Christians have been on the side of goodness.

The point is this: You aren't wrong to say atheists and agnostics are historically good; you aren't wrong to say agnostics and atheists are bad; you aren't wrong to say devout Christians have been good; you aren't wrong to say devout Christians have been bad.

The difference? The Religious Right is, by and large, more willing to own up to their historical mistakes and wrongdoings, while the secularists continue to dismiss any culpability for their past harmful and immoral actions.

So, KJ and metaxy, just keep in mind that your house is made of glass, and stones can be thrown both ways. Today the Christian Right is doing the right things (opposing islam and anti-Semitism), while the Secular Left is in the midst of appeasing evil (islam) and scapegoating Jews. Open your minds and hearts, my liberal friends.

Posted by: Madzionist at June 8, 2005 2:19 PM

metaxy:

i disagree with your ranking of kj & his ilk as a 0 on the pathology scale for two reasons:

1) liberals today openly espouse hatred of christians etc. consider howard dean's "i hate republicans" statement, made while candidating & which got him the job as head of the democratic national committee;

2) liberals are busily criminalizing policy differences, e.g. the U.N.'s recent "thou shalt not say anything disparaging about islam" decision, france's "thou shalt not offend a liberal secularist by wearing a cross or star or hijab" law, and canada's "thou shalt not discuss facts contrary to the liberal view of homosexuality, such as the fact that it is not and never will be physiologically natural or normal" law.

no, liberal secularists currently rank at about a 4 or 5 on the pathology scale, sorry to say ...

Posted by: fishboy at June 8, 2005 2:21 PM

kj, do you truly believe that geographic location influences people's morality? Who, kj opposed school bussing more than Boston, Mass.? Last time I looked Boston was north of the Mason Dixon line. I don't think all northeners are bad people because of what some did in Boston. My family has been in the southwest for generations, and better people you will not find anywhere. Most Christians just work, live and die just like you, kj. We don't rub our hands with glee hoping to ruin someone's fun. Are you saying that no southern churches helped end slavery?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 8, 2005 3:29 PM

I've deleted my comments after a moment of reflection. I did so because I heard Spencer's voice of reason somewhere in the darkness of my mind. I'm never going to be a good guy, but thanks to Spencer I'm a better guy than I have been. I find myself slipping back again to my real self, so I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: sonofwalker at June 8, 2005 4:25 PM

Right on, Madzionist. Let's not forget that "open-minded" model of secular tolerance, the destructive atheist Michael Newdow, and his bull-headed attempts to scrub all references to God from the public square (Newdow obviously doesn't know the difference between "freedom of religion" and "freedom FROM religion").

Of course, we won't mention the George Soros-funded ACLU--the height of leftist lunacy--and their crusade to protect a pedophile's right to abuse little boys (NAMBLA).

All of this, including abortion on demand, legalized drugs, sodomy, same-sex "marriage" and a host of other lefty social projects would become reality if they succeed in blasting God and religion out of American culture.

God and judgement: two annoying obstacles to a liberal/secular dream world.

Both the left and the right can lay their cards on the table and when all is said and done, any reasonable person can see that the most destructive forces operating in America today are fueled by the secular loony left.

Posted by: dead_shot at June 8, 2005 8:39 PM

Madzionist and fishboy:

Sorry, I didn't make clear that my ranking of kj as a "0" on my scale was somewhat sarcastic: I was trying to get him to see my point by being generous (since I'm sure he sees himself as a "0" on that scale).

I also didn't make clear enough, apparently, that the "7" type Christians I was referring to would be the most egregious types (the types that go on and on about the End of the World just around the corner and which tend to merge over into the David Koresh types), not the general body of Evangelicals & other non-denominational type Protestant Americans.

The general body of Evangelicals & other non-denominational type Protestant Americans I do not agree with, but I consider them to be for the most part mature and well-behaved citizens of the USA who may gripe and groan about the dominance of modern secularism, and they have every right to gripe and groan as well as offer constructive criticism and work toward making society better as they see it -- precisely because they are mature enough to work toward that goal in a lawful way.

Since Evangelicals & other non-denominational type Protestant Americans represent a minority (a large one, but still a minority) of Christians in the West, and since most of the remaining types of Christians are even MORE accepting of modern secular values (including the dignity of doubt and skepticism and keeping your nose out of other people's business, etc.), this makes the full population of Western Christians (a very diverse population, including Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox and each of these three splintered into hundreds of shades of types) not only "acceptable" but a positive contribution to our modern West.

Not only can none of these positive attributes be said of Muslims in the West (well, maybe a tiny portion of them), but Muslims belong to a trans-national culture that is actually hostile not only to the pre-modern Christian West of old, but also hostile to the modern secular West.

As for liberals in general, I divide them into two groups:

1) True classical liberals who have the sense to see Islam as hopelessly anti-liberal

2) Leftists, who are irrational idiots who are defending Islam at every turn.

Sadly, with regard to the issue of the problem of Islam, the #1 type of liberal is a tiny minority now, while the #2 type seems to represent the vast majority.

Posted by: metaxy at June 8, 2005 9:59 PM

metaxy:

oops! now i get your post!
guess i'm a little slow these days :o)

thanks for clarifying, take care!

Posted by: fishboy at June 9, 2005 1:26 AM

God bless you Mr. Spencer for you bravery and contribution to humanity freedom and peace. You will go down in history as a true hero. Thank you.

Posted by: bigdoor at June 9, 2005 10:13 AM

(A minimally protective vest can be cobbled together out of a batch of free Korans from CAIR, and some duct tape.)

Posted by: BigSleep

LOLS!

Brain envy is a horrible thing.

Posted by: obl r us

ROFL!!!!

Wouldn't it be cool if Mr. Spencer set up a Discussion Forum at this site, so we could all engage with each other more? This current set-up I think tends to inhibit ongoing discussion, because each thread gets buried so soon under new threads, and I think a lot of posters just stop bothering to continue their discussions.

I propose that we petition Mr. Spencer to set up a little Discussion Board here, separate from the daily jihadwatch and dhimmitwatch threads. How about it?

Posted by: metaxy

I agree

so keep up the good work & say 'hi' to howard dean for me, we republicans LOVE you guys!!! ;o)

Posted by: fishboy

fishboy? I have wondered if Dean isn't secretly working for the Republicans

Either that - or God is answering a lot of Republican prayers - lols!

Say a prayer for Robert [alone - and with all of your heart....to you Christians]

Mat 6:6 When thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Posted by: Beth at June 10, 2005 3:32 AM