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The video that I posted below of American Muslims stomping on and then ripping up an American flag comes from a New York-based Muslim group called the Islamic Thinkers Society. According to "Not just another Jihadi face: The Islamic Thinkers Society - Al Muhajiroun's identical twin in NYC" in Militant Islam Monitor, the Islamic Thinkers Society is an American offshoot of the now-disbanded British jihadist group Al-Muhajiroun:
The radical Islamist Al Muhajiroun, appears to have surfaced in Queens under the oxymoronic name of the Islamic Thinkers Society aka Intellectual Thinkers Society. The groups North American spokesman, Kamran Bokhari, is now working as a strategic analyst for Statfor - Strategic Forecasting Inc. run by George Friedman. Stratfor who also employs ex government counter terrorism analysts has dubbed Bokhari their "in house Jihadi"
A little background on Al-Muhajiroun:
British Muslim kids told: Be a suicide bomber
Britain: flag burnt as extremists cheer bin Laden
Muslim cleric says attack on London "inevitable"
Militants in Europe Openly Call for Jihad and the Rule of Islam
The obligation of inciting religious hatred
UPDATE: The original link has been taken down. I have now linked to the video at the Intelligence Summit site, at their kind invitation.
Posted by Robert at June 8, 2005 12:31 PM
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I can't say I'm surprised by any of this. Thanks for the information, Robert.
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at June 8, 2005 12:51 PM
I have a question for Mr. Spencer or anyone else: from the audio recording (that's all I know, since my computer can't show video), the ranting going on sounds like there is a lot of Arabic being shouted. Am I wrong? Thus, there must have been a couple of Arabic speakers among the demonstrators, no?
(PS: Zico, thanks for the info (from the previous related thread about this), and this latest post of Mr. Spencer's confirms that the two (the video and the audio I heard) are the same.)
at June 8, 2005 1:16 PM
It takes a lot of "intellect" and "thinking" to stomp on or burn a flag and stand in the street screaming nonsense. The next stage of this rabid behavior is shooting their guns in the "air" in celebration of whatever.
I would hope the real Americans in neighborhoods where this happens have loud, noisy celebrations on Flag Day, 4th of July, Memorial and Veterans Days, etc. to 'offset' this bullshit. Just a few rowdy block parties with tubs and kegs of beer might do the trick with ear busting patriot songs played hour after hour.
Damn, I wish we had a short term law allowing these idiots to be rounded up and shipped back to wherever it is they think so perfect for their revered bodies and piss green books.
Posted by: bj at June 8, 2005 1:19 PM
metaxy, any idiot can learn a few phrases of liturgic Farsi or whatever dialect to scream at the tops of their lungs. It's easy to repeat the same words over and over. With American or English accents the words can sound very different each time.
Posted by: bj at June 8, 2005 1:21 PM
Thanks for the information, Robert.
Posted by: Foehammer
I second that - Thank you Robert
The very thing that is spreading Islam - is its preachers. They're skilled in drafting new comers.
Those of you who bash the Bible - are bashing a Book that also offers that which many seekers are finding in Islam - 'answers' [even if they're lies]
Mankind will always look for God - and no one can ever stop that from happening.
There are not enough atheists - nor will there ever be.
That only leaves one other option:
Fight 'fire' with 'Fire'
Muhammad calls the Son of God an abomination and ALL of the prophets and apostles - liars.
Any self-professing Christian person or group who supports Palestine - is not a true Christian - even if they say so - til blue in the face.
The Christan's Lord already condemned Palestine - a LONG time ago:
Exd 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina. Song of Moses - the saints 'sing' this song} Rev 15:3
Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD?
For the record - Muhammad forgot to mention Palestine - or rather - his allah did. Not Smart! Not smart at all.
For the 'seekers' of 'answers'....
2Pe 1:19 We have a more sure Word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed. [Eternal Life is at stake]
All who are able to understand the power being offered here - pass it on - to EVERYONE you know!
Pronto!
Posted by: Beth at June 8, 2005 1:22 PM
How on earth, after 9/11 can a Muslim pull this shit and get by with it?
Posted by: DCWatson [Especially in New York]
The preachers of the Koran are persistent!!!
That is the one fact that I believe many Americans are not grasping.
A 'spiritual' influence over men - is far more powerful than most of society either realizes - or admits.
The Koran teaches wickedness! And it is spreading
Posted by: Beth at June 8, 2005 1:31 PM
Did you all notice the military garb some of the demonstrators are wearing. Nice to see this on the peaceful Muslims.
The best way to combat this is to send this video to everyone you know as an example of the ugliness and madness the Muslim community has brought to this country.
Posted by: Elad at June 8, 2005 1:54 PM
"Stratfor who also employs ex government counter terrorism analysts has dubbed Bokhari their 'in house Jihadi'"
--- from the article above
Cancel all government contracts given to Stratfor and foolish Mr. Friedman. This is idiotic. Whatever lame justification he may come up wtih -- "what better way to gain insight into the minds of such people than to employ them and try to understand them" -- the idiocy of this is obvious.
Too lazy to read the Qur'anic texts, too full of mumbo-jumbo about "strategy" and of course, with the main eye on the main chance of government contracts (per contra, this website runs on a wing and a prayer), Stratfor sounds like one more of those phony places that tarts up the obvious observations (just like Tom Friedman or a thousand others who now presume to lecture us, doing their imitations of "Irwin Corey, world's greatest authority") and gets the grants. In the 1960s, during the Great Society heyday, it was places like Apt Associates that got on the gravy-train fastest, with all that social-science stuff that soaked up the money, and left some people making out like bandits. Other fads followed, with the usual government grants. Today, it is all that "strategizing" and the solemn imparting of information that any intelligent human being, who refuses to accept the party-line on anything, could come up with faster, better, and cheaper.
But back to this employee -- fire him, and all those like him. And then let the government find out exactly how valuable this criminally negligent employer is doing with its "insights" into terrorism. Nothing is too stupid or too incredible, apparently, as people keep trying not to see the obvious, or to understand it.
at June 8, 2005 1:56 PM
I'm cancelling MY subscription.
Posted by: epg at June 8, 2005 2:11 PM
The Koran teaches wickedness! And it is spreading
Posted by: Beth at June 8, 2005 01:31 PM
I don't believe it is spreding it is just coming out of the darkness into the light so you can get a good look at the monsters in your mist!!
No the fog is rising so you can see the road!!
the monsters have always been here like the guy said there is a loop come out from your homes they can do nothing??
Guess they really don't know American History??
Civil war roit in NYC ??
No the American People have been GOOD and pactiant but they will not stay that way forever the police had better do the mulsums a favor and the mulsums better do themselves a favor and report the terrorist in their homes??
NO I SEE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO HEAR SCHOOL LUNCHES ARE NOT SAFE FROM ISLAMIC TERRORIST OR ANOTHER ICE CREAM TRUCK MAN WHO WANTS TO BLOW UP HOSPITALS OR POISON THEIR FOOD??
NO THEY don't know the rage of the American People??
This beyond PC this is life and death and it is the death of American these Monsters call for in the open on our streets and say we can do nothing??
REMEMBER
A gun in hand is better than 2 cops on the phone!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her give them Strength, Wisdom, Sight, and Courage Amen
at June 8, 2005 2:14 PM
I recognized the street on the video - it's on the corner of 74th Street and 37th Avenue in Jackson Heights, New York. The area is the most culturally diverse in the city with about 65 percent immigrants. You have many Indians, Pakistanis, South Americans, Koreans, Bangladeshis, Russians, among many others, all living within a two mile radius. There was just a gay pride parade on that same street this past Sunday so I don't know if it has anything to do with that. I saw, who I believe to be the same guys a couple of months ago at the same spot spouting all kinds of anti-American sh**t, but this time they had a microphone and a police barricade around them and about three officers assigned to the spot to "protect" them. My friend asked one of the officers why we have to listen to this sh**t, but the officer only shook his head.
Posted by: flintstone at June 8, 2005 2:21 PM
So let me get this straight:
Islam = Peace
And Islamic = Intellectual?
LOLOLOLOLOL.
Posted by: kj at June 8, 2005 2:29 PM
We value our right to freedom of speech, and flag stomping is a form of that. Suppose you lived in the North during the civil war. Wouldn't you support stomping on the confederate flag? Or if America brought back slavery or took away women's right's, etc...i would stomp on the American flag. These hypotheticals are used to illustrate the point that free speech(the freedom to criticize)is an important part of the WEST CIV makeup. Now, I don't condone those students stomping on flag, but it is their right.
However, with Islam, there is no free speech. Theo Van Gogh found that out.
The problem i have with PC America, is that many find it ok for flag burning, but not Koran flushing. What would the media response be to a bunch of Americans burning Koran's outside a mosque? It's their right to do that. And yet, many would condemn that action. THAT is what really makes me sick with America right now. That there are important people in the media and gov who support the violence and slavery of Islam and condemn the freedoms and human rights of America.
Go figure.
Posted by: nuh at June 8, 2005 2:36 PM
This video is painful to watch. These bastards should be rounded up and shipped to the place they long for - a country ruled by Islam, any one of the hellholes will do.
The American flag stands for all the principles we hold dear, which enables us all to have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
By stomping and shredding the flag, these bastards have revoked those principles. They also declared Islam to be dominant over all, including the nation. By their words and deeds, they are seditious enemies of the State. Revoke whatever status they might have and deport them. Let Islam take back their kind.
at June 8, 2005 2:46 PM
What are the chances of getting this video forwarded to O'Reilly on the Fox Network? He's the one media figure that might have the courage to run it, or at least part of it.
Does anyone have a contact there? (Fox)
Posted by: Elad at June 8, 2005 3:00 PM
President Bush, are you paying attention? These "people" just called for the overthrow of our government. They are a dangerous, seditious element that needs to be taken care of. If any are not native-born they should be immediately deported. The native-born should be subject to our harshest penalties for sedition.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 8, 2005 3:00 PM
I sent the video to O'Reilly and Linda Vestor this morning. I wonder if it will see the light of day.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 8, 2005 3:02 PM
Posted by: nuh at June 8, 2005 02:36 PM
GO TO THAT VIDEO AGAIN AND THIS TIME DO NOT WATCH ONLY LISTEN!!!
THEN SAY YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT THESE MONSTERS WERE SHOUTING DEATH TO AMERICANS AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO??
SOME POOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND HEARD THIS CAME FROM PLACES WHERE THEY COULD DO NOTHING AGAINST THE MONSTERS AND THE MONSTERS HAD POLICE SUPPORT ARE YOU SAYING BECAUSE OF YOUR PC BELIEFS YOU ARE WILLING TO LIVE IN A SH-T HOLE THIRD WORLD COUNTRY???
SOME THINGS ARE WORTH FIGHTING FOR SHORT SKIRTS FOR ONE!!!
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.
--Albert Einstein
NOW FROM WHAT I SAW WAS PEOPLE DOING NOTHING JUST WALKING BY AS IF THEY DIDN'T EXIST??
THE PROBLEM IS THEY DID EXIST AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN YELLED AT BY COUNTER PROTESTERS GROW SOME BALLS!!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her Amen
at June 8, 2005 3:03 PM
Islam is a religion as well as a political system. To be a Muslim is essentially to support these ideological beliefs and their belief systems. Supporting them is diametrically opposed to democracy (where there's a division between church and state) and should be considered treason. If anyone, and I mean ANYONE, speaks out in support of Islam, they're welcome to leave and go live in those wonderful countries that already have those belief systems in place. Period.
Let the mass deportations begin!
Posted by: illustr8rg8r at June 8, 2005 3:56 PM
If these people are so upset with the U.S. then why don't they GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY??? We certainly don't need them here.
Nuh put it very well--MSM reports the alleged Koran mishandlings but where's the report on this? Oh, I know, we wouldn't want to incite religious hatred now, would we?
/sarcasm off
The double standard that is islamic tolerance makes my blood boil.
Posted by: Salami, Salami, Bologna at June 8, 2005 4:38 PM
I'm all in favor of Moslems burning U.S flags, shredding Bibles, and even going on rampages down 5th Avenue. I want to see them in their thousands looting, smashing, burning America. I'll do any legal thing I can to make that happen. I want to see thousands of enraged and psychotic Moslems swarming through our communites in states of Islamic induced madnes. I want to see them in their thousands before their thousands become their millions.
Most Moslems are women and children, and for the life of me I can't find it in me to want to harm them. Even the average Moslem guy is simply following the crowd, and will continue to follow the crowd, meaning that we must change the ruling ethos of America to be so hostile to Islam that the average guy is sick of it and won't tolerate it anywhere, not the average Moslem guy or anyone else. So let's see openly what Islam is, and let's make our choices here and now so we can save those who can be saved, and drown the rest. Every Moslem deserves the same freedom that every other citizen of the world has or should have. Let's compare ourselves in the marketplace of ideas, even on the streets, so our decisions are clear. then, when the blood-dimmed tide is loosed we will know exactly what to do.
More Moslem protests. I'll give them a flag to burn. Then I'll call the news station so I can watch Islam in action on tv. We can all watch and see the reality of Islam. The more the better.
Posted by: sonofwalker at June 8, 2005 4:52 PM
Watching that video made my blood boil to say the least. My father and grandfather both fought in wars protecting the freedoms the flag represents and watching these people destroy it caused me to have very violent thoughts.
If we know who these people are, why isn't the FBI or CIA or anybody investigating them so that we can get them deported or put behind bars?
I agree that if these people hate this country so much there is no one forcing them to stay here. They're more than welcome to leave. So like illustr8rg8r said, "Let the mass deportations begin!"
Posted by: Giggle-Puss the Brave at June 8, 2005 4:53 PM
i dont know if it did any good but i sent an email to michael savage about this website and video. he talks about this stuff every day so maybe he will give it recognition on his daily radio show. one can hope.
Posted by: dms at June 8, 2005 5:03 PM
Forward the video to the MSM's. Fox, O'Reilly, Savage...let's see if they pick up on it.
Why did 3 cops stand by while these a.......were shouting death to America? Isn't that a terrorist threat? Call Gary Ackerman, Peter King, Chuckie Cheese Schumer...what the hell are we waiting for here?
Posted by: jawa at June 8, 2005 5:25 PM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005719.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005620.php
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at June 8, 2005 5:33 PM
To: president@whitehouse.gov
From: kaosktrl@gmail.com
Link sent: Flag-rippers part of New York jihadist group
at June 8, 2005 5:49 PM
KAOSKTRL, Now we hope there's not some guy named Mo that is sorting the Prez' email.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 8, 2005 6:21 PM
I'm with on that Kaos
To: president@whitehouse.gov
From: leslie_1224@yahoo.com
Link sent: Flag-rippers part of New York jihadist group
at June 8, 2005 6:25 PM
http://tancredo.house.gov/contacttom.asp
http://kyl.senate.gov/contact.cfm
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at June 8, 2005 6:35 PM
http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/the_shoe_bomber.mp3
http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/winds_of_jihad.html
Just a little bit of humor to cheer you all up!
at June 8, 2005 6:49 PM
Very funny Terminator. Put a bomb in your shoe and blow away! We can dream can't we?
Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 8, 2005 6:55 PM
I'd send a message to Boxer but why bother? I've tried in the past (in regards to the illegal immigration problem) and it's only resulted in a "thanks for writing" form letter response. And now I'm on her mass-email SPAM list too. Ridiculous.
Posted by: Salami, Salami, Bologna at June 8, 2005 6:56 PM
Thanks for posting the audio and video.
One really glaring point kept popping up at me. The "protestors" spent about as much time in the video denouncing the United States and spitting on the flag as they did talking about how that very same country allowed them to stand on a street corner and "protest" ,while the very same action in the area of the world they seem to be so fond of would get them killed. Surely, even this "intellectual" society can catch the hypocracy in this. It occured to me, and I may be wrong here, that this wasn't some hair brained hate America "rally". That these idiots just want someone to pay a little attention to them. If their mothers had spent more time caring for them and less time teaching them to hate, they would have regular jobs, and not have to stand on the street corner "acting out" for attention. It is kinda sad and pathetic when these fashionable little "hate" groups get together and rally up the courage to get out of their parents basements.
Posted by: ManaboutTexas at June 8, 2005 7:15 PM
This is what you get when you elect RINOs
You need Rudy!!!
Police playing to the Islamic Terrorist???
2nd AMENDMENT AMERICA'S ORIGINAL HOMELAND SECURITY!!!
I'M WITH SONOFWALKER LET THEM SHOW THEIR ASSES THE MORE THE BETTER IF THE MSM WOULD JUST DO THEIR JOB AND LET MIKEIE GO!!!
THEY ALL SAY WE HAVE NO TIME TO SHOW YOU THE GOOD THINGS BUT HOURS OF SHIT NO ONE CARES ABOUT MIKEI WHO THE HELL CARES NOW K.W. STORY WOW A WOMAN AFTER MY OWN HEART VERY BALLSIE BUT NEXTIME CARRY A CAMRA AND DON'T INTER ACT JUST FLIM AT 11!!!
SO THE COPS IN NYC HAVE BECOME DIMMIS??
SHAME SHAME SHAME THIS IS BLOOMBERGS FAULT!!
GUY CAUGHT TRYING KIDNAP WOMAN WAS FROM ALB.???
COULD HE BE A CONVERT??
WILL THE MULSUMS SUE BECAUSE WE ALL SAW HIS FAT BELLY AND HIS BVDs? AND HOW CAN WE FORGET THAT BRAVE DOG CHOMPING ON HIS ARM WONDER IF THAT IS THE SAME ARM THAT WAS SHOT??
HE FOLLOWS THE MO TO BE MULSUM??
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT GIVE THE WORLD SOME BALLS TO STAND AND FIGHT LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN
at June 8, 2005 7:18 PM
bj --
I know that any "idiot" can learn a few Farsi or Arabic phrases: but the audio sounded like there was much more than a "few" learned phrases -- plus the accent(s) sounded authentically Middle Eastern.
Can anyone please answer my question? Were there any actual Arabic-speaking Middle Easterners among the rabble there? Thanks.
Posted by: metaxy at June 8, 2005 7:25 PM
After reviewing Statfor's web site, they appear to be a mini-CIA.
I am sure that they are getting alot of Homeland Security money, and probably some Pentagon money.
So by hiring Mahajiron they would have two agendas: 1)They have him rant and rave to attract radicles for Mahajiron to connect with, making him kind of a double agent. OR 2) By having radicles fuel the flames more crazies do more things that are good for Statfor's business. When you have a open deep pocket like the goverment, Statfor can create business for their bottom line.
They can have their cake and eat it too.
at June 8, 2005 7:27 PM
Hi All,
I saw the video, bloody pathetic. Those fellas should be arrested. Don't worry, the Muslims in Britain rose up against Al-Muhajiroun, they no longer exist. I can guarantee that the Muslims of the US will rise up and face this nuisance.
By the way through that video I just realised how different our accents are. I can almost put a voice to your comments now. ^_^
This is going to be my last post on JW/DW. I will not be visiting this site anymore.
I would firstly like to apologise for any hurt I may have caused, if I have hurt or offended anyone here I would like to humbly ask for your forgiveness.
I don’t wish to leave here with out speaking about the hurt or pain I may have brought about in your hearts. If I have hurt you I apologise, please forgive me.
I have to say that although we clashed many times, I know that the people here a decent people. Please realise that you have more Muslims on your side, Muslims are on your side. We will not tolerate those that commit terrorist attacks and those that wish to harm innocents. I for one would fight those that wish to harm you people. I oppose all Islamic extremism, I will continue to battle Islamic Extremism and promote Moderate Islam for the rest of my life.
I appreciate everyone putting up with me, I appreciate those that spoke kindly to me, I appreciate all those that wished well for me. I thank you all.
We will face chaotic and turbulent times in the future, I see a much larger threat than Islamic Extremism around the corner. I also believe that Jesus will return during our lives, I hope we will all be together on that day.
I wish you people all the best, I wish you all happy and prosperous lives, look after yourselves and your loved ones.
Your friend in the UK.
Take Care.
ia786
"If we do meet again, why, we shall smile; if not,why then this parting was well made"
Jul Caesar, Act v, Sc.1
at June 8, 2005 7:30 PM
These Muslims are hypocrites and make it quite clear what they want, they want to live under the IRON FIST of a government. If you hate it so bad here go back to your muslim lands and denounce your rights and citizenship formally and legally. I don't need your kind on my streets in my neighborhood, indoctrinating my fellow americans. Now go back to your beloved Islamic lands and be done with your venomous words.
Take your culture and go back I say to followers of allah and wear your hajib there, as i no longer want to see your strenous customs and values in the United States of America.
Yeshua is the son of God not allah.
at June 8, 2005 7:41 PM
Sorry to see you go, ia786. I hope you will have time to return someday.
Posted by: Viking5 at June 8, 2005 7:42 PM
ia666-
Off the to mujahadeen training camp in Pakistan, eh?
May the fuse in your first IED ignite just a little earlier than you expect.
I'll always remember your charming introductory sentence to JW/DW:
"Hello my hateful brothers and sisters..."
Taqqiya b.s. to the very end.
Posted by: BigSleep at June 8, 2005 7:52 PM
ia786
I had decided to leave also - but here I am - I'm back.
I had [or rather should say - still have] a project that I began -- but decided to put it on hold - for now.
I'd like to start my own message board. But I need to learn more about it [as far as positively protecting my identity]
And no - I will NOT keep quiet should Islamic radicals start preaching near my area.
All who personally know me - know that I have never been afraid to speak in front of others.
If ever they start that music - 5 times a day? I not only have the fine equipment to blast the Star Spanngled Banner out my windows - but be sure - I will!
I hope you find the Lord of the New Testament ia786. If ever I saw a Muslim who deep down inside may be a True Christian? - it is you.
Best wishes
Beth
Posted by: Beth at June 8, 2005 10:05 PM
One of my favorite people on the entire planet is right on top of this .... With JW LINKS w00t!Bill 0 Would be remiss in the least to let this one slip by.
http://www.michellemalkin.com/
Posted by: AvrageJoe at June 8, 2005 10:35 PM
ia786
And when you come back under a different name, we'll know you then too.
Posted by: jawa at June 8, 2005 10:40 PM
What do you think would happen if someone got a permit for a protest that involved tearing up a copy of the Koran? It really shouldn't be a big deal, since it is just a repsonse to a statement made by a group recently, and the media didn't cover the first incident. It would be really telling if tearing up a Koran generated a response from those who said nothing about tearing up the American flag. Ideally someone should do it on the exact same corner at the same time of day.
at June 8, 2005 10:40 PM
I agree that we should be able to ship them back to whatever country they love so much. But before we stick them on the plane (shackled of course) we need to tattoo an American flag or a buning Koran on their forehead. We want to make sure they receive a warm welcome when they get where they're going.
Posted by: rjbruce at June 9, 2005 12:08 AM
Bigsleep/Cross...sinci IA 786/666 is taking a powder, I thought I would share this with you.
If you dont already know about it...some religious scholars think the number of the beast 666, is acually 616. Aleister Crowley, the magician, claimed to be the beast 666. In his book 777, he lists 616 as a part of the Qliphoth, the Qabalistic equivelent of hell, with it's own heirarchy of demonic spirits, over which, what we know as Satan is the head hauncho.
So as far as that kind of numerology is concerned, there may be a connection between the beast and 616. Interestingly, by using Croweleys method on the word Islam, it translates, "ancient serpent", and "hate".
Croweley translates IA...786 as "smooth or "slick"...haha so there you go...
at June 9, 2005 2:29 AM
This is simple. We need to have a peaceful flush the Koran day in July.
Posted by: irk at June 9, 2005 3:22 AM
ia786:
You fit the profile of a sociopath and
abuser that detatch themselves from the reality the majority live within that act
selflessly for personal growth and social benefits to the whole of the community.
You blamed the victim as the Muslims in the beheading vidoes did to absolve them from
responsibilites for their personal choices to do evil and harm to others on behalf of Allah,the 9/11 hijackers and several Muslims in Canada have stated in public the victims deserved it and weren't innocent civilian because of what the Israelis did when defending themselves from suicide bombers the murder for Allah.
This may have worked in Germany in the late 1930's by a quasi-gay obsesive compulsive
artist that was a Bohemian/Corporal with anger issue from height and rejection shortcomings,but
people are too smart and Educated to be fooled by this ruse which is the foundation for Muhammed's crusade to redeem himself from his misogynistic and pedophilia behaviour with permission from his God to justify it (you know,the 9 year old girl deserved it for being a virgin and tempting me).
What a normal well balanced person with
compasion for others would have done is
avoided shifting the blame to people around them and admit their comments were rude,cruel and irresponsible for a adult claiming to respect
others and accept open free debate even if
a view conflicts with yours.
But you apologized for the hurt feeling caused
to some posters on JW , as if they had no right to defend themselves from your abuse and overt
personal attacks that were petty and much like the school yard debates where the argument ends
with "Oh ya,well your're fat".
Let me help you avoid looking like a fool in the future when you actually express an opinion of your own that will take thought and work,people like me sometimes give the perception that I don't have the courage or strength to defend myself and retort with a equal level of insults.
If your version of reality makes you see these type of people as weak and non-agressive,that's
because I learned a long time ago that the more I know the more I realize how little I really knew
over the years. After a while I saw a pattern
when debating with opinionated grandstanding
Nabobs with just enough knowledge to be dangerous,I walk away but not in defeat,I do it because it's an execise in futility to believe I can have a intelligent debate with an idiot.
You'll make a good Jihadist,but do us all a favour,go out on the Ocean and do it by yourself in a small boat,sharks are the garbage scows of the water becasue they can be bottom-feeder
eating the junk the oceans take in.
How fitting that your useless corpse finally has value AFTER you died , never again will decent people have to listen to your tripe and mindless prattle that only amuses you inside the world you created to protect your feeling from the truth.
Be careful you don't get hit by the door on the way out,the only way anyone here will miss you is if they're ammo runs out .
I'm being honest,you should have seen me when I was trying to be rude and shallow.
at June 9, 2005 3:41 AM
I'm cancelling MY subscription.
Posted by: epg
i cancelled my Stratfor subscription awhile back after receiving several rather biased & very unprofessional analyses during the last election cycle.
the left has the right to propagandize, but i certainly don't have to pay for it!
(unless it's NPR & PBS ;o)
at June 9, 2005 3:57 AM
That jihadi in the video made a reference to America being a place where a "man and a woman can strip their honor in strip clubs..." a statement which implies that muslim "honor" would rise above such lewdness as well as a slam at our pernicious culture--a culture, btw, that these holier-than-thou hypocrites secretly admire, and crave.
Everyone knows that the 9.11 terrorists made frequent visits to Vegas strip clubs where they dropped big wads of cash debauching themselves even as they smashed the road-signs of their so-called faith.
Mohammed Atta, the ring-leader, gave new meaning to the term jihad...
...apparently he was determined to see a naked woman before he died.
Oh well. So much for muslim "honor."
Posted by: dead_shot at June 9, 2005 5:21 AM
'But instead of going to heaven, Ayloush, director of the Southern
California chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, says:
"They're going straight to hell."
"The prophet says anyone who harms a Christian or a Jew will not even
smell paradise. The Koran is also very specific about hurting innocent
people.
"These men were not true Muslims."
Sheik Yer'mami: 'No comment!'
http://www.terrorists-suck.org/fight/the_shoe_bomber.mp3
at June 9, 2005 8:10 AM
SPQR--Good luck with the demonstration of burning korans in front of a mosque. My suggestion to you is to have this video of Muslims desecrating the flag playing in repeat mode while you are doing the protest. This way, the PC crowd and leftists won't be able to come down as hard on you as they would like.
Posted by: helox at June 9, 2005 10:46 AM
http://infidels.kafirnation.com/053%20desecrate_flag.wmv
NEW LINK FOR THE VIDEO
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at June 9, 2005 12:59 PM
"Islamic THINKERS Society"?
They've GOT to be KIDDING! There are NO connections between their amygdala (the primitive part of the brain strongly associated with memory and emotions of the unmodulated sort--rage etc.) and the inferior surface of the left pre-frontal lobe (where reasoning, planning, judgment, etc. take place).
The Islamic brain functions very much like the brains of small children. We see in them a high need for immediate gratification, easy frustration, and temper tantrums that resemble those of two-year-olds (except that they kill people instead of lying on the floor kicking and screaming).
Little by little, as the (non-Muslim) child matures, connections between the two structures form, and the brute emotionality of the rawest sort is increasingly routed for moderation to the inferior surface of the left pre-frontal lobe, where so much of the kind of thinking that allows us to think and behave in a civilized, productive manner is carried out.
If a child is born blind, and later regains his sight, he will still have to rely heavily on the parts of his brain that helped him while he was blind; he has missed the "biological window" where visual stimuli promote the kinds of connections that permit him, for example, to recognize a triangle without moving his fingers along the lines forming it. He may, in fact, never be able to recognize it by visual means alone.
The same can happen to children who are denied the opportunity to develop reasoning skills. There comes a time when it is essentially "too late" for many of them.
Islam is very effective at preventing the establishment of connections that lead to the moderation of raw, primitive, emotions formed in the amygdala. This is particularly the case where the children are subjected from the earliest age through puberty to a two-sided program of 1) unremitting indoctrination of its irrational teachings, and 2) denied exposure to experience with reason and logic. This is the sort of curriculum we see in the madrassas, and it is why so many jihadists are produced from them. This is the sort of curriculum that is able, very successfully, to prevent the development of the ability for reasoning, judgment, and planning of the sort found in civilized societies that blindness does for children who later regain their sight and have to identify a triangle.
Change for these children is often impossible. It's just too late. That's why the solution to the conflict is through the brains of children, and that's why, if Islam isn't changed to the point of unrecognizability or frankly destroyed, we will see no end to it's insanity.
Posted by: Cubed
at June 9, 2005 2:18 PM
"Islamic THINKERS Society"?
They've GOT to be KIDDING! There are NO connections between their amygdala (the primitive part of the brain strongly associated with memory and emotions of the unmodulated sort--rage etc.) and the inferior surface of the left pre-frontal lobe (where reasoning, planning, judgment, etc. take place).
The Islamic brain functions very much like the brains of small children. We see in them a high need for immediate gratification, easy frustration, and temper tantrums that resemble those of two-year-olds (except that they kill people instead of lying on the floor kicking and screaming).
Little by little, as the (non-Muslim) child matures, connections between the two structures form, and the brute emotionality of the rawest sort is increasingly routed for moderation to the inferior surface of the left pre-frontal lobe, where so much of the kind of thinking that allows us to think and behave in a civilized, productive manner is carried out.
If a child is born blind, and later regains his sight, he will still have to rely heavily on the parts of his brain that helped him while he was blind; he has missed the "biological window" where visual stimuli promote the kinds of connections that permit him, for example, to recognize a triangle without moving his fingers along the lines forming it. He may, in fact, never be able to recognize it by visual means alone.
The same can happen to children who are denied the opportunity to develop reasoning skills. There comes a time when it is essentially "too late" for many of them.
Islam is very effective at preventing the establishment of connections that lead to the moderation of raw, primitive, emotions formed in the amygdala. This is particularly the case where the children are subjected from the earliest age through puberty to a two-sided program of 1) unremitting indoctrination of its irrational teachings, and 2) denied exposure to experience with reason and logic. This is the sort of curriculum we see in the madrassas, and it is why so many jihadists are produced from them. This is the sort of curriculum that is able, very successfully, to prevent the development of the ability for reasoning, judgment, and planning of the sort found in civilized societies that blindness does for children who later regain their sight and have to identify a triangle.
Change for these children is often impossible. It's just too late. That's why the solution to the conflict is through the brains of children, and that's why, if Islam isn't changed to the point of unrecognizability or frankly destroyed, we will see no end to it's insanity.
Posted by: Cubed
at June 9, 2005 2:18 PM
Did it again. Sorry.
Posted by: Cubed at June 9, 2005 2:19 PM
Hello everybody.
I found this and thought it was interesting especially in light of the recent events. It looks like Conyers is at it again.
http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000132.htm
Of particular interest was the second paragraph which states, “First, we have the perennial flag desecration constitutional amendment. This time, the GOP didn't even bother having a hearing, not showing much respect for the first ever amendment which would limit the first amendment.”
Posted by: Giggle-Puss the Brave at June 9, 2005 2:53 PM
Time for a Quran burning rally,maybe July 4th
and instead of the little schoolhouse,a paper
mock-up of the Grand Mosque could be torched and
dog can be brought to put out the embers with
a quick wizz on it.
How about sole-stickers with Allah in arabic
and we put them on our shoes.
In Canada a large number of African Muslims
poured into a area with several apartment units,they were offended by renters that had pet dogs because touching one meant they had to bath 7 times(The muslim, not the dog).
The protest to ban dogs failed and residents
adopting new puppies named them MO-HAM-ED
and this drove the Muslims nuts by hearing someone call their dog Muhammed.
at June 9, 2005 7:49 PM
Y'know, ala-sux,
I think that sounds like great fun!
One thing I have thought of doing is putting on some exam gloves (to prevent fingerprints, not to show respect!), go by one of our local mosques late at night, and throw wadded up pages of the Koran on the lawn. Or maybe just fasten a Koran to the soil (on a pile of dog or pig poop?) with a wooden stake. Don't know how many of them would get the symbolism. . .
And for my NEXT trick, maybe take some Tri-ox (not sure if the spelling is right, but it's an herbicide that kills and won't let anything grow for at least three years) and write some good stuff with it on the lawn in front of the mosque.
By the way, when I saw the video this morning of those jerks they arrested in California, one part showed a couple of women getting out of a car; they were in the usual black drapes, and it struck me how much they looked like ghosts, only in black, not white. How about using that imagery next Hallowe'en? Hang lots of little burkah ghosts from your trees. . .
Posted by: Cubed at June 10, 2005 12:50 AM
"Islamic THINKERS Society"?
You know cubed - come to think of it - I wonder if they'd be able to comprehend this one:
Their Koran mentions the name Israel - BUT NOT the name Palestine.
I wonder what they would think of that
Posted by: Beth at June 10, 2005 2:57 AM
For those of you that can no longer find this video, I have taken it upon myself to make it available to the world from my own blog.
http://www.foehammer.net/2005/06/thoughts.html
Fear no enemy.
Posted by: Foehammer at June 10, 2005 11:23 AM
I am disappointed that some one in the crowd didn't attempt to take our flag from these thugs. That might be worth going to jail for. Only in America.....
Posted by: Curt at June 12, 2005 7:29 AM
Ala-Sux, I love it. I would like to pack a few korans with pressed ham and toss in the front door of the damn mosque (small letters intentional.)
PCredneck
Posted by: PCredneck at June 12, 2005 6:43 PM
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