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Kama Division
Heinrich Himmler sought to create two Bosnian Muslim SS Divisions and two Albanian Muslim SS Divisions for Kosovo and Western Macedonia. In a May 22. 1944 letter to Artur Phleps, Himmler stated:
My goal is clear: The creation of two territorial corps, one in Bosnia, the other in Albania. These two corps, with the Division ëPrinz Eugen,í as an army of five SS mountain divisions Ö are the goal for 1944.
Adolf Hitler approved the formation of the second Bosnian Muslim Waffen SS Division, 23rd Waffen Gebirgs Division der SSÝ ìKamaî, on May 28,1944, although transfers and recruitments for the cadre personnel had been begun on June 10.The objective was to recruit a Waffen SS Division of over 19,000 troops but by September 10,1944,the number of men in the still forming division was 126 officers, 374 NCOs, and 3,293 men, 3,793 men in all. The Kama Division was commanded by SS Standartenfuehrer Helmut Raithel, who had earlier commanded the 28th Regiment of the Handzar Division.

Handzar Division
In January, 1944, the Mufti made a second visit to and spent three days with the Handzar Division, which was departing from Germany for Bosnia by rail. In a speech to the Division, he made the following declaration of principles which was to guide not only Bosnian Muslims, but all Muslims throughout the world:
This division of Bosnian Muslims established with the help of Greater Germany, is an example to Muslims in all countries. There is no other deliverance for them from imperialistic oppression than hard fighting to preserve their homes and faith. Many common interests exist between the Islamic world and Greater Germany, and those make cooperation a matter of course. The Reich is fighting against the same enemies who
robbed the Muslims of their countries and suppressed their faith in Asia, Africa, and Europe.
Germany is the only Great Power which has never attacked any Islamic country. Further, National- Socialist Germany is fighting against world Jewry. The Koran says: ìYou will find that the Jews are the worst enemies of the Muslims.î There are also considerable similarities between Islamic principles and those of National-Socialism,

SO THE CRAP ABOUT THE NAZIS BEING CHRISTIANS IS JUST THAT CRAP!!!

Husseini referred to the Bosnian Muslims as the ìcream of Islamî and in a speech to the imams in the Handzar Division, explained why the Muslim/Arab world should support the Axis/Nazi Germany:
Friendship and collaboration between two peoples must be built on a firm foundation. The necessary ingredients here are common spiritual and material interests as well as the same ideals. The relationship between the Muslims and the Germans is built on this foundation. Never in its history has Germany attacked a Muslim nation. Germany battles world Jewry, Islamís principal enemy. Germany also battles England and its allies, who have persecuted millions of Muslims, as well as Bolshevism, which subjugates forty million Muslims and threatens the Islamic faith in other lands. Any one of these arguments would be enough of a foundation for a friendly relationship between two peoplesÖ. My enemyís enemy is my friend.

IS THIS NOT WHAT WE SEE TODAY IN A COVERT WAY BLAB BLAB BLAB FEEL SORRY FOR THE KILLER NOT THE VICTIM???

In the spring of 1944, in a German radio broadcast from Zittau, Germany, the Mufti issued a call to Bosnian and Yugoslav Muslims to hold Islamic prayer services for seven days to pray that the German military forces may achieve success.

AGAIN THEY DIDN’T LEARN BUT NOW START THIS WAR AGAIN!!!

The Bosnian Muslim Handzar and Kama Divisions fought mainly against Orthodox Serbs, who made up the bulk of the guerrilla and resistance movements, and who were associated with the enemies of the Third Reich, Communism and England, or as Heinrich Himmler termed it, the ì common Jewish-Anglo-Bolshevik enemyî. On March 1,1944, the Grand Mufti issued from Berlin the following call to all Muslims: ìKill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. Allah is with you.î Moreover, the Mufti called upon Bosnian Muslims to ìtake revenge and to punishî Bosnian Serb Orthodox Christians. Numerous eyewitness accounts testified that the Handzar Division committed the ìworst atrocities against the Serbian population.î In a photograph of troops of the Division, members are seen reading the pamphlet Islam und Judentum (Islam and Jewry), which explained the Nazi position on the Jewish Question and how it related to Muslims.These were prepared from the Muftiís schools and training centers in Germany the Dresden school for Muslims in the Waffen SS, and the Goettingen school for Muslims in the German Wehrmacht.

Heinrich Himmler was determined to create the two Bosnian Muslim Waffen SS Divisions, although he met with opposition from the NDH regime and from sources within the SS itself. In a letter to Konstantin Kammerhofer, his SS representative in the NDH, he urged that ìstrong stepsî be taken to convince the NDH regime that is was supposed to be a puppet regime:Ý ìI expect to receive, by August 1, 1943, your report that the division, at a strength of about 26,000 men, is completely ready.î Himmler ordered Gottlob Berger to send Kammerhofer two million Reichsmarks to fund the recruiting effort for the Handzar division. Unlike most SS officials, Himmler was convinced of the fighting ability of the Bosnian Muslims, partly from his understanding of the role of the Bosnian Muslims as soldiers in the Austro-Hungarian Imperial Army before and during World War I and his belief that Islam was an ideal religion for a soldier. Himmler stated to Joseph Goebbels that he hadÝ ìnothing against Islam because it educates the men in this Division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action; a very practical and attractive religion for soldiers!î Himmlerís policy of using Islam as a bulwark against Orthodox Serbia and Orthodox Russia would later be the policy of Zbiniew Brzezinski, Madeleine Albright, the Pentagon, and the CIA. Ossama Bin Laden and the mujahedeen forces in Afghanistan would be armed, trained, and supplied by the US government. This policy would then be applied in the Balkans. Like Hitler, Mussolini, and Himmler, the US policy was to use the Bosnian and Albanian Muslims as a bulwark against the Serbian Orthodox populations. Like Himmlerís policy, the US policy was divide and conquer, manipulate ethnic and religious groups to attack and kill each other so that a foreign military power can occupy the region, whether it is the Waffen SS or NATO. Historically, the dynamics are identical.

YESS WE WERE ON THE WRONG SIDE TO APPESSE THE ARAB OIL AND THE EUROPEANS WHO WON’T PROTECT THEMSELVES??

On June 23,1943,Himmler prepared a special SS oath for the Bosnian Muslim troops which read as follows:
I swear to the Fuehrer, Adolf Hitler, as Supreme Commander of the German Armed Forces, to be loyal and brave. I swear to the Fuehrer and to the leaders whom he may designate, obedience unto death.
Himmler included a clause pledging the Muslims to swear to ìalways be loyalî to the NDH and to Ante Pavelic, which was meant to prevent any conflict between Muslims and Croats and the NDH regime, which opposed the formation of the Division. The Handzar and Kama Divisions were listed as ìKroatische No.1 and No.2î respectively to appease the Ustasha NDH regime. Himmler initially envisioned a division made up entirely of Muslims. Sauberzweig stated that ìover 90% of the divisionís soldiers were Muslimsî on November 5, 1943. Himmler had to compromise on this issue and allowed Croat troops to join the division. The estimate of Roman Catholic Croats in the division ranged from ì300 or soî to 2,800. After a visit to Zagreb on May 5, 1943, Himmler stipulated that the ratio of Roman Catholics to Muslims ìwas not to exceed 1:10.î The divisions were Croat in name only, that is, nominally. Some German officers even wore the Ustasha checkerboard symbol, but Muslim leaders and the troops in the division perceived the divisions as Bosnian Muslim.
Berger ordered the Croatian government to release all the Muslim NCOs and enlisted troops in the NDH formations for service in the Handzar Division. The Muslims were to be released from the I Ustasha Brigade and the 9th Infantry Regiment of the Croatian Army.Ý This information from the Waffen SS files is significant because it demonstrates that Bosnian Muslims were integral parts of the Ustaha formations and NDH military forces, formations and units that were engaged in the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Orthodox Serbs. Importantly, it disproves the propaganda position that the Bosnian Muslims were ìvictimsî and did not participate in the genocide against the Serbian Orthodox populations. The Bosnian Muslims played an integral and essential role in the extermination of Bosnian Serbs, Jews, and Roma.
In a 1943 report prepared by the Serbian Eastern Orthodox Diocese for the US and Canada, the following description of the Bosnian Muslim role in the massacres appeared:
The behavior of the Muslims was traditionally treacherous. As always, they were in the camp of those who were momentarily in power. More than 95% of Muslims joined the Ustashi and participated very actively in the massacre of the Serbs, as, for instance, in the city of Mostar, where great numbers of killings were done personally by Huremovich, a Muslim. ÖThe Ustasha terror began in Mostar. The Ustashi, the majority of them local Mohammedans, are arresting, looting and shipping off Serbs or killing them and throwing their bodies in the Neretva RiverÖThey are throwing Serbs alive into chasms and are burning whole families locked in their homesÖOutside of Zagreb the strongest Ustasha hotbed is SarajevoÖThe Muslims committed unbelievable barbarities for they murdered women and children even with scissors.
General Draza Mihailovich described the Muslim massacres as follows:
Entire districts were devastated by the Muslims, The Drina River carried many bodies from one bank to the other.
The propaganda position that the Bosnian Muslims were innocent ìvictimsî and had no complicity in the genocide against Bosnian Serbs was developed after World War II to maintain the Communist policy of ìbrotherhood and unityî and to gain patronage with the Muslim/Arab countries The post-war Yugoslav Communist dictatorship painted an erroneous, inaccurate, and false picture of Islam to gain favor and economic/political advantages with Muslim/Arab countries. But all the evidence proves that the Bosnian Muslims participated actively in the genocide against the Orthodox Serbian population and were not ìvictimsî at all.
Herbert von Obwurzer recruited Albanian Muslims from Kosovo-Metohija and Sandzak for the Division. The I/2 battalion consisted of approximately 300 ethnic Albanian Muslims. Gottlob Berger stated that ìwhen the division returned to Croatia, additional volunteers would be recruited, and the Albanians would be returned to their homeland, where they would form the cadre for an Albanian division.îÝ The Albanian division would be the 21st Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS ìSkanderbegî, consisting primarily of Albanian Muslims from Kosovo-Metohija. Himmler planned to form a second Albanian SS Division but the war ended before this could be done. The Waffen SS recruiting of Albanian Muslims in the Greater Albanian state, which included Kosovo and Western Macedonia was objected to by Hermann Neubacher, who was the German Plenipotentiary in Albania because they violated the sovereignty of Albania.
When Handzar occupied eastern and northern Bosnia in the spring and summer of 1944, to ìrestore orderî, it assumed control over its own munitions, without consulting NDH officials, placed civilian authority under Muslim control, and ìliquidatedî organs of the NDH Ustasha regime. There was a direct challenge and conflict to and negation of the sovereignty of the NDH.
On August 6,1943, Himmler wrote the following letter to his representative in the NDH, SS Gruppenfuehrer and Generalleutnant der Polizei Konstantin Kammerhofer and to Artur Phleps, commander of the Vth SS Mountain Corps outlining guidelines for the enlistment of Muslims in the Waffen SS and police:
All Moslem members of the Waffen SS and police are to be afforded the undeniable right of their religious demands never to touch pork, pork sausages nor to drink alcohol...I hold all commanders...and other SS officers, responsible for the most scrupulous and loyal respect for this privilege especially granted to the Muslims. They have answered the call of the Moslem chiefs and have come to us out of hatred for the common Jewish-Anglo-Bolshevik enemy and through respect and fidelity for he who they respect above all, the Fuehrer, Adolf Hitler... There will no longer be the least discussion about the special rights afforded to the Moslems in these circles.
Heil Hitler
(signed) H. Himmler

HISTORY FORGOTTEN IS DOOMED TO BE REPEATED!!! REMEMBER WE DIDN’T GET INTO WW2 UNTIL EUROPE WAS LOST??

BRITS YOU NEED TO READ THIS WHOLE HISTORY SO YOU WILL KNOW WHAT THE LIBS HAVE DONE TO YOU AND YOURS THEY HAVE LET THE ENEMIES IN YOUR GATES!!!

NOTICE HOW HE SAYS THE EVIL BRITS AND AMERICANS THE HATE IS AS STRONG TODAY!!! DO NOT LET YOUR LEADERS SELL YOU OUT!!

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE NAZIS IS NOT THAT THEY WERE CHRISTIANS BUT SOCIALIST AND MULSUMS!!!

READ THE WHOLE THING!!

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Squirrel Hunters
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO VICTORY TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

PS
Remember the Iraqis didn't side with the Nazis in WW2 but with the Brits and the USA!! this is their only hope!!!
IF THEY DO NOW [SIDE WITH OUR THE USA ENEMIS] THEY WILL BE DESTROYED LIKE HITLER WAS WE WILL NOT DO THIS DANCE FOREVER BEFORE WE GET SO PISSED WE DON'T CARE AND START A SERICES WOOP ASS BEWARE LIKE THE JAPANESE SAID WE HAVE AWAKENED A SLEEPPING GIANT AND HE IS PISSED!!!

Posted by: Catherine at July 11, 2005 11:08 AM

Dust off the old books. Reprint them. Study them. Start with -- oh, I don't know -- Curt Reiss's "Total Espionage."

Hire the kind of people who were hired during the Cold War. That grandson of Buffalo Bill, who worked in Paris. That White Russian brother of a Harvard archeologist, who worked in Rome. That son of a famous writer who...

Oh, you know what I mean. Let's stop futzing about with the likes of Michael Scheuer. Smarter people. Cleverer people.

They exist. Find them. Train them. They do not have to live in the goddamn Middle East, nor infiltrate the Muslim groups. There is nothing to find out that way.

But something else has to be done. We have to figure out why the Infidels themselves are so reluctant to understand Islam, and to educate them. And then we have to figure out how to "turn" Muslims, including those who actually are completely unobservant yet keep a residual loyalty that is worrisome, for one does not know when that residual loyalty, kept for the purposes of identification only, or out of filial piety, or an inability, for civilizational self-esteem reasons, to boldly apostasize (even in the West), in the delightful manner of the delighful Ayaan Hirsi Ali, or Ibn Warraq, or Ali Sina -- well, let us call on the "defectors" from Islam to help figure out the thousand-and-one ways we have to appeal to those people to make the break, possibly beginning with those fed up, in Iran, with the quarter-century of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and the Islam For Which It Stands.

Posted by: Hugh at July 11, 2005 11:56 AM

Both the CIA and NSA failed to take me when I offered to join immediately following 9/11.

I knew after that oversight on their part, that we were in big trouble; they never even interviewed me.

If any of you knew me personally, you would understand and probably be justly annoyed with our intelligence agencies.

However, this has not stopped me from being a small thorn in the side of Islamic Terrorism, has it?

Posted by: Foehammer at July 11, 2005 12:29 PM

Hugh,
this is the problem until you and the rest of the world sees this is like WW2 we don't need to understand the germans to take out the Nazis is the way this war needs to be fought this is why Bush's polls are down the American people want their Cowboy back and to kick ass thats all we need to know if we go after this in a human way we will never win this fight??

THE ENEMY IS IN OUR GATES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS!!

THIS FIGHT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 1400 YEARS AND WE ALWAYS STOP BECAUSE WE ARE HUMAN TIME TO WIN!!!

There are not just a few of the enemy but many!!!

mulsums must be deported for their own safty!!!

2 mosques attacked in England could it be mulsums who did this like the mulsum who burned the quran in front of a mosque here in the USA turned out to be a mulsum??

No there has not been enough back lash so they are doing it themselves to play the victim???

Remember it was Russia who tried to tell the west what was going on with the Mulsums killing all the Christians in Serbia?
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of August, 1992, they refer to "the abominable double game of the Muslims that makes the war in Bosnia even more cruel," pointing out that the bread line massacre was committed by the Muslims. Corriere Della Sera says that: "Everything indicates that the defenders of Sarajevo, the Croats • and the Muslims, organised several attacks against their own citizens in the hope that in this way that they are going to deepen the drama of Sarajevo and the blame will only be cast on the Serbs."
THE INTERPRETER: Could the accused please be asked to slow down.
JUDGE MAY: Slow down. Slow down.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] When we were on good terms, Holbrooke said to me that Izetbegovic managed to play the role of a victim and that he, Holbrooke, called that - I remember his words - "ruthless ingeniosity." However, this not ingenious at all. This is just heartless; sacrificing thousands of his own citizens in order to be able • to accuse the Serbs. I have to rush on. I have a map here. I'll give it to you. Camps for Serbs from 1991 to 1996. They existed at different points in time. Some went on for a longer period of time, some shorter. There were 778 of them altogether; 536 in Bosnia-Herzegovina, 221 in Croatia. And • here is a list of every one of these camps. It includes many pages. There are many crimes that were committed. I won't have time. I won't have time to show this. Many crimes were committed in Croatia before the independence of Croatia was proclaimed, before it was recognised. There is a great number of crimes committed in Bosnia before • the proclamation of independence, before recognition. Please, could you

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just place these two images on the overhead projector -- or three, perhaps. These two, rather. Take a look at this. Please put these two on the overhead projector. I'm not going to put any other pictures on the overhead • projector. These are crimes from the 26th of March, 1992, in Sijekovac. The units crossed the Sava River and slaughtered the Serbs. Please put the big picture on the overhead projector. That's it. That's what they did. That's what the Mujahedin did, the ones we saw yesterday. And we saw Izetbegovic reviewing them • yesterday. What's the matter? Is it not on the screens?
JUDGE MAY: It's on the screen. Do you want the next photograph shown?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] But I haven't seen it on the screen. • I only see you on the screen.
JUDGE MAY: It's on our screen. Make sure you've got the right button.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] All right. All right. You don't want to show this. You don't want to show this to the public.
JUDGE MAY: Mr. Milosevic, it is on our screen.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] It's not on the screens that the public sees. Right. I see it on this screen now. But this internal screen only. So he is holding a head, the head of a Serb that he cut off. So those are the 20.000 Mujahedin that were brought to the European • theatre of war through Clinton's policy, and most of them remained there

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and some went to America and to other countries, and they went all around Europe. And then when they start beheading your own people in wars to come, then you will know what this is all about. There are many photographs of major crimes.
JUDGE MAY: The usher is by the overhead projector. Do you want some other photographs shown to us?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] I don't have time, Mr. May. I have 12 minutes left --
JUDGE MAY: Very well.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] -- according to your shortened procedure. But I want to say one thing to you. For example --
JUDGE MAY: Let the usher -- there's no need for the usher to remain there. Give the photographs back, if you would, to Mr. Milosevic.
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] Put the other picture on the ELMO, • please, the one with the three heads. Take a look at this, these three heads of Serbs in an ammunition case. They cut off heads. These are the madmen that are doing things like that. And that is what Clinton's policy in Bosnia did. They were assembled in Bosnia. Look at Algeria, which is a Muslim country. How many Muslims, • Algerians, did they kill so far? This has nothing do with Muslims. These are Islamic fundamentalists who are the enemies of the entire world. Not only of Christians or some others but of Muslims as well. You have --
JUDGE MAY: Now, do you want any other pictures shown?
THE ACCUSED: [Int.] I don't have time, unfortunately,

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for any other pictures, but I do want to say one thing to you, that --
JUDGE MAY: Very well, let the usher take the pictures.

There are many things that are going on that we don’t see or are seeing with a slant our job is to look beyond the slant to see what they[mulsums] don’t want us to see!!

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Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEVIED BY THEM AMEN

PS
THIS IS NO LONGER A SPOOK WAR BUT A REAL WAR!!!!

Posted by: Catherine at July 11, 2005 1:31 PM

While I wouldn't trust any practicing Muslim in this effort, Arabic, Farsee, etc. CAN be learned, so, in the meantime, those who are applying from that dubious camp can be used for a double-blind experiment.

Previously 'deciphered messages' (phoney, but realistic sounding) would be 'fed' to these Muslim applicants to see if they would slant the messages (conscious or unconsciously).

And then they could be watched to see if they pass on any of the (bogus) information.

There loyalty is to Islam if their are Muslim, period.

But they can be handled 'intelligently', and the least 'suspect' might do routine, non-classifed translation work (or pure code gobbledygook that they wouldn't know the meaning of, anyway, e.g. innocent-sounding words or blocks of letters/numbers/symbols that stand for other information.) until more non-Muslim American could get through the Defense Language Institute's courses (one to several years, depending on the language and proficiency required).

Semitic (and Semitic-looking) non-Muslims should be trained for the on-the-ground work. Especially those who have a bone to pick with the 'Religion of Peace'.

Actual Muslim recruits could be used in projects like WW II's pre-D-Day Operation "FORTITUDE".

That way, whther they are actually loyal, or not, nothing is lost. (And much could be learned about the enemy by inference.)

Posted by: BigSleep at July 11, 2005 5:28 PM

Posted by: BigSleep at July 11, 2005 05:28 PM

AND THEN THERE IS ALWAYS LET THE MAC'S DO THE TRANSLATING WE HAVE THEM TOO!!!

cOMPUTERS ARE AMASING THINGS??

tHINK i HEARD OF A MAC. THAT EVEN TRANSLATS SPEACH TO TRANSCRIPT THINK THE BLIND USE SOMETHING SIMULAR??

HERE IS A STORY THAT WILL MAKE YOUR BLOOD BOIL??

http://washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20050711-122335-4234r
The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com

Arabic words go free in jails
By Joel Mowbray
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published July 11, 2005

The federal Bureau of Prisons is holding 119 persons with "specific ties" to international Islamist terrorist groups, yet has no full-time Arabic translators or a system to monitor their communications, The Washington Times has learned.
A congressional aide said Bureau of Prisons officials maintain an informal list of 17 employees who are proficient in Arabic. The prison officials acknowledge, however, that none of the workers had been tested to determine Arabic fluency or undergone a special screening or background check, the aide said.
Capitol Hill is starting to notice.

READ THE WHOLE THING!!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, SIGHT, WISDOM, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

PS
HUGH
I KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST!!! JUST HAVING A BAD DAY!!

Posted by: Catherine at July 11, 2005 11:17 PM