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Egypt tourist bombings update: "Egypt Detains 70 People for Resort Attacks," from AP, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
SHARM EL-SHEIK, Egypt - Egyptian police searched for clues Sunday and struggled to identify bodies from the 88 people killed in three bomb blasts that rocked this Red Sea resort, sending foreign tourists scrambling to catch flights home.More than 70 people have been detained in Sharm el-Sheik and elsewhere on the Sinai Peninsula for questioning over the bombings early Saturday. But none have been accused of involvement in Egypt's deadliest-ever terror attack, said security officials, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the inquiry....
Two rival claims of responsibility have emerged but neither statement could be authenticated.
One group, the Abdullah Azzam Brigades of al-Qaida in Syria and Egypt, also claimed responsibility for the October bombings in Taba and for a dual shooting-bomb attack in April in Cairo.
Also, the previously unknown Holy Warriors of Egypt discounted the al-Qaida claim and said it had carried out Saturday's attack in Sharm.
Posted by Robert at July 24, 2005 7:30 AM
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but, but, but, didn't retired general allam just say that the Mossad JOOOOOOOOOOOS did it?
oh, i get it, these two groups aren't REALLY islamodirtbags, they're really JOOOOOOOOOOs acting to give the beautiful religion of pieces a dastardly and slanderous blot.
excuse me folks, even sarc makes me nauseous at times, gotta rest til the heaves subside.
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at July 24, 2005 8:12 AM
I'm glad I toured Egypt back in the old days. The safe days. Before all this wholesale slaughtering business. Muslims do not deserve Egypt. What a shame that my two kids might not get to experience it as I did. I used to regale them with stories of my tour, and show them all the pictures. Both said they were "dying" to go there too one day. Yep, that's the operative word these days when it comes to travelling, isn't it? Dying.
What a blight on the planet Islam is. It takes away all the pleasures of life. How anyone of right mind could actually convert to that miserable cult is beyond me.
Posted by: feralee at July 24, 2005 9:45 AM
“Two rival claims of responsibility have emerged”
What’s wrong with this picture? They’re arguing over who gets credit for murdering their own countrymen. Note also that at least one group is publicly lying. It’s such a perverse culture in the nations of the black religion. The fact that hundreds of thousands of these people live in our country and that our government invited them is horrifying!
at July 24, 2005 10:36 AM
OT
But Congressman Tom Tancredo writes an op-ed in the Denver post titled Bigger sins than Offending.
An interesting Excerpt:
Many critics of my statements have characterized them as "offensive," and indeed they may have offended some. But in this battle against fundamentalist Islam, I am hardly preoccupied with political correctness, or who may or may not be offended. Indeed, al-Qaeda cares little if the Western world is "offended" by televised images of hostages beheaded in Iraq, subway bombings in London, train attacks in Madrid, or Americans jumping to their death from the Twin Towers as they collapsed.
Few can argue that our current approach to this war has deterred fundamentalists from killing Westerners - nor has it prompted "moderate" Muslims and leaders of Muslim countries to do what is necessary to crack down on the extremists in their midst who perpetuate these grisly crimes.
That being the case, perhaps the civilized world must intensify its approach.
Does that mean the United States should be re-targeting its entire missile arsenal on Mecca today? Does it mean we ought to be sending Stealth bombers on runs over Medina? Clearly not.
But should we take any option or target off the table, regardless of the circumstances? Absolutely not, particularly if the mere discussion of an option or target may dissuade a fundamentalist Muslim extremist from strapping on a bomb-filled backpack, or if it might encourage "moderate" Muslims to do a better job cracking down on extremism in their ranks.
Hard to argue with that as with this obserrvation by a commentor there:
When Newsweek publishes a false koran descecration story, riots happen. When open threats are given of genuine retaliation, not a whimper...?
at July 24, 2005 10:41 AM
I'm starting to wonder if Tom Tancredo and I are distant relatives. ;)
at July 24, 2005 11:08 AM
Support this man. I want to see him in the Senate one day soon.
Posted by: Foehammer at July 24, 2005 11:14 AM
feralee...How anyone of right mind could actually convert to that miserable cult is beyond me....
To me, conversion is achieved by selective 'unvelings' and 'revealings' of Islam to the young propsective convert and the new convert.
Initially, concepts like the 5 pillars of individual worship, family and community bonding, 'religion of the oppressed', and so on.
The darker sides of Islam (destroy the infidels, killing the infidel civilians, well, it's just endless), those are unveiled as the young convert's mind is poisoned.
The tactics of a cult executed brilliantly.
at July 24, 2005 11:38 AM
Congradulations guys. The hate mongering, racism, and ethnocentrism displayed on this site by the majority of its users just serves to fan the flames of terrorism and ensures that this war will continue for years to come. Spewing Islamaphobic rhetoric and calling for the killing of Moslems is NO DIFERENT than the anti-Western message and call to arms that is being preaches in radical Mosques. An eye for an eye only leaves everyone blind.
Posted by: SoccerMom109 at July 24, 2005 11:46 AM
To Butterfly: What do you mean the "Black Religion"? You must be one of those who wishes to re-write history by claiming Ancient Egypt to be black, the Arabs to be Black, the Bosnians, The Asians (Indonesia, etc.) and many other groups of people who practice Islam to be Black! Wake up and accept fact! For example,many ancient Egyptians had fine reddish hair and most had non-Negroid hair and features--do a little research on mummies and you'll be shocked! Indeed, study the racial make-up of Moslems and you will see that most are not even Arabs or Black Africans as in Nigeria!
Posted by: ZAK at July 24, 2005 12:05 PM
Bombs in Egypt, like attacks in Saudi Arabia, should not be misinterpreted to support the absurd claim (made in an Op/Ed yesterday by Stephen Hadley, the National Security Adviser) of the "this is a civil war within Islam" type. Oh no it isn't. It was, and remains, and will be, a war of Muslims against Infidels. Some of those Muslims will be willing to bomb places where there will be Muslim casualties -- it would be hard to bomb the London subway, or destroy a skyscraper in New York, and not to expect a few Muslims to be among the dead. Well, that's the price one pays.
And of course, when Ayman al-Zawahiri of Al-Qaeda fame was put on trial in Egypt, it was because he was an enemy of the government, perfectly prepared to use terror attacks against that government -- not because Mubarak was some kind of representative of the "real, the good, the true, the moderate" Islam, but arther because Mubarak was the head of a corrupt regime, corrupt like all Egyptian regimes only even more so, and furthermore was the recipient of Western aid, which necessarily meant, according to both the Ayman al-Zawihiris of this world and the stupider members of Western governments, that this somehow implied that Mubarak, and Egypt, were pro-Western or doing Western bidding -- and of course that is, alas, nonsense.
It will not be surprising to find the worst dullards, the incurably stupid such as Tom Friedman, prating on about the "real battle" is "within Islam" for the "hearts and minds of Muslims." Nonsense. The Jihad is directed at Infidels, and at any Muslims who get in the way, or who are labelled Infidels, quite wrongly of course, simply because there is no other vocabulary within Islam, and never will be within Islma, to describe, to label, those who are somehow deplorable. They simply must be called "Infidels" if they are to become the object of attack; for if the enemies of the Mubarak regime or the Al-Saud family are to have success against them, they must first deny their status as Believers, and identify them as Infidels.
But this does NOT mean that Infidels are not the object of the Jihad world-wide. They are -- the ?Buddhist villagers, the Jewish bus-riders, the English and Spanish subway-riders, the American office-workers, the Russian schoolchildren and theatre-goers, the Dutch bicycle-rider.
Those who make policy continue to exhibit confusion, possibly wilful confusion, about Islam. They elevate trivial differences -- from the viewpoint of Infidels -- about such matters as criminal punishment (hudud) and the treatment of women. No doubt the full application of the Shari'a punishments in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Sudan is upsetting for many Muslims, but why should Infidels take comfort in the absence of such punishments in Turkey or Tunisia? No doubt the treatment of women is worse in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Sudan, than it is in Turkey, but why should Infidels take comfort in that? If some Muslim countries choose not to be fully Muslim, fine - but Iran, for example, was quite different thirty years ago. And in ten years it may be quite different from the way it is today, far freer and less Islamic, but in forty years it could swing back. Islam remains; the canonical texts remain; the entire ideological system remains, ready to be received, and fully accepted, by tens or even hundreds of millions of people. We have no way to guarantee for ourselves or for them that Islam can be permanently kept constrained, tied up as it were by a series of secular rulers or secular constitutions. The example of Turkey, where 80 years of Kemalist legislation, and of the cult of personality of Ataturk himself, have failed to limit Islam, which is back with a vengeance.
It never really went away, though secularised elites in Istanbul convinced themselves, and certainly convinced foreign Infidels -- for a while.
Infidels should not take as some kind of improvement in their direction if a particular regime ends lapidation for adultery (though raising the question can help expose the falsity of certain seemingly-sweet-reasonable Muslims, as it did in the case of Tariq Ramadan)or ceases to chop off hands and legs. They should not think that the kind of constrains women now endure in Saudi Arabia, if lifted, would make Saudi Arabia's Muslims less hostile to Infidels, or less of a threat -- if women entered the workforce in Saudi Arabia, it might make that country more, rather than less, of a threat to Infidels.
Americans and other Infidels, from China to Peru, should also not place much store in the fact that there are sects within Islam -- except insofar as those sects can be set at one another's throats. In Iraq, at the moment, the slightly more acceptable side, for the Americans, would be the Shii'a over the Sunni. But in Lebanon, it would be the settled Sunnis over the more violent Shi'a. In Saudi Arabia, discontent among the Shi'a in al-Hasa province is nothing to discourage, nor internecine war among Sunni and Shi'a in Yemen, or in Pakistan. We do not have a dog in that fight -- or rather, our dog is that which in barking and snarling encourages confusion, division, disarray, and demoralization within Islam (and might make some Muslims, at least, consider whether this belief-system is worth their continued filial piety and lying to themselves, as well as to Infidels, about what it is all about, and always has been).
But a bomb in Riyadh, like a bomb in Sharm-el-Sheikh, should not be taken as a sign of "civil war" within Islam over how to regard Infidels. Infidels are still the enemy. Those who are regarded as bad rulers or regimes in Islam are labelled not "bad rulers" or "bad regimes" but as Infidel rulers, Infidel regimes. Everything for the umma al-islamiyya is perceived, in the end, through the distorting prism of Islam, its categories, its Total Regulation and Explanation of the Universe.
That should never be forgotten. And if it has not been learned, by Bush and Blair, by Condoleeza Rice and Stephen J. Hadley -- well, as Carlyle said when he learned that across the Atlantic the Concord Transcendentalist Margaret Fuler had said Yes to the universe -- By gad, they'd better.
Posted by: Hugh at July 24, 2005 12:13 PM
Spewing Islamaphobic rhetoric
We didn't start this war, and we shouldn't have to walk on egg shells for barbarians. Yes, this war will take years. Maybe generations, until people like you understand that this is a war to preserve freedom from a darkness that will enslave us all.
BTW, there is no such term as "islamaphobia"- what a joke.
at July 24, 2005 12:20 PM
Dear Soccermum.
Please stay around a little and you will discover that
1) Islam is not a race. When a white american becomes a muslim, he becomes a potential problem. When an arab coptic christian commits murder in the name of religion, please be sure to let us know.
2) Islam has at been at war with infidels for 1400 years, today's terror in is nothing new to christians of the Africa, Middle east and Pakistan, to jews, to Hindus, to Sikhs. Accusing islam of being a violent religion is a bit like saying that cows eat grass. It a no brainer.
3) This war is divinely inspired. Please read chapter 5 of the Koran for starters http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html if you have time check out chapter 9 http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.014. If you have a little more time, please check out the Hadiths (sayings of Mohammed) and the Sira (Reports of his deeds).
4) As an introduction to Islam by an ex muslim you could do a lot worse than read Ali Sina's declaration of apostacy http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/why_i_left_islam.htm
5) If you are really interested in learning something about islam, you need to make a little effort. Please read this site for a few days before throwing out comments such as racist and islamophobic. There are people of all colours and religions here. Apart from one or two muslim posters, all here are deeply anti islamic, for reasons that you will discover for yourself if you take the take the time to familiarise yourself with the Religion of Peace.
Good luck to you.
Posted by: Sebastien at July 24, 2005 12:30 PM
ZAK,
My reference was to the black flag of islam and the black tents the women wear. Nothing else. My ancient relatives came from Africa. I chose my name because butterflies have so many beautiful colors. Color is not the point, islam is.
black religion=islam
Posted by: butterfly at July 24, 2005 12:33 PM
you tell her C2!
we didn't ask for this war, it, like all wars waged on the peace-loving, was forced on us. but i'll be damned if any of us are going to back down, even if so many around us are so firmly rooted in their obliviousness. we can only keep up the information flow and wake people one at a time.
Soccermom, keep coming back, read Robert Spencer and Victor David Hanson, read a koran for God's sake. my 80 year old mother grew up in wartime Germany, she knows the true face of fascism. she stated, with the conviction of experience, that only the uniforms are different. don't take 80 years to understand the truth. you don't have that long.
do you seriously think i wouldn't rather be doing something else with my time? do you think i enjoy sitting around talking with people about the encroaching threat to our lives and way of life, or that i prefer lying awake at night worrying instead of sleeping like a baby?
we're not the Klan or the BNP, we're decent, regular folks who happened to notice the clouds on the horizon. i will NOT apologize for that.
Posted by: t-ham at July 24, 2005 12:45 PM
soccermom;
by the way,
i sincerely want you to stick around, we need you, too. we need you to take what you learn here and tell others. tell them you've read, tell them where we can be found.
one of the wonderful things about freedom and democracy is that there is room for differing opinions. people can disagree or even go against common accepted ideas, without worrying about being killed for not "toeing the line". read it all, toss the most rabid comments and the most inane, and concentrate on the ones in the middle if you want, but read them. i'll admit we all have our bad-hair days, but the overwhelming preponderance of evidence cannot be dismissed. apply critical thought, question the assumptions, but be willing to identify truth for what it is, when you see it.
Posted by: t-ham at July 24, 2005 1:03 PM
"1) Islam is not a race. When a white american becomes a muslim, he becomes a potential problem. When an arab coptic christian commits murder in the name of religion, please be sure to let us know."
You're correct that being Islam isn't a "race" but when people are using terms like "[deleted]" racism is pretty implicit. The fact of the matter is that many Moslems view the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to be acts of Christian violence against Moslems. (I don't necessarily agree with this, I'm just showing their point-of-view).
"2) Islam has at been at war with infidels for 1400 years, today's terror in is nothing new to christians of the Africa, Middle east and Pakistan, to jews, to Hindus, to Sikhs. Accusing islam of being a violent religion is a bit like saying that cows eat grass. It a no brainer."
If you are going to try and argue that this isn't two sided then you are either braindead or in denial. Have you ever heard of the Crusades? Violence has gone hand in hand with the spread of Christianity as well.
3) This war is divinely inspired. Please read chapter 5 of the Koran for starters http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html if you have time check out chapter 9 http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.014. If you have a little more time, please check out the Hadiths (sayings of Mohammed) and the Sira (Reports of his deeds).
We could go back and forth all day quoting passages from the Bible (try Deuteronomy for one) and the Koran that advocate the killing and massacre of non-believers but that really doesn't accomplish much as each side tries to pass these off as just "stories or parables not to be taken literally".
"4) As an introduction to Islam by an ex muslim you could do a lot worse than read Ali Sina's declaration of apostacy http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/why_i_left_islam.htm"
Again, I'm going to assume that you are a Christian (like myself) and that you have at least studied some of the bible. There are similar messages and ideas throughout both Holy Books. When anyone, either Moslem or Christian, takes these readings literally then problems arise.
"5) If you are really interested in learning something about islam, you need to make a little effort. Please read this site for a few days before throwing out comments such as racist and islamophobic. There are people of all colours and religions here. Apart from one or two muslim posters, all here are deeply anti islamic, for reasons that you will discover for yourself if you take the take the time to familiarise yourself with the Religion of Peace."
I have taken the time, and lots of it. The diference is that I don't just go looking for quotes and small pieces of the picture that back up my bigoted and backward views as many of you seem to.
at July 24, 2005 1:19 PM
"we didn't ask for this war, it, like all wars waged on the peace-loving, was forced on us. but i'll be damned if any of us are going to back down, even if so many around us are so firmly rooted in their obliviousness. we can only keep up the information flow and wake people one at a time."
You are trying to oversimplify an incredibly complex issue. Whether or not you agree with it, there are plenty of arguments that US and Western policy in the Middle East has been a direct cause of the hatred and violence that we've seen commited against us. Try reading this article for some good background on the situation.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-159.html
at July 24, 2005 1:26 PM
The Crusades were a defensive response to over 400 years of islamic cruelty and conquest. Read Robert Spencer's books on the subject. Remember that Jesus came first as a baby to be the perfect sacrifice, this time He is "The Roaring Lion of Judah".
Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 24, 2005 1:34 PM
I dismiss the "blame America first" crowd without one bit of guilt.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 24, 2005 1:51 PM
SoccerMom109,
You say there is no difference in rhetoric between groups. I believe it is 180 degrees different. One beckons it followers to kill others, Unbelievers, because they are told it is a religious obligation stated in their sacred book. Conversely, we Unbelievers say we must protect ourselves against these cavemen at all cost, as a matter of survival. The difference between the good guys and the bad guys, and their rhetoric, seems obvious from my perspective.
Ref: moral equivalence
at July 24, 2005 2:10 PM
SoccerMom-
Go to the http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Default.htm, and I also suggest memritv if you are interested in the other side's uncensored point of view. Here is a list of the ROPs actions for the latter part of 2001, there are a total of 2400 attacks on this site (this does not include those killed in Darfur). The author believes that the list is underrepresents attacks, since not all are reported in the international news, (which is their reference point).
12/31/01 Pakistan Karachi 0 15 Fifteen persons injured in a bomb blast in a residential area.
12/30/01 Nigeria Vwang 5 0 Armed Muslims attack Christian community, kill five and destroy much of the town.
12/25/01 Israel Beit She'an 1 4 One Israeli reservist was killed an four others wounded in a shooting attack.
12/21/01 India Poshkreeri, Anantnag 3 1 Terrorists kill three girls (ages 12, 16, 18) and injure their mother because they were Sikhs.
12/21/01 India Hogam 2 0 Two Hindu women shot to death by Muslim terrorists.
12/19/01 Indonesia Kapaha 9 1 Nine Christians aboard a boat are killed by Jihad attackers.
12/13/01 India New Delhi 7 0 Militant Muslims execute a suicide attack on the Indian parliament, leaving twelve people dead.
12/13/01 Pakistan Karachi 0 19 Nineteen persons injured in a "holy warrior" bomb blast in a residential area.
12/12/01 Israel Samaria 11 30 Fatah and Hamas (Islamic Resistance) attackers used roadside bomb, anti-tank grenades and light arms fire to kill eleven and injure thirty passengers on a bus.
12/11/01 Indonesia Bay of Ambon 7 42 Muslims bomb a boat and then attempt to stab the survivors to death in the water.
12/7/01 Indonesia Ewiri 2 3 Jihadists attack a Christian village, killing two and wounding three.
12/2/01 Israel Haifa 15 40 Muslim terrorists killed fifteen people and injured forty who were riding on a bus.
12/1/01 Israel Jerusalem 11 180 Eleven teen-agers were killed by two "holy warrior" suicide bombers. Most of the one-hundred and eighty injuries were also to teen-agers.
11/29/01 Israel Hadera 3 9 Three killed and nine wounded in Palestinian attack on a bus-stop.
11/27/01 Israel Gush Katif 1 3 Woman killed while driving home. Three others injured.
11/27/01 Israel Afula 2 50 Fatah and Islamic Jihad terrorists fire assault rifles at a crowded bus-stop, killing two and injuring about fifty.
11/19/01 Afghanistan Tangi Abrishum 4 0 Four journalists are abducted and shot to death. In April of 2003 the men responsible (Taliban supporters) are finally taken into custody.
11/13/01 Indonesia Ambon 2 5 Muslim attack kills two Christians and injures five more.
11/12/01 Indonesia Ambon 3 19 Package bomb kills three and injures nineteen.
11/9/01 Israel Samaria 1 0 Woman shot and killed by Muslim terrorists as she was driving home from work.
11/6/01 Israel Nablus 1 0 Israeli Captain killed in Palestinian ambush.
11/4/01 Israel Jerusalem 2 45 Two boys, ages 14 and 16, where gunned down by Palestinian terrorists at a bus-stop. Forty-five others were injured.
11/4/01 Pakistan Mehargam 5 2 Five persons, including a former District Council chairman, are killed and two more injured in firing by gunmen.
11/2/01 Israel Ofra 1 0 19-year-old soldier killed when Palestinian gunmen open fire at a roadblock.
11/1/01 Indonesia Tomata 3 12 Jihad warriors attack Christian village and kill three.
11/1/01 Indonesia Waimulang 5 2 Jihad warriors attack Christian village, killing five and wounding at least two.
11/1/01 Indonesia Palu 4 0 Four Christians murdered by Jihad terrorists at an illegal roadblock.
11/1/01 Iraq Mosul 2 2 Roadside bombing by Sunni terrorists kills two U.S. soldiers and injures two others.
10/28/01 Israel Hadera 4 39 Palestinian terrorists open fire on a bus-stop killing four and wounding nearly 40.
10/28/01 Pakistan Model Town, Bahawalpur 18 9 A policeman and seventeen Christians, including five children, are killed and nine others injured when six gunmen opened fire on a church.
10/28/01 Pakistan Quetta 2 25 Blast inside a bus kills two army personnel and injures another twenty-five.
10/28/01 Israel Metzer 1 0 Fatah terrorists kill one Jew in a machine gun attack.
10/27/01 Israel Ariel 3 19 Muslim suicide bomber kills three and injures nineteen at a gas station.
10/26/01 Pakistan Lahore 1 4 Bomb blast kills a doctor and injures four other people.
10/22/01 Indonesia Toyado 2 0 Two men murdered by Jihad terrorists.
10/22/01 India Awantipora 2 2 Two civilians killed by Fediyeen suicide attack.
10/21/01 Indonesia Toyado 1 0 Christian is pulled from a car and hacked to death by Jihad warriors.
10/20/01 Indonesia Betalemba 2 0 At least two killed in a Muslim attack on Christian village.
10/18/01 Israel Mar Saba 1 2 Palestinian terrorists kill one and seriously injure two by firing on their vehicle in the Judean desert.
10/17/01 Mauritania Nouakchott 1 1 The Mauritania director of the international relief organization, World Vision, is gunned down while walking with his young daughter. She was also shot, but did not die.
10/17/01 Israel Jerusalem 1 0 Israeli Tourism Minister, 75, assassinated in the hallway of the Hyatt Hotel.
10/16/01 Indonesia Madale 1 1 Muslim mob burns Christian refugee barracks and kill one, seriously injure one other.
10/14/01 Indonesia Tentena 1 8 Jihad warriors attack passenger bus. They kill a 22-year-old woman and injure eight other people.
10/14/01 Pakistan Karachi 2 0 Two policeman killed by gunman. This occurs two days after several security force personnel were killed by pro-Islamic demonstrators.
10/7/01 Israel Sheluhot 1 0 Hamas (Islamic Resistance) suicide bomber kills one civilian.
10/7/01 Saudi Arabia Khobar 2 4 Parcel bomb kills two, including an American, and injures four.
10/5/01 Israel Avnei Hefetz 1 0 Palestinian machine-gun ambush kills Israeli civilian.
10/4/01 Israel Afula 3 13 Palestinian terrorist disguised as Israeli paratrooper opens fire on crowded bus stop and kills three, injures thirteen.
10/3/01 Indonesia Peleru 10 0 Jihad warriors kill 10 Christian villagers and injure an unknown number.
10/2/01 Israel Alei Sinai 2 15 Two young men (19 and 20) were killed in their homes by grenade attack. Fifteen others were wounded.
10/1/01 Indonesia Tomata 3 0 Terrorists attack a Christian church, killing three women.
10/1/01 India Srinagar 38 60 Suicide bomber and additional Islamic militants kill and injure mostly civilians at the J&K State Assembly.
9/26/01 Algeria Larbaa 22 7 Armed Islamists kill twenty-two civilians and wound seven.
9/24/01 Israel Shadmot Mehol 1 0 Islamic Jihad kills 28-year-old Israeli.
9/23/01 UK Cambridge 1 0 17-year-old beaten with a hammer and stabbed to death by Muslim gang in Britain. (Ross Parker murder).
9/21/01 France Toulouse 29 2000 About two-thousand people are injured, and more than two-dozen killed when a radical Islamist blows up a fertilizer plant in a suburban part of France.
9/20/01 Israel Tekoa 1 1 Wife killed, husband injured in shooting attack by Palestinian gunmen.
9/17/01 India Handwara, Kupwara 9 0 Personnel sleeping inside the basement of a building were attacked by two LeT fidayeen using grenades. Nine SF personnel and one fidayeen were killed.
9/15/01 Israel Jerusalem 1 0 23-year-old Israeli killed by Palestinian.
9/12/01 Israel Habla 1 0 Jewish woman shot to death while driving home.
9/11/01 Israel Bachan 2 0 Two policeman (ages 19 and 26) were killed when Palestinian gunmen opened fire at a border checkpoint.
About the List of Terrorist Attacks by Muslims
at July 24, 2005 2:24 PM
Soccermom, what about about racism against non muslims, does that count? Or should we be "sensitive" to the cultural context that nonmuslim girls are fair game?
The four brothers hunted girls like a pack of wild dogs. For six months in 2002, they targeted young, vulnerable girls, lured them to their home in Ashfield, and raped them. They would video their victims, typically baby-faced teenagers, semi-conscious after being plied with alcohol, as they committed grossly degrading acts.
Many of the girls on the videotapes, perhaps a dozen, could not be identified by the police. Of those who could, only six agreed to testify at trial and only three of them did. That they went ahead at all is remarkable - they had to endure countless delays over two years because the brothers persuaded the courts their trials could not proceed as juries might have been prejudiced by publicity about the crimes.
Until now the media has been forbidden from publishing anything about the trials or why they were delayed. Now they are over, the Herald can reveal the full extent of the crimes of MSK, 26, MAK, 25, MRK, 20, and MMK, 19 - but still cannot name them because two were juveniles at the time.
Their attacks followed a pattern - MMK, then 16, would befriend a girl, meet her several times, and build up her trust. Eventually, he would invite her to the Ashfield house for "a party", encouraging her to bring a friend or two. He and MAK would pick them up from home or a train station, while the other men waited at the house. They would then spend hours getting the girls to drink alcohol before they pounced.
The brothers, Muslims from Pakistan, targeted mostly Anglo-Saxon Australian girls whom they would later call "sluts" as they attacked them.
"They were like a pack of animals. The videos reminded me of a pack of hyenas around a carcass," he said. "They targeted girls who were vulnerable, they were young, they were naive, and they were susceptible to being told they were beautiful. They … got their trust and moved in for the kill."
Some of the attacks were extremely violent - girls were held at knifepoint and told they would be killed if they went to police. After another girl was assaulted, MRK allegedly threw her against a wall and said: "If a Leb wants to f--- you, you f--- them."
The "Leb" seems to be a reference to the phrase used in the infamous Skaf gang rapes - "I'm going to f--- you Leb-style".
The brothers came to Australia from Pakistan around 2001 with other members of their family, brought over by their father. The eldest, MSK, is married with a six-year-old son.
The victims got no sympathy from the brothers' family.
After the first conviction in 2003, the boys' father said: "What do they expect to happen to them? Girls from Pakistan don't go out at night."
Contacted in Sydney last month by the Herald he said: "You are the enemy. You are the enemy of the Muslim. You white people help only the white people … they are not rapists."
Posted by: treehugger at July 24, 2005 2:32 PM
Of course, if you are sufficiently politically correct and ignore the problem, it really isn't happening.....
The Norwegian Government - Covering Up Immigrant Rapes
Here are statistics published by the police in Oslo, Norway, September 2001:
Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily.The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year. While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.
There is every reason to believe that the numbers were real, as Denmark published almost identical statistics at the same time.
The numbers published in September 2001 were discussed in at least to out of Norway's three largest newspapers: Aftenposten and Dagbladet. A leading member of the Liberal Party (Venstre), Odd Einar Dørum, demanded all the numbers be put on the table: "A scumbag is a scumbag, regardless of skin color".
Four years later, Dørum is Minister of Justice, and nobody has seen these statistics since 2001. The number of rape charges in Oslo have continued to rise, reaching record levels in 2004. There is ample evidence of brutal gang rapes, something that used to be rare in Scandinavia, being committed by immigrants against native girls. For instance, 21st of July, three men were charged with gang raping a 15-year-old Norwegian girl, who was dragged into a car while waiting for a bus at the bus station in the town of Fredrikstad. All the men were of "foreign origin". Such cases have become almost routine. The only possible explanation for why we longer are presented statistics showing the percentage of immigrants involved in this is that the government is covering it up. Usually, this would have made the media demand that the Minister of Justice should resign. This has not happened, although I know several journalists have been reading the posts I have made about this topic, both in English and in Norwegian. To make matters worse, while Norwegian women are increasingly unsafe in their own capital, we hear calls for even more immigration, and 85 % of our MPs pass a law saying that we are guilty of discriminating against immigrants until proven otherwise.
Posted by: treehugger
at July 24, 2005 2:36 PM
"soccer-mom" is just another troll.
The usual deflecting and obfuscating...
Your name wouldn't be "Tollerschwantz" on another thread?
Posted by: Terminator at July 24, 2005 3:03 PM
"Soccermom" might be the latest incarnation of King Taqiyyance. If so, don't bother with him. Not worth your effort.
Posted by: Infidel33 at July 24, 2005 3:03 PM
I'm not attempting to "Blame America first". All I am saying is that there are two sides to the coin. Your list of attacks has plenty of attacks by Palestinians on Israelis, but how many Palestinians have died in that same time period. If you add up all those attacks it still pales in comparison to the 22,000-25,000 civillians killed just in Iraq since the war began.
IRAQ BODY COUNT Press Release
A Dossier of Civilian Casualties in Iraq
2003–2005
Download the dossier here (pdf format)
http://reports.iraqbodycount.org/a_dossier_of_civilian_casualties_2003-2005.pdf
New analysis of civilian casualties in Iraq: Report unveils comprehensive details
"A Dossier on Civilian Casualties in Iraq, 2003-2005" is the first detailed account of all non-combatants reported killed or wounded during the first two years of the continuing conflict. The report, published by Iraq Body Count in association with Oxford Research Group, is based on comprehensive analysis of over 10,000 media reports published between March 2003 and March 2005.
Findings include:
Who was killed?
* 24,865 civilians were reported killed in the first two years.
* Women and children accounted for almost 20% of all civilian deaths.
* Baghdad alone recorded almost half of all deaths.
When did they die?
* 30% of civilian deaths occurred during the invasion phase before 1 May 2003.
* Post-invasion, the number of civilians killed was almost twice as high in year two (11,351) as in year one (6,215).
Who did the killing?
* US-led forces killed 37% of civilian victims.
* Anti-occupation forces/insurgents killed 9% of civilian victims.
* Post-invasion criminal violence accounted for 36% of all deaths.
* Killings by anti-occupation forces, crime and unknown agents have shown a steady rise over the entire period.
What was the most lethal weaponry?
* Over half (53%) of all civilian deaths involved explosive devices.
* Air strikes caused most (64%) of the explosives deaths.
* Children were disproportionately affected by all explosive devices but most severely by air strikes and unexploded ordnance (including cluster bomblets).
How many were injured?
* At least 42,500 civilians were reported wounded.
* The invasion phase caused 41% of all reported injuries.
* Explosive weaponry caused a higher ratio of injuries to deaths than small arms.
* The highest wounded-to-death ratio incidents occurred during the invasion phase.
Who provided the information?
* Mortuary officials and medics were the most frequently cited witnesses.
* Three press agencies provided over one third of the reports used.
* Iraqi journalists are increasingly central to the reporting work.
Speaking today at the launch of the report in London, Professor John Sloboda, FBA, one of the report's authors said: "The ever-mounting Iraqi death toll is the forgotten cost of the decision to go to war in Iraq. On average, 34 ordinary Iraqis have met violent deaths every day since the invasion of March 2003. Our data show that no sector of Iraqi society has escaped. We sincerely hope that this research will help to inform decision-makers around the world about the real needs of the Iraqi people as they struggle to rebuild their country. It remains a matter of the gravest concern that, nearly two and half years on, neither the US nor the UK governments have begun to systematically measure the impact of their actions in terms of human lives destroyed."
Posted by: SoccerMom109 at July 24, 2005 3:05 PM
Boy-o-boy! Presenting the latest column from Mark Steyn - a true joy to read. Steyn is easily among the best op-ed columnists in the Anglo saxon world.
An Excerpt:
Bomb us, and we agonise over the "root causes" (that is, what we did wrong). Decapitate us, and our politicians rush to the nearest mosque to declare that "Islam is a religion of peace". Issue bloodcurdling calls at Friday prayers to kill all the Jews and infidels, and we fret that it may cause a backlash against Muslims. Behead sodomites and mutilate female genitalia, and gay groups and feminist groups can't wait to march alongside you denouncing Bush, Blair and Howard. Murder a schoolful of children, and our scholars explain that to the "vast majority" of Muslims "jihad" is a harmless concept meaning "decaf latte with skimmed milk and cinnamon sprinkles".
Read it all and pass it around.
Posted by: voletti at July 24, 2005 3:21 PM
Soccermom:
Please understand that Islam is very different from Christianity and Judaism in one very fundamental way: the Koran, unlike the Old and New Testaments, is considered by Muslims to be the direct word of God (not merely a divinely inspired chronology written collectively over many years by many anonymous hands) and an absolute, unchanging, eternal prescription for specific behavior, mandating the believers to fight non-Muslims (militarily, financially, and demographically) until all the infidel have been subjugated. This is a theological imperative for all Muslims, who are enjoined to wage battle against the infidel, forever. Read the Koran, especially the first six surahs (i.e. chapters) and see for yourself. You can probably find copies of the Koran, translated into English, from your public library. Borrow one and cringe. It's ugly stuff. I also urgently recommend The Sword of the Prophet, by Serge Trifkovic (Regina Orthodox Press) - this book should be required reading in all of our schools.
Thanks for reading this.
at July 24, 2005 3:40 PM
"Boy-o-boy! Presenting the latest column from Mark Steyn - a true joy to read. Steyn is easily among the best op-ed columnists in the Anglo saxon world.
An Excerpt:
Bomb us, and we agonise over the "root causes" (that is, what we did wrong). Decapitate us, and our politicians rush to the nearest mosque to declare that "Islam is a religion of peace". Issue bloodcurdling calls at Friday prayers to kill all the Jews and infidels, and we fret that it may cause a backlash against Muslims. Behead sodomites and mutilate female genitalia, and gay groups and feminist groups can't wait to march alongside you denouncing Bush, Blair and Howard. Murder a schoolful of children, and our scholars explain that to the "vast majority" of Muslims "jihad" is a harmless concept meaning "decaf latte with skimmed milk and cinnamon sprinkles".
Read it all and pass it around."
Johnelle Bryant's story has been debunked numerous times. She claimed to have met with Atta before INS records show he entered the country.
http://www.computerbytesman.com/911/fishy.htm
http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/Bryant,Johnelle.shtml
at July 24, 2005 4:23 PM
Soccermom-
You are right, we should never get involved in another country's problems.
Let Saddam's torture chambers roll on. Let the Middle East delvolve in chaos and war, let all hell break lose in Darfur.
Innocent people might get hurt or killed if we try to intervene.
And WWII, gosh, we should have just stayed out of that one....we killed quite a few innocents along with the Nazis. Maybe we should have just flown the white flag when Pearl Harbor was attacked, and we would have saved both Japanese and American lives!!! Of course, you would be speaking Japanese, but what a small price to pay for peace!!!!
We can sit here, all fat and happy, and be morally perfect, since we never get involved in other people's problems and can never make mistakes. It's so much easier to be perfect if you never get involved in the real world, isn't it? Never have to face down the bad guys, never make a tough decision. We can all live in a little fantasy world sheltered by those who are willing to put THEIR lives on the line to protect us. And if, god forbid, they make a mistake or error of judgement, we can turn on them like a pack of starving wolves because THEY AREN'T PERFECT, UNLIKE THOSE OF US WHO NEVER TAKE ANY RISKS IN OUR SMUG LITTLE LIVES TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!!!!
at July 24, 2005 4:24 PM
Here's a clue: muslims did it. Round 'em up; ship 'em out.
Posted by: Havoc at July 24, 2005 4:42 PM
Treehugger-
Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and a war criminal and should be punished to the full extent of the law. You can only use that argument so many times before it really starts to sound tired. Regardless of our reasons for going into Iraq, we are still killing innocent civillians and fueling the flames of anti-American hatred.
The whole world war two argument is equally as tired and just dodges the point. I don't hear even the most bleeding heart of liberals saying that we should not have gone to war with Japan or Germany.
There are plenty of ways to defend liberty, democracy and justice without picking up an M16 and marching into any country that you feel threatened by. As far as living in a fantasy world goes, you seem to be living in one where the world is all black and white issues.
at July 24, 2005 5:05 PM
I,ve been reading the comments on this site for some while. Alot of informed people are chapped-off for good reasons. Some I guess figure it's not in our backyard so no true concern is needed. Anyways I get the feeling few people on this board own a Koran. You need to read it yourself. High-lite the places it says to kill jews and christians. And then there are the infidels ,you know everyone that is'nt one of them. How about the places it degrades women. To make a long story short it's a
hard and confusing book to read. Might need some tylonel before you finish the first surah. Keep the bottle handy.
I go to the mosques and their protests upon occasion. It's fun to watch their faces when you ask them "When are you going to kill me?" They
say I have wrong translation. I say "I'm at your mosque,get me the right one." They say "We can't do that". Of course the next question is---Why are you more loyal to the culture you live in than the Koran? How do you choose which part to follow? How do you reject some of the Koran and still consider your self a muslem? It's all or nothing.
The day is here. Choices are being made. Soon
America's backyard will be active.
at July 24, 2005 5:32 PM
Soccermom109 -
You flatter yourself if you believe that those "other ways" are meaningful in a world led by people like Sadaam Hussein, OBL, etc.
Your blather is as the bleating of lambs. Grow up; be a man. (At least, fake it.)
Posted by: Havoc at July 24, 2005 5:39 PM
Soccermom109-
Yes, let the UN handle it.
They are now requesting US troops in Haiti, because the locals aren't impressed by the UN troops, and lawlessness is continuing.
They aren't "scary" enough (words from UN general).
Is that what you mean by an effective solution?
I'm also sure that if we just "talked" with the Janjaweed in Darfur, and found out how they are "misunderstood" and how our "misguided" foreign policy requires them to bash in the heads of six year old african children everything would be ok.
The same for Zarqawi et al....
Since you seem to believe that psychopaths can always be stopped with sweet reason, why don't you volunteer as a human shield in Darfur?
"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those that would do us harm".
at July 24, 2005 6:09 PM
Soccermom109:
"I have taken the time, and lots of it. The diference is that I don't just go looking for quotes and small pieces of the picture that back up my bigoted and backward views as many of you seem to."
"I'm not attempting to "Blame America first". All I am saying is that there are two sides to the coin."
No, Soccermom109, there is only one side to this particular coin that you need to worry about now. The winning side.
Which side will that be?
Choose.
at July 24, 2005 6:31 PM
'Soccermom109' -- a clever rubric...
You've had the privilege of thriving in a world free from Nazi fascist hegemony in part because we utterly defeated the Nazi war menace by being ruthless. In part, this entailed the destruction of the German war machine, including an estimated 2,000,000 fascist civilian enablers, as unfortunate as that may have been... We did it, the Russians did it, the British did it... I don't regret our ruthlessness at all -- do you?
You've had the privilege of thriving in a world free from Japanese fascist hegemony in part because we utterly defeated the Japanese war menace by being ruthless. In part, this entailed the destruction of the Japanese war machine, including an estimated 1,200,000 fascist civilian enablers, as unfortunate at that may have been... We did it, the Russians did it... I don't regret our ruthlessness at all -- do you?
While your idealism is perhaps admirable in a certain sense, your lack of perspective is not. I have faith that we have done as much as possible to minimize civilian deaths, including increasing the daily risks to our soldiers. I support that idea, but it appears to me you haven't credited it in the least.
You also create a moral equivalency in the current conflict whereby the deliberate targeting of civilians by our terrorist enemy is roughly the same as our accidental killing of civilians in our fight against the terrorists. By the way, even using YOUR statistics, the greatest number of 'civilians' killed are those murdered deliberately by the terrorists themselves. You have put forward a recreant comparison. And it is treacherous in that it lends credence to our enemy's pretexts for waging jihad in the first place, and justifies post facto his inhumane tactics of deliberat murder and terrorism.
at July 24, 2005 6:36 PM
From the time of its creation to this day,the world, as we know it, has lived in a perpetual state of war.
So why are we surprised by the the daily events of terrorism ?.
We have gone through the world wars in Europe to the small wars in Asia and Africa and now to terrorism based on religious wars.
Since we were not able to find a solution we must accept the facts and live with it. As soon as we do, our anxieties will drop and we can still live a decent life.
For those who find it difficult, I would suggest you emigrate to some islands in the Pacific or to countries like New Zealand or Antarctica.
Unfortunately, it is too late for us Europeans, Americans, Aussies, Asians and Africans.
For those who get the adrenaline from it, join the US Army or go emigrate to Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Kashmir, Turkey, Egypt, Algeria.
Tough Luck.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at July 24, 2005 7:21 PM
"'Soccermom109' -- a clever rubric..."
-- from a posting by jsla above
Indeed.
With that carefully-contrived appeal to the reservoir of good feeling and unwariness that such self-identification evokes in ever-trusting Infidels -- so homespun, so harried-motherish, so disarmingly all-American. What could be better?
Posted by: Hugh at July 24, 2005 8:15 PM
In a surprising twist CAIR-Canada has abandoned the denial phase of their Crusade
to Islamisize Canada, ever sine 9/11/01 the Muslims in Canada have stand pat on their claim that Muslims and Islam had nothing to do with any
terrorism actted out by "Self-professed" followers of Islam.
Now that the hollow rant and diatribes about Racism and Islamophobia have worn thin and are no longer believable,in fact actually laughable,CAIR
is pretending to take the terror threats seriously and now wants to ask all Muslims to Police their own Mosques and neighbourhoods to weed out this radical element within Islam.
Wow,it only took almost 4 years to accept the truth,now if they only look at the Quran and Muhammed and see the truth there that shows a death-cult created by a misogynistic pedophile.
at July 24, 2005 8:26 PM
My dear "Soccermom109":
Just for the information of the people of good will who post here, I would like to state that the term "sandn---rs" appears nowhere on the Jihad Watch site except in your post above.
Comments are unmoderated. I established the non-presence of the word through a Google search just now. If there has been something posted more recently using this word, please let me know and I will remove it.
Comments are indeed unmoderated, but I have called many times here for reasonable responses that contribute to positive discussion and debate. Your assertion, in the absence of any evidence to support it, does not contribute to that discussion or debate, but only smears those who are trying to resist the jihad. Your reasons for doing that become clearer every time you post.
Are you here to discuss matters reasonably, or to make false accusations in service of your own agenda?
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at July 24, 2005 8:35 PM
Thank You for your timely interjection, Mr. Spencer.
Just for the information of the people of good will who post here, I would like to state that the term "sandn---rs" appears nowhere on the Jihad Watch site except in your post above.
Unsurprising, really. So soccermom is another taqiyyaist bent upon sullying this site's name by using unacceptable racist slurs and thereby getting the sitename caught in web filters.
Whether she(he?) is leftist or moslem, doesn't matter but malicious intent is definitely a possibility, seems like.
Just like KingTaqiyya on the DW threads, I sincerely hope JWers would learn to leave trolls unfed.
Posted by: voletti at July 24, 2005 9:23 PM
Robert says,
"...I would like to state that the term "sandn---rs" appears nowhere on the Jihad Watch site except in your post above."
The term was posted, but I am unable to direct you to its specificity.
I read it while perusing this thread and I know that I haven't developed dementia yet.
It was there.
at July 24, 2005 9:41 PM
Soccermom,
Based on your nick, I am assuming that you are a mom. Based on that I want you to think about your children. You want great things for your children, to grow up free, to make their own choices (good or bad). If your teenage daughter should have sex, would you want to see her put in a pit up to her shoulders and stoned to death, or have her brother feel duty bound to kill her for the "family honor". How about having your young son feel obligated to strap explosives to his waist and run into a crowd of innocent people and kill himself and as many as possible. This is what we are fighting. War is a terrible thing, but sometimes not going to war can be far far worse. I fought in a war that probably should not have been fought, but, this one must be fought. I know, it is terrible to see on the evening news that we lose some of our best young men and women over there. But they are making a difference, slowly but surely. Saddam is gone, but there are other monsters out there that would be happy to eat your children. We are striving here to prevent that. Some of our rhetoric does get out of hand, thats because we see what we are up against, we are frustrated with liberal left and MSM and PC. Now please go kiss your children and be very greatfull that there are people out here like us will do whatever we can to keep these monsters from eating your children.
Posted by: Sharku
at July 24, 2005 9:43 PM
My dear Skeetstreet:
I did not remove any posts from this thread. Rebecca may have, but I don't think she has been working today.
If you see it, if it is indeed on some other thread, please let me know and I will delete it.
I banned a longtime poster not long ago for a similar slur, and I will not tolerate this kind of thing, which plays into the hands of our enemies.
But I suspect that Voletti's surmise is correct about "Soccermom."
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at July 24, 2005 10:31 PM
I saw it as well, posted by some guy Josh/Jason?.
Went back to find it and make a comment about how it was inappropriate, and couldn't find it again.
No loss.
Posted by: treehugger at July 24, 2005 10:53 PM
Soccermom is a shill. One must not be taken in.
In any event, if soccermom was for real she would be my enemy. Hear that soccermom fool - I would want to come after you as you would be the enemy within jeopardizing my safety, that of my family and friends. Nor could you be relied on in a fight against our enemies - so you are an enemy.
And now for my incendiary (I hope) words:
sedition and kuffar murder is preached from just about every unmonitored mosque in the world - so why do we tolerate it in the West ?
Islam is a hate filled, deception encouraging and militantly aggressive ideology, sending out their explodeidiots to carry out their agenda.Capture or kill the worst, identify and isolate others, coerce the "moderates" to modify Islam, and NAME THE EVIL. In this "Soccermom" you are the Fifth Column. I feel privileged to be able to point my finger at you here.
at July 24, 2005 11:05 PM
soccer teams in the kingdom of saudi arabia (for example) looking for "mums" to help coach teams
some rules for potential "mums" of soccer males:
you must actually be a female (those posing as females are subject to harsh punishments)
remember - it's a men only game -so only your son(s) are authorized to participate
you must be in full burkha -head-to-toe- at anytime while on the way to, from, on or off the field -even if temperatures reach 45 degree C or above
if arriving to soccer sand box in SUV - remember - all women must not be in the front seat - and of course -no driving by women - at any time
ensure to entry via women's only entry/exits
you may only participate in the presence of your male famliy member (husband, son(s), father, brother, or any combination thereof)
women shall stay in women only designated zones and shall not stray from these at any time - unless departing/arriving
above all - remember - if you are caught alone - without male-relative chaperone-anywhere-at anytime - you are subject to laws which will remove even more rights than the few you already have
Posted by: PCKills! at July 24, 2005 11:36 PM
Soccermom,
Wow, you are easily offended. Let's see how offended are you by the Muslims' words in Arabic. Just watch a few pearls of the other side at http://www.memri.org/video/index.html .
at July 25, 2005 2:47 AM
in re; soccerimam,
It's certainly not surprizing a PC lefty would hide behind race-baiting when a logical argument so easily dismisses them. Isn't more notable that JW removed the offending post? Now put your burka back on and go hate some jews will ya?
at July 25, 2005 3:05 AM
in re; soccerimam,
It's certainly not surprizing a PC lefty would hide behind race-baiting when a logical argument so easily dismisses them. Isn't more notable that JW removed the offending post? Now put your burka back on and go hate some jews will ya?
at July 25, 2005 3:05 AM
soccermum:
I don`t see you bleeding for the 60 million hindus killed by muslims (the world`s largest holocaust), another 3 million hindus killed in Bangladesh by muslims, 1 million non-muslims killed in Sudan by muslims. i have more egs available on request.
Seems to me like you are doing more of a jihad than the muslims. On the other hand you could be a juan cole clone in diapers.
Meanwhile your religion of pieces has one of their `peaceful` forms (Stephen Schwartz`s sufis) say this:
Kufr and Islam are opposed to each other. The progress of one is possible only at the expense of the other and co-existence between these two contradictory faiths is unthinkable.
The honor of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects kafirs, dishonors the Muslims. To respect them does not merely mean honoring them and assigning them a seat of honor in any assembly, but it also implies keeping company with them or showing considerations to them. They should be kept at an arm’s length like dogs….If some worldly business cannot be performed without them, in that case only a minimum of contact should be established with them but without taking them into confidence. The highest Islamic sentiment asserts that it is better to forego that worldly business and that no relationship should be established with the kafirs.
The real purpose in levying jizya on them (the non-Muslims) is to humiliate them to such an extent that, on account of fear of jizya , they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It in intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honor and might of Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004940.php
at July 25, 2005 3:35 AM
soccermum:
I don`t see you bleeding for the 60 million hindus killed by muslims (the world`s largest holocaust), another 3 million hindus killed in Bangladesh by muslims, 1 million non-muslims killed in Sudan by muslims. i have more egs available on request.
Seems to me like you are doing more of a jihad than the muslims. On the other hand you could be a juan cole clone in diapers.
Meanwhile your religion of pieces has one of their `peaceful` forms (Stephen Schwartz`s sufis) say this:
Kufr and Islam are opposed to each other. The progress of one is possible only at the expense of the other and co-existence between these two contradictory faiths is unthinkable.
The honor of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects kafirs, dishonors the Muslims. To respect them does not merely mean honoring them and assigning them a seat of honor in any assembly, but it also implies keeping company with them or showing considerations to them. They should be kept at an arm’s length like dogs….If some worldly business cannot be performed without them, in that case only a minimum of contact should be established with them but without taking them into confidence. The highest Islamic sentiment asserts that it is better to forego that worldly business and that no relationship should be established with the kafirs.
The real purpose in levying jizya on them (the non-Muslims) is to humiliate them to such an extent that, on account of fear of jizya , they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It in intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honor and might of Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004940.php
at July 25, 2005 3:36 AM
The headlines in the Arab News newspaper yesterday called the bombings in Sharm El-Sheik an "atrocity". I find it noteworthy that neither Beslan nor the deliberate suicide bombing of US military surrounded by a large group of Iraqi children were so defined.
Somewhat off topic for this thread: I have heard second-hand - and therefore unconfirmed - reports of a gunfight in Riyadh between Saudi security forces and terrorists (probably Zionist or Methodist) occuring right now (1 PM local - GMT+3 hours).
jay
Posted by: jay at July 25, 2005 5:42 AM
The headlines in the Arab News newspaper yesterday called the bombings in Sharm El-Sheik an "atrocity". I find it noteworthy that neither Beslan nor the deliberate suicide bombing of US military surrounded by a large group of Iraqi children were so defined.
Somewhat off topic for this thread: I have heard second-hand - and therefore unconfirmed - reports of a gunfight in Riyadh between Saudi security forces and terrorists (probably Zionist or Methodist) occuring right now (1 PM local - GMT+3 hours).
jay
Posted by: jay at July 25, 2005 5:43 AM
« I am afraid that God has sent these men to lay waste the world ».
- Patriarch Cyrus of Alexandria, while negotiating the surrender of Alexandria to the Muslims, 640 AD.
at July 25, 2005 7:41 AM
Please note:
I have deleted two comments above by "Soccermom" in which he quotes a post that had apparently been deleted earlier by Rebecca. We will not tolerate foul language and racial slurs in whatever context, and especially see no point in posts that are apparently trying to criticize Jihad Watch for allowing a post that we did not allow.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at July 25, 2005 7:46 AM
re soccermom;
folks, we got snookered,
back to work, move along, nothing to see here
at July 25, 2005 10:29 AM
First off, I'd like to clarify a couple things. This handle is the only one I have ever used on this site. I DID NOT use racial slurs in an attempt to try and discredit this site or anyone on it. My goal in coming here and joining this dialogue is to argue that not all Moslems are bad people, or are deserving of the comments and attitudes directed at them by users of this site. I 100% condemn any attacks by extremist Moslems, Christians, Hindus, or anyone else against innocent victims. I also agree that actions need to be taken to prevent further terror from happening and from eleminating it from our world. I just feel that if we do not wage this war in a manner which allows us to keep the moral high ground, then we have no hope at success. Moslems make up a huge percentage of the world's population and we are just going to have to learn to work WITH them and not against them to create a peaceful world in which my kinds, and yours, can grow up and prosper in. I appreciate all the comments and discussion on this topic, as it is one of the most pressing issues in our world today.
Posted by: SoccerMom109 at July 25, 2005 3:38 PM
Tancredo for President.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 25, 2005 5:28 PM
Let muslims renounce jihad worldwide, by word and deed. Let muslims renounce the violent, hateful passages in the qu’ran publicly from a mosque in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. Let muslims pass laws of equality for women and enforce them. Let…
Then we, Unbelievers, can work with them.
at July 25, 2005 7:30 PM
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