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July 26, 2005

Van Gogh killer jailed for life

Will he be able in prison to indoctrinate and recruit for jihad? How many Muslims in Dutch mosques today are being taught the same principles that he acted upon to kill Van Gogh? From the Times Online, with thanks to all who sent this in:

A Dutch court sentenced the confessed killer of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh to life imprisonment today, the harshest sentence possible for a murder that the judge described as a terrorist attack.

Mohammed Bouyeri, 27, had mounted no defence at his two-day trial earlier this month for the killing last November.

Bouyeri had accused Van Gogh of insulting Islam and told the court he would do it again if given the chance....

Bouyeri, wearing a black and white checkered headscarf, showed no emotion as he shook his lawyer’s hand following the verdict. He had earlier told the court he had intended to die in the action and become a martyr for his faith....

In a surprise declaration during his trial, Bouyeri said that he had acted in the name of Islam and felt no pain for Van Gogh’s family. After reciting Islamic prayers, he told the courtroom that if given the chance he would "do exactly the same thing".

"What moved me to do what I did was purely my faith," Bouyeri told the court. "I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet."

Posted by Robert at July 26, 2005 6:38 AM
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I think the Dutch are fools. This man will live a
life as an honored teacher of radical islam the
rest of his life all at Dutch tax payer expense.
His glorious example will allow
many more copycat killings to take please.
If the Dutch government thanks this is a win
they are going to be in for a big surprise when
they lose there country. The dutch seem to have
no balls they might as well give the country over
to islam now since its obvious the the current
goverment is going down the crapper. Don't take
me wrong I think islam is a great evil. But at
least if the Dutch go first maybe the rest of
Europe will grow new balls but I would not count
on it.

Posted by: ecil_man [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 7:35 AM

one of my daily stops on my virtual rounds is that voice of reason, that beacon of light in the wilderness, that...hell, who am i kidding

i always check out al-jazeera, minding the old line, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" or, if you like, "the enemy you know is half as dangerous as the enemy you don't".

anyway, they reported on the sentencing so i wanted to see what their spin would be. conspicuous in it's absence was his mocking of Van Gogh's family and his declaration of having no pity for them. also the sanitized version of the murder, "shot and stabbed" replacing "shot, repeatedly stabbed while begging for his life, then having his head nearly sawed off". "a note was left at the site" replaced "a note was pinned to his body by a knife buried in his chest"

his declarations of wanting jihad remain, of course, as do his statements that he would do it again if the opportunity arose, being the good muslim that he is.
and while they did mention that "the COURT PAINTED...(him)as someone with radical beliefs...obsession with violence and totalitarian views" they apparently didn't feel it was neccessary to cloud the issue with actual evidence of his cruel and inhuman personality. no point in writing something that might lead people to get the wrong idea about the ROP.

almost like reading The New Duranty Crimes

Posted by: t-ham [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 7:57 AM

Bouyeri...tells the truth...no one can accuse him of lying. Muslims always tell the truth about completed or intended violence, but lie about nearly everything else, especially religion. Is he an extreemist, or is he a regular/good muslim?...He's the best possible muslim...he has done everything to get into Allahs paradise except die in action...killing infidels...He is a jihadist to the very end. He could have just kept his murderous, demon encrusted thoughts to himself, but he wants to impress the public with his Allahalic addiction and use that to justify murder. He may try and push that issue in prison. He may attack guards, or even worse, he will probably seek converts from his inmate contacts, and hold 'sunday go to meeting', prayer services five times a day. And the authorities will probably let him do it. He may even demand a room for a mosque, and get it.
Or they may send him to 'Club Gitmo', where he can polish up his golf and ping-pong skills...
And she whispered into his ear...'Wake up Sampson','dhimmitude is upon you'. To which Sampson replied,'Oh thats nothing, a small problem really'. 'I will deal with that after you trim my hair'...'it's getting a little long in the back'...

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 7:58 AM

he knows he's not doing life, he may only be in for 15 or 20, depending how soon Holland rolls onto it's back and morphs into "The Islamic Republic of The Netherlands". On that day he will be released from his bonds while the trumpets blow and he will be delivered into his loving ummah's arms like Mandela's triumphant return.

side note; will the soccer team "Ajax" have to change its name to "Allahs Axe"?

Posted by: t-ham [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 8:02 AM

Am I alone and am I unworthy in thinking that this creature should be smeared in pig fat, made to eat pork and drink whisky for the rest of his rotten worthless life and kept on strict suicide watch to ensure he misses nothing of the experience?

Posted by: david [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 8:08 AM

In a surprise declaration...

Hmmm.

Posted by: Effractor [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 8:17 AM

Something else the judge said, he said "the court wishes to stress that B. follows a very extreme but also very exceptional interpretation of the Quran."

Now, why would a judge say this? How does he know that the majority of the Muslims out there follow a very different interpretation of the Quran and Islamic law?

Posted by: Leveller [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 8:43 AM

Mohd Boyuri is a prime example of testesterone gone amok.

Since the Dutch are too civilized (unlike us crude Americans) to impose the deathy penalty, how about starting with ..... castration?

Neuter the Bas-turd!

That will also take care of his supposed *charishma* and prison preaching possibilites.... Short of burying these toads in pigskin, this is as good a deterrence as any, methinx...

Posted by: voletti [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 9:05 AM

This murderer will be right where all Jihadists want to be. In all male company fighting a war. He will fight his war in prison. He will have very high status with the Muslim prisoners who are pervasive in the prisons of Europe. He will become a prison Imam and preacher that the prison ummah will venerate.

I read that in some European nations the Muhammedans outnumber the other prisoners

Posted by: dennisw [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 9:44 AM

"the judge said...'the court wishes to stress that B. follows a very extreme but also very exceptional interpretation of the Quran.'"
--- from a posting above

On what textual authority did the Dutch judge conclude that Bouyeri was following a "very extreme" and for good measure "very exceptional interpretation of the Qur'an"? Has he actually read the Qur'an, and the Sunnah (Hadith and Sira) which provide a fuller guide to the real meaning of the Qur'an? Has he been instructed in what a phrase like "follow in the path of God" means? Does he know of the doctrine of "naskh" or abrogation, which limits the usefulness of the earlier so-called Meccan suras, and promotes the harsher so-called Medinan suras?

Does that judge know of the assassination of various figures, either at the instiguation of, or with the clear approval of, Muhammad -- figures who, like Theo van Gogh, may have been guilty of nothing more than mockery or mickey-mockery? On whom was that Dutch judge relying for his information about Islam? On Jansen, or on Peters? On imams assuring him that they were "shocked, shocked" by Bouyeri? Who, exactly?

His remark was baseless and idiotic -- and, of course, completely untrue.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 10:04 AM

"Mohd Boyuri is a prime example of testesterone gone amok.

Since the Dutch are too civilized (unlike us crude Americans) to impose the deathy penalty, how about starting with ..... castration?

Neuter the Bas-turd!

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! The weak response from the West is due to the feminizing of our men! "Be nice, don't judge, don't act like you have balls."

The West has been neutered not civilized

These bastards don't have an over abundance of testosterone -- they are for the most part cowards.

They would never put on a military uniform and fight a war where they might get hurt. In every war Muslims ever fought with Israel or the US (until Iraq), they surrendered or left their shoes in the sand! Real men don't behave this way in war, honey.

Feminism is a curse and has doomed the West to meek, servile appeasement in the name of "CIVILIZATION!!"

Posted by: Kemaste [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 11:33 AM

t-ham noted that al-Jazeera reported "also the sanitized version of the murder, "shot and stabbed" replacing "shot, repeatedly stabbed while begging for his life, then having his head nearly sawed off". "a note was left at the site" replaced "a note was pinned to his body by a knife buried in his chest" "...

The #1 American TV news show, 60 Minutes, also used this sanitized description.

Posted by: metaxy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 3:11 PM

Hugh asks about the judge -- "On whom was that Dutch judge relying for his information about Islam? On Jansen, or on Peters? On imams assuring him that they were "shocked, shocked" by Bouyeri? Who, exactly?"

Hugh, when will you realize? This judge was simply breathing in the PC oxygen of our PC-dominated sociopolitical atmosphere.

All a person like that judge or the countless millions of others whether "elitists" and "leaders" in high places or just common men-in-the-street has to do is simply BREATHE in order to have such idiotic and baseless and untrue sentiments.

Posted by: metaxy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 3:14 PM

Hugh, whenever you run across these dhimmis, you think they must have been doing calculated, selective, specialized reading in the wrong sources in order to arrive at their incorrect conclusions about Islam.

No: all they have to do is BREATHE. It is we small beleaguered minority who have to do the hard work of ferreting out specialized information amid the ocean and forest and atmosphere of PC drivel.

Posted by: metaxy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 3:17 PM

We've really gotta top these guys!

Posted by: otterfisher [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 4:45 PM

Otterfisher:We've really gotta top these guys!

Do you mean "top", like killem off? Or you mean "top" them, like outsmart, out do, out fight, and stay on "top"? Or do you mean "top" them like, "top Bananna", where infidels are in charge and muslims are the dhimmi's. All of the above?...just asking...That one statement is a compressed idea...open it up and all kinds of stuff can come popping out...cool...have a good day...

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 5:47 PM

Yes, Swami..in the sense Granny Weatherwax (i think) spoke of a while back regarding an article that began:
"Top Muslims in London..etc..."

luvit

p.s. i,m casting my vote for the ticket of Robert and Hugh
for Council of Dictators Pro Tem..(provided they
agree before hand to quit when the crisis is over,i.e.)

..hey..desperate times call for desperate measures.

g'day to ya too, Swami..

Posted by: otterfisher [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 6:10 PM

disclaimer: only the ones who are not 'moderate',
of course..

Posted by: otterfisher [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 6:14 PM

..and only AFTER they commit heinous acts and are
tried in a court of law..(of course).

Posted by: otterfisher [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 26, 2005 6:18 PM

I say 'life in prison' is fine, with one condition:

NO food.

Not until Theo Van Gogh is able to eat again.

(Or maybe just chunky peanut butter emulsified with porkfat, -and NO Water.)

I don't think there is any law that says we have to feed our murderous sworn enemies, is there?

In fact, common sense self-preservation dictate otherwise.

Why waste tax dollars on a neo-Nazi? Let's be Frank. (Anne Frank.) Don't the Dutch remember what the first wave of imperialistic fascists did to their people?

Coddling the invaders is lunacy.

If this is war, then Bouyeri should have been sentenced and shot as a murdering terrorist saboteur.

And use the money saved for training spies to infiltrate mosques (lots of Dutch citizens have lived in Muslim lands and can speak Arabic).

But, until the WMD alarm clock goes off, the pussyfooting goes on.

Posted by: BigSleep [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2005 1:14 AM

They ough to feed Bouyeri a bacon fat diet.

Too bad, Netherlands. You now have to support a scumbag for the three years he'll serve before being released.

Posted by: Kepha [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 27, 2005 4:05 PM

A sad side story: the son of Theo Van Gogh has been beaten up twice since the killing of his father. Guess by whom? Marrocans. In addition, they had to place him in another classroom, since he was being harrassed all the time ('it was the right thing they did to your father...'). Of course, the police did not come after his grandparents alerted them...they must have had more important things to do...

There are a lot of signals which show that the Dutch have very little loyalty to their own people, or are simply afraid. I only write down the ones relating to van Gogh's killing.

-On the day Van Gogh was killed, the police removed a grafitti close to the place where he was killed. It was supposed to be too offense for Muslims. What did it say? 'Though shall not kill...'

-After the killing, churches and mosques were burned down or damaged. The mosques got immediate police protection. The churches did not. The incidents at the mosques were thoroughly investigated. Nobody heard anything anymore of the incidents at the churches...

-One of the Dutch who was planning to burn down a mosque, was arrested before he did so. He's serving a year in prison. Mr. Samir A. who was planning to burn down a nucleair reactor in The Netherlands was set free. The evidence in both case was legally of the same level.

-Right after the killing, the Queen of the Netherlands visited the morrocan community of Amsterdam. Maybe it's time to visit van Gogh's son as well?

Posted by: jellie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2005 4:02 AM

A sad side story: the son of Theo Van Gogh has been beaten up twice since the killing of his father. Guess by whom? Marrocans. In addition, they had to place him in another classroom, since he was being harrassed all the time ('it was the right thing they did to your father...'). Of course, the police did not come after his grandparents alerted them...they must have had more important things to do...

There are a lot of signals which show that the Dutch have very little loyalty to their own people, or are simply afraid. I only write down the ones relating to van Gogh's killing.

-On the day Van Gogh was killed, the police removed a grafitti close to the place where he was killed. It was supposed to be too offense for Muslims. What did it say? 'Though shall not kill...'

-After the killing, churches and mosques were burned down or damaged. The mosques got immediate police protection. The churches did not. The incidents at the mosques were thoroughly investigated. Nobody heard anything anymore of the incidents at the churches...

-One of the Dutch who was planning to burn down a mosque, was arrested before he did so. He's serving a year in prison. Mr. Samir A. who was planning to burn down a nucleair reactor in The Netherlands was set free. The evidence in both case was legally of the same level.

-Right after the killing, the Queen of the Netherlands visited the morrocan community of Amsterdam. Maybe it's time to visit van Gogh's son as well?

Posted by: jellie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2005 4:02 AM

A sad side story: the son of Theo Van Gogh has been beaten up twice since the killing of his father. Guess by whom? Marrocans. In addition, they had to place him in another classroom, since he was being harrassed all the time ('it was the right thing they did to your father...'). Of course, the police did not come after his grandparents alerted them...they must have had more important things to do...

There are a lot of signals which show that the Dutch have very little loyalty to their own people, or are simply afraid. I only write down the ones relating to van Gogh's killing.

-On the day Van Gogh was killed, the police removed a grafitti close to the place where he was killed. It was supposed to be too offense for Muslims. What did it say? 'Though shall not kill...'

-After the killing, churches and mosques were burned down or damaged. The mosques got immediate police protection. The churches did not. The incidents at the mosques were thoroughly investigated. Nobody heard anything anymore of the incidents at the churches...

-One of the Dutch who was planning to burn down a mosque, was arrested before he did so. He's serving a year in prison. Mr. Samir A. who was planning to burn down a nucleair reactor in The Netherlands was set free. The evidence in both case was legally of the same level.

-Right after the killing, the Queen of the Netherlands visited the morrocan community of Amsterdam. Maybe it's time to visit van Gogh's son as well?

Posted by: jellie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2005 4:04 AM

A sad side story: the son of Theo Van Gogh has been beaten up twice since the killing of his father. Guess by whom? Marrocans. In addition, they had to place him in another classroom, since he was being harrassed all the time ('it was the right thing they did to your father...'). Of course, the police did not come after his grandparents alerted them...they must have had more important things to do...

There are a lot of signals which show that the Dutch have very little loyalty to their own people, or are simply afraid. I only write down the ones relating to van Gogh's killing.

-On the day Van Gogh was killed, the police removed a grafitti close to the place where he was killed. It was supposed to be too offense for Muslims. What did it say? 'Though shall not kill...'

-After the killing, churches and mosques were burned down or damaged. The mosques got immediate police protection. The churches did not. The incidents at the mosques were thoroughly investigated. Nobody heard anything anymore of the incidents at the churches...

-One of the Dutch who was planning to burn down a mosque, was arrested before he did so. He's serving a year in prison. Mr. Samir A. who was planning to burn down a nucleair reactor in The Netherlands was set free. The evidence in both case was legally of the same level.

-Right after the killing, the Queen of the Netherlands visited the morrocan community of Amsterdam. Maybe it's time to visit van Gogh's son as well?

Posted by: jellie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2005 4:04 AM

A sad side story: the son of Theo Van Gogh has been beaten up twice since the killing of his father. Guess by whom? Marrocans. In addition, they had to place him in another classroom, since he was being harrassed all the time ('it was the right thing they did to your father...'). Of course, the police did not come after his grandparents alerted them...they must have had more important things to do...

There are a lot of signals which show that the Dutch have very little loyalty to their own people, or are simply afraid. I only write down the ones relating to van Gogh's killing.

-On the day Van Gogh was killed, the police removed a grafitti close to the place where he was killed. It was supposed to be too offense for Muslims. What did it say? 'Though shall not kill...'

-After the killing, churches and mosques were burned down or damaged. The mosques got immediate police protection. The churches did not. The incidents at the mosques were thoroughly investigated. Nobody heard anything anymore of the incidents at the churches...

-One of the Dutch who was planning to burn down a mosque, was arrested before he did so. He's serving a year in prison. Mr. Samir A. who was planning to burn down a nucleair reactor in The Netherlands was set free. The evidence in both case was legally of the same level.

-Right after the killing, the Queen of the Netherlands visited the morrocan community of Amsterdam. Maybe it's time to visit van Gogh's son as well?

Posted by: jellie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2005 4:04 AM

A sad side story: the son of Theo Van Gogh has been beaten up twice since the killing of his father. Guess by whom? Marrocans. In addition, they had to place him in another classroom, since he was being harrassed all the time ('it was the right thing they did to your father...'). Of course, the police did not come after his grandparents alerted them...they must have had more important things to do...

There are a lot of signals which show that the Dutch have very little loyalty to their own people, or are simply afraid. I only write down the ones relating to van Gogh's killing.

-On the day Van Gogh was killed, the police removed a grafitti close to the place where he was killed. It was supposed to be too offense for Muslims. What did it say? 'Though shall not kill...'

-After the killing, churches and mosques were burned down or damaged. The mosques got immediate police protection. The churches did not. The incidents at the mosques were thoroughly investigated. Nobody heard anything anymore of the incidents at the churches...

-One of the Dutch who was planning to burn down a mosque, was arrested before he did so. He's serving a year in prison. Mr. Samir A. who was planning to burn down a nucleair reactor in The Netherlands was set free. The evidence in both case was legally of the same level.

-Right after the killing, the Queen of the Netherlands visited the morrocan community of Amsterdam. Maybe it's time to visit van Gogh's son as well?

Posted by: jellie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 28, 2005 4:04 AM

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