Congratulations George! You set up an Islamic Theocracy in Afghanistan and Iraq!

Posted by: Founding Forefather at August 25, 2005 4:08 PM

If you have any doubts about islam's intention to rule the whole earth, listen to Iran's "president".
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=782

Posted by: Carolyn2 at August 25, 2005 4:50 PM

Founding Forefather,
GWB gave them the oportunity for democracy but the will of the people chose demo-theo-shia-sunni-shit-ocracy instead. Very unfair of you to blame W.

Posted by: William The Crusader at August 25, 2005 5:18 PM

I thought Islam was peaceful, it was just the small Wahabi sect that was causing all this trouble, if in fact there is any trouble.

The Wahabists are ardent Sunni's, and do not even consider the Shi'ites to be "real" Muslims.

But here is the most powerful Shi'ite in the world, the President of Iran, citing the same goals (ie. a global Caliphate with the world living under sharia law) as the Sunni Wahabists.

Could the problem possibly be larger than just a single small sect in Saudi Arabia? Could the problem lie not in the mistranslation by a few warped and twisted individuals, but in the actual words of the Qur'an, the verbatim word of Allah that millions of Muslims follow worldwide?

I wonder if Mr. Ahmadinejad can provide any Qur'anic quotes to justify his goals for worldwide Islamic domination over the non-Muslims? I think he probably could.

Posted by: special_guest at August 25, 2005 5:35 PM

William the Crusader, I don't want to get on Robert's bad side by focusing on Bush,

BUT

I think we have the right to hold GWB responsible for the decisions he made when he focused our attention on Iraq and away from the true centers of jihadism: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, and Syria. We have the right to criticize his characterization of Islam (with no supporting evidence) as the religion of peace. We have the responsibility to point out that societies built on Islamic values are not "just like us", and they do not have the same goals as us. I expect him to realize that you cannot take concepts such as democracy, that come out of Judeao-Christian values of equality of all men before their G*d, and simply graft that onto another culture where it has never existed.

We really need to drop the jingoist support of particular U.S. political parties, Republicans or Democrats, and realize it is all Americans who need to understand and focus on the words of the Qur'an and the jihadists. As far as I can tell, both parties are blind to the problem.

Posted by: special_guest at August 25, 2005 5:51 PM

Posted by: special_guest at August 25, 2005 05:51 PM

WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS ??

http://ap.washingtontimes.com/dynamic/stories/U/UN_WEAPONS_INSPECTORS?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME
Jun 3, 8:37 AM EDT
U.N.: Weapons Equipment Missing in Iraq
By EDITH M. LEDERER
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- U.N. satellite imagery experts have determined that material that could be used to make biological or chemical weapons and banned long-range missiles has been removed from 109 sites in Iraq, U.N. weapons inspectors said in a report obtained Thursday.

OH MY IT WASN'T JUST BUSH??

Special to World Tribune.com
GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT.COM
Monday, October 18, 2004
Charles Duelfer told the Senate Armed Services Committee earlier this month he could not rule out Saddam's transfer of Iraqi missiles and weapons of mass destruction to Syria.

OH MY??
HOW SOON WE FORGETT??

Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Weapons Inspector: Saddam Had WMD Programs Waiting to Go
NewsMax Wires
Friday, Sept. 17, 2004
WASHINGTON -- Fallen Iraqi President Saddam Hussein did not have stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, but left signs that he had idle programs he someday hoped to revive, the top U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq concludes in a draft report due out soon.

According to people familiar with the 1,500-page report, the head of the Iraq Survey Group, Charles Duelfer, will find that Saddam was importing banned materials, working on unmanned aerial vehicles in violation of U.N. agreements and maintaining a dual-use industrial sector that could produce weapons. Duelfer also says Iraq only had small research and development programs for chemical and biological weapons.
As Duelfer puts the finishing touches on his report, he concludes Saddam had intentions of restarting weapons programs at some point, after suspicion and inspections from the international community waned.

GUESS YOU NEVER READ THE REPORT JUST THE SPIN??

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/21/231135.shtml
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:08 p.m. EDT
Powell: Bush Right to Assume Iraq Had WMDs
Secretary of State Colin Powell said Wednesday that President Bush was correct to believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. attacked in March 2003.

"The intelligence picture that was presented to the Congress, presented to me, presented to the president by the intelligence community led the president to the conclusion - the correct conclusion - that you had to assume that these weapons were there," Powell told national radio host Sean Hannity. "And the president acted on that knowledge," he added.

OH MY HOW SOON WE FORGET??

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/20/213533.shtml
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Warner: New Report Backs Iraq WMD Claims
NewsMax Wires
Wednesday, July 21, 2004
WASHINGTON - An upcoming report will contain "a good deal of new information" backing up the Bush administration's contention that Saddam Hussein pursued weapons of mass destruction, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va., said Tuesday.

The administration cited Saddam's hunger for such weapons as a main reason to invade Iraq last year. "I'm not suggesting dramatic discoveries," Warner told reporters, but "bits and pieces that Saddam Hussein was clearly defying" international restrictions, "and he and his government had a continuing interest in maintaining the potential to shift to production of various types of weapons of mass destruction in a short period of time."

NOW WHAT COULD HE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT??

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2004/07/002595print.html
July 21, 2004
Nuclear arms reportedly found in Iraq
Relax, Mr. Kerry: nukes, but no WMD's. And seriously, why isn't this on the front page of the New York Times and the Washington Post? From UPI, with thanks to "Allah":
Baghdad, Iraq, Jul. 21 (UPI) -- Iraqi security reportedly discovered three missiles carrying nuclear heads concealed in a concrete trench northwest of Baghdad, official sources said Wednesday.

OR MAYBE IT WAS??

Polish Army in Iraq 'Mortified' That 'Terrorists Were Looking for These Warheads'
NewsMax.com Wires
Friday, July 2, 2004
WARSAW, Poland – Terrorists may have been close to obtaining munitions containing the deadly nerve agent cyclosarin that Polish soldiers recovered last month in Iraq, the head of Poland's military intelligence said Friday.

Polish troops had been searching for munitions as part of their regular mission in south-central Iraq when they were told by an informant in May that terrorists had made a bid to buy the chemical weapons, which date back to Saddam Hussein's war with Iran in the 1980s, Gen. Marek Dukaczewski told reporters in Warsaw. "We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for these warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack with such weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was accelerated at appropriating these warheads."

OH MY??

BUT THEN YOU SAY YOUR SAFE IN YOUR BED SO FAR AWAY WELL THING ABOUT ALL THE DRUGS AND ILLEGALS I HAVE??

OR MAYBE WANER WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS??

U.S. Transferred Nearly 2 Tons of Uranium From Iraq
NewsMax.com Wires
Thursday, July 8, 2004
UNITED NATIONS – The United States didn't have authorization from the U.N. nuclear watchdog when it secretly shipped from Iraq uranium and highly radioactive material that could be used in so-called "dirty bombs," U.N. officials said Wednesday.
The nearly 2 tons of low-enriched uranium and approximately 1,000 highly radioactive items transferred from Iraq to the Untied States last month had been placed under seal by the International Atomic Energy Agency at the sprawling Tuwaitha nuclear complex, 12 miles south of Baghdad, the officials said. "The American authorities just informed us of their intention to remove the materials, but they never sought authorization from us," said Gustavo Zlauvinen, head of the IAEA's New York office.
U.S. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham disclosed the secret airlift from Iraq on Tuesday as "a major achievement" in an attempt to "keep potentially dangerous nuclear material out of the hands of terrorists." The material was taken to an undisclosed U.S. Energy Department laboratory for further analysis.

NOW THAT IS NEWS DID YOU FORGET ABOUT THAT??

1 July 2004 - SISMI Reports 200 'Explosive Briefcases' in Hands of Terrorists in Iraq
Reprinted by permission from Il Giornale
Two hundred briefcases filled with explosive. All put together in exactly the same way, by expert hands. Sophisticated in their contrivance, in their concealment of the sticks of TNT inside the double bottom of the briefcases, even as to their potential "alternative" use, depending upon the situation and the unexpected to be dealt with (detonation by remote control or by a self-timer). These briefcases--which are discussed in a very recent SISMI [Intelligence and Military Security Service] report--are said to be available to the guerrillas. Their trademark, however, is hard to interpret. According to the news network sowed between Baghdad and Al-Nasiriyah, the "death-dealing briefcases" may have been assembled in Lebanon, or possibly in Iran (via which they seem to have transited before crossing the border into Iraq). In the minds of the consignors, however, their "24-hour capability" of sowing death and destruction in places unreachable by a car-bomb or by an RPG [rocket-propelled grenade] could prove to be the extra weapon in the political-and-military offensive that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the 37-year-old Jordanian who once fought against the Russians in Afghanistan and is today Usama Bin Ladin's lieutenant in Iraq intends to fight against the coalition forces, the local police stations, and the men of the government whom he sees as the front liners, Iraqi Defense Minister Hazem Shaalan and Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, over whose head there hangs a mortal "fatwa" issued by Al-Qa'ida.

OH MY NOW THAT IS NEWS FROM ITALY??

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4267133,00.html?=ticker
Polish Troops Find Sarin Warheads in Iraq

Thursday July 1, 2004 10:01 PM
WARSAW, Poland (AP) - Polish troops have found two warheads in Iraq believed to contain a deadly nerve agent, but it is not clear what period the weapons came from, the Defense Ministry said Thursday.
The two warheads were found in early June in a bunker in the area controlled by Polish forces, and they tested positive for cyclosarin, a substance many times stronger than sarin, the ministry said in a statement.

NOW WHERE DO YOU THINK THESE THINGS CAME FROM??

Iraqi Nerve Gas, WMD Find Blows Away Pundits
Charles R. Smith
Monday, May 17, 2004
The discovery of an Iraqi artillery shell armed with nerve gas has the liberal community and mass media in a panic.
The 155mm nerve gas shell was rigged to kill U.S. troops but it failed. U.S. Brig. General Mark Kimmitt confirmed the discovery during a news conference in Baghdad.
Yet, the discovery of nerve gas was followed by a second revelation. A second shell, equipped with mustard gas was found two weeks ago.
The mustard gas shell identified by the special WMD inspection team in Iraq appears to be one of 550 declared by Saddam to U.N. inspectors during the early 1990s. These shells disappeared later in 2002 when Hans Blix asked to see them.
The sudden discovery of nerve gas and mustard gas in Iraq can be added to two other recent events ignored by the mainstream media.
Saddam and Osama
The first took place during the 9/11 hearings when former Clinton Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that in 1998 Saddam's top nerve gas experts met with several members of al Qaeda in Baghdad. Clearly, such a meeting places the top terrorist with the leading Middle East dictator in the same basket. The dangerous combination of two madmen, mixed with weapons of mass destruction, seems to blow the "no threat here" argument out of the water.
However, that is not enough for the left.
The second event, a foiled gas attack in Jordan, piles more facts higher and deeper. The attack, led by Al Qaeda operatives, reportedly could have killed 20,000 people. The Jordanians were very clear about the foiled attack, the weapon involved was deadly gas and the terrorists, based in Iraq, entered by the Syrian border.
Jordanian diplomats have informed me that the investigation into the foiled gas attack is still under way and that at least two other members of the terrorist team are still on the run. Still, this is not enough proof for the anti-war fanatics.
Kill U.N. Teams
It is very clear from what we have found so far that Iraq did have chemical weapons and was trying to hide its arsenal. The discrepancies between documentation, box markings and actual items found clearly show that an intentional effort was made by Iraqi troops to mislead U.N. inspection teams. In some cases false shipping documents written in English were discovered with the weapons.

OH MY?? HE PUT IT TOGETHER!!

I AM SICK OF PEOPLE LIKE THAT GUY JACK WHO HAS TOLD SO MANY LIES HE NO LONGERS KNOWS THE TRUTH!!

300,000 IN MAS GRAVES ISN'T NOTHING TO PEOPLE LIKE THESE LIBS THEY THINK MASS KILLINGS ARE JUST FINE??

WHAT ABOUT THE SUDAN AND 170,000 DEAD BY ARAB MULSUM THE LIBS DON'T CARE??

UN experts find evidence of WMD
By Edith M Lederer
10jun04

UN weapons experts have found 20 engines used in Iraq's banned Al Samoud 2 missiles in a Jordanian scrap yard, along with other equipment that could be used to produce weapons of mass destruction.

Acting chief UN inspector Demetrius Perricos disclosed the discovery today in a closed-door briefing to the UN Security Council.
According to the text of his presentation, Perricos said a similar missile engine had been found in a scrap yard in the Dutch port of Rotterdam, while a request had been made to Turkey, which has also received scrap metal from Iraq. The discoveries raise questions about the fate of material and equipment that could be used to produce biological and chemical weapons as well as banned long-range missiles.
Perricos said UN inspectors do not how much material has been removed from Iraq since the war began in March 2003, and suggested the interim government may want to reconsider "the whole policy for the continued export of metal scrap" once it assumes power on June 30.
"The only controls at the borders are for the weight of the scrap metal, and to check whether there are any explosive or radioactive materials within the scrap," he said, according to the text of his briefing.
Afterwards, he told reporters that up to a thousand tons of scrap metal was leaving Iraq every day.
Perricos told the council that UN experts visited "relevant scrap yards" in Jordan and discovered 20 SA-2 missile engines, which are used in Al Samoud 2 missiles. His report did not specify the condition of the engines, or whether they were damaged.
The UN team also discovered some processing equipment with UN tags - which show it was being monitored - including chemical reactors, heat exchangers, and a solid propellant mixer bowl to make missile fuel, he said. It also discovered "a large number of other processing equipment without tags, in very good condition." The UN inspectors in Jordan were told that "brand new material like stainless steel and special alloy sheets" was being sent out of Iraq, he said. At today's closed council meeting, UN diplomats said many members expressed concern about items missile engines and other material that had been monitored by UN inspectors ending up in foreign scrap yards including Algeria, Brazil, Germany, France, Chile, Spain, Russia and China.

NOW THAT IS THE UN=LON=AL TALKING NOT BUSH??

Tests Confirm Sarin Gas in Baghdad Bomb
NewsMax.com Wires
Tuesday, May 25, 2004
WASHINGTON – Comprehensive testing has confirmed the presence of the chemical weapon sarin in the remains of a roadside bomb discovered this month in Baghdad, a defense official said Tuesday.
The determination, made by a laboratory in the United States that the official would not identify, verifies what earlier, less-thorough field tests had found: The bomb was made from an artillery shell designed to disperse the deadly nerve agent on the battlefield.
The origin of the shell remains unclear, and finding that out is a priority for the U.S. military, the defense official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

OH MY THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3872201.stm
US reveals Iraq nuclear operation
The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month.
"This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham in a statement.
He said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists".
Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly radioactive sources" were also removed.
The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23 June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy Department's secret laboratories.
It was flown out of the country aboard a military plane in a joint operation with the Department of Defense, and is being stored temporarily at a Department of Energy facility.
The United Nations nuclear watchdog - the International Atomic Energy Agency - and Iraqi officials were informed ahead of the operation, which happened ahead of the 28 June handover of sovereignty.

NOW THAT PAPER IS NOT WHAT I'D SAY FRIENDS OF BUSH??

NO WE HAD REASON TO GO IN IF NOTHING ELES BECAUSE HE WAS SHOOTING AT OUR PLANS IN THE NO FLY ZONE???

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND TOGETHER AGAINST THIS EVIL AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at August 25, 2005 6:26 PM

ATTENTION 'FOUNDING FOREFATHER'--

I am not going to ask you of what it is that you are a 'founding forefather'. It certainly couldn't be of America--you ain't that smart.

But Afghanistan before 9-11 WAS indeed ALREADY an Islamic theocracy under the Taliban rulers. You may have noticed that Afghanistan is sandwiched between Iran to the west and Pakistan to the east--two of the most fanatical lands anywhere --do you suppose these two deserve some of the credit you have awarded Bush???. Both Iran and Pakistan have operated insurrections into Afghanistan and have been active in undermining efforts to democratize this nation--and turn it into an Islamic theocracy. The ISI which installed Taliban in the first place operates covertly and set its sights set on Afghanistan long ago. So Afghanistan's descent into Islamic theocracy may have been unavoidable--particularly given the nature of Islam and the politics of the Islamic world. "George" probably couldn't have stopped it despite your snide remarks to the contrary.

As for Iraq, there is a large percentage of Shiites here and again this country's proximity to Iran played a major role in its present situation. Sooner or later, buddy, Iran would have flexed its muscles in the region and attempted to desecularize and destabilize Iraq. Look at Iran's new president-elect and his current rhetoric. It is an open question whether or not this would be worse than Saddam Hussein's murderous thugocracy. And again it would have happened anyway.

By the way, is the descent of islamic nations such as Indonesia and Malaysia into fanatical theocracydom the fault of 'George' too?

I'm sure you're going to blame him anyway. But it appears that you're not the type of guy who lets reality influence his opinions, huh?

Pythagoras

Posted by: pythagoras at August 25, 2005 8:38 PM

"Can Mr. Ahmadinejad overcome the global split between Sunni and Shi’a Muslims and form a pan-Islamic bloc against Western interests?"
-- from the article above

No. The hatred of the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia for the Shi'a, and the fear of the Al-Saud for the Islamic Republic of iran, would forever prevent such a bloc to be formed. Too many Sunnis, Wahhabi and non-Wahhabi, despise the Shi'a. And they are certainly not going to be tempted by an obvious primitive, who will soon have trouble holding on to his hate, and his hat, and even his head, in the years to come.

The real question to ask is: "Can Mr. Ahmadinejad prevent the dissolution of Iran, whether or not Iraq reverts to the three original Ottoman vilayets out of which it was composed, if the government of Iran can continue to hold together the state of Iran, where barely 50% of the population is Persian, where the Arabic-speaking population in Khuzistan might be tempted to join Arabic-speaking Shi'a in what was once southern Iraq, Azeris in the north to join Azerbaijan in order to free themselves from the hideous Islamic Republic, and where Kurds in northwestern Iran might well favor doing the same, only in their case by joining an independent or at least autonomous Kurdistan.

The relevant question to ask in Iran is: how many of the most advanced Iranians are now prepared, or will be prepared, to finally jettison Islam altogether, perhaps for a similacrum of Zoroastrianism, which at least provides a label, and hence a shallow identity, connected to the pre-Islamic Iranian past? For nothing has so damaged Islam in Iran as the quarter-century of the hideous in all respects Islamic Republic of Iran.

Posted by: Hugh at August 25, 2005 10:14 PM

The challenges Hugh cites above are not the only ones Ahmadinejad faces. Iran's economy is a mess. There's a huge population of unemployed and under-employed youth. Drug abuse is rampant, nay encouraged by the mullahs to keep the masses under their abusive thumbs.

Launch an oil embargo and further cripple his own economy? Maybe he's crazy enough to do this, but at his own expense.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at August 26, 2005 8:22 AM

I suggest we do everything we can to ensure that an accurate and complete translation of Mr. Ahmadinejad's"program" document receives the widest possible distribution in the USA and Europe.

Pilgrim

Posted by: Pilgrim at August 26, 2005 2:15 PM