The foreign aid that is jizyah, that the Infidel governments of the Western world pay, and pay, and pay, to various Muslims, but without in the least modifying their attitudes toward those same Infidels, should be transferred to help those countries that are subject to the Jihad. There is the Lesser Jihad against Israel, and now the Greater Jihad Against the West, and All the Rest. Thailand is a victim. Take the money, deduct the money if you cannot bring yourselves to stop it completely, from the sums now lavished upon the "Palestinians" (the shock troops of the Lesser Jihad) and on Egypt, and on Iraq for that corrupt "reconstruction" where a few Iraqis are making out like gangbusters on the backs of American taxpayers (my, the number of Mercedes and BMW cars has grown in Iraq -- hasn't it? Where does all that money come from? And what about the amounts that have already been transferred abroad by those "patriotic" Iraqis working in Allawi's government -- anything going to be done to recovger that money for long-sufferinig taxpayers? Any Senator or Congressman going to call for investigating, and tracking down those who made off with so much of our money, enjoying it wherever they are now -- Lac Leman, the Riviera, possibly even London?

Take the money from the Jizyah-account, and transfer it to the anti-Jihad account -- from the murderous, self-primitivized "Palestinians" and the meretricious and malevolent Egyptians, and give it to Thailand, to buy military equipment and whatever else it may need to crush this threat to the country, its people, their history, their civilization.

And stop worrying constantly about what Muslims will think, what they will do. They are already doing everything they can to push the Jihad, openly or covertly, by participating, or quietly supporting, or making excuses, or justifying, or denying. There is nothing else they can do. They sell oil for as high a price as they can without endangering the value of reserves in the ground. They are totally dependent on the Western world for medical care (or at least the rulers are, and that's what counts), access to advanced educdation, the newest technology, food supplies, military equipment, everything.

Western governments should act on this knowledge -- or, to rephrase it, should first acquire this knowledge, and then act upon it.

Posted by: Hugh at September 20, 2005 12:06 PM

Meanwhile, all's well in Afghanistan:

http://www.yahoo.com/_ylh=X3oDMTEwdnZjMjFhBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaW5kZXgtY3Nz/s/254914

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 20, 2005 12:42 PM

Stopping all the free aid that the infidels give, including technology transfer, is the only effortless contribution that the West could make to combat Jihad at its source. Combining this approach with the elimination of immigration from Muslim countries and even countries with significant Muslim minorities like India, Nigeria, and Israel would halt the build up of imported Jihadies in the West. The three mentioned infidel countries have some of the most fanatical Jihadies as their respective citizens, and since religion is not an official determining factor, all their citizens must be excluded, also to cut the escape avenues for infidels in countries where the tide could be turned on the Jihad, and force them to fight for their survival.

Posted by: have_mercy at September 20, 2005 1:27 PM

Somebody needs to fill in the CONDE NAST resortier crowd of this unpleasant political and economic development in southern Thailand.

Pick up a travel mag these days they're likely to be hyping the resurrection (from the tsunami in December 2004) of Southern Thailand's 'paradise' islands such as Phuket and Samui with their glitzy mega-resorts and overhyped superbeach luxury travel facilities.

Southern Thailand has long been a "hot" tourism destination. Whoda thunk you could get beheaded on a beach holiday over there? And whoda thunk beheading was happening over there either???

Conde Nast and its ilk have yet to report THAT, insofar as we know...

The mega-travel industry is going to be in denial over this for a long time.

Travelers clearly would be advised to avoid southern Thailand-- even Phuket and Samui.

Yet, I don't remember seeing any travelers' advisories cautioning travelers to avoid southern Thailand. Uh oh.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 20, 2005 2:35 PM

Pythagoras:

Check the following map of Thailand. The jihad is located in the southernmost provinces abutting Malaysia which are all south of Phuket. Phuket is closer to Burma (Myanmar) than it is to Malaysia.

http://www.maps-thailand.com/

Posted by: johnb at September 20, 2005 2:52 PM

The economy seems to be the main target here as well. Witness the attacks of 9/11 , the airline industry and the WTC. The oil pipelines in Iraq have also taken a beating.

Posted by: kevin at September 20, 2005 4:18 PM

Thia P.M. just met with Bush to strengthen trade relations, you can read abuot it here

Posted by: RJT at September 20, 2005 6:10 PM

Currently reading Sam Harris' "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future of Reason"

The book is an inditement of all religious belief. I'm not sure I agree at all with his many conclusions, but when I went straight to the chapter 'The Problem with Islam,' I was pleased to read an astute, in-depth and no-holds-barred critique of the RoP that would impress Robert Spencer himself.

After quoting literally dozens of Quranic Verses exhorting violence towards or hatred of the unbeliever, Harris writes:

"On almost every page, the Quran instructs observant Muslims to despise non-believers. On almost every page, it prepares the ground for religious conflict. Anyone who can read passages like those quoted above and not see a link between Muslim faith and Muslim violence should probably consult a neurologist."

On Huntington's clash of civilizations, Harris puts it in a nutshell:

"...the West must either win the agrument or win the war. All else will be bondage."

Characteristically of almost all critics of Islam (including Spencer), Harris details the whys but not the hows in his insistence that Islam must be transformed. Perhaps it is a question too big for any one man.

Posted by: Cornelius at September 20, 2005 6:28 PM

Here we go again. Jihad rears its ugly head in infidel territories and all Hell, aka Islam, breaks out. The "moderate" Muslims demand deliberation in determining the cause. Could it be the Muslims who don't understand the "true" message of the profit / prophet, burp? Or is it a few stray Muslims who have socio-economic reasons to resist (ie, KILL) the infidels (aka, non-Muslims)? Next, the whole multicultural, p.c. world shits its pants trying to convince itself that Islam has nothing to do with the violence in the world today. The apologist go even one futher spewing nonsense proclaiming the glory of Islam and the sins of all Western (aka, civilized) societies.

Well, PHUCK all of them. The solution: TOTAL WAR; detain, deport ALL Muslims, "good" and "bad" to the Islamic utopia of their choice. (Quotes used because there is no such thing as a "good" Muslim and "bad" is not need when used to describe a Muslim-it's redundant.) Next, level all population centers with populations of over 1,000 people--START with the biggest cities first. Cairo, Damascus, Jakarta, Riyadh, Tehran, etc. Pay no mind to civilian casualties because it makes no difference. These animals must be slaughered. (Apologies to all animals offended by being compared to Muslims.)

Muslims, be aware that there are millions of Westerners like me today. WE HATE ALL THINGS ISLAMIC AND THAT INCLUDES MUSLIMS. We don't give a camel's ass about understanding Islam or Islamic culture. We view all things Islamic as eternally backwards. Just as "moderate" Muslims sit on the sidelines while their Muslim brothers plot agains the civilized world, we sit on the sidelines pretending that we respect Islam. The reality is very simple: we don't care if the Islamic world is reduced to a series of radioactive parking lots. Actually, that's what we'd prefer to see.

The political will to destroy Muslim population bases grows steadily every day. May this political will reach critical mass and let the bombings begin.

Infidels Akbar

Thirdworldheaven

Posted by: ThirdWorldHeaven at September 20, 2005 8:56 PM

Thirdworld heaven,

It is people like you who give aid and comfort to the Islamists by tarnishing this wonderful website with the ugly brush of fanaticism.

Please go elsewhere to convey your rabid calls to genocidal slaughter. I hope I can speak for all when I say we are a rational community here and have no need for wild-eyed fanatics in our struggle against wild-eyed fanaticism.

There's a good chance you are an Islamist yourself trying to discredit this web-site with your rant.

Posted by: Cornelius at September 20, 2005 9:11 PM

A note to John B.-

I know southern Thailand's geography fairly well. The place isn't all that big, really. Jihadists in our view would have absolutely no trouble at all reaching Phuket or Samui or any number of tourist enclaves in the region. All of them are potential targets. Denial won't make us any safer.

I would have difficulty enjoying a beach holiday in southern Thailand under prevailing political conditions there, I regret to say. I do hope the jihad in southern Thailand ends soon so perhaps I might be able to appreciate its charms.

After all, let us not forget Filipino, Malaysian, and Indonesian jihadists had no trouble at all reaching Afghanistan...

Posted by: pythagoras at September 20, 2005 9:14 PM

The collapse of the economy in Southern Thailand is by the Jihadist's design. Drive out those Muslims who want to live in peace and go about their business. Drive out the Bhudists who will be terrorized.

This was the same game plan the PLO used in the West Bank and Gaza. Destroy the economy. It doesn't matter how many Muslims starve. Blame that Muslim starvation on the Jews (or Thais as the case may be). Then people will become angry and revolt.

If Bush and Company are awake, a major goal of the Jihadists in Iraq and Afghanistan is to destroy any economic development or improvement.

Thus, this is all by the Muslims design. The Jihadis are succeeding in destroying the Southern Thailand economy. Pretty soon the Western press will discuss how miserable things are for the Muslims in Thailand.

Posted by: DavidE at September 20, 2005 9:17 PM

Hugh says:

Western governments should act on this knowledge -- or, to rephrase it, should first acquire this knowledge, and then act upon it.

Western governments don’t need to acquire this knowledge as they have been in possession of it for a long time.
They know all what most of us here know. Perhaps more.
If they don’t act it is for the same reason their voters don’t. It is the failure of nerve, conviction and principles not so much vis a vis Islam, but the regnant ideology of anti-western, anti-christian and anti-national liberalism. That paralyzing apprehension afflicts both the government and the people.

The truth is that if the salvation ever comes it will be not from governments, but from the governed. Alas, the governed would rather bitch (as we do here) than act. The governed resigned itself to the increasing presence of moslems in the West and the growth of their political power. But that exactly is the true Jihad – not the occasional murders in Manhattan, Madrid and London. And every day, as a new few thousands of moslems are being born in our ancestral lands, or sneak across our borders marks a new victory for the islam.

With all respect Hugh do you seriously believe our governments are not aware of that?

Posted by: thomas. h at September 20, 2005 10:37 PM

More excerpts from Sam Harris' "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason"...

On Noam Chompsky:

"Nothing in Chompsky's account acknowledges the difference between intending to kill a child, because of the effect you hope to produce on its parents (terrorism), and inadvertantly killing a child in an attempt to capture or kill an avowed child murderer (collateral damage). In both cases a child has died and in both cases it is tragedy. But the ethical status of the perpetrators, be they individuals or states, could hardly be more distinct."

On the roots of the problem:

"...the rise of Islamic fundamentalism is only a problem because the fundamentals of Islam are a problem."

On civil society:

"Is Islam compatible with a civil society? Is it possible to believe what you must believe to be a good Muslim, to have military and economic power, and to not pose an unconscienable threat to the civil societies of others? I believe the answer to this question is no. If a stable peace is ever to be achieved between Islam and the West, Islam must undergo a radical transformation."

Unfortunately, Mr Harris doesn't elaborate on how that transformation is to take place.

Posted by: Cornelius at September 21, 2005 12:18 AM

Cornelius
There are folks out here who share ThirdWorldHeaven,s view
If you look at history you will find the only way to stem islam is to be brutal
What many of us forget is this war was started by the moslems/mohammed and they set the rules of combat.
So shall we allow the moslems to level all population centers with populations of over 1,000 people with the biggest cities first. Mew York,London,Chicago,Paris,Sydney, etc. They pay no attentiom to civilian casualties because it makes no difference to these animals how many are slaughered.
By not playing by the rules that they set,then we are playing into their hands.

Posted by: shiva at September 21, 2005 2:08 AM

Shiva,

You dehumanize Muslims by referring to them as animals just as they call Jews the sons of swine and apes. You then advocate the slaughter of countless millions of men, women and children; a mindset befitting the most fanatical Muslim terrorist.

You have become the mirror image of the enemy and are no better.

Posted by: Cornelius at September 21, 2005 8:22 AM

Cornelius:
I hope I can speak for all when I say we are a rational community here
Dear Cornelius
I'm off the peace truck for now. Fight fire with fire. Just in
Thai marines killed by Villagers

Posted by: desi_singh at September 21, 2005 8:46 AM

"With all respect Hugh do you seriously believe our governments are not aware of that?"
-- from a posting above

The government consists of people who are not much smarter, or better inhformed, than the general population. Islam is presented as a "religion" and most people accord automatic respect to something called a "religion" (god knows why). Among the idols of the age, in the Western world, is that Diversity is a Good Thing, and we need not inquire too deeply into the beliefs of people but should take them at their word.

Most of the people, almost all of the people, who once studied Islam is the Western world saw exactly what it was like. This was in the heyday of Western scholarship, circa 1850-1960. Since then, Muslmis and those who either agree with them or do not wish to offend them or are scared of them for other reasons have managed to take control of the teaching faculties, and much of the publication, about Islam -- all over the West. Arab money has played a big role. So has the general decline in academic standars. Like chooses like -- get a few such agents of Islam into positions of power, and they will choose others like themselves, and carefully weed out any independent truth-tellers, or those likely to discover the truth.

And Islam is a complicated subject -- complicated because in the Western world no one quite seems able to forget that there are a large number of Muslims who do not participate in terrorism, and at least some of whom claim to be wonderful peace-loving, etc. people -- and most of us are inclined (I'm not) to believe them, to want to believe them.

It is hard for people to understand mass deception, or to understand that some of that is self-deception, or a willing refusal to acknowledge what is in the Qur'an, the Hadith, and the Sira. And we have to learn to be ruthless in our protective measures -- to understand that since we cannot distinguish the true "moderate" from the "immoderate" Muslim, and even the "moderate" Muslim by his very presence, swells the ranks of Muslims and of perceived Muslim power, and therefore further inhibits our political figures (look at lonely brave Tancredo, just now joined, it seems, by Romney -- and one waits, hopes, for others), who do not care for much beyond their own success, and like most of us, do not think beyond this year, or possibly next.

Yes, I do think that Stupidity accounts for a lot of it. There is a lot, about Islam, to keep in one's head. The texts. The effect of those texts. The right definition of a "moderate." The way in which "moderate" Muslims aid the Jihad. The way in which "moderate" Muslims metamorphose into "immoderates." The way in which "moderate" Muslim immigrants have children or grandchildren who, at some point, rediscover Islam with a vengeance, the My-son-the-fanatic problem. The way in which the large-scale presence of Muslmis makes our own lives so much more unpleasant, expensive, and dangerous than they would otherwise be -- in a world already so unpleasant, so expensive, and so dangerous.

There is not a conspiracy among our ruling classes to hide things. They are an elite in money and power only -- not in brains. Look at them. Look at their faces. Look at the way they use language. Do our rulers, in this country or elsewhere, impress you? Of course not. So why deny the effect of ignorance and sheer dumbness? These are always powerful forces.

What was it Erdos said? Stupidity and aging are the two worst things. There is nothing you can do about either.

Posted by: Hugh at September 21, 2005 8:46 AM

Desi Singh,

There are appropriate methods to fight the war against Islamism, some of them military and even some that could be deemed discriminatory (I for one am a proponent of RELIGIOUS profiling). But to "fight fire with fire"...i.e., to resort to the deliberate slaughter of women and children, this only legitimizes the methods of the jihadis and erases the distinction between us and them.

You're a Sikh; your people have been brutalized by Islam for centuries. I understand how this could color your thinking. But fighting fire with fire will only create an inferno that will consume all. Fighting fire with water is the answer. That means applying appropriate levels of military, political, economic, diplomatic, legal and perhaps most importantly, ideological pressure to bear on the enemy.

It doesn't mean resurrecting Hitler's 'final solution.'

How 'bout some input from the rest of you good people?

Posted by: Cornelius at September 21, 2005 9:24 AM

I'm with Cornelius, and would remind Shiva and ThirdWorld of Spencer's threat to terminate the comments section if people continue to post intemperate remarks that only harm the work he is trying to do here: educate the world on the direct link between Islamic terrorism and the tenets of the faith as presented in various holy texts.

At the very least, we invite the intrusions of the likes of the antagonistic troll, KingTemporance by setting up the soap box for the shameless fool who would cast us all in the same mold as anti-Semites in Europe in the run up to the Holocaust despite the substantive differences in the situations.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 21, 2005 9:56 AM

Desi_singh,Shiva, ThirdWorldHeaven,

I am fully aware of the terrible suffering the monster of islam have caused your people. Frankly, I am not so sure I would sound different than you had I been a Sikh, or Hindu or Armenian.
Thank God I live in a safe country of Denmark and have not personally experienced the Mohammedan evil. Well, not yet in any case.
Really, I am not too comfortable telling people of tortured and horribly wounded nations, whether Sikhs, Hindus, Jews or Armenians, that they should contain their thirst of revenge within the limits drawn by our civilization. Nevertheless, I believe in a code all humans (with the notable exception of Moslems) share. And that code allows us, indeed commends us, to do everything to defend our lives, but puts limits to the extent of our retaliation. There are lines we must never cross if we wish to remain human; one of them is deliberate murder of innocents - no matter how closely these innocents are associated with those who hurt us and prepare our death and destruction.

Some years ago a “palestinian” Arab explained on the TV that murdering Israeli children is morally justified because these children are future Israeli soldiers and “we are obliged to prevent by every available means our children to be the future victims of these soldiers”.
Perfect reasoning and unlimited justification leads to perfect bestiality.

But the man spent all his life on the Planet of the Moslems – he just couldn’t help it.

Please, Shiva, ThirdWorldheaven and Desi_singh, being Infidel carries a price of being denied unlimited justification to prepare holocaust. Not even fantasizing about it. It is not too high a price to pay for remaining human.

Posted by: thomas. h at September 21, 2005 12:13 PM

Hugh,

Well, I never said the governments are any wiser than the rest of us. Only that they are as cowardly as the rest of us.
They will never act unless they fear us more than they fear the deity of tolerance, diversity and multiculturalism.
And it is this Unholy Trinity that we dread to defy infinitely more than we fear Islam.

Islam will become meek and obedient the day we revolt against that stupid and ugly deity of "Liberal Humanism".

Posted by: thomas. h at September 21, 2005 12:51 PM

thomas. h / waterdragon52 / Cornelius
Firstly,I suggest you read my comment a little more carefully,As you will see I am stating that ThirdWorldHeaven is not the only person who has such views.

Shiva,
You dehumanize Muslims by referring to them as animals just as they call Jews the sons of swine and apes. You then advocate the slaughter of countless millions of men, women and children; a mindset befitting the most fanatical Muslim terrorist.
You have become the mirror image of the enemy and are no better.
This is okay for me,as long as Islam exists.When there is no more Islam,then there is no more reflection.

Please check this out
http://www.fica.org/hr/banyuwangi/kepala.jpg

http://www.fomi.se/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1627

I would like to point out that I live not very far from where these incidents happened;now how else can you describe this type of people.

Yes I am very aware of Roberts threat,and this is one of the reasons why I dont post here so often just now.

Posted by: shiva at September 21, 2005 1:51 PM

thomas. h
You live in Denmark
I would like some information please,
I have been trying to find out about some robberies that happened in Denmark in the early 80,s.The Post Office,where a policeman was shot,and Daell Varhus.The robbers where extreme left wing,and the money was being channeled to palistine.If you find anything about this could you post some links
Many thanks in advance
Regards
shiva

Posted by: shiva at September 21, 2005 2:03 PM

Shiva,

I don’t have the English language links you’re asking for immediately available. Also, I will have to use the computer of some kind people here (I know a few) for the next couple of days as my own computer is being repaired. So you will have to give me some more time.

In the meantime I can tell you that the “Blekkingegade Gang” is formally only connected to the Copenhagen Main Post Office robbery where a young 21 years old policeman was shot dead. Because of legal technicalities and ensuing from it quibbles The Daelles Warehouse robbery and the robbery against the Workers Trade Union could not be directly proven although the involvement of the Blekkingegade Gang was as obvious as the guilt of OJ Simpson.
The Bl. G. was acting as an extension, or support group, of the PLFP and its mission was to procure money to finance PLFP’s terror against Israel. Also at the behest of PLFP the Bl. G. prepared a list of prominent Danish Jews to be dealt with when the opportunity arises. The Blekkingegade Gang also accumulated a formidable arsenal of weapons robbed from the Swedish Army depots and smuggled into Denmark.
After the Post Office robbery the Left mobilized the best legal defence the money could buy to defend the murderers. That, combined with absolutely pathetic naiveté and wishy-washiness of the prosecution resulted in gangsters getting the minimum possible sentence. It has never been established which one of the four defendants murdered the young policeman. Scandalously, instead of holding all four gangsters culpable of murder none of them was charged for slaying the policeman. After a few years of prison three were released except one who was wanted by the Swiss authorities for previous terror activity in Switzerland. I think he has been released by now, but I am not sure.

After their release the three murderers who the leftist media almost openly glorified for their gallant struggle against the Zionist occupier of “Palestine” emerged as romantic heroes – the Danish version of Che Guevara. Basking in the romantic aura of “freedom fighters” they became instant celebrities especially of the crowd involved in the, so called, “Palestinian cause”. They have been interviewed by the media and invited by sundry educational institutions to deliver lecturers. None of them ever apologized or expressed regret of any sort. On the contrary.

Anyway, Shiva, I will see if I can collect something more substantial and “documentative” (I’m not sure that’s the right word) for you tomorrow. Please check the thread soon.
It is 23:25 in Copenhagen and I still haven’t finished my work for today, so I’ll better leave now.

regards,

Thomas H.
PS. I followed the links you include in your posting. Good Lord, how horrible. Indeed Islam must be the creation of the Devil himself. How else can one explain the descend of human to such utmost bestiality.

Posted by: thomas. h at September 21, 2005 5:39 PM

Ah, and it should be "Blekingegade", not "Blekkingegade" as I wrote above. Sorry.

Posted by: thomas. h at September 21, 2005 5:46 PM

RE: Our Government

Yes, it is very easy to feel that our government
is usless and then people become frustrated. But our government is not going to tell the public their whole strategy.

I recommend the following book:
"America's Secret War" - Inside The Hidden
Worldwide Struggle Between America and Its
Enemies.
by Dr. George Freidman
Founder of Stratfor
( visit www.stratfor.com )

Posted by: learjet0450 at September 21, 2005 6:25 PM

RE: I followed the links you include in your posting. Good Lord, how horrible. Indeed Islam must be the creation of the Devil himself. How else can one explain the descend of human to such utmost bestiality.

Yes, it is in the Bible as the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael...quote from the Bible "and they will be like a wild man"

From a spiritual perspective, anyone who denies
that evil exists (ie: liberals) need to do a little soul searching.

Posted by: learjet0450 at September 21, 2005 7:16 PM

RE: I followed the links you include in your posting. Good Lord, how horrible. Indeed Islam must be the creation of the Devil himself. How else can one explain the descend of human to such utmost bestiality.

Yes, it is in the Bible as the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael...quote from the Bible "and they will be like a wild man"

From a spiritual perspective, anyone who denies
that evil exists (ie: liberals) need to do a little soul searching.

Posted by: learjet0450 at September 21, 2005 7:17 PM

Cornelius--

Islamic ideology is based upon the slaughter of human beings. There is no way to stop Muslims from killing unless you can find a way to convince these people to abandon Islam altogether. And a good many of them will not abandon Islam no matter what you try to do with them.

A passage in the Qur'an reads and I quote: "and when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters everywhere they are found, besiege them, capture them, prepare every ambush for them-tax them upon their conversion."

There you have it. Islam is DESIGNED to kill human beings. Muslims across the globe build networks to attack and slaughter non-Muslims. Look at Indonesia's Jemaah Islamiyah for example. The Philippines' Abu Sayyaf. Iran's Hizb'al-lah. Add your own list, cause there's more than you'll be able to shake a stick at. And they all attack and kill non-Muslims at every opportunity they get.

Islam will CONTINUE to slaughter human beings no matter WHAT ANY OF US DO. And it is OUR PEOPLE they will attack.

One of the tragedies we face is that stopping Islam's disciples of murder and mayhem will require that we kill at least some of them.

If Islamic militants finally succeed in turning US cities into Hiroshimas as they currently are screaming they are going to do, do you TRULY believe you will still wish to abide by a peaceful solution to Islamic militant insurgency?

I doubt it.

And remember, millions of Muslims believe 'paradise lies under the shade of the swords.'

Posted by: pythagoras at September 21, 2005 9:09 PM

PS
Thomas i can read danish

Posted by: shiva at September 22, 2005 2:14 AM

Sense of self-scrutiny is alive and kicking within all of us with no excuses/justifications for killing a human. We have just become conscientious objectors but Moslems aren't so. Know thy enemy and killing would be morally justifiable.
It is the fear of killing rather than fear of being killed was the most common cause of battle failure ---- Gen S.L.A. Marshall(WWII).

Posted by: desi_singh at September 22, 2005 7:25 AM

PATHAGORAS: "If Islamic militants finally succeed in turning US cities into Hiroshimas as they currently are screaming they are going to do, do you TRULY believe you will still wish to abide by a peaceful solution to Islamic militant insurgency?"

CORNELIUS: You haven't been properly digesting what I've been writing. I've never once confined my response to the problems of jihad to a "peaceful solution."

I believe in military action, when and where appropriate. I don't believe in a pre-emptive, genocidal slaughter of as many Muslim men, woman and children as possible.

Is that clear enough?

Posted by: Cornelius at September 22, 2005 9:09 AM

Great posts Hugh.

We need to support the military in Thailand and kill or defeat the Muslims there.

Islam is MAD,
And I dont CAIR,

Posted by: dgene at September 22, 2005 10:13 AM

It behooves us not to confuse a call to arms as against correctly calculating the best method to achieve victory.

Remember the object is not to die for your beliefs, but rather to make the enemy die for his.

Posted by: dgene at September 22, 2005 10:31 AM

Shiva,

Thomas i can read danish

Well, that makes the search very easy, as there is a plenty about the “Blekingegade” gang in Danish on the Internet. If you search for “Blekingegade Bande” the Google will return over 70 Danish links.

Og Shiva, hvordan kan det være at du taler dansk? Har du boet i Danmark, eller er du dansk gift? Eller måske begge dele?

Mange hilsner og pas godt for dig selv!

Thomas H.

Posted by: thomas. h at September 22, 2005 11:04 AM

Cornelius wrote,

Characteristically of almost all critics of Islam (including Spencer), Harris details the whys but not the hows in his insistence that Islam must be transformed. Perhaps it is a question too big for any one man.

I don’t think it is our business to transform Islam, so the whys and hows are not really terribly important now.

What I mean is that there are more pressing matters than transforming Islam and the most urgent one is the survival of our own civilization right now. We would be gone forever long before anyone succeeds in figuring out how to transform Islam. What we need now is saving ourselves through maximum possible separation from islam.

And that can’t be done without complete and effective ending of the growth of the moslem population and Moslem “civilization” in our midst.
The “hows” of that imperative are not too complicated to consider and to carry out. Closing our borders to Moslems, shutting mosques and Islamic schools, immediate deportations of Moslem criminals, or long time unemployed and, quite important, making the western aid to Moslem countries conditioned on their willingness to accept the Moslems ejected from the West.

Let’s save ours civilization first. If the corollary of that effort will produce a crisis within islam it is only for good. Civilizations, like humans, can only change through crisis. If we are serious about transforming Islam we must contribute to such crisis. Preventing crisis will keep the Islamic disease live and kicking. But it will be us that Islam will be kicking. Forever.

Posted by: thomas. h at September 22, 2005 12:19 PM

Hej Thomas
Jag bodde i Sverige för några år och lärde mig svenska , och i tidig 80 talet bodde jag för några i Copenhagen.Så jag kan läsa Danish.Men skrivning tvärre kan jag inte
Nu bor jag i Indonesien, men jag förbereder mig till flyttningen till Thialand
Många tak för informationen, har jag försökt att finna den på länge, men med ingen tur. Denna magiska ordet att google var "Blekingegade", vilken jag saknad
Om detta är okay med dig jag ska fortsätta på engelskt, i respect för de andra medlemmarna in denna forum
Hälsning
shiva

What was interesting with this case is what happened in France,when a couple of guys where arrested at the airport with a large sum of money,that was traced back to the robberies,and how the french,finally released these people,and let them continue to the middle east with the money
Talk about crazy
Another thing I remenber from around that time was one of the danish ministers suggested sending waste pork product as famine relief to some where in Africa,Bit of an uproar at the time,he was lucky not to have a fatwa issued,,,You Danes have a great sense of Humour
Sorry any info on this as well,as I would like to have it in my Files
Thanks for all help

Posted by: shiva at September 22, 2005 1:59 PM

Hej Shiva,

Well, that was quite an amusing encounter. It is nice to bump into a neighbour (or an ex neighbour) while roaming the international highway of the Internet! Many years ago I worked in Sweden (Forsmark) and unlike most Danes I speak Swedish rather well. When I was younger I would spend summers hiking in the wilderness of Lappland, but nowadays my physique can not keep up with the ambitions of my spirit and I had to settle for less demanding forms of recreation.

What was interesting with this case is what happened in France,when a couple of guys where arrested at the airport with a large sum of money,that was traced back to the robberies,and how the french,finally released these people,and let them continue to the middle east with the money
Talk about crazy

Disgusting, cynical and cowardly is perhaps a better description than “crazy”. Well, French will be French will be traitors…

With regards to the Danish Minister who wanted to send pork product to Africa as famine relief – I do recall something vaguely, but could not find anything specific on the subject. I will try to ask a good friend here who is a walking Danish Google. He should be back in Copenhagen in a few days. If he can’t help - nobody can. Let’s see..

Speaking of pork products and Islam, I proposed some years ago that the easiest and quickest way to “reform islam” is to drop a few hundred tons of pig manure on Mecca. I reasoned that the Moslem would wait half an hour for Allah to smite the infidel of the world but in the absence of such retaliation they will have to conclude that allah is a hoax invented by mohammed and therefore the whole islam is but a piece of crap. Oh, that would be nice…inte sand?

And really Shiva, you’d better move from Indonesia to Thailand while you can. It must be a drag to live in a Moslem country!

Cheers,

Thomas H.

Posted by: thomas. h at September 22, 2005 7:04 PM

Hey Thomas
I am familar to Fosmark,as i worked In Ringhals 1 and 2
Since Robert gave a warning that he might close the comments section I have been posting on other sights using what I have learned here,this is why i rarely post here now.
I post a lot at this forum,maybe you can take a look in
http://www.fomi.se/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1432

Why I remember about the pork,is because I use to spend a lot of time on the Stroget and for about three weeks there was a Morocan who ran up and down screaming he wanted to killed the minister.
Cheers for now

Posted by: shiva at September 22, 2005 11:57 PM