What is most telling in this explanation of Islam by an American convert ("revert") to it, is the way in which he tosses off, in a phrase, the revealing "when invaders come into our countries." "Our countries" shows a complete identificaton not with Islam as a matter of private worship, but with Islam as a complete geopolitical system, with "our" countries -- Muslim countries -- and then the countries or lands that still are possessed by non-Muslims.

One need not here go into the complete, silly acceptance of the Muslim propaganda both about what has gone on in Israel, as the Jews there have tried to fend off a relentless Jihad -- what I have called many times here, using the kind of language that both Infidels and Muslims can understand, the Lesser Jihad (which is all about taking land, not about any interest in the local Muslim population, most of which does not trace its ancestry in "Palestine" back more than 3 generations, having arrived, chiefly from Iraq and Egypt, in the period 1910-1940, when Arab immigration was far larger than that of the Jews whose immigration, and ability to buy land from the Ottomans and local (often absentee) landlords, were specifically part of the Mandate which Great Britain, the mandatory authority, had solemnly committed itself to encourage and facilitate (see the League of Nations' Mandate for Palestine, and read it, and the Preamble to it, very carefully before EVER talking about the Mandate for Palestine again).

Nor that business of "invaders" which not only is to apply to the beastly Israelis (who, let me repeat, entered a land where 90% of it was owned by the Ottoman state, and where all they sought, and all they received, was the right to buy land -- not a single dunam or inch was taken before the war made on Israel in 1948, so let's just stop accepting the spouting of such nonsense by anyone -- either you learn the facts, or you do not. Period.), but also to Iraq, where many of us are furious not at the invasion, but at the gross squandering of resources on the outrageously corrupt, whining, eager to play the Americans for all their worth (remember Jaafari's appearance in Washington, where he had the telling gall to request an American-funded "Marshall Plan for Iraq" -- which he unctuously suggested, as he stood nexst to Bush, could be called the "Bush Plan" -- this form a country which has the second largtest, or possibly largest, oil reservges in the world, a country which, to the extent that it remains Muslim, also remains the mortal enemy, in the end, of all non-Muslims everywhere, for Qur'an, and Hadith, and Sira tell them to believe, and behave -- except of course when darura, extreme necessity -- forces them to play along with whatever Infidels are around, whose aid they may find useful.

"our countries" -- from an American convert?

What clearer demonstration of a Fifth Column, of -- not divided loyalties, but a single loyalty, a loyalty only to fellow Muslims, to the umma al-islamiyya, do you need?

This is it. This is a classic Muslim attitude, nicely laid out -- and from someone who simply, by accepting Islam, has had his entire world-view has been completely transformed, all sense of loyalty to this country, or to the Infidels in this country who were once his family, his friends, his fellow Americans, has evanesced (oh, except that he wishes them well, so much so that he wishes them to become Muslims just like himself -- good god), and he himself, in the careful demographic toting-up that Muslims engage in (not without a lot of exaggeration too -- to encourage people to think that "History is on Our Side" just as the Marxists insisted that they were inevitably the wave of the future), he now has shifted from the Infidel column, to the Column of Muslims --- which, everywhere in the Infidel lands, in America as in Great Britain, or France or Italy or Spain, should be seen for exactly what it is -- a Fifth Column. No more classic example of the phenomenon can be found, for it is not merely or even mainly military, but works to inhibit discussion, to prevent coverage of events, to frighten into silence politicans and commentators, so that the slow work of softening up the Infidels, and getting them used to the idea of appeasement here, and appeasement there -- what Bat Ye'or has so brilliantly called "dhimitude" or the totality of manifestations of a dhimmi-like attitude, but one that precedes the actual imposition of Muslim rule and Muslim dominance. In short, a kind of anticipatory or proleptic yielding to Our Masters the Muslims.

No, we won't do not. Non serviam, Mr. Reverter, with your little phrase about "our countries."

Study that closely. Take it in. Understand what it means. Then explaini it to others, just as fast and as eloquently as you can.

Posted by: Hugh at September 22, 2005 11:18 AM

The "American Muslim's" response in the note to Erick Stackelbeck typifies the culture of victimhood in Jihadism that is essential to perpetuate and justify its violent ideology. I know this culture well from our own recent history - my roots are in the deep American South, and I recall the same sense of grievance from my grandparent's generation. They also nurtured this to perpetuate an angry, bankrupt culture opposed to modernity. And of course, they also perverted their religion (Christianity) to suite the needs of their ideology as well.

Posted by: PC at September 22, 2005 11:24 AM

I am used to the frequent acusation thet we are stealing their oil, but as we have paid market price for every barrel we bought, and since they would never have known of their oil had Europeans not found it, I might just as well claim their royalties are blackmail.

Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at September 22, 2005 11:38 AM

They say convert, I say retard.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 22, 2005 12:35 PM

A comment from the muslim american above:

"rape our economies and resources, as well as our women and children."

I'll start with the end of that statement. Of course, all us Westerners mainly invade to rape the women and children. Where does this nut case get his evidence? He is just trying to evoke the strongest emotions in HIMSELF, not to make sense. He could just as easily said "when you come here to eat our babies alive, THEN you will find us to be a religion of terror."

As for the first part of the statement, it is amazing how Islam can so easily make common cause with the far left, communist-style thinking.

If you can't break down a word into rational sub concepts, it is not rational. I believe this to be true of the bogey word "GLOBALIZATION" (ooooh, so scary).

If rich american companies come to a third world country and say to the govt. "we'd like to build a textile factory here" or "we'd like to have land lease to extract natural gas", the govt and or the people are welcomed to say "no" or impose any conditions they wish. Perhaps you say "ah, but the american company will bribe that foreign official to get their way" - however, it is more likely the foreign official is the one insisting on a bribe, while the american is thinking the deal was a good one for both, on its own merits, before any consideration of bribery.

And then, even if a factory is established, the populace can still have the capitalist "invasion" fail if they choose not to work at the new factory. Of course, they never make this choice, because any kind of work ALWAYS brings relief to these banana republics with 20, 30, 40% unemployment.

To understand how distorted leftist thinking is, consider this - I read an article in the New York Times a few years ago that berated an american investment in Africa because they had not done ENOUGH for them. The comment was "well, of course, the new factory has helped the economy somewhat in the city, but in the RURAL areas, people are still starving!!"

So capitalism was a necessary evil, but didn't go far enough? LOL. Please, any lefties out there, consider what GLOBALIZATION really is - a non-word. You would need to describe instead, why "foreign investment" is a bad thing (which it is not).

Otherwise, at least you can get your picture taken at Davos next year, holding up a sign with Bush's face drawn with devils horns drawn on. The rest of us will be at work.

Posted by: VoiceOfSkippy at September 22, 2005 12:40 PM

Username:

You need to use fewer sentences and more thought. Once upon a time there was this cult called Islam that conquered a region that had been predominantly Christian (indeed the birthplace of Christianity) and Jewish. Go back and revisit the Crusades (with all their warts) and you will find they were an attempt to reconquer the Holy Lands so that Christians could reclaim their heritage in the region.

Once upon a time there were people called the Spanish. Around the 8th century AD they launched the first OF MANY religious wars. These were called "The Reconquest" or "Reconquista". Do have a problem with that too?

Once upon a time there were people who lived in the Balkans. Around the late 17th century AD they launched the first OF MANY religious wars. The purpose of these wars was to drive the Muslims (Ottomans) out of Europe. Do have a problem with that too?

Posted by: johnb at September 22, 2005 12:58 PM

I was replying to a post by someone labled as "username". I was delayed in posting and after I did, apparently his post went AWOL. Just to clear up the reason for my post.

Posted by: johnb at September 22, 2005 1:02 PM

Love....

It's ommission from the quran is glaringly obvious...

Posted by: jawa at September 22, 2005 1:16 PM

"...when invaders come into our countries, bulldoze our houses, rape our economies and resources, as well as our women and children........"

When did invaders come to this idiot's country", when was his house bulldozed or his children raped?

I thought he said he was an American !!!
Muslims will never be loyal to America, they are only loyal to islam. They will never bear arms to defend this country. They will only defend islam.

Posted by: Anti-PC at September 22, 2005 1:33 PM

This is nothing new. Those of us that are non-Muslims have repeatedly remarked upon the same points, citing Koranic verses, the lessons of history, and Muslims own words have been called bigots, racists, and worse. The difference is that this particular poster is a Muslim and also an American. The question is: will anyone heed his words or ours before it's too late?

Posted by: epg at September 22, 2005 3:31 PM

VoiceOfSkippy said "...when you come here to eat our babies alive, THEN you will find us to be a religion of terror."

Actually, the Arab press continues to spread the Blood Libel against Jews to this day. As recently as this year Egyptian tv broadcast a series based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that repeated the claim that Jews must drink the blood of sacrificial Muslim children to celebrate Passover.

So, the Muslims have already taken your advice and come up with the most bizarre possible excuse to rile themselves up for jihad.

Posted by: special_guest at September 22, 2005 3:47 PM

Even a wiggly line on an ice cream wrapper is oppression and reason to kill.Walking on eggshells is not living free.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 22, 2005 4:08 PM

This mind set reminds me of the psychological profiles of "Abusers" that can also suffer from paranoia , anyone challenging their version of realty is a threat and as a defense mechanism everyone else is the enemy and violence is justified because they believe you will harm them one day in the near future.

I believe Muhammed fit this profile and created his own world that had him as the spokesperson for God , and to protect this lie he used threats of harm to control people into accepting it. Shariah Law is just an extension of this control and apostates are seen as making a free will choice to become a enemy of Islam to be killed before they harm Islam in the future.
The basic triats for this condition is to blame the victims for your violence and harm towards them , and any attempt to get them help is seen as a conspiracy to trick them because they believe they are sane while everyone esle is against them, also , being defensive and quick to anger is another sign of the paranoia.

Just compare these behaviours to how Ibrihim Hooper reacts when anyone tries to expose the truth about Muhammed and Islam, CAIR and their ilk suffer from the abused spouse syndrome and are quick to defend Muhammed as mis-understood and only they know the true Islam and love from Allah.
When killers are about to be given their death penalty there are always those that stand out side the prison and defend them as innocent and only THEY understand the real person inside the killer, but in America we now have the terrorism threat by Muslims and groups like CAIR which are really the people outside the prison defending Muhammed who is the murderer that only THEY understand and is innocent because it's a conspiracy to portray him as violent.

Muhhamed HAD to kill all those people , if not they would have tried to kill him one day in the future , and he is special because Allah talked to him and put him in charge of the world to control our free will so we don't become offensive to God.

Gee, that makes sense.

Posted by: ala-sux at September 22, 2005 5:26 PM

It is simply NOT true that Islam is distinguished by any sense of respect and tolerance for those who are different. If this man believes THAT, he is brainwashed and would not be considered a very good Muslim either.

Robert has exposed all this very well in "The Myth of Islamic Tolerance."

Islam has divided the world into two halves: The House of Al-lah and the House of War. Not a very promising premise for peace, is it?

Those who inhabit the House of War are the ones likely to be subjected to everything our American convert friend claims would turn him into a terrorist if HE were to subjected to such horrors. Every Islamic invasion of non-Muslim lands illustrates Muslim culpability in the cycle of viciousness, attacks, hate, looting, etc this man claims to deplore so much. Or is all this just an al-Taqqiya smokescreen he's putting up?

Remember the Koranic passage: "And when the sacred months have passed slay the infidels everywhere they are found....."

Clearly, Muslims need no provocation or pretext to invade and attack non-muslim lands. The Qur'an proves this and so does history--over and over.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 22, 2005 8:14 PM

Nothing That I have heard uttered by an islamist has made any sense to me..not even close to making sense and most of it is an outright lie. The sad fact is that no matter how much nonsense they spout,some will believe it.

Posted by: pismopal at September 22, 2005 9:11 PM

A ditty for the revert

islam has divided the world in two,
islam has divided ethics in two.
Duality is their reality,
with ethics for me
and ethics for you.
islam turns life upside down,
waffles its words round and round,
black is white, hate is good
murder is sacred, and jihad,
it's so misunderstood.

Posted by: the poetess at September 22, 2005 9:47 PM

I believe Mr. Robert Spencer, many blogers and particularly this and many other web sites like this, are manupilating and mis-representing muslim, islamic custom, culture and religion. We are suppose to be a well educated, literate and sober soceity of the world, but what we are showing and presenting ourself here? is a very illiterate, un-educated, non-sensible, idiotic, very low catagory and lunatic Society.

Remember during Cold war, there were KGB Agents in the USA and around the world working different places and catagory. Same is with the Al-Queda. The way Russians and KGB Agents were against us for many different reasons, so be with Al-Queda. Who is Al-Queda Group?

According to the resources of US Government one Al-Queda Group doesn't have any information and knowledge of the mission of other Al-Queda Group. Therefore, many other Human terrorist organizations of the world who are against USA, Britain and Israel other than Islamic, can also work behind the black curtain of Al-Queda and kill us and other European countries like Britain. Above all in order to obtain Global Domination that we The United States of America and many other European countries has been dreaming for so many years can obtained the benefit behind the black curtain of Al-Queda and can play politics and can kill our own people like in WACO Texas, to obtain such a dream. Take the example of Israel who created himself "Hammas" (human terrorist organization), but back-fired upon themselves.

I would like to see debate between Robert Spencer and David R. Griffin who wrote "New Pearl Harbour" about the conspiracy theory of 9-11 to get Global Domination by our blacksheeps Politicians at Capitol Hill. What Robert Spencer and many of us are doing here? "conspiracy theory" against a religion Islam. This is not the first time many countries like England, communists and Athiest organizations, and doctrines like "Quadiyani" for the last 1400 years has tried to destroy this religion called "Islam" but they were never become successful. The way Robert Spencer and you guys are doing is very shamful, non-sense, idiotic and lunatic way. Any one want to debate?

Kalanag

Posted by: kalanag at September 23, 2005 1:20 AM

I believe Mr. Robert Spencer, many blogers and particularly this and many other web sites like this, are manupilating and mis-representing muslim, islamic custom, culture and religion. We are suppose to be a well educated, literate and sober soceity of the world, but what we are showing and presenting ourself here? is a very illiterate, un-educated, non-sensible, idiotic, very low catagory and lunatic Society.

Remember during Cold war, there were KGB Agents in the USA and around the world working different places and catagory. Same is with the Al-Queda. The way Russians and KGB Agents were against us for many different reasons, so be with Al-Queda. Who is Al-Queda Group?

According to the resources of US Government one Al-Queda Group doesn't have any information and knowledge of the mission of other Al-Queda Group. Therefore, many other Human terrorist organizations of the world who are against USA, Britain and Israel other than Islamic, can also work behind the black curtain of Al-Queda and kill us and other European countries like Britain. Above all in order to obtain Global Domination that we The United States of America and many other European countries has been dreaming for so many years can obtained the benefit behind the black curtain of Al-Queda and can play politics and can kill our own people like in WACO Texas, to obtain such a dream. Take the example of Israel who created himself "Hammas" (human terrorist organization), but back-fired upon themselves.

I would like to see debate between Robert Spencer and David R. Griffin who wrote "New Pearl Harbour" about the conspiracy theory of 9-11 to get Global Domination by our blacksheeps Politicians at Capitol Hill. What Robert Spencer and many of us are doing here? "conspiracy theory" against a religion Islam. This is not the first time many countries like England, communists and Athiest organizations, and doctrines like "Quadiyani" for the last 1400 years has tried to destroy this religion called "Islam" but they were never become successful. The way Robert Spencer and you guys are doing is very shamful, non-sense, idiotic and lunatic way. Any one want to debate?

Kalanag

Posted by: kalanag at September 23, 2005 1:20 AM

I believe Mr. Robert Spencer, many blogers and particularly this and many other web sites like this, are manupilating and mis-representing muslim, islamic custom, culture and religion. We are suppose to be a well educated, literate and sober soceity of the world, but what we are showing and presenting ourself here? is a very illiterate, un-educated, non-sensible, idiotic, very low catagory and lunatic Society.

Remember during Cold war, there were KGB Agents in the USA and around the world working different places and catagory. Same is with the Al-Queda. The way Russians and KGB Agents were against us for many different reasons, so be with Al-Queda. Who is Al-Queda Group?

According to the resources of US Government one Al-Queda Group doesn't have any information and knowledge of the mission of other Al-Queda Group. Therefore, many other Human terrorist organizations of the world who are against USA, Britain and Israel other than Islamic, can also work behind the black curtain of Al-Queda and kill us and other European countries like Britain. Above all in order to obtain Global Domination that we The United States of America and many other European countries has been dreaming for so many years can obtained the benefit behind the black curtain of Al-Queda and can play politics and can kill our own people like in WACO Texas, to obtain such a dream. Take the example of Israel who created himself "Hammas" (human terrorist organization), but back-fired upon themselves.

I would like to see debate between Robert Spencer and David R. Griffin who wrote "New Pearl Harbour" about the conspiracy theory of 9-11 to get Global Domination by our blacksheeps Politicians at Capitol Hill. What Robert Spencer and many of us are doing here? "conspiracy theory" against a religion Islam. This is not the first time many countries like England, communists and Athiest organizations, and doctrines like "Quadiyani" for the last 1400 years has tried to destroy this religion called "Islam" but they were never become successful. The way Robert Spencer and you guys are doing is very shamful, non-sense, idiotic and lunatic way. Any one want to debate?

Kalanag

Posted by: kalanag at September 23, 2005 1:22 AM

I believe today many blogers and particularly this and many other web sites like this, are manupilating and mis-representing muslim, islamic custom, culture and religion. We are suppose to be a well educated, literate and sober soceity of the world, but what we are showing and presenting ourself here? is a very illiterate, un-educated, non-sensible, idiotic, very low catagory and lunatic Society.

Remember during Cold war, there were KGB Agents in the USA and around the world working different places and catagory. Same is with the Al-Queda. The way Russians and KGB Agents were against us for many different reasons, so be with Al-Queda. Who is Al-Queda Group?

According to the resources of US Government one Al-Queda Group doesn't have any information and knowledge of the mission of other Al-Queda Group. Therefore, many other Human terrorist organizations of the world who are against USA, Britain and Israel other than Islamic, can also work behind the black curtain of Al-Queda and kill us and other European countries like Britain. Above all in order to obtain Global Domination that we The United States of America and many other European countries has been dreaming for so many years can obtained the benefit behind the black curtain of Al-Queda and can play politics and can kill our own people like in WACO Texas, to obtain such a dream. Take the example of Israel who created himself "Hammas" (human terrorist organization), but back-fired upon themselves.

I would like to see debate between Robert Spencer and David R. Griffin who wrote "New Pearl Harbour" about the conspiracy theory of 9-11 to get Global Domination by our blacksheeps Politicians at Capitol Hill. What Robert Spencer and many of us are doing here? "conspiracy theory" against a religion Islam. This is not the first time many countries like England, communists and Athiest organizations, and doctrines like "Quadiyani" for the last 1400 years has tried to destroy this religion called "Islam" but they were never become successful. The way Robert Spencer and you guys are doing is very shamful, non-sense, idiotic and lunatic way. Any one want to debate?

Kalanag

Posted by: kalanag at September 23, 2005 1:23 AM

I believe Mr. Robert Spencer, many blogers and particularly this and many other web sites like this, are manupilating and mis-representing muslim, islamic custom, culture and religion. We are suppose to be a well educated, literate and sober soceity of the world, but what we are showing and presenting ourself here? is a very illiterate, un-educated, non-sensible, idiotic, very low catagory and lunatic Society.

Remember during Cold war, there were KGB Agents in the USA and around the world working different places and catagory. Same is with the Al-Queda. The way Russians and KGB Agents were against us for many different reasons, so be with Al-Queda. Who is Al-Queda Group?

According to the resources of US Government one Al-Queda Group doesn't have any information and knowledge of the mission of other Al-Queda Group. Therefore, many other Human terrorist organizations of the world who are against USA, Britain and Israel other than Islamic, can also work behind the black curtain of Al-Queda and kill us and other European countries like Britain. Above all in order to obtain Global Domination that we The United States of America and many other European countries has been dreaming for so many years can obtained the benefit behind the black curtain of Al-Queda and can play politics and can kill our own people like in WACO Texas, to obtain such a dream. Take the example of Israel who created himself "Hammas" (human terrorist organization), but back-fired upon themselves.

I would like to see debate between Robert Spencer and David R. Griffin who wrote "New Pearl Harbour" about the conspiracy theory of 9-11 to get Global Domination by our blacksheeps Politicians at Capitol Hill. What Robert Spencer and many of us are doing here? "conspiracy theory" against a religion Islam. This is not the first time many countries like England, communists and Athiest organizations, and doctrines like "Quadiyani" for the last 1400 years has tried to destroy this religion called "Islam" but they were never become successful. The way Robert Spencer and you guys are doing is very shamful, non-sense, idiotic and lunatic way. Any one want to debate?

Kalanag

Posted by: kalanag at September 23, 2005 1:23 AM

I think we have a troll here. However...

You can win the debate that you are seeking very easily. Go to the Qur'an and the Hadiths and show us where we are wrong. Do not try the "historical context of the Qur'anic verses" argument. The Muslims that I know (I work in Saudi Arabia directly with Saudis) maintain that Islam is the religion "for all times and places". If so, arguing "historical context" is meaningless.

Other points from your post:

"The way Russians and KGB Agents were against us for many different reasons, so be with Al-Queda. "
No, not many reasons, only one. Power. They both had some, and they both wanted more.

"Therefore, many other Human terrorist organizations of the world who are against USA, Britain and Israel other than Islamic, can also work behind the black curtain of Al-Queda ...". Not likely. Terrorist organizations want to advance their own goals. Giving credit to someone else generally does not do that.

"... to obtain Global Domination that we The United States of America and many other European countries has been dreaming for so many years ...". If you want to see a drive for global domination, look at the political ideology that drives Islam.

Waco: Waco was the results of an incompetent operation staged by the same incompetent administration that passed on a chance to capture Osama bin Laden. Waco has no relevance here.

"... debate between Robert Spencer and David R. Griffin ...". Someone else's - anyone else's - conspiracy theories have no relevance here except as they relate to the religious and political ideology of Jihad.

I go back to my first point: using the Islamic texts, show us where we are wrong.

jay

Posted by: jay at September 23, 2005 4:16 AM

"invading our countries"; 'raping our women and children"
In the last 50 years the muslim immigration to Australia increased by 10 times. At the same time the christian population in muslim countries has been declining rapidly. There is no jewish population in any muslim country to speak about. And i am talking about communities who had lived in those countries before muslims even existed.
In Australia a gang of muslim youths were jailed for attacking and raping specifically non muslim girls.
IT IS YOU, MUSLEMS, WHO ARE INVADING OUR COUNTRIES.
IT IS YOU, MUSLEMS, WHO RAPE OUR WOMEN.

Posted by: pong at September 23, 2005 6:23 AM

The abomination is Islam.

And I dont C.A.I.R.

Posted by: dgene at September 23, 2005 10:31 AM

We would like to see "Kalanag" absorb the fact that the so-called religion he thinks he is defending ("Islam")is little more than legalized murder. "Islam" (this so-called 'religion') has taken more than 400,000,000 human lives in its 14 century-long history of brutality, conquest, enslavement, and unending slaughter or 'jihad'.

Doesn't Kalanag remember the teachings in Islam's Qur'an? How about the passage that reads as follows "And when the sacred months have passed, slay the infidels everywhere they are found, besiege them, capture them, set every strategem of warfare upon them, tax them if they convert." Oh yeah---THAT passage in the Qur'an!

This passage could arguably be seen as the nucleus of 'Islam.'

Islam has destroyed at least eight major civilizations and it is at work attempting to destroy everything on earth that is non-Islamic of 'kaffir.'

The facts may be 'idiotic' to our dear friend Kalanag. But they are still the facts.

Unlike Kalanag, WE do not need to resort to name-calling. All any of us has to do is observe and compare notes on what is occurring across the globe...

Posted by: pythagoras at September 23, 2005 1:23 PM

My friend Jay and all of my friends here
Why don't you all say that "God is a Terrorist"? God has killed recently 15 to 20 thousand innocent Americans in New Orleans. And God has been killing innocent humans for decades and centuries. God should be a terrorist right in your eyes?? No or yes my friends???

If you will come out from the Islamist terrorist cell that you are wearing all around you, than you will understand my points. I don't know about any religion - you believe your religion, I believe mine and muslims believe their own, Jewish believe their own. But I do give credits to all muslims no matter what you guys are saying abusive, dirty and filty words against their religion, prophet and their holy book Quran, but none of them has said any bad words against Jesus or Moses or about any Holy books like Turat or Bibil. Yes they do have different opinion but they are not going low, lunatic, idiotic, stupid or saying any non-sense idiology like you guys are saying about Islam. Above all they are not involved in manupilating any Holy Books like you guys are doing here. I do believe what you guys are doing here is all lunatic, idiotic and very illiterate idiology of yours.

Even though, there are lot of filth and social diseases in our western culture you name it: Parents sexually molested their own child, men are getting in wed lock with their own sex and so do women, mother sleep with their daughter's boy friend, Priest having sex with small boys, biological father having sex with his own daughter..... you name any filth and social diseases in western culture and society, but none of the muslims says that Jesus or Moses or Bibil has thought all these non-sense to their followers. I do not want to waste my or your time in this lunatic idiology. All of you may want to keep this lunatic idiology for any fundamentalist muslims.

The meanings of terrorism you guys are talking on this web site is every where in this Whole World my friend. Our Local daily NEWS is full of terrorism of our society - the meaning of terrorism you guys are talking about is a day to day activity of our culture my friends. Rape, murder, killing & robbing of innocent men women and children , gang fighting, looting, stealing, robing, violence is a Part of our American culture and day to day life. Shall I say that all this we Americans are doing because it is Jesus & Bible teaching, if you want I can manupilate it very easily. But I am not like you all.

For pythagoras
You are saying that Islam has destroyed many civilization, you are destroying your own civilization by what you are doing here - blame first your own idiology Pythagoras.

Jay if you are saying that David R. Griffin is fraud and conspiracy theory and has no relevance here why Jay, this is all you have to say since you cannot accept the truth? Ask your Boss Robert to have a little debate with David on this web site and let's find out how wrong he is?.
Let me tell you Mr. Jay I will buy Mr. David's word before I will buy words from people like you. This is not only Griffin but over 100 million americans are saying this. Not only one million Americans but BBC, Hollywood, many europeans journalist are saying that this conspiracy theory is correct.

Let me ask few question if you really have knowledge on the word Terrorism:
1) Mr. Jay can you explain me the exact difination of the Word Terrorism as described in the constitution of the United States of America?

2) Tell me what is Al-Queda? and how difficult it is for a country like USA to link a Terrorist Group to Al-Queda. Also the medical technology that we have today how difficult it is to inject this technology into any human body and completely change it's brain to make him a ticking bomb. There are thousands of Arab and other muslims has been taken to Concentration and torture camps like Abu Graib and many others like that in Israel and many other places and humans has been converted into a ticking bomb using this medical technology and they has been used for many purposes like in 9-11. Beside the fact that any one can justify killings for anything like we do.

3) Tell me if I enter in your home and kill every one in your family your children, wife, parents sister, brothers and destroyed your whole house, what you will do to me? If you will ask me, and if you do this to me, I will kill your generation after generation, I will never never sit quitely until I will kill all your generation and throw you out of my home. I just want to know what you will do??? and I will continue my debate on Terrorism from there
Kalanag

Posted by: kalanag at September 24, 2005 1:42 AM

My friend KKKKKKK

As I mentioned that I do not want any lunatic debate on religion. What ever you believe and have against any religion you keep it to yourself or talk to people who have lunatic knowledge about religion as yours. If you would like to have conversation about Terrorism, I will be glad to talk to you.

First of all you are wrong, there is a whole description of terrorism in US Constitution made by our founding fathers.

What is Jihad?
American Jihad "War on Terror" ?
What we are doing on this Web Site "Jihad"?
Is Terrorism is Jihad itself?
Is US Attack on Iraq is American Jihad and terrorism?
"Jihad" verses "War on Terror" = Joint Jihad?

we all are involved in a JIHAD my friends, therefore Jihad is allowed in any religion not only in Islam. The Jihad we all are going through is called "Modern Jihad" started by no other than "Zionist". Over one hundred millions innocent americans are opening their eyes now. We all are involved in our own version of Jihad. We all are killing human lives in the name of War on Terror called Jihad. None of us are any different.

Now over one hundred millions of innocent Americans are opening their eyes about the facts of modern Jihadis "Zionist" Rober Spencer is one of them.

A professor at North Carolina Wesleyan College in Rocky Mount is defending her course titled, "9/11: The Road to Tyranny," which teaches that the official story of the 9/11 attacks is actually a government cover-up. According to one required text, the attacks were orchestrated and carried out by U-S government elites themselves. Professor Jane Christensen insists, "I teach the truth about 9/11 ... This is a war by the extreme right wing motivated by the Zionists to quash academic freedom and dream for global domination.

Another professor David R. Griffin started his efforts to wake up real Americans against Zionist Jihadis movement by writing a book called "New Pearl Harbour". Robert Spencer creator of this web site is playing his idiotic and lunatic role to support and spread his version of Jihad against Islam and muslims.

According to Carol Valentine: there were no "suicide" pilots on those September 11 jets. The jets were controlled by advanced robotics and remote-control technology, not hijackers
The Northrop Grumman Global Hawk is a robotized American military jet that has a wingspan of a Boeing 737. The excerpts below were taken from an article entitled: "Robot plane flies Pacific unmanned," which appeared in the April 24, 2001 edition of Britain's International Television News :

"The aircraft essentially flies itself, right from takeoff, right through to landing, and even taxiing off the runway," according to the Australian Global Hawk manager Rod Smith. Here is an excerpt from that article:

A robot plane has made aviation history by becoming the first unmanned aircraft to fly across the Pacific Ocean.

The American high-altitude Global Hawk spy plane made flew (sic) across the ocean to Australia, defence officials confirmed.

The Global Hawk, a jet-powered aircraft with a wingspan equivalent to a Boeing 737 flew from Edwards Air Force Base in California and landed late on Monday at the Royal Australian Air Force base at Edinburgh, in South Australia state... [NOTE: two of the aircraft involved in the 911 crashes were Boeing 757s, two were Boeing 767s]

Above are not the statments made by any Fundamentalist Muslim Militants, they are all Americans, British and Australians. I will rather call this web site a conspiracy site than above statements made by my fellow Americans, British and Australians.

We all surely know that the US and its allies would not conspire to attack America! Or do we?

The Army's School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS ) thinks Israel is capable of doing exactly that. On September 10, 2001, The Washington Times ran a front page story which quoted SAMS officers:

"Of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: 'Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.'" ("US troops would enforce peace under Army study," The Washington Times , Sept.. 10, 2001, pg. A1, 9.) Just 24 hours after this story appeared, the Pentagon was hit and the Arabs were being blamed.

These SAMS officers are obviously interested in protecting their country, but not all Americans are. Some are traitors and pay allegiance to Israel. Recall the June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, and American complicity in the attack.

During the Six Day War, the Liberty, an American intelligence gathering ship, was sailing in international waters. Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats attacked it for 75 minutes. Read the story at the USS Liberty Memorial Website, at http://www.USSLiberty.com

The medical technology we have today can make any human a ticking bomb for their purpose. According to a statistics, thousands of Arabs and muslims in Isralis and his allias concentration camps like Abu Graib has been tortured and brainwashed by injecting drugs into their bodies and made them a ticking bombs and used them to kill innocent people all over the world. It is still true that there are many humans who are willing to give their lives for their freedom and justice.

Kalanag

Posted by: kalanag at September 25, 2005 2:45 AM