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Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald wonders why Russia is aiding the global jihad:
In the Russian-funded Boomerang Department, surely what takes the cake is the Russian help extended to Iran's little science project. Does Russia, a country which was once under the Tartar Yoke and which is now filling up with Muslims -- despite having let go of all five Central Asian -Stans in one fell drunken stupor (that of Yeltsin, who when last heard from was at last resting comfortably, still unaware of what he had done) – realize the implications of either an Iranian nuclear capability, or the changing demography of Russia itself? Some of these new Russians are, of course, post-basmachi "Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only" variety, but some, alas, are of the "I'm-rediscovering-real-Islam" kind -- and we know what that means.Take a stroll around Moscow. Go out to Ostankino, to the lesser parts. Go to the markets. Take a guess as to the Muslim population of Russia today, in 2010, in 2020, and in 2030. If you are interested in the fate of Russia, in Russia that even under Communism, note that Russia managed to preserve enough free inquiry to keep science alive, even when art became moribund when the writers who had not gone into exile -- some just in the nick of time (how nice of Gorky to help Khodasevich leave for Paris) -- either were killed (Mandelshtam, Babel) or committed suicide (Esenin in the Hotel Astoria, Tsvetaeva where -- Taganrog? Tarusa? I can't remember), or were threatened or persecuted into silence, or found themselves forced into such safe activities as translation from the Georgian and the Armenian and the Lithuanian, or writing children's books (Ouch--it hurts just to think of, but if you were a kid, from say 2 to 5, ot dvukh do pyati, literary life was good).
Remember also that Russia once seized part of northern Iran. Who knows? Perhaps the Russians will become inspired again to imitate General Yermolov, this time -- unlike in 1946 -- without the Americans stopping them, and perhaps even egging them on. And if the Russians ever get a chance to seize Tsargrad (Constantinople) as they once had wished to -- well, in bocca a lupo, boys, and remember that Alexander was indeed Great, but please don't break the chairs.Are the Russians nuts? What are they doing helping Iran? Do they really think that this will in long run advance their interests? Does the prospect of the islamization of all the sites important to Christianity and the Western world, including the world of Orthodox Slavs, not faze them? Does the reintroduction of dhimmitude in the Holy Land mean nothing to them, or are they overlooking that little matter in their indifference to the fate of the Jewish state? And their meddling in Uzbekistan, just to show that they rule the roost in the near abroad and can thereby give Captain America his well-deserved comeuppance -- does that make sense? Pavel Felgengauer doesn't think so. I don't think so. What more do you need? This constant worrying about American power, this fear and resentment of a supposedly diabolical United States, when the United States government hardly knows where to put its feet and hands and is falling all over itself emptying its pockets to pay jizya in Iraq, in Pakistan, in Egypt, in malevolent-but-smiling-king-faced Jordan, and of course to the newly-hatched "Palestinian people"? This allegedly satanic U.S. also has no idea what to do to wage an ideological campaign – does Russia have any ideas left over from the Basmachi rebellion days that it cares to impart to the Americans, who probably don't yet have set up an anti-Jihad propaganda center, and may never dare to have one?
A whole lot of dumbness going around. A natural alliance that instead becomes -- what, exactly? Russia helps Iran with nuclear know-how, America spends hundreds of billions helping to change the regime, and then to "rebuild" wonderful Iraq. At the moment wonderful Iraqis in newly re-islamized and therefore even more wonderful Basra are demanding an "apology" from the British government and "compensation" for families of those killed or wounded in the British effort to free two of their own men. The British should refuse, should leave, and so, for god's sake, should the big lumbering, free-spending, inarticulate, un-cunning, unsly, devout believer in the "onward march of freedom" and in the assumption that if we only give them everything (creating those "cantons of prosperity" is now all the rhetorical rage in some circles) they will drop their support (what support?) of Al-Qaeda. But they won't drop their support of Islam, and out of Islam comes everything: Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Lashkar-e-Jaungvi, Gemaaa islamiyya -- go ahead and list another ten dozen groups, all over the world. Remember that behind those groups are hundreds of millions of people who believe that the main division, the permanent division in the world is between Believer and Infidel, dar al-Islam and dar al-harb; no amount of Infidel-funded prosperity, of little zones just humming with security and economic activity, will in the slightest diminish the long-term and worldwide threat of Islam -- a threat that everyone and his brother insists on not investigating, not studying, and pretending that if we pretend it isn't there, it won't be.
But it will be. It is. And how.
Posted by Robert at September 22, 2005 11:41 AM
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"At the moment wonderful Iraqis in newly re-islamized and therefore even more wonderful Basra are demanding an "apology" from the British government and "compensation" for families of those killed or wounded in the British effort to free two of their own men."
Everything is wrong:
When a British tank is firebombed by thousands of Iraqis, and the crew and the British don't strike back with everything in their might, (retribution in the face of this aggression seems to be forbidden), the burning soldiers escaping from the tank are reportedly 'lightly' wounded.
But these pictures are shown on 'planet Islam', this is what makes the Mohammedans believe that we are all stupid, that we have no resolve to hit them where it hurts, but instead the audacity, the outrageous claim for 'compensation' , when in fact those brazenly claiming it should be summarily executed just to make it clear that there is some resolve after all.
But no: Jack Straw is everywhere...
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at September 22, 2005 12:55 PM
What Would the Romans Do?
Posted by: Mad_Jack at September 22, 2005 12:58 PM
Robert, thank you once again for articulating so well what many think but have not had the grace, eloquent words and sound logic to express so effectively.
As a conservative Republican, who voted for a president Bush twice, I can say that you have helped change my opinion so completely that I know stand with you one hundred percent concerning a withdrawal from Iraq and the well intentioned but uniformed and misguided mission to bring democracy for Iraq.
We should have the truth about the nature of Islam reach out to everyone who is potentially a victim, in every medium, in every country.
Only by having the truth and a message of solidarity reach out to all in the dar al-harb, can we join together in a united front.
The membership that we must build is of those who want to fight for there culture and freedom.
You words are an excellent expresion of the trurh.
Posted by: thecid at September 22, 2005 2:08 PM
Yes, the Russians ARE nuts.
Isn't that why they embraced the sterile, self-defeating and intellectually dishonest ideology of Communism in the first place?
They have never forgiven the United States for defeating them by dint of the Cold War--which they started.
They are envious of our many successes. And they hold these against us bitterly.
And even though their land may be dying, which it could well be (and of course much of the European continent faces the same fate it would seem), there could very well be a bizarre, malicious impulse to drag us down with them. You know the old expression, 'misery loves company'.
Incidentally, you have avoided any mention of Russia's newfound military alliance with Beijing. This would have provided greater scope for discussion of other related matters which we won't get into at this point.
Posted by: pythagoras at September 22, 2005 8:00 PM
Is Russia Nuts?
No, they are not "nuts", they are cold and calculating. Some think that the Cold War is over. but it is not. It has taken a different
turn as the Russian could not keep up with
our military and economic superiority.
Some say that Arafat was a pawn of Russia and that
Russia is behind Islamic terrorism. Makes sense as Russia was in Iraq even after the War started.
Now they are helping Iran. No one does anything
unless they have a plan. To say they are "nuts"
only means we do not "see" their plan.
at September 22, 2005 9:53 PM
I have tried to figure out the long term objectives of Russia allying with the mad mullahs and still it looks like a bad deal for Russia to me. Muslims always betray their infidel allies, always. Putin, like Bush and Blair, evidently has not read the true history of Islam and its endless jihad. Europe, through the EAD, allied with Arabs and look at how that is now destroying Europe. America is allowing huge numbers of Muslims to migrate to America, and look at the misery they are causing. Demanding prayer rooms, Islamic education in our schools, total corruption of our universities, and on and on, yet no one in Washington speaks up about it even if they are aware.
Posted by: John Sobieski at September 22, 2005 11:38 PM
learjet and US_infidel:
You are doubtless both correct. The Soviets (and Putin genuinely is a Soviet) started courting the theocratic Muslim fascists over half a century ago to extend their own political influence over the world, and, of course, they are also always happy to take payment from anyone who has the bucks or oil to exchange for armaments of any sort, just as much as any Western power has been willing.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 23, 2005 9:16 AM
Of course the Russians are selling stuff to Iran for the money. But they cannot possibly think that what Muslim states -- any Muslim state -- manage to acquire will not be a threat, either from a group or groupuscule if not that state itself -- to Infidels. Russia is closer to Iran than the United States. Soviet troops for a time occupied part of northern Iran after World War II. It is hardly inconceivable that the Islamic Republic of Iran would wish to push the Russian Infidels out of the Caucasus. It was not the Americans who beat Griboyedov to death outside the Russian Embassy in Tehran in 1827 (apparently for interfering to protect Christian women).
But the resentment of the United States is senseless.The United States does not covet any of the land that remains under Russian rule, whether in Siberia, where Chinese are now appearing, or in the Caucasus, where Muslims including those in Iran would like to reverse the conquests of General Yermolov. The United States wishes Russia well, and would be delighted if, for example, the Russians came to their senses, let Khodorkovsky go back to work at Lukos, and energetically producing more and more and more -- energy. Conspiracy-theory, wounded, resentful Russians (it wasn't the United States that forced the Russians to let so many of the former Soviet Republics wander off, but absent-minded Yeltsin and Company), are concentrating on the wrong problem. There is no American threat. There is a shared Muslim threat.
So let's share it.
Posted by: Hugh at September 23, 2005 10:42 AM
Putin was KGB. Once KGB always KGB.
They haven't changed, if they had there
would have been mass trials for the
corruption of the Russian leaders.
They are letting the Muslims do
their dirty work for them.
Two evils working together.
Posted by: learjet0450 at September 23, 2005 7:46 PM
I worked in Russia for 2 years before coming back to the U.K., have a Russian wife and I don't think the average Russian hates the U.S. or any other western country, except perhaps Germany as there's a lot of bad feeling due to WW2. There may have been a Cold War, but our grandparents didn't actually kill their grandparents. Russians in general are very interested in and envious of the west. There's probably a bit of rivalry with the U.S., especially as they are well aware they came out on the losing side of the Cold War in all ways. None of my British or American colleagues there had any hostility due to their nationality (though as an all -white society, non-whites can be in for a rough time.)
They don't like Muslims, as they have a lot of problems with the Chechens eg Beslan. The Chechens have always been involved in crime - even during the Soviet Union. You'll never find a good Muslim Chechen running a normal business - it's always something like prostitution, drugs, extortion or weapons smuggling. It's just the way they are!
Unfortunately, greed and short-term thinking leads to them doing deals with unpleasant regimes.
at September 23, 2005 7:49 PM
Peter.
That's very interesting. I've been living close to you for six years now, and I agree with everything you said.
Strange that the "press" and elites in general ignore this "normal coming-together stuff". Perhaps we prolitariat can't understand complex issues?
Perhaps one should ignore the outsiders for a moment and take a careful look at those amongst our own who would wish to convince us?
Just a thought.
at September 24, 2005 10:03 AM
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