There are way too many Muslim inciters roosting in Western nations. They delight in being malevolent wise guys, that they can get way with their activity due to our free speech laws. Sedition is another matter and Jihadist preachers-propagandists are about to find out in Australia. Other nations need to do the same.

Jihadists use our Democratic traditions against us. They never seem to lack for the best legal talent when hauled into court (USA)

Posted by: dennisw at September 27, 2005 4:51 AM

Hizb-Ut-Tahrir, an organization most vehemently opposed to these new laws, is already outlawed in Germany and some other places. Check them out on the net, learn about what they have in store for us once the takeover is complete.

Their mission statement should be enough to land their members in jail for sedition, treason and incitement.

Why don't we just roast 'em while we're at it?

They openly declare war on infidels and Jews, they make no beef about wanting to introduce the Caliphate and Sharia, they are right in your face about 'manmade' laws which they cannot respect, they insist on forcing Sharia on us and at the same time we keep them coming, allow them to spread their poison among us, give them welfare, healthcare and god knows what, only to see them stab us, rape us, rob us, etc. etc.

continue writing the rest yourself...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 27, 2005 5:13 AM

This should be interesting.Muslims aren't used to being silenced.

Posted by: epg at September 27, 2005 6:42 AM

Sedition is criminal speech that has been a crime in the US since the founding of the country. You can be put in prison for life for sedition in the US.Interesting how only Muslims are complaining about the new sedition and incitement laws.

Posted by: Roxane at September 27, 2005 8:26 AM

Very Awsome!!!

Now if we could only get something like this passed in the US... Does anyone think that ANY members of congress have the balls to stand up and be counted by sponsoring and promoting a bill such as this. Prospective presidential candidates take note! This would get you on every news show in the country and when the next terrorist attack occurs you would be seen as truly clairvoyant!

Posted by: Cappy at September 27, 2005 10:17 AM

Keysar Trad, president of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, clearly doesn't think we are all in this together.

Mr Trad, who I beleive has been referred to on this site previously, has - not surprisingly - condemned the new laws.

He is quoted as saying that "[T]hese laws will be unfair and could lead to the creation of a fascist state," he said.

I understand that he did not elaborate on precisely how these laws would lead to such a startling transformation of Australian political and legal life.

In a previous incarnation, the jolly Mr Trad was spokesman for the Australian Lebanese Muslim Asociation, as well as shaking it for the Mufti when he was finished.

Seems he has gone up in the world.

Posted by: Anthony at September 27, 2005 10:48 AM

Every true muslim is and has to be "law abiding" provided law is Shariat. It is axiomatic that no true muslim has any stake for any law made by the Kafirs.

Posted by: iqbal at September 27, 2005 11:13 AM

Cappy,

I guess you missed the conviction and life sentence for Ali Al-Aimimi handed down about two months ago. Among other things he was convicted of "soliciting treason", "soliciting others to wage war against the United States" and "soliciting the use of weapons and explosives". These were all speech crimes that resulted from a speech Al-Timimi gave after 9/11 urging Muslims to fight for the Taliban and kill Americans.The "weapons and explosives" charge was mandated by Congress, is terrorism related and carries a life sentence.

Posted by: Roxane at September 27, 2005 4:07 PM

I can't wait when similar laws will be introduced in the UK. Hizb ut-Tahrir is obviously feeling at home here, though it's said to have been banned after the 7/7. I personally know some people in my uni who are members of Hizb ut-Tahrir and who preach openly during every break between classes.

Posted by: FreeFalcon at September 27, 2005 11:34 PM

I have been engaged in a series of letters with a front bencher in the Howard government. Often I get replies back about the joys of multi-culturalism; Muslims are peaceful and productive members of society - its only a few extremists etc. This is my latest letter, and I would welcome any feedback, plus I would encourage other Aussie's to write in also. I have deleted names, both mine and the politician. The XXX is the politician who belongs to the Liberal Party.

Dear XXX

Thank you for your letter dated 21st September 2005. I know you are a busy man, and your letter was an in-depth reply.

But you didn’t address some of the issues I raised, such as:

1. It was reported in the media that Sultan Dean, a member of the Liberal party made some very anti-Semitic remarks regarding Jews and September 11 at the Muslim Summit hosted by the Prime Minister. As the Sultan is a branch member of the Liberal party (I think a branch President) does the Liberal Party agree with these inflammatory remarks? Does the Liberal party agree with the Sultan that 9/11 was done by Jews?
2. You quoted section 116 of constitution about the Commonwealth being prevented in making laws to establish a religion etc. As a member of Parliament you would know that nowhere in the drafters minds that they envisaged Muslim immigration. That was obvious by our immigration policy at the time. That section was written when the drafter’s only envisaged traditional Western religions, that is various forms of Christianity.
3. I don’t disagree with you regarding the fact that many peaceful Muslims live here in Australia. But what they believe in is not the Australian way (as you seem to think it is by way of your letter to me). For instance they recently made a call in Canada, as they have done in Western Australia, to introduce Sharia Law. Is Sharia Law the Australian way? Would Islamic Law guarantee those Australian freedoms you spoke about in your letter? Would you want your own kids living under Sharia? I don’t have a problem with Muslims, just their pedophile prophet and the odd 110 generic war verses in the Koran (don’t start me on the Hadith, their other “holy” books) commanding them to kill infidels and work towards Sharia. There are two types of Muslims XXX - one is the “evolutionary” Muslim who is happy to use the birth rate, oil money, immigration and the democratic system to attain power. Then there are “revolutionary” ones like Bin Laden. Ultimately they want the same thing, Sharia. Then you can kiss all your democratic freedoms goodbye, and our children will be living in an Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc. When will the government realise that Islam is not just a religion, but a political and economic force as well. Islam has no separation of religion and state. Ghandi said something along the lines of, “anyone who says that you can’t mix religion and politics, doesn’t understand politics”. You say Muslim leaders “condemned” the actions of the London bombers. Did they really? They went kicking and screaming, dragging their heals. Besides this is what they say in English, like the Mufti of Australia, they praise the suicide bombers in Arabic. Oh, are these the same Muslim leaders who elected the Grand Mufti of Australia who said such things whilst overseas? XXX the Koran states that a Muslim can lie to an infidel, especially if they fear persecution. If you want the verse I will get it for you (just in case any of your Muslim buddies/advisers debate it).
4. These same Muslims you call peaceful and productive follow the ways of Mohammed, a war lord who had sex with girls as young as nine (as recorded in their own teachings). As I asked before, will we accommodate this Islamic custom to fit in with our “multi-culturalism’? What about the Islamic practice of forced marriage? Having four wives? Having female circumcision? The stoning of homosexuals and adulterers (women usually)? What about the Islamic practice of “temporary wives”? What about the Islamic practice of paying the “protection tax”, where if you are an infidel you pay your Muslim superiors so they won’t attack you? (the “Jizya”, still practiced in the majority of Muslim countries where unfortunate infidels have managed to resist forced conversion)

5. I could believe what you say if it was backed up with fact, which it is not. Is it not a fact that Muslim youths in Sydney make up a large proportion of the crime statistics? Is it not a fact that the Islamic community tolerated a bookstore/s in Melbourne and Sydney that sold books preaching true Jihad against infidels? Is it not true that Muslims tolerate Mufti’s who preach hate? Take Sultan Deans comments for instance about 9/11 as reported on the media. Is it not fact that Muslim men often rape our women because as one Sydney (Australian born) mufti said, “They deserve it because of the way they dress” (Sun Herald)– in other words they are not wearing a Burka. Where were the mass protests to the size of those against the Iraq war when around 80 Aussie’s were blasted to bits in Bali? Their blood is not only on the hands of the Muslims who did this, but the politicians who refuse to admit the truth of what Islam is. Where were the protests when Beslan happened or when London bombers struck? They have the energy to protest the Iraq war, what about these events? Their silence speaks volumes. Where were the arrests when Muslims danced in the street as the twin towers fell? Do they support Australian values? XXX , just what exactly have Muslims contributed to Australia, apart from keeping the Police and SAS busy, and the government spending millions to keep an eye on them? I realise you can’t say much as these people now vote for you. But I really wish we had a Churchill rather than politically correct politicians who believe whatever the academics and Muslims tell them. Is there not one politician with the balls to speak the truth about Islam?
6. If Islam is so peaceful XXX, why are the Muslims so worried about the anti- terrorist laws you have brought in? The Hindu’s aren’t worried? The Buddhist aren’t worried? The “evil” Baptist Christians aren’t worried! Just the quickly growing minority Muslims (so you must have it right here! But tell me XXX, just what is “terrorism”? After all one man’s terrorist in this “multi cultural” society is another mans “freedom fighter”)
7. If Islam is so peaceful, why did it invade France around the 700’sAD (they were defeated by Charles Martel). Why did it invade and conquer Spain for 800 years, long before the crusades happened? Why did it conquer Israel? Why did it invade the Balkans (where the trouble still exists)? Why did it invade Iran/Persia? Muslim Iran, which is today full of “peaceful” Muslims, is leading the way towards nuclear holocaust. Why did Islam murder millions of Hindu’s as it invaded India? Why do Muslims still take black infidel Africans as slaves in countries such as the Sudan, Nigeria etc? Why did Islam invade Africa? My mother in law can remember people being forced to convert at the end of a ‘sword’, and the government is happy to tolerate this ideology?
8. Why is there not one democratic Islamic country? Even though there are over 50 Islamic countries? Turkey and Indonesia have horrible human rights records. Iraq and Afghanistan will revert to Islamic hell holes once the US pulls out. The liberal European Union doesn’t want Turkey, even though it is full of “peace loving” Muslims. As I write this letter, three Christian Sunday school teachers are spending 3 years in jail. Their crime? Having Muslim kids in their Christian class, with their parents permission. These Christian’s get three years, Bashir gets 3 months. XXX, is this the system you want you kids to live under? Australia needs leadership on this issue, not Whitlam like Multi-cultural double speak.
9. Muslims who say they have loyalty to Australia are going against the Koran. The Koran clearly teaches that all infidels (that’s me and you XXX and our families) belong to the Dar Al Harb, in English, the “House of War”. All Muslims are in Dar Al Islam, the house of Peace. The House of peace cannot rest until the House of War is “finished” with. In fact the Koran states that a Muslim “cannot befriend a Jew or Christian for they are the people of the Book”. This fits in with Australian values how?

Maybe you cannot speak freely on the issue, or as a leader you don’t have the guts like Theo Van Gough or Pym Fortyn in Holland, who were killed by “Dutch” Muslims. Maybe you truly believe that Islam can exist peacefully in this country, despite historical fact that says otherwise, since Mohammed’s first Islamic conquest to modern times in the Balkan’s, Russia, China, Africa, The Philippines, East Timor, The Middle East, The London Bombings, 9/11 etc.

Maybe you know the truth, yet the time is not right to publicly speak it. But if you truly believe Islam is peaceful and fits in with Aussie values, with all respect XXX, get one of the women of your household to walk down some Sydney Islamic suburbs in an all Australian swimsuit. I know you wouldn’t, because deep down you know that the Islam is Peace line is all BS!

I respect the fact that you responded to my previous letter. But to follow the “Islam is Peace” line, is to ultimately bring civil war to our kids future. Islam has led to bloodshed in every country it has infested.

I hope and pray one day, that Australia’s leaders actually wake up, before it’s to late for our kids. The book “Politically Incorrect Guide (PIG) to Islam” by Robert Spencer (a VERY qualified US academic), which has spent the last four weeks on the New York Times best seller list, should be compulsory reading for all real, Aussie politicians. Please get this book. Read it, then make your statements (its on Amazon.com).

Yours faithfully

Concerned citizen

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at September 28, 2005 3:01 AM

3rdtimelucky.

I can help you with one thing. The "Sultan" in "Sultan Deen" is simply a name, not a title.

Therefore, at line 3 of the first point you raise with the honourable the member, your reference to "the Sultan" is incorrect.

It would be more accurate to describe the piece of shit merely as "Mr Deen".

Posted by: Anthony at September 28, 2005 10:53 AM

Thanks Anthony!

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at September 29, 2005 6:46 PM