This is insane, in what way does a country virtually rolling in oil money, need aid from the USA?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 27, 2005 6:17 PM

I agree with Carolyn. Why would we be giving these rats one red American cent.

Posted by: DCWatson at September 27, 2005 6:25 PM

Preposterous & Outrageous! This must be the twilight zone!

Posted by: miira at September 27, 2005 6:42 PM

I am reading the book
Infiltration by Paul Sperry.

This is insanse !!!!

Doesnt anyone in washington realize
Islam isnt here to be just another religion..
But to become DOMINANT!!!

Dont they get it???

Posted by: jingoist at September 27, 2005 6:43 PM

Lets get naked and hate Bush:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=55773165&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=55773134&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=55773003&cdi=0

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 27, 2005 7:13 PM

Miss Poisonality 1929. I was wondering what she's been into all these years later.

Sheik yer Granni.

Posted by: sonofwalker at September 27, 2005 7:23 PM

Some move on, some remain stuck in the sixties, some are permanently stuck on stupid:

http://www.zombietime.com/breasts_not_bombs/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 27, 2005 7:42 PM

Those womyn ↑ need to look in the mirror sometime and then put it on. It also strikes me as funny that these same females would suffer real hurt if their favorite causes came into being (aka sharia)

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 27, 2005 7:54 PM

In a better world we'd drop them on Mecca.

Posted by: sonofwalker at September 27, 2005 7:56 PM

And someone expected (W)ahabbster to not support his masters?

(W)ahabbster is a terrorist every bit as much as his saudi masters. (W)ahabbster is death for Jews and death for Americans.

Your taxes are paying the very arab, muslim terrorists who brought you 9/11 and are killing American soldiers in Iraq.

That nuke is coming people. You've earned it. You are living on borrowed time.

Posted by: Itai at September 27, 2005 10:55 PM

I have voted for Bush twice...
I wouldn`t vote for a democrat at gun point...
But i must say that now,i have my doubts about Bush and about republicans,in general.
Bush called the minutemen "vigilantes"
Bush called islam the "religion of peace".
Bush wants the borders wide open,he just pledged 50 + million dollars for the palestinian terrorists,he wants Israel to surrender to islam,he pledged 15 billion dollars to Africa to combat AIDS (one could not combat AIDS in Africa even if he donated 150 trillion dollars to that hell hole),and now this about the Saudi...

Posted by: adela at September 27, 2005 11:17 PM

Let's see - America is running a $500 billion + DEFICIT, Saudi Arabia is flush with $60 + barrel oil that cost them only a few dollars to extract, and NOW we are giving them money. Bush has left the rails and is now flying in the clouds.

Posted by: John Sobieski at September 28, 2005 1:06 AM

Isn't it interesting?
Not a peep out of the MSM on issues like this and $50B Foreign aid to palestine right after Katrina. They continue to flog the dead horses of Abu Graibe and claim the New Orleans debacle was due to racism. I can't help but wonder how many 9/11's is it going to take?

Posted by: kevin at September 28, 2005 1:11 AM

Certified? Try certifiable.

Posted by: kevin at September 28, 2005 1:14 AM

Our brave Lads and Lasses are fighting and winning in Iraq and Afghanistan. (so what if they revert, we have certainly de-toothed those lions). What few allies we do have in the troubled regions (Israel, Thailand) we are leaving out to hang, Our supposed allies (France, Germany) Leaving us out to hang.... and our supposed friends (KSA and Pakistan) are selling us rope... They just dont realize that we will all hang from the same tree of Islam if we dont get our "acts" together.

Posted by: Sharku at September 28, 2005 2:18 AM

Unbelievable! Incroyable! Unglaublich! Incredibile! Anghredadwy! La Yusdaaq!

Why does the Administration wonder why Al Qaeda has got it in for the US, I wonder?

This is just further proof, if further proof were needed, that Bush and the Saudi royal family are just great bedfellows!

As Carolyn said: "This is insane, in what way does a country virtually rolling in oil money, need aid from the USA?

Shame on you, Bush! Fancy spending the Americans' taxdollars in this despicable fashion! Tut! Tut! Tut!

To think I used to be a fan of yours once!

Posted by: Mark at September 28, 2005 5:55 AM

The Saudi lying liars, these supporters of unspeakable Sharia and the fortified mosques of America, haters of Israel and the West,

Now given a place at the table !

Surely the country has gone mad.

Posted by: dgene at September 28, 2005 8:31 AM

US bloggers:

I hope you are all going to right your congressional reps re: this absolute travesty.

KSA's contribution to front-line terror around the globe notwithstanding, what need have the Saudis of foreign aid when the few thousand "nobles" live in luxury and spend billions upon billions around the world to build mosques and madrassas while the HDI of the country is less than half of that in the "occupied territories" during Intifada II?

Yes, KSA has poverty and debt, but why? Not because it isn't raking in record amounts of petrodollars because of a terrorist war it is funding in Iraq to keep it unstable.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 28, 2005 9:24 AM

Sheik Yer Mami,

Those photo-links you posted were nauseating and may have scarred me for life.

Political speech is one thing, but a woman should at least have to register as a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10 before she's allowed to bare her breasts publicly.

Posted by: Cornelius at September 28, 2005 9:24 AM

What idiocy. With billions of petrodollars flowing into their bank accounts, why on earth would they need financial aid from the United States? Of course they don't need it, this is the jizya in disguise!

Posted by: epg at September 28, 2005 10:01 AM

I guess this is what it feels like to be "sold down the river" by one's own government. The more we persist in placating these people, the more we will sink into dhimmitude. And public relations gigs with the likes of Karen Hughes will not cut it. Apparently, her talk to Saudi women did not go well (see SF Chronicle link), so rather than wasting out time and money on enlightening the Muslim masses through speeches and diplomacy and public relations junkets, we should concentrate on the ideological threat we face through every means we have, including the use of real force for a change.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/09/28/MNG0OEV1191.DTL

Posted by: Saxonman at September 28, 2005 11:56 AM

epg:

They need aid dollars to trickle a bit of largesse on the masses, so their own monies are freed up to fund jihad as a charitable work. After all, there are no virgins in heaven promised to those who concern themselves with the welfare of the sick, poor, illiterate, mentally ill, etc..

Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 28, 2005 12:32 PM

How much of this US tax payer-financed aid will come back to the US in the form of new Islamic information centers, increased subsidies for Muslim migration to the West and support for Muslim advocacy and lobby groups?

The reason everybody on this page sounds upset is that you just aren't looking on the bright side of things. Maybe "W" figures that a lot of that money will go into US disaster relief, provided that the victims are Muslim.

Posted by: Chatillon at September 28, 2005 2:02 PM

Saxonman:

The article about Saudi women is very interesting, though not surprising. First of all, they would be unlikely to let the side down by complaining to Karen Hughes, a rank outsider; secondly, Karen Hughes went to Saudi with false and perhaps naïve assumptions in the first place; namely that all people in the world want to live like Americans/Westerners. It is simply not true. Such arrogance!

It is this sort of arrogance which annoys the hell out of these people. Bush and his entourage assume that everyone wants to live like we do. This is a false assumption.

This is one reason why trying to bring democracy to the Middle East is a nonsense. Bush (and Blair) would be far better off they concentrated on home affairs and home security instead of wasting billions of dollars to try and achieve the impossible. Politics is, after all is said and done, the art of the possible. Bush and Blair have managed to turn it into the art of the impossible!

Apropos of Saudi women wanting to, or not wanting to, drive and work like Western women, I have this to say...

I always remember having an in depth discussion once with a Saudi who had received a better than average education. We talked about the merits (and demerits, from his perspective) of giving women more freedom. He told me something like this:

...Women in your country are free to work, yes; but what kind of freedom is that? Many of them work in shops and factories. Is this what you call the pinnacle of freedom? Our Saudi women do not have to go out and slave in shops and factories, since we Saudi men look after them, and care for all their needs. I doubt, he added, that many Saudi women would want the kind of freedom you speak of.

Then I said: But many women become doctors and attorneys-at-law. He said: Yes, but how many? Only the privileged few! And in any case, even here in Saudi Arabia, the privileged few can achieve that, too.

It was certainly food for thought!

(The words, of course, are not exact. I am reporting from memory.)

Posted by: Mark at September 28, 2005 2:02 PM

Sheik yer'mami,

The Berkeley anti-war protesters with their "Breasts not Bombs" placards don't deserve all the ridicule that they have been getting here. I think these folks just may have hit upon a clever solution to solve the problem of Islamic jihad, something which none of the myriad think tanks in America could have ever thought of. Think about it! Let's send waves and waves of these protestors with their pendulous protuberances all across the Arab world. I'm sure even the most hardened throat-cutting jehadist would run for cover under such an onslaught. Better still how about these protestors carry slogans like "Allah has 72 virgins like us ordained for you if you join our jihad". I'm sure we would see a complete turn about in the jehadist producing factories of the Arab world. "Breasts not Bombs" may really be the most innovative idea ever to have come from Berkeley.

Posted by: Razdan at September 28, 2005 2:13 PM

I guess that's what happens when you are photographed walking along holding hands with Prince (now King) Abdullah.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushabdullahhands.htm

Posted by: johnb at September 28, 2005 3:28 PM

JohnB:

Don't they look sooo cute? Sooo sweet? I'm sooo jealous!!! :-)

Posted by: Mark at September 28, 2005 3:46 PM

I too would like to 'certify' Saudi Arabia --as a 'certified' TERRORISM SPONSOR!

Posted by: pythagoras at September 28, 2005 10:51 PM

I find it hard to believe that Bush could cozy up to the Saudis as he does. He is shameless; especially in view of what they did to the US on 9/11! And what they continue to do to the US and the West by continuing to sponsor terror, build mosques, madrassahs, and propagation centres for Islam. Bush needs his head read!

Can there be a war in history in which the enemy was embraced and kissed and sweet-talked and cozied up to like this one? If anyone knows of an an example of this happening before, please inform us all. It would be fascinating to learn about it.

Posted by: Mark at September 29, 2005 5:16 AM

I get glassy-eyed when I read attempts to delegitimize the Palestinians as a people; it is the mirror-image of the Muslim attempt to delegitimize Israel.

Yes, Jews have an undeniable historic presence in Palestine. Yes the Jews were responsible for the "flowering" of the desert. Yes, much land passed contractually from Ottoman to Jewish hands in the 19th and early 20th century. Yes, the Arab world bears overwhelming responsibility for the conflict in the Middle-East by a) rejecting the UN partition b) attacking the nascent Jewish state c) after battlefield defeat, refusing to recognize realities on the ground (Israel's existence) d) the rabid incitement against Israel and Jews by state-controlled media...and e) waging a campaign of terrorism against Israel.

But whatever one wants to call the Muslim inhabitants currently living inside of the former British Mandate, be they "Arabs", "Palestinians", whatever...THEY EXIST, between 4 and 5 million of them. At least 3 million live in what is referred to as "disputed" or "occupied" territory (Gaza and the West Bank). Like any people on the planet, these people want to govern their own lives. They too have historic links to the land. Some refugee families in Lebanon have Ottoman-era land deeds for property inside Israel proper.

We have to reconcile ourselves to a solution to this conflict or there will be war in perpetuity (or at least until Jews become a minority in their own country sometime later in this century). Those of you opposed to any diplomatic solutions and territorial compromise have no vision beyond continued stalemate.

I acknowledge that the PA is the quintessential 'failed state' where gunmen rule the streets and the government is a kleptocracy. This is why the international community must assert itself; how can Israel make peace with a regime that cannot (or will not) honor its commitments?

But we must pursue the chance for peace. The issues may seem intractable, but human ingenuity is capable of great things, even when hamstrung by ancient hatreds and religious fanaticism.

I personally feel that 'the Right of Return' can be resolved by turning over to refugees with verifiable land deeds the vacated properties of West Bank settlers (there should be no accepting of refugees into Israel proper, not even a token amount).

Territorial compromise is a tougher nut. Israel's coastal plain is an inviting target for artillery attack from the commanding heights of what would be the vacated West Bank. I think the only real solution is a prolonged international presence on the West Bank to prevent conflict...not another impotent entity like UNIFL, but a beefy force prepared to interdict the acquisition of heavy weaponry into the new Palestinian State and violently suppress those groups trying to attack Israel with morters and rockets.

Palestinians will invariably exhibit unhappiness and impatience with their quasi-independence, but they would be forced to vent their frustrations on UN forces instead of Israel.

I'm sure I'll take heat for this post (I've locked horns with Madzionist before on another website). None of what I'm suggesting is etched in stone. I'm just throwing out ideas...trying to shake things up.

All I'm certain about is that the "Palestinians" (or whatever one prefers to call them) exist...and the circumstances of their existence - both those imposed from occupation and those that are self-inflicted - are akin to an inflamed boil on the buttocks of mankind.

It's time for a lancing.

Posted by: Cornelius at September 29, 2005 10:54 PM

The Saudi family have been long time allies of ours in the region. They still hold considerable influence in the region and they are enemies of al-Qaeda. Yes, they stabbed us in the back. They were caught. We like to point out that they don't need the money and complain when we do clear the way to give them more money...or is it aid? They are going to need help fighting al-Qaeda. We are the only ones that can provide that help...what would happen in the Arab world in al-Qaeda suddenly seized control in Medina and Mecca the way Muqtada al-Sadr tried to seize upon Najaf?

As far as sending women to Saudi Arabia goes, to be fooloish enough to believe that the US does not have a protocol liason. We know full well what their beliefs are...and if they insist on imposing their Muslim view then we must insist they accept our view of the equality of women...hence Condolezza Rice and Karen Hughes...

We should at least try to remember what the long-term goals are for the region and look at these isolated events in realtion to "the BIG PICTURE"...and realize that it is going to take some poltical posturing on our part to achieve our aims.

Aid to the Saudis is an olive branch, one that we will ask is returned the next time the Saudis attend an OPEC meeting...

Posted by: Khepri at October 2, 2005 11:52 AM

I voted for Bush twice, but when I saw him brag about how he intended to spend all that political clout he’d been given last time around, with that smirk and bounce in his step, I started to get a wee bit nervous. – My first thought was, here’s a rich powerful Oilman with a glee and it’s obvious that the power is starting to go to his head.

However, I really wasn’t even close to suspecting his treachery until I began to see just how little effort he was putting into protecting our borders from Illegal criminals, even so far as to undermine the pitiful efforts of Congress, where as on the other side of the coin, just how much effort and Good American lives he was investing & sacrificing in Protecting the borders of Iraq & Afghanistan.

Likewise, is it any wonder why he was fawning all over the Saudi king (bush must've smooched his majesty all over for the huge dividends bush's oil stock was paying off with the price of oil these days), like a gleeful little girl on her way to her first Prom.

Still, it wasn’t until After seeing the whole fiasco of homeland security, especially in the Airports where any group of Arabs in crowds of 2 or more, are not allowed to be patted down or personally inspected, like everyone else, in order to avoid racial profiling, that I decided that this man is nothing short of a greedy wimp at best, and an out right Traitor at worst.

I now feel we were all hoodwinked, and this man (Bush) should be impeached before he can finish his plans of selling this nation out to the highest bidders, much less do anymore damage.

We should all get busy writing our Elected Representatives and Senators demanding that very same thing, just to make sure we leave GW the Legacy of being remembered forever, that he’s always wanted, though not exactly in the same light he thought to buy himself into.

Posted by: Pantherus at October 2, 2005 11:02 PM