OU President David Boren said Hinrichs was a student "who had very, serious personal problems that led to this tragic death." From http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46629
Won't it be interesting if his "very, serious personal problems" are found to be that he converted to Islam and read the Quran daily? Or maybe the thought of no pizza, beer or junk food during Ramadan was too depressing to live with. Since he only blew himself up and didn't take anybody with him, I guess that means no virgins in paradise for him. Too bad.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at October 4, 2005 8:29 AM

Another local nutbar decides to become an explodedope for Allah.

God I love it when one of these dopes kill themselves without hurting others in the process.

Posted by: dgene at October 4, 2005 8:40 AM

I found this linked to on a couple of blogs.

Interesting beard.

...and on the front page of that site it lables the photo as being of Joel Henry Hinrichs III but that is the only photo that I have seen of him.

Posted by: John Morgan at October 4, 2005 8:59 AM

Ya'll people are all brainwashed by the western media. And the arab people are brainwaished with the islamic propaganda. I just find it so sad that people don't read and try to find out what the real issue is. The fact is that the western governments attacks the arab countries all the time. But the arabic governments don't have the power to retaliate and that's why individual persons take action. They are tired of seeing they're countries beeing bombed and their people being killed and at the same time blamed for it. 3000 people died in the attack of 9/11, still nobody knows who actually was behind it.
1 million people have died in iraq and "a couple more" in afghanistan. Can you see the diffrence? Who is the bad guy here? America attacked Afghanistan because of Osama Bin Laden, the funny thing is that he is not an afghani he comes from Saudi Arabia? Justify that? Second, the afghani government was willing to give Osama Bin laden to the American Government if they just showed some proof in return that it actually was him who "planned" the 9-11 attack, but due to "Natinal Security" they were not willing to supply the Afghani government with proof. How can you expect someone to "give waway" a person for a crime you can not "show" any proof of? That's insane. And did they kill Osama by bombing Afghanistan? Hell No but they sure did kill a lot of innocent people. And by the way the American Government got what they wanted from that country after overthrowing it and installing their own guy as the leader, which was a pipe line. that's what it all was about and nothing else. Plus opium production have increased with 900% after the invasion of american forces? What a wonderful democratic government you have! They really portray the picture of Peace in a fabolous way!

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 9:15 AM

Cyrus-
Get some new information sources. Yours are lousy, to put it in polite terms.

Opium farmers sell daughters to cover debts to traffickers

By Justin Huggler in Laghman, Afghanistan
Published: 03 October 2005
Afghan farmers prevented from growing poppies under a British-led eradication programme have been forced to hand over their daughters to drug traffickers to settle their debts, according to reports from Afghanistan.

The claim is the latest in a series to dog the British effort to curb Afghanistan's opium industry.

Opium dominates Afghanistan's economy, accounting for 60 per cent of its income. Critics say the country is turning into a narco-state under the noses of Nato peacekeeping forces, and of the Western governments involved in reconstruction.

The latest claims come from Nangahar province, which has been held up by the British, put in charge of the fight against opium in Afghanistan, as their biggest success. Opium cultivation fell by 96 per cent there this year, part of a 21 per cent fall nationwide.

But farmers are now coming forward to say that the forced loss of their poppy crop has left them unable to repay debts to drug traffickers who lent them money to buy the seeds.

In desperation, they have had to turn to a traditional Afghan practice in which a family can pay off its debt by handing over a daughter to a relative of the creditor. Usually, there is a marriage ceremony for the sake of propriety - but the woman is treated as property.

The problem is familiar to Mohamed Hanif Isamuddin from Laghman province, next to Nangahar. He has given up his poppy crop under pressure from the authorities. For one acre of poppies he can make 150,000 Afghanis (£2,000). If he sows the same acre with wheat, he makes only 6,000 Afghanis.

Mr Isamuddin, 68, says that when the local authorities first started pressuring the farmers to stop growing poppies, the Westerners promised to help them grow alternative crops by providing them with free seed, but they got nothing.

Mr Isamuddin gave up growing poppies of his own volition when he heard that the government was going to clamp down. But further up the valley, he says, helicopters sprayed the poppy fields with insecticide.

The British, put in charge of the effort to curb the opium trade, say there has been no spraying. Although the Americans proposed spraying poppy fields, it was rejected because of opposition from the Afghan government.

"The government is doing the right thing," said Mr Isamuddin. "According to our religion, opium is prohibited. But if you have to feed your family, you do what you have to do.

"If people here cannot earn enough to feed their families, they will start growing opium again." Although he has not had to take measures as drastic as some farmers in neighbouring Nangahar, his son has had to leave home and go to Iran to find work.

At least Mr Isamuddin's son left voluntarily. Richard Danziger, of the International Organisation for Migrants, says that when poppy farmers in northern Afghanistan have a good crop it means they do not have to sell their children.

In Afghanistan's barren landscape, no other crop brings a return close to that of opium.

A French think-tank called last week for the legal cultivation of opium in Afghanistan. The Senlis Council pointed out the irony that, while Afghanistan today provides 87 per cent of the world's illegal opium, legal opium-based medicines are in short supply in Afghanistan and all over the developing world.

A handful of countries, including Australia, India and Turkey, grow opium legally for use in medicine under licences granted by the United Nations.

But drug companies have resisted the production of cheap versions of their opium-based medicine, according to Jorrit Kamminga of the Senlis Council.

The group's proposal was that legally grown opium in Afghanistan could satisfy its domestic medical need, and might even allow it to export opium for medicinal use. But the proposal was rejected by the Afghan government after being rubbished by the US and by the UN Office for Drug Control.

The Afghan government said it could not put in place safeguards to ensure legally grown opium was not channelled into the black market.

Afghan farmers prevented from growing poppies under a British-led eradication programme have been forced to hand over their daughters to drug traffickers to settle their debts, according to reports from Afghanistan.

The claim is the latest in a series to dog the British effort to curb Afghanistan's opium industry.

Opium dominates Afghanistan's economy, accounting for 60 per cent of its income. Critics say the country is turning into a narco-state under the noses of Nato peacekeeping forces, and of the Western governments involved in reconstruction.

The latest claims come from Nangahar province, which has been held up by the British, put in charge of the fight against opium in Afghanistan, as their biggest success. Opium cultivation fell by 96 per cent there this year, part of a 21 per cent fall nationwide.

But farmers are now coming forward to say that the forced loss of their poppy crop has left them unable to repay debts to drug traffickers who lent them money to buy the seeds.

In desperation, they have had to turn to a traditional Afghan practice in which a family can pay off its debt by handing over a daughter to a relative of the creditor. Usually, there is a marriage ceremony for the sake of propriety - but the woman is treated as property.

The problem is familiar to Mohamed Hanif Isamuddin from Laghman province, next to Nangahar. He has given up his poppy crop under pressure from the authorities. For one acre of poppies he can make 150,000 Afghanis (£2,000). If he sows the same acre with wheat, he makes only 6,000 Afghanis.

Mr Isamuddin, 68, says that when the local authorities first started pressuring the farmers to stop growing poppies, the Westerners promised to help them grow alternative crops by providing them with free seed, but they got nothing.

Mr Isamuddin gave up growing poppies of his own volition when he heard that the government was going to clamp down. But further up the valley, he says, helicopters sprayed the poppy fields with insecticide.

The British, put in charge of the effort to curb the opium trade, say there has been no spraying. Although the Americans proposed spraying poppy fields, it was rejected because of opposition from the Afghan government.
"The government is doing the right thing," said Mr Isamuddin. "According to our religion, opium is prohibited. But if you have to feed your family, you do what you have to do.

"If people here cannot earn enough to feed their families, they will start growing opium again." Although he has not had to take measures as drastic as some farmers in neighbouring Nangahar, his son has had to leave home and go to Iran to find work.

At least Mr Isamuddin's son left voluntarily. Richard Danziger, of the International Organisation for Migrants, says that when poppy farmers in northern Afghanistan have a good crop it means they do not have to sell their children.

In Afghanistan's barren landscape, no other crop brings a return close to that of opium.

A French think-tank called last week for the legal cultivation of opium in Afghanistan. The Senlis Council pointed out the irony that, while Afghanistan today provides 87 per cent of the world's illegal opium, legal opium-based medicines are in short supply in Afghanistan and all over the developing world.

A handful of countries, including Australia, India and Turkey, grow opium legally for use in medicine under licences granted by the United Nations.

But drug companies have resisted the production of cheap versions of their opium-based medicine, according to Jorrit Kamminga of the Senlis Council.

The group's proposal was that legally grown opium in Afghanistan could satisfy its domestic medical need, and might even allow it to export opium for medicinal use. But the proposal was rejected by the Afghan government after being rubbished by the US and by the UN Office for Drug Control.

The Afghan government said it could not put in place safeguards to ensure legally grown opium was not channelled into the black market.

Posted by: treehugger at October 4, 2005 9:20 AM

treehugger:

Cyrus is, indeed, quite pathetic, a budding Iranian kj. On the Oct. 2 thread about "jihad for oil" Cyrus offered up a prayer for the annihilation of Americans, Israel and Islam which I brought to Spencer's attention and presume he deleted. If he keeps this up, he could find his posting rights suspended altogether.

This story is actually quite timely. Today, on FrontPageMag.com, there's a piece from Daniel Pipes entitled, "The Stupid Terrorists' Club" (link below) -- a Darwin awards list for jihaddists if you will. Guess we know who the top nominee is for the #1 Darwin of 2005 is.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19705

Posted by: waterdragon52 at October 4, 2005 9:29 AM

The Russians had a great idea, put out a notice that says, "If any muslim dare commit murder/suicide in America, we will wrap your body parts in pigs skin." Watch all the muslims in America go nuts.

Posted by: herself at October 4, 2005 9:44 AM

I don't mind posts like Cyrus' at all.

Any of you who find yourselves having to debate with the general public should start out with the relatively easy refutation of Cyrus, to the more complex ones you might be offered in the future.

Cyrus didn't do any "flaming", he just made a bad and incorrect argument (or a series of bad half arguments) - so waterdragon - I find him a benefit to the posts. We think we know what to say, but oftentimes on the fly, we are unable to respond convincingly to some of the old herrings when put on the spot.

Cyrus said: "And the arab people are brainwaished with the islamic propaganda" - an unusual statement from a supposed jihadist sympathizer. These are EXACTLY the people I want reading this site - not all of us that are already convinced of the treachery of Islam.

I hope that Cyrus continues to read these articles, and continues to make points - those points may CHANGE over time, you never know.

And Cyrus - if you want one of us to respond - try not to use the "carpet bombing" approach to arguing - pick one thing that bothers you and explore it fully. Then you will get more considered responses, like the one from treehugger. I counted 12 points you started to make, before moving to a different topic, because that is what makes ranting easy - you don't really have to support what you say.

Posted by: VoiceOfSkippy at October 4, 2005 10:27 AM

When I saw his picture on Drudge I thought, hmmm the fledging Islamic look. Is there any reason to believe he blew up prematurely? There was 80,000 people in the stadium, maybe he didn't reach his intended goal...

Posted by: Kemaste at October 4, 2005 10:29 AM

Waterdragon52-

If Cyrus is Iranian, it's particularly ironic that he would be on this website putting out anti american propaganda, while the Mullahs are systemtatically destroying all traces of his people's marvellous history.

I read that they are planning to tear down Perseoplis and the tomb of Cyrus the Great, after whom I assume Cyrus took his screen name.

Sad, isn't it?

Posted by: treehugger at October 4, 2005 10:33 AM

Question: What do you call a muslim technology conference? Answer: an Explo

Posted by: texan at October 4, 2005 10:37 AM

isnt Cyrus a Parsi name?

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at October 4, 2005 10:43 AM

Indeed I am iranian. And yes I took my name from Cyrus the great! And if what you are saying about persepolis is true then I believe it's tragical.

Nevertheless am not spreading anti american propaganda I just want the american people to see the "terrorist acts" your country does aswell. Americans are so apt to forget their own evil deeds and point their fingers at other people. I'm not saying that the muslim terrorists are good, I do believe that they all should be burned and send to something worse than hell. I am not trying to spread any kind of hatred unlike your fellowmen. Calling Islam idiotic names, Americans seem to be prejudice and extremely ignorant. Because you do not want to look at the facts provided by both sides and then draw your conclusion instead you are satisfied with the bullshit your government feeds you and that's the propaganda you spread.

Americans live in a dreamworld thinking their government is out to "correct" the world.

Kemaste said "...an unusual statement from a supposed jihadist sympathizer"
--I am not a sympathizer for the jihadist I am a sympathizer for the innocent people that die, no matter what religion they have or where they come from. I feel sorry for the people that died in 9-11 aswell as the people that died in Spain, Brittian and Bali. But I don't believe it justifies what america is doing. I will continue to read this site, so you can be happy!!!

treeholder: --Thank you for the information and I apologize!!!!!

waterdragon52 said:On the Oct. 2 thread about "jihad for oil" Cyrus offered up a prayer for the annihilation of Americans, Israel and Islam which I brought to Spencer's attention and presume he deleted. --Man don't get worked up, you don't have to be offended. It was just my american type of humor that took control of me. Nothing I meant!

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 11:16 AM

Cyrus: "I am not a sympathizer for the jihadist I am a sympathizer for the innocent people that die, no matter what religion they have or where they come from. I feel sorry for the people that died in 9-11 aswell as the people that died in Spain, Brittian and Bali. But I don't believe it justifies what america is doing."

And just, pray tell, should the United States do in response to these terrorist acts, Cyrus? Ask forgiveness, ala Jimmy Carter?

Cyrus: "waterdragon52 said:On the Oct. 2 thread about "jihad for oil" Cyrus offered up a prayer for the annihilation of Americans, Israel and Islam which I brought to Spencer's attention and presume he deleted. --Man don't get worked up, you don't have to be offended. It was just my american type of humor that took control of me. Nothing I meant!"

Rule of thumb Cyrus... we don't call it "humor" unless its actually funny. As an additional caveat, I would warn you that humor is a cultural thing and cross-cultural humor tends to be a difficult proposition. I would point out that Muslims don't have to be offended by porcelain pig statuettes and other novelties, but, somehow, they are... read today's (10/4/05)Telegraph (a British Newspaper) for Mark Steyn's editorial -- it may already be up in the Dhimmiwatch side of the site.

Posted by: Cthulhu at October 4, 2005 11:39 AM

Hehehe...no The US shouldn't ask forgiveness but they could start with attacking Saudi Arabia because that's where most of the terrorists came from, the ones that comitted 9-11!!!Nevertheless Osama Bin Laden comes from Saudi aswell... But noooo...Saudi Arabia provides america with too much money so we'll just let them get away, as long as they pay they're not terrorists they're the GOOD GUYS!!!!Let's take out these poor EVIL iraqi bastards instead!!!! Am I right????

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 12:03 PM

Cyrus-
I don't have much time, so here's a quick tidbit to think about.

We went into Afghanistan to get rid of the terror training network that supported Bin Laden, who as you know, attacked us on 9-11.

The Afghani people will be free to choose their government with our assistance. I hope they choose wisely and have a happy and prosperous country. God knows after all the suffering that has taken place there, they could use a break.
However, it is up to them, because we won't be there forever.

We went into Iraq, for reasons that are VERY controversial here in the US. Whether you agree or not with the invasion, again, the Iraqi people will now choose their government. Will it be exactly as we hope it will be, a secular democratic one? It sounds iffy. But again, we don't WANT to be there....we'd love for the Iraqi to have a stable, peaceful, FREE, and prosperous country.

There is obviously self interest involved-countries where people are treated decently, are free to live thier lives, and are prosperous are more likely to be peaceful. More peace, less terror for all of us.

And with luck, it will cause other countries in the Middle East to follow the same course.

An experiment that may fail? Indeed, at some cost to the US. Also, if it erupts into sectarian conflicts in the ME, at some cost to the Sunnis, Shia, Kurds, etc.

So, which is preferable, the status quo, or the potential for change?

Posted by: treehugger at October 4, 2005 12:05 PM

treehugger wrote:And with luck, it will cause other countries in the Middle East to follow the same course.

I honestly hope this wish of yours will be fulfilled because that's what I'm hoping for awell.!!!!!!

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 12:10 PM

And you are right about the Saudis. I would rather stop using my car then spend one more penny on Saudi oil. They are the number one terrorist enablers in the world, followed, of course, by the Iranian mullahs.

Posted by: treehugger at October 4, 2005 12:11 PM

I just hope when judgement day is here for the Iranian Mullahs, that America doesn't just kill them but tortures them to deat!!!

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 12:23 PM

Hi Cyrus,
Dont agree with you whatsoever that the West is guilty of many bad things against the Muslims.
That's the Muslim and Koran song and dance.
Whatever is good in religion Islam got from the biblical testaments.
Whatever is good in the modern era, the Islamic world got from us as well - science and invention.
Unfotunately theocracies also GET petrodollars to which they must be disentitled.ASAP.

Posted by: dgene at October 4, 2005 12:31 PM

Cyrus:

I gather you missed the article(s) about the foreign aid that Saudi Arabia was just certified to receive from the US despite failing to meet some of the conditions that would normally attach.

Saudis certainly have money invested in the US and all sorts of lobbying powers, and doubtless they fund political campaigns too, but the money doesn't just flow in one direction. And, interestingly enough, despite the high prices being paid for crude oil, Saudi Arabia also has a lot of debt and its citizens enjoy a standard of living that is considerably lower than that of the Palestinians in the Gaza and West Bank during the so-called 2nd Intifada, with the Palestinians at 0.67 HDI vs Saudi Arabia's 0.3 (which is similar to Iran's).

Posted by: waterdragon52 at October 4, 2005 12:38 PM

"Joel Henry Hinrichs III, 21, an engineering major at the school blew himself up outside OU's football stadium during Saturday night's game against Kansas State."

When reading the book American Jihad...I came across an interesting comment from a Mr. Khalid Duran who is a close friend of the author Steven Emerson.

Mr. Khalid Durna: "The odd thing about Islamic fundamentalism is that it's always had its strongest appeal among engineers," he says. "There's even a joke about it in Arabic. The words 'al-ikhwan al-mulimun' mean 'Muslim Brothers' and 'al-ikhwan al-muhandisun' means 'Engineer Brothers.' In Egypt they always say the Muslim Brotherhood is really the Engineering Brotherhood."

Duran attributes this to shortcomings in education. "Engineers don't exercise their fantasy and imagination. Everything is precise and mathematical. They don't study what we call 'the humanties.' Consequently when it comes to issues that involve religion and personal emotion, they tend to see things in very stark terms."

If I was investigating this young man....I would check out the Engineering Department of his college......and not waste my time in the Humanities Department. Just a suggestion.............

Posted by: rumoret at October 4, 2005 1:14 PM

Cyrus -

America hasn't conducted any terrorist acts, yet. The exercise in Iraq is akin to Uncle Sam wiping his shoes.

When America gets serious about prosecuting the war on islam, we will hold a class on terrorism that survivors will not forget in a thousand years.

Be there.

Posted by: Havoc at October 4, 2005 1:15 PM

to havoc: Good for you!!!

watedragon52: Do not understand what your point is! Try to speak a little more in "terrorist terms" maybe then I might understand? Since it seems that everybody thinks I'm on the side of the terrorists!

dgene wrote: Dont agree with you whatsoever that the West is guilty of many bad things against the Muslims.

First of all you are guilty of many bad things towards the muslims second who said it's only the muslims you kill??

I've wrote this before but I'll just paste it in this site (and explain it a little more so you might understand):

--AMERICA BOMBED THE AL-SHIFA PHARMACEUPTICAL PLANT IN SUDAN WHICH PRODUCED 90% OF THE MAJOR MEDICINE AND 50% OF ALL MEDICINES IN SUDAN, PEOPLE ARE STILL DYING BECAUSE OF IT TODAY (since they can not afford american/brittish medicine)
---AMERICA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT HAS USED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ON ANOTHER COUNTRY (people are still suffering from it today, born with physical and mental disabilities).
---1986 AMERICA WAS CONDEMNED BY THE WORLD COUNCIL FOR INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM AGAINST NICARAGUA!
one more so you might be satisfied:
---1985 America composed a TERRORIST BOMBING outside a mosque in Beirut, Killed 80, wounded 250,mostly wemon and children!!!!!
AND I REPEAT:
JUSTIFY THAT, AND KEEP ON SAVING THE WORLD!

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 1:33 PM

Cyrus:

Do you remember the history of the Barbary Pirates
which used to attack the trading ships during
the 1800's.

America had to deal with them with force.

Are you aware that the Barbary Pirates were
Arabs? Point that I am making is that this
mess has a long history which started many years
ago.

The real crime is that the Arab nations are
comprised of dictatorships or Ruling Families.

They also stole the oil which was discovered
and produced by England and America when they
"nationalized" the oil companies. If we had strong leaders back then, they should have sent
in the Marines and the terrorists wouldn't have the money to wage "jihad" that they have now.

Posted by: learjet0450 at October 4, 2005 1:40 PM

Cyrus:

I was responding to your point about who provides whom with money by pointing out that the money flows in both directions between Saudi Arabia and the US, as opposed to the single direction from the US to various other Muslim countries that support terror like Pakistan and Egypt.

I went on to note the curious disconnect between the vast amounts of oil wealth to which both Saudi Arabia and Iran have access, but doesn't seem to be enough to make the life of the average Saudi or Iranian even half as comfortable as the poor oppressed Palestinians who only receive all sorts of aid from Israel and western nations in various forms, although so much of the money (as opposed to say, hospital services) gets diverted into the pockets of the PA and jihaddists.

As for your list of American "terrorist" activities -- Clinton bombed Sudan, but not without reason. They were harbouring terrorists (OBL included) and the government was terrorizing its own citizens. If they still aren't producing what they need domestically and can't buy it abroad, that may have more to do with the notoriously corrupt Sudanese government and not the lack of foreign aid money. Like Saddam, Sudan's rulers care only about the health of their citizens if they can use it to excoriate westerners in some way.

Your other examples of American terrorism are similarly lacking if not altogether wrong or based on conjecture.

Sure the Americans dropped an atomic bomb on Japan, but what did Japan do to provoke this? Any idea as to how many people the Japanese slaughtered in the "rape of Nanking" or how brutal they were as occupiers throughout southeast Asia?

And what's a WMD to you anyway? Saddam killed thousands with poison gas, but killed hundreds of thousands using conventional means. How many young Iranians were sent to their certain death in search of landmines during the war between Iran and Iraq, which may have been "initiated" by Iraq, but only in the face of Iranian aggression, which is why the US tossed some help Saddam's way back then. I hear it was close to a million, so the ayatollahs don't need WMDs to launch a bloodbath.

Americans bombing a mosque in Beirut? Better give us the specifics and not just a bald statement here. Whatever butchery happened in Lebanon in the 1980s was more than likely the work (or accidentaly result) of either the Palestinians, Hezbullah or the Syrians.

Nicaragua under the Sandinistas was a nasty, brutish Stalinist regime given to executing its political opponents, a fact that some leftists and world "bodies" prefer to overlook. So, if the Americans invaded, it wasn't quite like Saddam walking into Kuwait.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at October 4, 2005 2:03 PM

Joel Henry Hinrichs III had a Pakistani roomate, now missing,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1495507/posts?page=123
Scroll down

Posted by: Carolyn2 at October 4, 2005 2:14 PM

Dgene wrote: Whatever is good in the modern era, the Islamic world got from us as well - science and invention.

Hehehehe well then let me tell you a couple of basic things the arabs invented man so you don't get lost:
-they taught the WestWorld (through Spain) to wipe their ass with PAPER

-They invented sidewalks.

-They brought Deodorant to Europe

-And They taught the European people that men should cut their hair short cause that's the way arab people have been taught by ALLAH. Before that everybody in europe had long hair, boys and girls (like the fake white-jesus picture the westworld have portrayed)! Never The Less, do not forget that Christianism started in the Middle East aswell!

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 2:45 PM

Cyrus:
The American left, who, like Islam, hate America,and let's include M.Moore here, FEEDS YOU THIS GARBAGE about BAD BAD AMERICA - AND YOU EAT IT UP !
The terrible things America is supposed to have done. Hell, you wouldn't even be here talking on a computer w/o America.
Instead you ingest the sort stuff you can choke on or at least get indigestion.
God bless America and her fighting men and women.

Posted by: dgene at October 4, 2005 2:54 PM

hehehehe...man I do not have america to thank for at all....I do not live in america so america hasn't done shit for me!

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 3:14 PM

ooops forgot to write something:

It seems that the things I write just make you people dislike or HATE Muslims and Arabas more and more...and the funny thing is that I'm not even a muslims nor an arab...this really shows how literate or educated and smart you people are hahahahahaha!

I could even be an american ! How the fuck do ya'll know?hahahahahaha

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 3:17 PM

Here is some more information:

Quoting research findings, the official said that due to the fact that Iran's gas reserves were diminishing and gas and oil production in other parts of the world was uneconomical, the Middle East could emerge as the biggest supplier of the world's needed energy by 2030, supplying about 95 percent of global requirement.

His prediction, he believes, proves why the ruling neo-conservatives in the US are concentrating on gaining full dominance over the Middle East region.

http://www.payvand.com/news/05/oct/1023.html

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 3:42 PM

Cyrus, silly computer head games are SO pre teen.

Talk to you again when you decide to grow up.

Posted by: treehugger at October 4, 2005 4:11 PM

Cyrus sounds more like Cletis, the slack-jawed
hillbilly on the Simpsons than an iranian..

Posted by: otterfisher at October 4, 2005 4:14 PM

hehehe so now ya'll going straight at me like that?
what happened to Peace?

Posted by: Cyrus at October 4, 2005 4:25 PM

Speaking of ancient Persian culture, we just saw a wonderful indie film entitled, "The Keeper," about Omar Khayyam. Beautifully filmed.

Persia had a well-developed culture, language, religious tradition long before they were invaded by the Arab Muslims. They still resent Arabs. I suppose they can't throw off the Muslims because they are outnumbered by the ignorant, and the modernists were forced to leave.

The film makes one wonder what could have happened if Islam grew in rationality, a la Khayyam.

Posted by: Claire at October 4, 2005 4:40 PM

Poor cyrus,
has no eyes,
so he cannot see
the family of humanity
that he and his ilk despise . . .
has no ears
so he cannot hear
the words of truth
so he embraces lies . . .
has a tongue
but cannot speak
without taqiyya
for his beliefs, his reality,
was formed by the duality
of mohammed and his evil twin . . .
poor cyrus,
filled with contradiction,
alone without weapons,
in a war he cannot win.

"To the jihadi at Oklahoma University"
Another jihadi blown to bits,
another soul damned to hell.
How will this story unfold,
and will They ever tell?

Posted by: the poetess at October 4, 2005 4:50 PM

Cyrus-

You acting like a silly little boy has absolutely nothing to do with peace in general.

But it doesn't accomplish anything, either.

Posted by: treehugger at October 4, 2005 4:53 PM

God forgives this soul. And very sad, his last conversion to Islam.

Posted by: Franze at October 4, 2005 5:08 PM

Cyrus:

Regarding your linked article. The authors should stop smoking hash before writing garbage like this. The oil and tar sands in Alberta alone are close to equaling Saudi Arabia's oil resources and can be economically processed at prices far below current levels. The oil sands are now the largest concentration of capital investment in the world. Venezuela has similar oil and tar sand resources. We have't even touched upon non-conventional sources in the U.S. such as oil shales.

Posted by: johnb at October 4, 2005 5:24 PM

Gateway Pundit is running a story about this suicide bomber . . .

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/10/sooner-bomber-wanted-to-buy-ammonium.html

"A Feed Store manager said that the bomber outside of the Sooner game on Saturday had been to his store to try to purchase ammonium nitrate:

The general manager of a Norman feed store said Tuesday that Joel Henry Hinrichs III had inquired about purchasing a significant amount of ammonium nitrate, the primary ingredient used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

Dustin Ellison, the general manager of Ellison Feed & Seed on Porter Avenue, said that a man matching Hinrichs' description had come into the store days before he blew himself up on OU's campus. Ellison said the man asked about ammonium nitrate, but couldn't offer a reason why he needed it.

After the bombing, Ellison said he thought nothing of it. However, when he saw Hinrichs' photo, it triggered his memory."

Coincidence? And the media remains silent because . . ..?

Posted by: justamomof4 at October 4, 2005 8:11 PM

correction.. make that Cletis, the slack-jawed YOKEL..not hillbilly..apologies to hillbilly readers..

Posted by: otterfisher at October 4, 2005 9:15 PM

Here'a a local news video that sums up our latest Jihad Johnny:

http://www.newsok.com/video/1633639

Posted by: cj at October 4, 2005 9:24 PM

johnb

Cyrus's link is probably factually correct. But note the author was talking about having 95% of the worlds requirements, i.e. demand. This has nothing to do with the supply side of the economic equation with which you give several geographical references. This simply tells me if these reserves eventually do get to market, the price of oil will drop back down to that of the good old days. Ye-Haw Cyrus, you've made my day. I also had a good laugh where at the end of the article it states that the conference was attended by "tens of people" from Madrid. Frankly Cyrus, I would be embarrassed to link such in article as evidence to whatever the hell your're trying to prove. Just goes to show who the stupid and uneducated poster really is!

Posted by: William The Crusader at October 4, 2005 10:21 PM

Cyrus-

Men in Europe and the new United States began to wear their hair short in the early 1800s because of a wide and sudden infatuation with the long-gone Roman Republic, in which men all were clean-shaven with close-cropped hair on their heads. Within a few years or so, beards came back, and right after the Civil War, long hair and beards were fashionable.

Islam had/has no effect whatsoever on non-Islamic male hairstyles.

Posted by: kafira at October 4, 2005 10:44 PM

Cyrus,

I'm not like the others. I don't believe for one minute that you're Iranian -- I think you are a African American convert to Islaam brother...

So, what were you doing time for when you converted?

Posted by: Kemaste at October 4, 2005 11:26 PM

Cyrus:

The US shouldn't ask forgiveness but they could start with attacking Saudi Arabia because that's where most of the terrorists came from, the ones that comitted 9-11!!!

Posted by: Beagle at October 5, 2005 12:07 AM

Just to support the point made by johnb.
Oil reserves in the world are not limited to the middle east. Russia has huge reserves, so does Canada, Kazakhstan, US and Australia. Combined, those reserves are far greater then ones in the middle east. With the oil prices at high levels it will make an economical sense to start to explore those fields. It has started already.

Posted by: pong at October 5, 2005 2:14 AM

Don't get too worked up over 'Cyrus', folks.

The thread is: "Joel Henry Hinrichs III, 21, an engineering major at the school blew himself up ..."

Now, I dare-say he didn't intend to blow up just by himself in front of a fully packed stadium.

His explosives were triggered by Allah and many infidels were saved!

I drink to that!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 5, 2005 3:06 AM

Don't get too worked up over 'Cyrus', folks.

The thread is: "Joel Henry Hinrichs III, 21, an engineering major
at the school blew himself up ..."

No. I dare-say he didn't intend to blow up just by himself in front of a fully packed stadium.

He could have caused a lot of damage. But his explosives were triggered by somebody other than Allah and many infidels were saved!

I drink to that!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 5, 2005 3:07 AM

Cyrus...go to your room, you are having too much fun.

Posted by: SCV at October 5, 2005 4:42 AM

Damn man, you people are sooo full of hate but then you claim that you're searching for peace.

I hoenstly don't give a fuck if Islam is a good or bad, nice or evil, or whateverthe fuck ever. What I care about is the innocent people dying, and as you all know most of them are Muslims, children, wemon, poor, not evil, and illiterate. If they would be given a chance they might not have been muslims. But fuck it why should America give them a chance righ? The people that killed 3000 (9-11) they look like these wemon and children, so why not kill them all right?? They killed 3000 and we'll just kill 3million because we are americans we are worth more than anybody on this planet.

Man and the guy that said "america has not bombed anybody for no reason" is an asshole. You know my answer to that?: I don't know a terrorist that has bombed anybody for no reason either? Of course you can find reasons, but you should try to be logical and rational.!

For instance the people in Palestine they do not kill for their holy war shit, they might say it in your televisions. But it's mostly to free their country. The West gave that country to the Israelis, so of course the Palestines will bomb them in return since they don't have guns and tanks they have to bomb themselves in order to kill the enemy, their enemey. They just want to break free.

And as for america 9,11, shit you had yourself to blame. You mena to tell me that CIA didn't know that that incident was about to happen with all the money you people pay them to keep survaillence on Osama BIn Laden, you shouldn't forget that everyone that is out to kill you, America made them! Manufactered them, gave them money, gave them weapons, gave them intelligence. And what happened suddently the terrorists got smarter and america dumber? I don't it!. America knew about 9,11 but it was a perfect way to start a WAE. And the reason I say this is because your government chose to attack Iraq, if it would've attacked Saudi Arabia, I wouldn't even be here writing any of this shit!

Posted by: Cyrus at October 5, 2005 7:50 AM

1. Joe lived 2-3 blocks from Islamic Center in Norman

2. Joe tried to obtain fertilizer a few days earlier at a feedstore- possibly for that large garden he was growing in the small apartment.

When will they admit the obvious???

http://www.newsok.com/

Posted by: MS at October 5, 2005 9:13 AM

oohps wrong story...
here is the correct link
http://www.channeloklahoma.com/index.html

Posted by: MS at October 5, 2005 9:16 AM

Heinrichs took a year off from school. Where did he go?

Posted by: justamomof4 at October 5, 2005 9:59 AM

"For instance the people in Palestine they do not kill for their holy war shit, they might say it in your televisions. But it's mostly to free their country. The West gave that country to the Israelis, so of course the Palestines will bomb them in return since they don't have guns and tanks they have to bomb themselves in order to kill the enemy, their enemey. They just want to break free." Cyrus.

Maybe you should really check your history. After the Arabs, who outnumbered the Jews over 300:1, had superior military weapons thanks to USSR, AND had the help of Allah, attacked the Jews on THREE fronts, well in short Cyrus, the Arabs and Allah lost.

Before the attack on Israel, the Arabs living in Judea and Sumeria ('The West Bank') were told by the approaching Muslim armies to "get out for your own safety, we're coming to wipe out the Jews". Those Arabs, who left their homes on this Arab advice, lost their homes. The Jews gave residency to those Arabs who stayed WITH their homes, despite this onslaught. Which I might add would account for the large minority of Arabs represented in the only democracy in the Middle East, that of the Jewish dominated nation of Israel. How many Muslim countries have Jews in their parliament?

As for the "West Bank", and Arabs fighting for "their land", just who were the Romans killing in 70AD? Jews or Arabs? Judging by the accurate Roman records, oh and all the artifacts in the region, they were Jews by and large. The West Bank was only full of Muslims AFTER Muslim invasion. It's not "their" land, but merely land stolen from the Jews. I suppose you are going to tell me, and the JW readers next, that the "Dome of the Rock" Mosque was built before the Jewish Temple?

In part of the settlement for the war of aggression, Jordan (one of the few semi-moderate Islamic (dictatorial) States) actually signed over the West Bank to Israel. Jordan also refused to accept responsibility for the Arab refugees created in part, by Jordan’s Egypt's Syria's et al act of Islamic Aggression. The 'Palestinians' - which did not exist as a country before the 67 war, were part of Jordan. Jordan as recognizing part of mess they caused, signed over the "West bank" to Israel. Why Cyrus do you never speak of the 40,000 “Palestinian refugees” murdered by the King of Jordan in one “hit”. I suppose because it was Islamic aggression against fellow Muslims, so that’s OK.

The "Palestinians" have a state, its called Jordan. In fact before the Arab/Jew wars of the last Century started, to call an Arab a 'Palestinian' was a great insult. Why? Because the term was used by the Romans to describe the Jews living in Israel including Judea and the 'West Bank'. So to call an Arab a Palestinian, was the same as calling them a 'Jew'. A great insult, especially to a Muslim.

And as for suicide bombers Cyrus, they are cowards. They have a long record of attacking women (some of whom are even pregnant) children, old men and women (some of whom fought the Nazi's - people the ME Islamic Arabs supported) and unarmed civilians. These bombers deliberately target these people, as they know the Israeli army, one of the best armies in the world (thanks to Islamic aggression) will actually shoot back. And considering how cowardly the Islamic bombers are, I can understand how they have failed so many times, to remove the Jews from Israel.

Allah the impotent. Funny how such an impotent god puts so much emphasis on sex in heaven. Obviously he can't "get it up"!

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at October 5, 2005 6:50 PM

Allah is impotent, so what! It's very stressful making fulltime war on the infidels and keeping the believers bums in the air 5 times a day. So to make up for this, Allah is giving away for this Jihad only:
72 VIRGINS to his martyred warriors (so he can watch). But wait there's more! Because after drinking all that FREE WINE and after the first dozen or so virgins, Allah's warriors are understandingly going to be needing some help. So Allah the most merciful,the most gracious is going to throw in FREE VIAGRA!
This just goes to show, that Allah is truely the one true god who in spite of his shortcoming, is benevolent to his followers.

Posted by: William The Crusader at October 5, 2005 10:42 PM