Well... the guy had the little Islamic beard going. Of course this doesnt NECESSARILY mean anything, but after hearing he blew himself up, his roomate was from Pakistan, and then seeing the pic. It really didnt take much more for me to decide that he had been brainwashed.

I just wonder if he was thinking about not going through with it, sat on the bench to think, and was blown up remotely by his pal.

Posted by: Trupolitik at October 7, 2005 6:23 AM

Well... the guy had the little Islamic beard going. Of course this doesnt NECESSARILY mean anything, but after hearing he blew himself up, his roomate was from Pakistan, and then seeing the pic. It really didnt take much more for me to decide that he had been brainwashed.

I just wonder if he was thinking about not going through with it, sat on the bench to think, and was blown up remotely by his pal.

Posted by: Trupolitik at October 7, 2005 6:23 AM

Query: what's been happening with the investigation into the murders of the four members of the Armanious family, the four Copts in New Jersey whose throats were slit, and whose murderers, we were assured (and those who had suggested otherwise at JW were subject to much criticism), had no connecton to Islam. I haven't heard a thing, for many months. Not a single published word. Is that normal?

And one more thing. Whatever happened to the Marine who deserted in Iraq to go to Lebanon, and then was arrested and brought back to the U.S., and then managed to escape back to Lebanon? Has the American government not asked that he be returned to face trial for desertion and possible treason? No? What's going on? We want to know. Tell us.

Posted by: Hugh at October 7, 2005 8:22 AM

As far as the Copt case is concerned, I called the NJ reporter a week or two after the crime and he thought it was NJ crime oriented, not anything to do with Muslims. He said the Coptic community was slowly coming to that conclusion also...he also said if there were further outbreaks against the Copts, then he thought there would be a pattern.

I never heard any more about the case...

Posted by: Dymphna at October 7, 2005 9:57 AM

OTOH, the strange clues about the kid in Norman continue to pile up. The Baron, at Gates, has an on-going series of posts on it, beginning on Tuesday. As usual, the whole denial aspect of the situation is Keystone Kops...

You can start here and work your way thru the reports:

Jihad at the University of Oklahoma

The most ludicruous defense of this boy is from a former fraternity brother of his who said no one from that fraternity would do such a thing.

Right. Now there's an unpredjudiced point of view.

Posted by: Dymphna at October 7, 2005 10:06 AM

I'm with Hugh. Just because the officials immediately closed the Armanious family case doesn't mean they solved it. There are many things that just do not add up.
The OU bombing is another less than transparent investigation.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at October 7, 2005 10:45 AM

The most strange thing about the OK bomber is the tight security around any information related to it.

But what has gotten out despite the best intentions of the authorities, does not sound like a suicide to me.

There are published photos that show shrapnel from the explosion embedded in a nearby tree. It would be rare to commit suicide by bomb [so-called "suicide bombers" are not trying to commit suicide, they are trying to commit homicide]. But a bomb filled with shrapnel? That makes no sense if the goal is suicide. And it would also be rare to sit on a streetcorner outside a crowded stadium to commit suicide. It is usually done in private.

The immediate and emphatic denial of jihad, plus the evidence that does not match the official explanation, plus the witnesses who saw the bomber running away from security guards at the stadium, plus the tight control of information about the case, all of these point to something other than a simple case of suicide.

BTW, the claims by Muslims that the splodeydope was not a Muslim carries absolutely no weight.

And then there's Zacharias Moussoui's connection to the same mosque that the OK bomber attended. To paraphrase Humphrey Bogart, "Of all the mosques in all the world, you had to walk into mine". I guess it's just another one of the zany coincidences that seem to surround jihad activity. There's no connection, nothing to see here, just move along, I've got a meeting with the Saudi Ambassador, gotta run.

Posted by: special_guest at October 7, 2005 12:52 PM

Hugh:

Have the accused murderers been brought to trial yet?

I don't know what the timelines are in the US for prosecuting capital crimes, but in Canada, these cases have to be brought to trial within a year, and it usually takes about that long for the Crown prosecutors to get through all the pre-trial process.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at October 7, 2005 12:56 PM

Hugh....there is more...

What happened to our x-military sniper and his son. And our grenade throwing soldier in Kuwait brought home to stand trial. (yes, I have seen the cases disappear off the main stream).

Every time anyone of these is discovered to have a muslim tie, the case or "THAT" information is removed from the public eye. Then it comes back out only on the late news, or the back page of the paper with a differant spin.

I will assume (and time will tell) that there is evidence pointing to this kids islamic ties, but that someone investigating did the wrong thing in communicating with the public....."they told the truth". So now it all has to be cleaned up. We will see the dance..."no he was not, no he never had paperwork, we miss informed you, he had the paperwork because he was writing a report, islam would never condone such a act". The media will remove the information and half of the public will buy it. If anything the media will start pushing that this kid was a Christian and went to Sunday school...

And just remember we are told that we have had no more muslim terrorism on American soil other then 9/11. And they will keep telling us that as long as they can make sure that we don't find out that the person commiting the hanious acts is muslim, then they are just criminal Americans with no purpose. It makes me feel so much better.

Sealing this warrant had better be a issue of National Security. If in time we find out this was just another way of protecting and suppressing information of a threatening religion, then all partakers of this sealed warrant should be charged with evidence tampering. And time will unseal this warrant.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at October 7, 2005 1:19 PM

Read Jayna Davis book "The Third Terrorist" and GOOGLE Hussein al-Hosseini

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at October 7, 2005 5:14 PM

Misspelled it. Should be Hussein al-Husseini

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at October 7, 2005 5:46 PM

Alaskan1000 said "Every time anyone of these is discovered to have a muslim tie, the case or "THAT" information is removed from the public eye."

Another case: the EgyptAir co-pilot who turned off the auto-pilot, started praising Allah as he pushed the steering wheel down, and did a nose-dive into the bottom of the ocean.

Nope, nothing to do with jihad, no connection to Islam.

Posted by: special_guest at October 7, 2005 5:57 PM

Exactly Bohemond, that was the first thing that came to mind when the conflicting reports started coming in. The parallels and similarity of location are creepy. I still think policy is to downplay terrorism here in the US as much as possible. Either the Feds are still asleep or they're afraid the citizenry can't handle the truth. My guess is the later.

Posted by: kevin at October 8, 2005 2:34 AM

Kevin...

The Feds are afraid that the Feds can't handle the truth.

Posted by: SCV at October 8, 2005 4:55 AM

special_guest:

There is a muslim poster who has copied your screenname with a slight variation. You might want to change yours or people will start flaming you, not realizing the difference.

Posted by: CGW at October 8, 2005 7:32 AM

From the fact that Hinrichs was waiting so close to some campus shuttle buses that his remains had to be scraped off three buses, it seems apparent he was attempting a bus bombing, but had a "work accident" first. The buses are packed after the game (standing room only), and there's no security, or very light security for these buses, so one can see his plan was well thought out--and of course, evil.

Free Republic
UPDATE: 4 p.m. - The FBI took over as the lead agency investigating the bombing Saturday during the OU football game against Kansas State. Three buses have been wiped down and sprayed, clearing the remains of the suicide bomber. The buses are still parked on the South Oval.

Summary: The bombing took place on a bench outside G.L. Cross Hall 100 yards from the football stadium by a south oval where three shuttle buses were waiting. Also see: The Denver Channel.

The U. of Oklahoma campus in question is located in Norman, Oklahoma (note that building 31 is G.L. Cross Hall, and the Sooner Stadium is to the east of G.L. Cross Hall. Here's a campus map. Here's a Google Hybrid map.

Jawa Report
Just a comment from an OU student: The buses in question are Loyd Noble shuttles. The stadium has a small attatched car garage that can't hold all of the traffic, and since there are no parking lots near by, everyone parks at Loyd Noble instead. LN is more than a mile from the stadium, so they use buses to shuttle everyone to and from the game. These buses are usually packed (standing room only) with fans, especially right after the game (Posted by: Jen Myers at October 8, 2005 06:41 PM).

Posted by: markjames at October 8, 2005 10:35 PM