If CAIR is against it, it follows that the infidels should be for it.

Why is anyone in this Administration taking CAIR seriously? Why would any Congressman want to ally themselves with a terrorist front group like CAIR?

John Sobieski, PI
The Pedestrian Infidel Blog`

Posted by: John Sobieski at October 9, 2005 9:23 AM

I have two questions for Mr. Hooper of my own:

Mr. Hooper,

Would you agree to living, along with all other Muslims in the United States, exactly according the the strictures dictated by the written and oral laws of Islam guiding the behavior of non-Muslims in Muslim land. In other words, would you accept dhimmi status in the US under Christian and Jewish overlords to whom you would have to pay tribute? If not, why not, since Islam is justice and Muslim Spain was a utopia, why not submit to the same separate but equal treatment in the US? If you are entitled to the same privleges as other US citizens, and I think you are, are you not accepting an non Islamic value system, since Islam itself calls for Islam, one particular religion, to be supreme? Is not a separation of church and state which allows you to enjoy the same freedoms as any citizens itself un-Islamic?

Secondly, by what standard do you think it is wrong for one religion to be "phobic" of another? Does not the Koran warn its adherents to avoid contact with unbelievers. So, then, by what moral and civilizational standard do you object to castigation of Muslims by non Muslims, or the desire of non-Muslims to separate from Muslims? Isn't that to be expected between the relgions? You aren't some kind of modern liberal who thinks all groups are and should be treated as equal and live on equal footing, are you Mr. Hooper?

By the way, isn't "Islamophobia" just another in a litney of expanding rights; women, gays, that come out of the post civil rights liberal West?

Sorry, that was three questions.

Sincerely,

Tokyo

Posted by: tokyobk at October 9, 2005 9:25 AM

"Pentagon Wants Powers to Spy on US Muslims"

I think you had better re-read that request a little closer. The pentagon does NOT mention anything about "Muslims" ... only civilians.

That my friend, is a very WIDE brush.

Posted by: witness at October 9, 2005 9:44 AM

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), said the move would offend US Muslims.

Posted by: Beagle at October 9, 2005 9:48 AM

There are group of male Muslims in the 16-40 age range standing together. How are we Infidels to determine which of the group are Jihadists scheming to shred us alive?

Posted by: myiironu at October 9, 2005 9:49 AM

Aren't we at war? For some reason American Muslims and many others don't behave as if we are.

War makes strange bedfellows. China, Russia and Iran are part of the Shanghai Cooperative Organization with input from other Central-Asian "stans." Are there foreigners and American citizens that are cooperating with these and others who would be thrilled to bring us down? Of course there are. And there were those during previous conflicts that acted in the best interests of the enemy rather than that of the United States.

R.S. has made a credible observation: "...it is a perfectly reasonable request given the utter failure of American Muslims to separate jihadists from their ranks." One would say that American Muslims are following the path of their forebearers and contemporary Muslims around the world.

Posted by: epg at October 9, 2005 10:39 AM

Pentagon Defense Agency Spokesman -

"We believe there are people in the United States who have information of value to us,"

I share that belief.

Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR states:

"the move would offend US Muslims."

So, people in the U.S. who have information are offensive to muslims?

Hooper goes on to say:

"This has a back-alley, dead-of-night feel to it that I don't think would be received well by the Muslim community," he said."

So, are we to believe according to Hooper, that those here in the U.S. who may be able to provide information to the authorities are offensive to muslims?

Posted by: jawa at October 9, 2005 11:12 AM

The more offended CAIR and the ilk of Hooper and muslims are uptight then obvioulsly we are doing the right thing. We should do more to make them feel unwelcome and squirm till they get to the point that they want to leave. If things keep going the way they are headed then some street justice may be the only way. The next attack in our country will lead us to bypass the government and settle things ourselves. I say if they want jihad then we should give them a double portion of it.

Posted by: Truth at October 9, 2005 11:12 AM

Read what was done during WWII. The liberals
would die of a heart attack.

But then we are at War and that takes top priority.

Posted by: learjet0450 at October 9, 2005 11:18 AM

The data-base has irreversably transformed society.

When private entities and even foreign governments have (or will soon have) the names, addresses, spending habits, etc. of every American, I find it rather absurd to render the US government willfully ignorant in its own ability to collect information.

Big Brother has arrived. There's no getting around it. WMDs are (orwill soon be) accessible to even individuals with a just little know-how. The sociopath next door with a persecution complex will be just as capable of killing thousands as the Jihadi cell down the street.

Ahhhh, life in the 21st century.

Posted by: Cornelius at October 9, 2005 11:55 AM

Big Brother was taken out by the Coalition Forces and is currently standing trial. We can't stop terrorism by being afraid of our own goverment. All of this privacy paranonia plays into the hands of the jihad. Goverment surveilence in the Mosques however, will send a message that we're not prepared to allow our own laws to destroy us.

Posted by: kevin at October 9, 2005 2:00 PM

Indeed, big brother is here.

Trouble is most Americans in the States wouldn't recognize it even if they were rounded up by storm troopers and executed.

They might even accept it as being for their own safety -- provided of course, they have little plastic flags to wave and cute little yellow ribbons to tie.

Are we at war? LOL...if you don't think so I have a few things that can change your mind about that issue. Nevertheless, Congress has not done its job and formally declared war as mandated by the Constitution they also swore to uphold and protect. It seems that the Constitution isn't "good enough" for that anymore.

As far as islamic sensibilities are concerned -- frankly my dears, I don't give a damn. I have more than a few suggestions on what I think should happen, but it isn't my place to say just yet.

In any case I really don't think the top brass sees an islamic threat. These people are in denial -- it is the politically correct thing to do after all. Battle fields can sometimes be a safer places than in the political arenas.

There's lots of stuff going on that I will not talk about but I leave you with a word of caution -- be very careful about what kinds of things you wish for from your governmen; you may just get them and may God help you when you do.

Freedom is an easy thing to relinquish for the sake of personal safety; getting it back is another matter.

Gaurd it well while you still have it to gaurd.

Posted by: witness at October 9, 2005 2:20 PM

It is heartening to learn that at least one US intelligence agency has not been taken over by CIAR sympathizers. Is this the same team as the Able Danger group that spotted the 9/11 thugs a year ahead of time? Maybe there are some brains in the beltway after all.

Germany (of all countries) has a new law requiring the imans to sermonize in German, or get out. That way they can check whether they are inciting jihad. Great idea for here too, except make 'em sermonize in English, or get out.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at October 9, 2005 2:26 PM

myiironu:There are group of male Muslims in the 16-40 age range standing together. How are we Infidels to determine which of the group are Jihadists scheming to shred us alive?

You cant. They are clones of each other. They are one with Allah, the Quran and Mohammad. Which hornet in the nest is scheming on attacking you? Insane people are sane untill they are not. Muslims are consumed with a group psychosis, they wont attack you untill they do.
But they all intensely believe in Allah, so when Allah says 'strike that man down', it's time to strike that man down. The Quran has already defined who 'that man' is, and the time to strike him is always. 'That man' is Allahs only adversary, and is clearly identified in Quran and ahadith. 'I shall terrorise the infidels, and you muslims shall cut their necks' (paraphrasing Quran 8:12). Yes its infidels, the hated non believers, the polytheists...joos, Christians ect. They all oppose Allah and are in constant warfare with Islam because of it.
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
I like this one a lot too.
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Just as I suspected, a protection racket. Islam loves taxes.
So when you wonder which of these muslims will attack you, you are wondering the wrong thing.
The question is not 'if' they would attack you, but when. They are all in the same club and the club requires active participation. The best advice I can give you is to stay away from groups of muslims. All you have to do to test the theory is to walk into a group of muslims carrying a sign that says 'Mohammad sucks' or something like that. See what happens.
I doubt you would do that myiironu, because you are not stupid. You know what would happen so you answer your own question. Because of their common servitude to Allah and all that it entails, you cant really trust any of them. When Allah says 'strike that man down', it's time to strike that man down. Allah says that a lot, and he knows best...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 9, 2005 2:27 PM

duh_swami:

So what are Infidels to do in order to protect ourselves from the savage enemy in our midst scheming to blow us up as we ride a bus or subway?

BTW... I would have NO PROBLEM with carrying a sign stating my opinion of Islam into a group of Muslims. I am a law-abiding, taxpaying citisen living in a Western country under the rule of LAW and as such, I have the right of freedom of speech. Should I feel (or be) threatened (or attacked), it will prove beyond doubt that Islam cannot coexist with the West. Am I prepared to 'martyr' myself by standing up to the barbarian Muslim pigs? Damn right! In fact, I would cherish the opportunity to put the Koran on trial in a court of Western law.

Posted by: myiironu at October 9, 2005 3:15 PM

Let's see. What might we discover if we spied upon muslims? That they are unfit for US citizenship? We already know that. Spying on muslims is a displacement activity. (Something done to avoid doing what one knows need to be done.)

It is time to begin the deportations.

No muslims. No mosques.

Posted by: Havoc at October 9, 2005 3:38 PM

myiironu...I admire your passion. More infidels need to get fired up.
In my opinion there is little immediate defense against these savages you speak of. Where there is a will, there is a way. So the best thing to do is destroy their will. One way to do that is to destroy or damage the source of their energy. The muslim trinity, Allah, Mohammad and the Quran. Truth bullets. I suspect you have lots of them. Load aim and fire...have a good evening...swami

Posted by: duh_swami at October 9, 2005 4:59 PM

Spy on them? I hope that's just to get warmed up -- I fervently hope they are planning to do more than just spy on these inimical traitors in our midst...

Posted by: jsla at October 9, 2005 5:03 PM

Hoorah! Name the enemy and push back on Islam at every level and at every opportunity. When Abdul catches on that the only two possible outcomes of jihad are handcuffs or a 5.56 through the cranium we can take a rest.

Posted by: Peter Boston at October 9, 2005 5:27 PM

"So the best thing to do is destroy their will."

I suggest that we videotape the remains of any Jihadist being fed to pigs. And any Muslim captured planning terrorist attacks be assigned his own pet pig for the rest of his life. Distribute this on the Terrorist Propaganda Network (aka Al-Jazz) and see what it does to their will.

Might have PETA on our backs for cruelty to the pigs!

Posted by: myiironu at October 9, 2005 6:44 PM

"I suggest that we videotape the remains of any Jihadist being fed to pigs."

Then..

Serve ham at Cuba's Muslum detention farm , three times a week.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at October 9, 2005 7:13 PM

Witness;
If what you are saying is true, then haven't you gotten yourself in deep by criticising the the Fed Gov in public for Big Brother to see? Don't you know that they are watching your every move just waiting for a chance to take away your civil liberties? I recommend you leave the country quickly and relocate to truly free environment. Iran maybe.
But seriously, We can't remain a free country by extending our freedoms to those who wish to remove them.

Posted by: kevin at October 9, 2005 10:05 PM

We know what "they" hate, we know what "they fear. I suggest using every underhanded means neccessary to fight this sick cult. If our Government will not protect us, or demands we give up OUR freedoms for the illusion of safety, bypass said government.

America. Where are you?
Americans. Where have you gone?

Posted by: wannabersc at October 9, 2005 11:27 PM

Witness;
If what you are saying is true, then haven't you gotten yourself in deep by criticising the the Fed Gov in public for Big Brother to see? Don't you know that they are watching your every move just waiting for a chance to take away your civil liberties? I recommend you leave the country quickly and relocate to truly free environment. Iran maybe.
But seriously, We can't remain a free country by extending our freedoms to those who wish to remove them.

Posted by: kevin at October 9, 2005 10:05 PM

Kevin, I agree that we must do something to gain insight on what goes on in mosques, Islamic centers, and isolated muslim enclaves that are without a doubt harboring sleeper terrorist cells.
But we must be very careful when we open the door to government intrusion into our lives. Everything I read in the article specifically named "muslims" and "foreigners" in the U.S. It didn't say anything about "citizens."

Many U.S. citizens who happen to be muslims have been arrested on terrorism-related charges, some convicted. Citizenship means nothing to muslims in terms of loyalty to this country. It is only a free ticket to economic benefits they cannot find anywhere else. I read somewhere a few days ago that judges refuse to issue warrants for wiretapping in mosques because they are "houses of worship." If law enforcement can go after suspected drug dealers, the mob, car thieves, etc. with any and all means necessary to shut them down, they should certainly have the power to utilize every means necessary to stop muslim terrorists from attacking this country again.

The most frightening thing I've heard GWB say lately is that future disaster relief should be "federalized." We cannot let that happen. I don't ever want to be under the heel of martial law and the states should always be the first responders to any disaster.

The way I look at it, we're already doomed. The traitors in Congress, this president, and the last nine before him except Kennedy, Nixon, and Reagan, have been slowly ceding our sovereignty to the U.N. to advance the NWO, and GWB has done more to sell us out than any of them. He won't protect our borders because he plans to abolish them and turn North America into a replicate of the E.U. His father was a shameless, vocal supporter of a one-world government, headed by the despicable, corrupt, filthy U.N. and it is obvious that GWB is either a Manchurian Candidate or a lackey for the CFR and other internationalist elites.

It's all so obvious to anyone who wants to see it. Look at the trade agreements of the last ten years and what they have done to our economy and our sovereignty, the full extent of the damage not yet visible. Bush supports the LOST treaty which cedes all control of the seas to the U.N. and will threaten our national security and technological superiority. Bush pretends to be dubious of the U.N. but he is in fact its staunchest supporter. He recently signed on to help them create a police force and military, pledged billions to Africa and the most bellicose, corrupt, and incorrigible entity on the planet--the Palestinian Authority. He has agreed to educate 60,000 Mexicans in U.S. universities at taxpayer expense. We will soon be sending huge aid packages directly to Mexico as well as giving illegal Mexicans free educations, health care and social security. When our borders are eradicated and we become one huge "North American community", the influx of Mexicans to this country will be so astronomical that it will probably only take a year or so to overwhelm and bankrupt our entire society.

The Supreme Court justices are complicit in the NWO scheme, which is why we hear them refer to international law so often. They will eventually be bound by it so I guess they're doing their homework. Our Constitution will be abolished regardless of what the lunatic muslims do; it's just a matter of time and I see no way to stop it. We can look for aggressive gun control legislation any time now; the U.N. is determined to disarm the civilian population in the U.S. first and then worldwide. It's very depressing but when the people don't pay attention to what the government is doing, what can you expect? Bush has no intention of stopping or even reducing muslim immigration. He will most likely encourage more massive muslim immigration like we had in the 90's. I honestly believe we are powerless to control our destiny. I never thought I would see the day that I would buy into a wild conspiracy theory, but I believe this one because the evidence of it is too obvious to deny.
http://www.libertythink.com/2005/09/council-on-foreign-relations-to.htm

Posted by: Susanp at October 10, 2005 12:51 AM

" If what you are saying is true, then haven't you gotten yourself in deep by criticising the the Fed Gov in public for Big Brother to see? Don't you know that they are watching your every move just waiting for a chance to take away your civil liberties? I recommend you leave the country quickly and relocate to truly free environment. Iran maybe.
But seriously, We can't remain a free country by extending our freedoms to those who wish to remove them.

Posted by: kevin at October 9, 2005 10:05 PM

"

Kevin:

LOL ! Don't worry about me "fleeing" anywhere -- I seem to manage pretty well in some interesting circumsatances.

What you might wish to consider is this: if I am given an order to neutralize you and your family since someone somewhere has determined that you are a "risk to the state" even if you are NOT a muslim ... what do you think I will do ???

Give it some thought kiddies!

Posted by: witness at October 10, 2005 12:31 PM

" If what you are saying is true, then haven't you gotten yourself in deep by criticising the the Fed Gov in public for Big Brother to see? Don't you know that they are watching your every move just waiting for a chance to take away your civil liberties? I recommend you leave the country quickly and relocate to truly free environment. Iran maybe.
But seriously, We can't remain a free country by extending our freedoms to those who wish to remove them.

Posted by: kevin at October 9, 2005 10:05 PM

"

Kevin:

LOL ! Don't worry about me "fleeing" anywhere -- I seem to manage pretty well in some interesting circumsatances.

What you might wish to consider is this: if I am given an order to neutralize you and your family since someone somewhere has determined that you are a "risk to the state" even if you are NOT a muslim ... what do you think I will do ???

Give it some thought kiddies!

Posted by: witness at October 10, 2005 12:32 PM

If it rains, if offends muslims; if it shines, it offends muslims. Everything and anything offends muslims. Even muslims offend muslims.
It is time to stop worrying about offending the cancer and start the surgery to remove it from our society.

Anti PC, the proud infedil

Posted by: Anti-PC at October 10, 2005 1:14 PM

If these Muslims were doing nothing wrong, why would they allow this to trouble them?

They must certainly know that the US government would not be able to do anything to them unless they were guilty of doing something the government COULD take action against them for doing.

The fear the US Muslim community expresses of the US government's alleged proposition to spy on them is thus a virtual admission of guilt.

So, basically we are hearing it from the horse's mouth (or whatever). DO NOT TRUST AMERICAN MUSLIMS! They do not even trust themselves!!

Posted by: pythagoras at October 10, 2005 1:56 PM

Why are we beating ourselves up about the difference between extremist and westernized muslims? That is like trying to distinguish between IRA bombers and their passive financial supporters. It is pointless. We should give them a year to come up with a way to distinguish themselves to our satisfaction or we declare all Muslims enemies of the United States until further notice. (I am not advocating genocide) I am just saying that we didn't try to make distinctions between Japanese and German friends or foes during WWII and the approach seemed to work. Faced with the possibility of quarantines and/ or mass deportations, I think they would quickly decide among themselves what is best for their families and come up with some sort of solution that we could all live with...maybe even a split in the religion.

Posted by: willyd at October 12, 2005 3:23 AM

Why are we beating ourselves up about the difference between extremist and westernized muslims? That is like trying to distinguish between IRA bombers and their passive financial supporters. It is pointless. We should give them a year to come up with a way to distinguish themselves to our satisfaction or we declare all Muslims enemies of the United States until further notice. (I am not advocating genocide) I am just saying that we didn't try to make distinctions between Japanese and German friends or foes during WWII and the approach seemed to work. Faced with the possibility of quarantines and/ or mass deportations, I think they would quickly decide among themselves what is best for their families and come up with some sort of solution that we could all live with...maybe even a split in the religion.

Posted by: willyd at October 12, 2005 3:23 AM

Why are we beating ourselves up about the difference between extremist and westernized muslims? That is like trying to distinguish between IRA bombers and their passive financial supporters. It is pointless. We should give them a year to come up with a way to distinguish themselves to our satisfaction or we declare all Muslims enemies of the United States until further notice. (I am not advocating genocide) I am just saying that we didn't try to make distinctions between Japanese and German friends or foes during WWII and the approach seemed to work. Faced with the possibility of quarantines and/ or mass deportations, I think they would quickly decide among themselves what is best for their families and come up with some sort of solution that we could all live with...maybe even a split in the religion.

Posted by: willyd at October 12, 2005 3:23 AM

Why are we beating ourselves up about the difference between extremist and westernized muslims? That is like trying to distinguish between IRA bombers and their passive financial supporters. It is pointless. We should give them a year to come up with a way to distinguish themselves to our satisfaction or we declare all Muslims enemies of the United States until further notice. (I am not advocating genocide) I am just saying that we didn't try to make distinctions between Japanese and German friends or foes during WWII and the approach seemed to work. Faced with the possibility of quarantines and/ or mass deportations, I think they would quickly decide among themselves what is best for their families and come up with some sort of solution that we could all live with...maybe even a split in the religion.

Posted by: willyd at October 12, 2005 3:24 AM

sorry about the multiple post...something was weird with my computer...

Posted by: willyd at October 12, 2005 3:25 AM