Oh, What a relief! Thank You.

They really are good people. They're just
misunderstood.

Posted by: lonely_soul at October 10, 2005 6:25 AM

Where are oil rich Arab countries? Where is Saudi Arabia? Where is UAE? Where is Kuwait? They should be the first ones to rush to help their Islamic brother. As always it is the west which is taking initiative. I request all my infidel friends not to give a single cent to heaven of Jihadi's(Kashmir). Let the Saudi petro dollars meant for Jihad be used for relief.

I am an Indian & i dont give a s**t for Kashmiri's. They have got what they deserved. Its a custom in India to donate one day pay incase of a tragedy, but i dont give a paisa in this case.

Posted by: infidel4ever at October 10, 2005 6:36 AM

I echo the sentiments of Infidel4ever: where are the wealthy Arabs and other wealthy Muslims. Americans have already sent in helicopters and other aid. Why aren't Muslim relief agencies on the spot and on the ready? It is absurd for them to expect that America and the West should do the heavy lifting.

Oh, I get it. This is the jizya that the West owes Islamic countries because they are Muslim and the Western countries aren't. I hate to see my tax dollars being spent this way.

Posted by: epg at October 10, 2005 7:37 AM

that was pretty insensitive. I dontcare who the ppl r.. traitors or loyalists, i'm gonna send some money. Moreover Jammu is a Hindu area so that discounts your logic... please dont mixnatural calamities with politics.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at October 10, 2005 7:38 AM

Those who have money to build nukes should be able to help their own people without having to ask hated infidels for assistance.

Especially if they happen to harbor known terrorists like OBL they should be only on the receiving barrel of a gun...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 10, 2005 7:49 AM

Just like the Tsunami,I won't give muslims a cent.

Posted by: D.T. at October 10, 2005 7:50 AM

I expect this disaster will be interpreted as their punishment for not folowing Islam strongly enough, not waging jihad vigourously enough, mixing with infidels too much. And the result will be still more persecution of the few remaining Christians, Hindus and Buddhists.

This is the prime opportunity for the oil rich Arabs to lead the way on this one. The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies are asking for donations. There should be a suitable destination for their zakat. Come on gentlemen, let's be having you.

But of course it will be the children who suffer. As always.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at October 10, 2005 7:56 AM

I was very happy with the Australian governments initial "donation" (my taxes) of a mere $500,000 to this Jihadi infested area of dar al Islam.

Now they have caved in, and "we" are giving $5.5Mil of my tax dollars to these Jihadi's.

I saw one on TV (very well spoken in English) saying what a tragedy it was that the local Mosque, buildings, and people had died - IN THAT ORDER!!! You would think that people would come before any stupid building, Mosque or otherwise!

I have also noted on TV, here in Australia that Oxfam, Aust Red Cross, have launched appeals - for the Muslim areas effected by this latest blessing from Allah upon his followers. Yet not ONE mention of an appeal for the victims of the hurricane in Mexico and South America.

Why is that? Appeals for Muslims, but not infidels? I hope I am wrong. Why hasn't the Australian government pledged the same amount of aid to Mexico and South America? Don't these Hispanic Catholic infidels count? It would probably be different if they were Muslim!

I am NOT donating ONE CENT to these Jihadi's via a "secular" oganisation, who will give the money over to Muslims on the ground, who will not mention that it is infidel aid. I WILL (if asked) give my money to a Christian Charity, but only where I know that THEY (on the ground) will hand out the money. Why? So that the Muslims can see that it is the "evil" Christians (who they murder by the thousands in Pakistan) are helping them, rather than their oil rich, Muslim brothers and government who have plenty of money for weapons. Which, makes me think, why is Australia giving aid to a country that has enough money for a nuclear weapons program (which it spreads the knowledge to other Islamic “Peace Loving” countries like Iran), but not enough money for its own people?

NO NO NO! – if a country has enough money for nuclear bombs, and has the energy to spread this technology to our enemies, then NO they DO NOT need my tax dollars! If only politicians lost $0.05 of their tax payer funded super for every tax dollar they donated in “foreign aid”. Maybe then, my local hospital could treat its patients, or hire real doctors, rather than have taxpayers treated by the likes of Dr Patel (Dr Death). No a nuclear power does not need my tax dollars!

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at October 10, 2005 7:57 AM

This Day In History | General Interest

October 10

http://www.historychannel.com/tdih/tdih.jsp?category=general&month=10272962&day=10272975

732 Battle of Tours

At the Battle of Tours near Poitiers, France, Frankish leader Charles Martel, a Christian, defeats a large army of Spanish Moors, halting the Muslim advance into Western Europe. Abd-ar-Rahman, the Muslim governor of Córdoba, was killed in the fighting, and the Moors retreated from Gaul, never to return in such force.

Charles was the illegitimate son of Pepin, the powerful mayor of the palace of Austrasia and effective ruler of the Frankish kingdom. After Pepin died in 714 (with no surviving legitimate sons), Charles beat out Pepin's three grandsons in a power struggle and became mayor of the Franks. He expanded the Frankish territory under his control and in 732 repulsed an onslaught by the Muslims.

Victory at Tours ensured the ruling dynasty of Martel's family, the Carolingians. His son Pepin became the first Carolingian king of the Franks, and his grandson Charlemagne carved out a vast empire that stretched across Europe.

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And don't feed the mouths that will later bite the hand that fed them.

If you want to help then help those in Guatemala. The MSM as usual is making a big deal about the muhammadans while ignoring those in Guatemala.

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Posted by: Informed Christian at October 10, 2005 8:07 AM

Oh splendid.

Relax everyone - the Earth Quake Search & Rescue Teams & non Islamic charity workers that the UK have sent will not, I repeat will not be beheaded when they have fulfilled their purpose in Dar Al Islam assisting the faithful.

Now, they will be given a fighting chance to return home & take their chances on the tubes & buses.

Funny how Britain can have so much invested in the infrastructure of Earth Quake Search & Rescue & recovery when we have no earthquakes, & an NHS that is literally on its knees.

You can't get a Hip Replacement on the NHS in under 18 months, yet we have money for these teams.

Sorry, but I am all charitied out where the lands of Islam are concerned - if the Tsunami taught us anything it is that charity from an infidel earns you no special priveliges from Muslim victims of natural disasters.

On one of the News channels last night they had the leader of the Bitrmingham Mosque making an appeal - the same guy who deny's Muslim involvement in 9/11.

The cheques in the post buddy. (Not)

Posted by: albion at October 10, 2005 8:17 AM

In the karmic order of things when the katrina thing took place it was allah`s punishment. It is a matter of weeks before it`ll be allah`s punishment for Mush shaking hands with Israel and being friendly with infidel India.

This is a karmic event that atones for the jihad victims. There is collateral damage and that`s expected. But the casualties are primarily in the nest of Jihad.

The quake has to a very great extent depleted the `martyrs` infrastucture along the line of control and hopefully their numbers seriously depleted.

This is more efficient than what the Indian Army has been able to do for many reasons (for political reasons).

Posted by: leavingtheleft at October 10, 2005 8:21 AM

"3rdtimelucky"

I was in Australia when Tsunami happened. Your government gave $1 billion to Indonesia as aid. Thousands of Australians gave millions of dollars as their personal contribution to aid organizations like World vision, Red cross etc. What you got in return? Schapelle got 20 years, Leslie may get 15 years, Bali nine may face firing squad and yet another bomb blast killing 3 Australians. Look at what Amrozi got? just 2 years.... You give billions to muslims they give jail or death to you. Atleast they should be greatful to Australia for all the help they extended during that tragedy.

Posted by: infidel4ever at October 10, 2005 8:23 AM

Not a cent from me. There are other charities.

Posted by: leavingtheleft at October 10, 2005 8:26 AM

Granny Weatherwax

I expect this disaster will be interpreted as their punishment for not folowing Islam strongly enough, not waging jihad vigourously enough, mixing with infidels too much. And the result will be still more persecution of the few remaining Christians, Hindus and Buddhists.

Posted by: Beagle at October 10, 2005 8:30 AM

How much money will Saudi Arabia, which this year will be receiving -- without a single Saudi having to lift a finger -- several hundred billion dollars, $80-90 billion more than last year, and Kuwait (ditto, with lesser sums) and the U. A. E. (surely some of those tiny boys kidnapped to be camel jockeys surely came from Pakistan), and the other Muslim states be contributing to Pakistan?

And what about Turkey, headed by Erdogan who warns that if Turkey is not allowed into the E.U. it will be confirmed as a "Christian club" -- will Turkey send earthquake aid to Pakistan, because after all Turkey and Pakistan are part of the only faith-based club in the world, the Organization of Islamic Countries, that is to say, the "Islamic Club" that really does exist in contradistinction to the "Christian Club" Erdogan prates about but doesn't.

Well, if memory serves (and he is snapping to attention at this very minute) during the Istanbul earthquake not one of the members of the "Islamic Club" offered Turkey any aid. Who was it now who offered aid, and whose aid proved to be so helpful? Oh yes, it was Israel. Which "club" does Israel belong to?

And why, if Israel offered aid to "Islamic club" Pakistan, would Musharraf, fresh from being enthusiastically applauded in New York for a deceptive and dangerous speech by various Jewish "leaders" (or people "taking a leadership role") not accept it?

The American government seemed intent on not offending, after Hurricane Katrina, any Arab donors, and carefully overlooked Israel's offer, and sending, of aid workers and doctors skilled in rescue operations.

Possibly, now, it should demand that Pakistan either accept, very gratefully and publicly, any offers that might be forthcoming from Israel for aid, and that certainly the fact of Infidel aid being offered as opposed to the niggardly response (relative to the vast sums they are accumulating) of fellow Muslims among the Gulf Arabs, who see Pakistan as a place where the Arabs may help to raise up a properly idiotized and fanatical generation as cannon-fodder for the Jihad, for that then gets some of the rich Saudis off the hook (they can claim that the duty is merely collective for now, not individual, and they "gave at the office"), for that is exactly what all those Saudi-funded madrasas in Pakistan are doing. And then Pakistan is a place to go bustard-hunting, and to break all the local rules on endangered species. It is a place (like India) to find very young girls for all the usual reasons, and then to discard them. Oh, they may be Muslims, but remember -- to the Arabs they are not Arabs, and that is what counts. Too bad most non-Arab Muslmis have not sufficiently grasped the essential Arab supremacist ideology within Islam, that every element -- the bowing toward an Arab city, the elevation of some 7th-century Arab and his Companions to be the perfect models for all mankind, the taking of Arab names and construction of false Arab genealogies (every third Pakistani is a "Sayeed" or "Said") -- that surely, if Musharraf were serious about drawing away from Muslim fanaticism, would be something to emphasize.

But he won't. And the American government won't do a thing except supply the aid for the latest disaster. It shouldn't. It should begin to show that the days when Muslim countries can expect aid, not from other Muslims, but most or all of it to come from the very countries peopled by Infidels that, those Muslims claim, must ultiamtely be made submissive to Islam and to Muslims -- are now permanently over. Would we have given aid to Nazi Germany, or Kodo-maddened Japan, in 1943? Why is it so hard to comprehend that a war means more than trenches in World War I, or tanks and planes in World War II? There are all sorts of ways to conduct war, some with a good deal of fighting, some with very little. Compared to World War I and World War II, how much actual fighting was done between the mighty arrayed forces of NATO and the mighty arrayed forces of the Warsaw Pact?

Alas, American and other Infidel aid will flow and be pocketed, and brief official thanks will follow. No one in official life will note that Pakistan should not have spent, or be spending, a fortune on its nuclear weapons projects. No one will demand, as a price of such aid, access to that sinister figure, A. Q. Khan, who has yet to be questioned by the Americans. No one will point out to Musharraf that neither we, nor he, can conceivably allow Pakistan's nuclear arsenal to be in the control of its entirely untrustworthy generals (Musharraf knows better than anyone just how untrustworthy they, or others in the Pakistani government, or in Pakistan itself, are -- he was one of them, and may still be).

Infidel heads need to clear, and hearts to harden. That Pakistan still is permitted to possess weapons that are a permanent threat not only to India, and to Israel, but to all Infidels everywhere, is intolerable -- a country completely dependent on the West for economic and military aid, and for access to markets. It could be easily brought low. That nothing in that line has been threatened, because we are so terribly eager to "find Bin Laden" (a trivial matter, for there are a hundred thousand Bin Ladens, and hundreds of millions of supporters, whose numbers keep enlarging, and we Infidels have no way of recognizing who is, or will be, a supporter).

There should be an entirely different tone about Pakistan. Reading it the Riot Act, cutting aid, an arms embargo (for best results with nuclear weapons, one does need delivery systems) -- all of this, until those bombs are either destroyed, or placed for "safe-keeping," in the hands of the American Defense Department. Or if you insist, in the hands of, say, the undeniably peace-loving, quick-to-distinguish-themselves-from-beastly-Americans Canadians.

Yes, that should satisfy everyone.

Posted by: Hugh at October 10, 2005 8:53 AM

Unfortunately money and aid will not clean up the rathole.

But it will allow the wealthy Hollywood lefties living in gated communities feel morally assuaged as they encourage and exhort Western governments to spend OUR money on aid.

Posted by: dgene at October 10, 2005 8:58 AM

Hugh,

Bite your tongue !

Please dont even suggest placing the nukes in the hands of my countrymen at present.

The current group of scavengers in Ottawa are bowing to the East and at least two universities in Montreal are in danger of being overrun and taken over by Muslims.

Not until we remember who we are.

Posted by: dgene at October 10, 2005 9:10 AM

"Moreover Jammu is a Hindu area so that discounts your logic."

Sorry Vikrant, but you are dead wrong on that. It is majority muslim.

Posted by: freedomfromterrorforall at October 10, 2005 9:30 AM

More on the Pakistanis who don't have enough money for their own poor people but have enough for the nukes (which is one reason why they are poor in the first place). Was this article posted here alredy?

MI5 unmasks covert arms programmes

Document names 300 organisations seeking nuclear and WMD technology

Ian Cobain and Ewen MacAskill
Saturday October 8, 2005
The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/nuclear/article/0,2763,1587752,00.html

The determination of countries across the Middle East and Asia to develop nuclear arsenals and other weapons of mass destruction is laid bare by a secret British intelligence document which has been seen by the Guardian.

More than 360 private companies, university departments and government organisations in eight countries, including the Pakistan high commission in London, are identified as having procured goods or technology for use in weapons programmes.

The length of the list, compiled by MI5, suggests that the arms trade supermarket is bigger than has so far been publicly realised. MI5 warns against exports to organisations in Iran, Pakistan, India, Israel, Syria and Egypt and to beware of front companies in the United Arab Emirates, which appears to be a hub for the trade.

The 17-page document identifies 95 Pakistani organisations and government bodies, including the Pakistan high commission in London, as having assisted in the country's nuclear programme. The list was compiled two years ago, shortly after the security service mounted a surveillance operation at the high commission which is the only diplomatic institution on the list.

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Posted by: Informed Christian at October 10, 2005 9:53 AM

Decision to suspend terrorism(jihad) in Indian Kahsmir is not by choice but is a forced one. Anywhere in the world jihadi terrorism is not possible without active support of local Ummah.Mian Salahuddin, if you ask your Kashmiri Ummah to support your Mujahids in the present situation,your boys will be severely reprimanded.

Posted by: iqbal at October 10, 2005 9:58 AM

"Was this article posted here already?"

Yes, on the 8th October, last Saturday.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008476.php#comments

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at October 10, 2005 9:58 AM

Sorry Granny ("Granny Weatherwax" http://profile.typekey.com/esmeweatherwax)

I have been away from here for some time.

Posted by: Informed Christian at October 10, 2005 10:10 AM

Great minds thinking alike as to the importance of that particular news item.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at October 10, 2005 10:12 AM

Whenever God Closes a Door . . . . . . somewhere he opens a window, right?
For too long, it has been suspected that OBL and his cohorts have been taking shelter in this region.

"No evidence suggests that the deadly earthquake that rocked Pakistan on Saturday injured or killed the world’s top terror leader, Osama Bin Laden.

Meanwhile, scores of activists from an Islamist charity linked to a banned Pakistani militant organization died in the devastating earthquake."

The chaos in the aftermath of this earthquake has given unlimited(?) access to rescue teams (wink wink), supplies and equipment including helicopters. What a divine opportunity to take advantage of the situation . Paying special attention to areas denied access . . . there is quite a bit of intel to be ascertained.

It is to our advantage that Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, UAE, etc. are lackadaisical in their response since supplying bandaides, water and shelter will continue to provide us immediate access to this chaotic region. The potential for payday will make the charity worth every penny.

Posted by: miira at October 10, 2005 10:18 AM

There is loss of 20,000 or more Believers.This loss should be undone by reproducing more muslims as early as possible. MJC should immediately issue a fatwa so that muslim males should change their sexual activities in overdrive mode. This will compensate the loss after next nine months. Muslimahs are reminded their sole function is to be a factory to produce as much believers as possible. Do you remember Mumtaj Mahal of Taj Mahal fame? She gave her life for the same cause!

Posted by: iqbal at October 10, 2005 10:28 AM

Hell, "the Muttahida Jihad Council" should publicize their temporary cease fire a bit more. Or is this just a taqiyya to deceive the Kuffar so they will let their guard down?

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Terrorists continue violence in quake hit Kashmir, 10 hindus killed

http://www.india-defence.com/reports/553

URL: http://www.india-defence.com/reports/553
Date: 10/10/2005
Agency: Press Trust of India

Ten members of two hindu families were killed by a group of militants in Rajouri district of Jammu and Kashmir early today, police said.

The militants first entered the residence of one Munshi Ram in Kandi village of Budhal tehsil, had food and then killed the inmates, including a woman, by slitting their throats, they said. Two of the dead have been identified as Munshi Ram and his son Kala Chand, they said.

After escaping from the scene, the militants went to Mohra Gabbar village in the same tehsil, barged into the house of one Kartar Singh and killed five persons and injured another.

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From AP

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1199530

In a reminder that the disputed Kashmir region is in the grip of an Islamic insurgency, suspected militants killed 10 people, including four Hindus whose throats were slit in three quake-hit villages, said J.P. Singh, senior superintendent of police.

also here

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-10-10-earthquake_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

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Posted by: Informed Christian at October 10, 2005 10:39 AM

aahhh...the sweet smell of rotting jihadi corpses in the morning.

Posted by: JanuaryMan at October 10, 2005 12:19 PM

If Pakistan has money for nukes then it should have money to help its own people.

And we better start looking out for ourselves...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 10, 2005 12:20 PM

Freedomfromterrorforall writes: "Moreover Jammu is a Hindu area so that discounts your logic.",

Sorry Vikrant, but you are dead wrong on that. It is majority muslim.

I don't know where you got the idea that Jammu is majority muslim. It isn't... and I should know since I come from Kashmir and have lived in Jammu. Jammu has a predominantly Hindu population. It is another matter that muslims have been coming in larger numbers here, new mosques are being setup daily, and the terror level is increasing day-by-day. I suspect it won't be long before the muslims start their process of ethnically cleansing Hindus from Jammu just as they have done in the Kashmir valley.

Posted by: Razdan at October 10, 2005 1:15 PM

I posted this on Free republic on a thread about Kashmiris complaining about the slow govt aid effort:

Most of India is so used to pathetic government response, inefficiency, incompetence an corruption that nobody really expects the Govt to do much anyway.
But not so in the pampered region of Kashmir where

- the moslem majority has driven out indigenious Hindus in planned bouts of jihadist purity
- has taken up arms in a separatist struggle
- has proven once again that threats, violence and blackmail work in the face of a weak-kneed New Delhi
- the rest of impoversihed india essentially subsidizes these princeling citizens coz the amount of federal aid that goes to J&K alone dwarfs that of the much bigger and poorer states like bihar and UP
- etc etc etc

and these worthies now complain of slow govt response..?? Suffice to say that many in the rest of India, though not unsympathetic, aren't exactly puking from excessive guilt....

Posted by: voletti at October 10, 2005 1:25 PM

This very terrible tragedy makes me and should indeed make all of us reflective of what we have to---ha, ha!---ooh! excuse me!--be grateful for. After all, we are--ooh ha-ha,ha ha,ha!---I'm so sorry!!!

We all remember when Pakistani Muslims were telling the Americans their natural 'disastrers' were punishments from al-lah. Disasters are a time when we must be so very concerned for our--our--our-- ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!! Ho HO HO-HO!!! HA HA HA! HA-HA!!!

What I mean is-

After all, we as human beings need to share and remember all the good things about Islam--HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA-HA, HA-HA!
HA-HA-HA! HA-HA-HA! HA HA HA! HA HA HA HA!!

It's just that--HA HA HA-HA HA-HA HA-HA HA-HA! AH HA HA HA HA-HA!! OOH HAHA HA-HA HA-HA HAHA HAHAHA-HA!!!!!Oh my! HA HA HA!

AHAHA HA-HA-HA HAHA HAHA!!!HAHAHAH!!!!!!!HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOH!HA HA HA! HO HO HO!!!AHA HA-HA HO!! HA-HAHA HA HAHA!

Posted by: pythagoras at October 10, 2005 1:45 PM

I'm surprized they haven't issued a statement blaming the Earthquake as a devious plot by the 'evil' Hindus and Jewish Zionists.

Posted by: Razdan at October 10, 2005 2:00 PM

Razdan - You forgot the "evil Americans."

Leave it to Hugh to go from the general to the specific. Thanks.

Posted by: epg at October 10, 2005 2:38 PM

I am surprised that none of the Islamic brotherhood said a word about 'Allah's curse' when they are at the receiving end.

Muslims should be ashamed of themselves. Shameless breed they are, they bite the very hand that feeds them. Even if the whole western world lines up outside POK and spends every cent of their hard earned money on them , the very moment calm is restored in Pakistan, accusing fingers will point to the west cryign about " death to America and Death to UK " [ In the case of the Hindu's they do not waste time shouting slogans, they just barge in and pump bullets into them ].

Posted by: TheHindu at October 10, 2005 3:33 PM

Here we go:

Various religious scholars said it is Allah Almighty’s practice to send warnings in this shape to disobedient nations and rebellious rulers defying Him so that they could mend their ways before they would be replaced by some God-fearing and obedient nation.
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2005-daily/09-10-2005/metro/l1.htm

Posted by: leavingtheleft at October 10, 2005 11:28 PM

Here are some pictures from the news to to put some faces on the pain:

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/10/10/international/10cnd-rescue.6.html

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/10/10/international/10cnd-rescue.5.html

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1051011/asp/nation/story_5344507.asp

Just wanted to place things in perspective for Vikrant and his fellow bollywood movie fans who might be looking for a chance to break out into smiling song and dance, like in those movies they crave. Cmon, shake that booty, cue that drumroll! That's what bollywood people would do! It's always time for a party!

Keep sniffing that soma, Vikrant. Personally, I'm hoping that Bin Laden got crushed in his bed by one of the big mirrors that fell off the cieling. I'll laugh if Mr Underground Resistance got caught underground.

Posted by: sanman at October 10, 2005 11:37 PM

infidel4ever - The Australian Infidel public are very generous when it comes to helping out those who are in trouble, no questions asked.

That said - many Australians have started to wake up to our Muslim friends in Indonesia - for the very points that you have raised.

For once down the Gold Coast - there were bugger all Muslims about after the latest Bali bombings. It was a refreshing site indeed!

I hope many, many more Aussies wake up to this Islamic cancer.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at October 11, 2005 12:48 AM

there u go freddie... the ther day you were telling me theres no Arab influence in Sindhi... ur dead wrong Islamo-Sindhi is littered with Arabic crap. Anyways Jammu IS A HINDU AREA. Jammu is distinct from Kashmir. Jammu is a Dogra area while Kashmir is Kashmiri area. Razdan is a Kashmiri Pandit so he knows better.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at October 11, 2005 1:57 AM

there u go freddie... the ther day you were telling me theres no Arab influence in Sindhi... ur dead wrong Islamo-Sindhi is littered with Arabic crap. Anyways Jammu IS A HINDU AREA. Jammu is distinct from Kashmir. Jammu is a Dogra area while Kashmir is Kashmiri area. Razdan is a Kashmiri Pandit so he knows better.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at October 11, 2005 1:57 AM

lol sorry freedom... i mistook u for freddie.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at October 11, 2005 2:02 AM

lol sorry freedom... i mistook u for freddie.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at October 11, 2005 2:02 AM

lol sorry freedom... i mistook u for freddie.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at October 11, 2005 2:02 AM

No estimate is available of the damages suffered by these terrorist organisations as a result of the quake. Many foreign nationals from Indonesia, Thailand, the US, the UK and other countries were reportedly undergoing training in the camps in the Manshera district. Only the LET has so far admitted that its infrastructure in the POK has been severely damaged. A spokesman for the Jamat-ud-Dawa, the political wing of the LET, admitted at Islamabad on October 8, 2005, that mosques, hospitals, schools and madrasas run by the LET in the POK were destroyed by the quake. He added: ''Many of our members have been killed. They are in scores while several others are still trapped under the rubble.''

http://saag.org/papers16/paper1571.html

Posted by: leavingtheleft at October 11, 2005 6:49 AM

Allah is indeed resposible for the earthquake and others as well.
Consider this: Tabari I:198 “I heard Muhammad say: ‘The first thing created by Allah was the Pen. And Allah said to it: “Write!” It proceeded at that very hour to write whatever is going to be.

Or this:’”Tabari I:199 “I heard the Prophet say: ‘The first thing created by Allah was the Pen. Allah said to it: “Write!” The Pen asked, “What shall I write?” Allah replied, “Write what is predestined.”

Or this: Tabari explains, Tabari I:202 “There are people who consider predestination untrue. Then they consider the Qur’an untrue…. People merely carry out what is a foregone conclusion, decided by predestination and written down by the Pen.”

A talking Pen. The Pen of Destiny. Allah has predestined every event that happens anywhere.
There is nothing anyone can do about any of it except become muslim and go with the flow.
Allahs fatalism. You cant escape it. Earthquakes? The work of Allah, hurricanes, tsunami's, storms, all predestined.
Allah was even harsh on its creator Mohammad. Mohammads painful, long drawn out death was also written by the Pen. So its Allah who predestined all this misery and suffering on Earth. It is Allah who predestines wars, natural calamities, personal calamities and cancer to kill your parents. The only thing good about this is that Allah also predestined beer and rock and roll. So I'm going to pop open a can of Algores Love Brew, turn on some of Allahs heavy metal tunes, and contemplate the fate of the world...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 11, 2005 7:32 AM