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Posted by: CGW at October 10, 2005 10:56 AM

8. An unwillingness to discuss the actual contents of the Qur'an, including what the authoritative Muslim commnentators believe to be the meaning of certain passages, and the principle of interpretation known as naskh, or abrogation, and its significance for Infidels in understanding what Muslims make of the Qur'an.

9. A reluctance to discuss the contents of the Hadith, or the so-called "authentic Hadith"-- those that are categorized as such by the most authoritative muhaditthin, such as as al-Buhkari and Muslim.

10. An unwillingness to discuss the ways in which many Muslims refuse to fully divulge, and instead seem intent in dissembling, about the teachings of Islam.

11. An unwilliness to discuss the history of Jihad-conquest, as studied not by apologists for Islam, both Muslim and non-Muslim, but by the leading Westen scholars, a representative sampling of whose work can be found in the just-published "The Legacy of Jihad" by Andrew Bostom.

12. An unwillingness to discuss "reform" of Islam in any but the most general terms, without explaining precisely what such "reform" would necessarily entail, and how such "reform" would be convincingly presented, with scriptural authority within the canonical texts of Islam itself, so that it might be accepted by a billion Believers.

13. An unwillingness to discuss the relation of the tenets of Islam to the failure, despite the vast unearned riches that oil revenues have supplied ($10 trillion and counting), of Arab and Muslim states to create modern economies, or prosperity outside of a few small Gulf sheikhdoms, and within Saudi Arabia, for a distinct class consisting of the ruling family, its courtiers, and those who support the regime. In particular, how does inshallah-fatalism lead to a paralysis of entrepreneurial activity and to the attitudes necessary for sustained and productive labor, as opposed to whiling away the hours either in political activities, or the coffee-house lassitude and jabber, before a television set turned to some propaganda network, while cards are played, hubble-bubble pipes smoked, and yet another afternoon is while d away, and the locals and government officials both demand more aid from the Infidels because they essentially "owe it to us."

14. A total unwillingness to discuss the figure not of the historical Muhammad, but of Muhammad as he is presented in the Sira (the sacralized biography), where he is shown as condoning mass murder of helpless prisoners, approving of the political assassination of those (a woman and an aged man among them) whom he regarded as guilty of having mocked, or refused to accept him with the right attitude of submissive adoration), attacking an inoffensive Jewish tribe in order to seize their women and to obtain whatever loot could be distributed, and who coveted when she ws 6 years old, and married when she was 9, little Aisha -- a matter that reverberates today, for virtually Khomeini's first act was to lower the marriageable age of girls in the Islamic Republic of Iran to nine).

15. An unwillingness to discuss how the tenets of Islam, the attitudes within Islam that demand loyalty to the ruler as long as he is a Muslim, and that dismiss the worth of any sysem that would set up the consent of the governed -- i.e. mere mortals -- above the Holy Law of Islam, as derived from the holy books of Islam (Qur'an and Hadith, and the Example of Muhammad, uswa hasana, as set down in the Sira), which for a Believer is unacceptable.

16. An unwillingness to discuss how the attitudes toward women, attitudes that result in what most of us recognize as instititutionalized mistreatment, might be one of the reasons for the political, econonomic, and social backwardness that is to be found all over the Muslim lands, and precisely to the extent that they adhere more closely to Islam in their legal and social systems. Saudi Arabia, Iran, the Sudan, and Pakistan are among the worst offenders; Tunisia and Turkey, and the quite considerably de-islamized stans of Central Asia, among the best.

17. An unwillngness to discuss how it is that "moderate" Muslims at times, and for reasons completely beneath any Infidel's radar, into quite "immoderate" Muslims. The man who seems completely integrated, earning a small fortune as an Intel engineer, with three chidlren and an American wife, and who nonethelss after 9/11 gives it all up to travel to western China in the hopes of getting into Afghanistan to fight, against his fellow Americans, on behalf of the Taliban and its ally Al Qaeda (the example of "Mike" Hawash) is hardly the only one.

18. An unwillingness to study, to analyze, to admit to, and to figure out what can be done about, the Muslim doctrine as enshrined in the Qur'an, and elaborated up[on in the Hadith, and demonstrated in the life of Muhammad, the Muslim attitude toward non-Muslims. What can be done, within Islam itself, to change the basic manichean division of the world between Believer and Infidel? If a Muslim denies such a division, then he is not a "moderate" but someone who is intent on keeping Infidels in the dark about the that aspect of Islam which, for those Infidels, is the most important. Any Muslim who pretends that the institution of the dhimmi did not exist, or as Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the Turkish historian who is currently the Secretary-General of the Organization of Islamic Countries, would have us believe, was not bad but in fact almost a privilege kindly offered to a select group of non-Muslims -- the Ahl al-kitab -- as "protected peoples" (a highly misleading phrase, as if Al Capone were to refer to the owners of restaurants and liquor stores his men shook down as "protected people"), is not a true "moderate" but one more so-called "moderate" engaged in continued deceptioni.

19. An unwillingness to discuss the full extent of the disabilities imposed on non-Muslims who, as dhimmis, were allowed to live and even to practice their religion, but under circumstances so painful, so financiallly burdensome, and so socially and politicallly limiting, and at times so physically insecure, that over time a great many of those dhimmis, even aside from the intermittent spasms of forced conversion that would be ordered by a ruler (e.g. Shah Abbas in Persia), would in order to avoid continuing to endure that status of dhimmi would convert to Islam.

20. An unwillingness to discuss the role of Arab supremacist ideology within Islam, a presumably universalist belief system. The requirement that the Qur'an ideally be read in Arabic, that non-Arab speakers (such as those poor boys in Pakistan) devote much of their young lives in madrasas to memorizing a text they cannot possibly grasp in a language they do not know, the desirability of taking Arab names as part of islamization, the necessity of bowing five times a day in the direction of Arabia, the setting up as a Model for Mankind of a seventh-century denizen of Arabia and, secondarily as models, his companions, the often-comical false Arab lines of descent that non-Arabs assume, the cultural and linguistic and political imperialism that is part of what Muslim Arabs have inflicted on others, from the Kurds and the Berbers, to the black Muslims in Darfur, to the Afghans treated with such contempt by the local Al-Qaeda Arabs, to the non-Arabs of Pakistan and Indonesia who are encouraged to forget, or to regard with hostility, thepre-Islamic or non-Islamic parts of their own countries and civilizations, for nothing must exist but Islam, and islamization necessarily has carried with it the seeds, and more, of arabization.

That rounds it off to an even twenty. Not sweet-and-twenty, in Shakespeare's manner. No: a rather bitter twenty. The bitterness of the unpleasant truths that need to be brought forth and not evaded or avoided or dismissed, but openly discussed.

Posted by: Hugh at October 10, 2005 11:15 AM

I would add the words "and members of religions other than Islam" to the end of number four. Hmmm, syntax, um, "for women and non-muslims." That's better.

Posted by: David M. Hartzell at October 10, 2005 11:15 AM

Also if they drag up the standard, "Christianity has it's old testament scriptures that call for the same thing".

Posted by: Carolyn2 at October 10, 2005 11:33 AM

And now we will witness the tiger changing its own stripes. Good luck and dont hold your breath.

Posted by: dgene at October 10, 2005 11:53 AM

If you've ever gotten your children ready to go trick-or-treating and they get in a big fight over who gets to be Osama Bin Laden...you might be a terrorist.

JLP

Posted by: John Lee Pedimore at October 10, 2005 11:53 AM

Unfortunately I think that half the general population of the San Francisco bay area believes in these 7 danger signs...

Hmmm, "leave the area immediately," eh?

Posted by: kamala at October 10, 2005 12:12 PM

Another Nth most Dangerous Sign of Militant Islam: Islamic leaders who are unwilling to accept the legitimacy any one or all of the proposed danger signs.

And another Nth most Dangerous Sign of Militant Islam: They sign it and for some strange reason, the inquirer feels like they're suddenly hip deep in Taquiya.

Posted by: Quantum Infidel at October 10, 2005 12:15 PM

Is there really anyone at all in America that thinks even one single Muslim organization will sign such a document?

Posted by: kakins at October 10, 2005 12:46 PM

Will not interact, converse, or socialize with non-Muslims in any meaningful way.
(I guess that includes all Muslims, doesn't it?)

Views lists by infidels with suspicion.
(Won't it be un-Islamic to sign this?)

Posted by: crusader rabbit at October 10, 2005 12:47 PM

Peace-loving Muslims everywhere agree on the need to be alert for any incitements to hate, violence, religious intolerance, or outright lying.

Hmm! I didn't know there is more than one. When did that happen?

Posted by: Seymour Paine at October 10, 2005 12:57 PM

The 7 signs are excellent. The one that came to my mind that wasn't there was spreading taqiyya:

Making claims about what the Qur'an or Hadith contain that are easily and demonstrably false (e.g. "the Qur'an does not condone killing", "Mohammed was a peaceful man", "the Qur'an mandates the fair and equal treatment of non-Muslims", etc.).

Posted by: special_guest at October 10, 2005 1:02 PM

8. The presence of a copy of the Koran.

9. The presence of a copy of any of the Hadiths.

10. The presence of a copy of Sirat Rasoult Allah.

11. The presence of a copy of the Ta’rikh.

Except for critical scholarship, or wiping onself, having in one's possession any of these How-To Hate, Murder, & Oppress manuals should be considered a crime.

Posted by: Shaughn at October 10, 2005 1:10 PM

Hugh -

Your somewhat lengthy (ahem) extension of danger signs overlooked the following:

#21) If the suspect muslim Has a pulse ... (Do not turn your back, discretely move fire selector to 'Full Automatic' ...)

Posted by: Havoc at October 10, 2005 1:11 PM

Using phrases that are politically loaded like Zionist Entity, Crusaders, Colonial power, occupied territory.

Telling people that you like them now, but at some time in the future you'll have to kill them since they're infidels.

Posted by: Bicheno at October 10, 2005 1:17 PM

It's possible that I have a crush on Hugh.

Posted by: nyone at October 10, 2005 1:52 PM

Condemnations of attacks on "innocent" civilians.

Defending the polite racism of "muslim brotherhood" (or white nationalists should rebrand their form of bigotry as "caucasian brotherhood" as it sounds more friendly).

Any mention of the fall of Rome.

Posted by: 1630r at October 10, 2005 2:06 PM

Hmm! I didn't know there is more than one (peace-loving muslim). When did that happen?

LOL! Seymour, who be that poor misguided muslim?

Posted by: Razdan at October 10, 2005 2:26 PM

sustained and productive labor, as opposed to whiling away the hours either in political activities, or the coffee-house lassitude and jabber, before a television set turned to some propaganda network, while cards are played, hubble-bubble pipes smoked, and yet another afternoon is while d away

Yes, I've often wondered, when travelling through Muslim countries, who is actually doing any work.

Of course it is just the men who are sitting smoking hubble-bubble pipes and playing cards. The women, meanwhile, are working hard, certainly, but at what? Producing and bringing up hordes of children, all of whom will marry young, half of whom will sit around smoking hubble-bubbles and plotting jihad, and the other half of whom will produce more of the same.

So not many are what we might call economically active.

Posted by: Interested at October 10, 2005 2:37 PM

I will add this to the list;

-justification to kill non muslims and apostates

Posted by: Nazia at October 10, 2005 3:06 PM

I'm starting to fill a cautious optimism.

Perhaps the threat of Islamic jihad on American shores is going to bring together Americans of all backgrounds who love our unique system and will fight for it, to the death if need be.

I am sure there are liberals who for the first time in their life see boarder security not as anti-hispanic prejudice but as common sense.

I am sure there are Jews who used to think of Christians as crusaders but who now sees that a religion founded by a rabbi on the principles of love can be perverted but can never be wrong in essense.

There are to be sure Christians who have now discovered that Jews are an addition and who can empathize with the terror in Israel, who see Israel as a beacon of democracy in a desert of hate and repression.

I am sure their are former white racists who would now take a black American who loves his country as a son-in-law in a heartbeat, knowing that the most important thing is that his grandchildren are Americans who love freedom and can enjoy it.

I am sure there are black Americans who are finally realizing the implications of the fact that the Cassius Clay of history was an abolitionist and the Machmet Ali of history was a slave-owner.

Am I too optimistic? I think not. America always shows its greatness in times of struggle.

Posted by: tokyobk at October 10, 2005 3:56 PM

Assuming it wasn't already mentioned above, we should be concerned about any Holocaust denial.

Posted by: kevin at October 10, 2005 4:01 PM

Addition to the list:

Any indication of a strong sense of trans-national brotherhood & loyalty based upon Islam that either

politically, or
legally, or
militarily

supersedes the secular loyalties of family, community and nation-state.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at October 10, 2005 4:48 PM

1. Mentionong mohammed and peace (pbuh) in the same breath.

2. Holocaust denial

Posted by: DP111 at October 10, 2005 4:59 PM

Adding "by name" to number 2 is a very important qualification. Generic denunciations of terrorism are entirely insufficient. Muslims must either stop their prevarication regarding specific acts of terrorism and begin issuing fatwahs condemning the perpetrators as apostates, or - being unable or unwilling to do so, conceed that these acts may have theological sanction. One can't have it both ways.

I also think number 7 is problematic. Of course organizations like CAIR and the AMC are using the cry of discrimination to undermine the country's ability to defend itself, but an individual Muslim may have an absolutely justifiable claim that he or she was the victim of blatantly discriminatory treatment. To thus label this person automatically as a militant could be entirely innacurate.

Robert, I think you have to approach this with a degree of circumspection and resist the hue and cry of your supporters to politicize. In so doing, your list identifying the enemy may just become the established standard.

Posted by: Cornelius at October 10, 2005 5:01 PM

#8.Danger sign. You are speaking to a self admitted muslim and it is NOT an overseas telephone call!

Posted by: pismopal at October 10, 2005 5:15 PM

All trans-national loyalties that find expression politically, legally or militarily should be deemed illegal by international law. Under this law, it would be perfectly okay for a Muslim in Los Angeles to feel a sense of religious kinship with his "brother" in Sri Lanka or his "sister" in Morocco and to express it to them in interpersonal communications and social gatherings, or to express it in writings and speeches, or works of art, etc.

But any signs of translating this feeling into political, legal or military exhortation, planning or action would be deemed illegal and subject to imprisonment, extradition, interrogation, and/or other penalties.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at October 10, 2005 5:37 PM

7 Danger Signs of Militant Islam

1) Believing that Mohammed (pigs be upon him) was really a prophet instead of a lying, murdering pedophile.

2) Believing that a black rock in Mecca is God.

3) Believing Mohammed wrote the Quran and that the Quran is a revelation from God.

4) Believing that murdering anyone who opposes Islam is compulsory and will gain you admittance into Heaven.

5) Believing that paradise after death is a heavenly whorehouse.

6) Believing that Jesus is not the Son of God and did not die on the cross because "the Quran says so".

7) Believing that anyone who has wasted their life studying the Quran and Hadiths is a wise and holy man and not some ignorant third world fool.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at October 10, 2005 6:18 PM

Pepper,

I'm no fan of the EU, but by your logic, advocates in Europe of European Unity should be criminalized?

Posted by: Cornelius at October 10, 2005 6:19 PM

Interested:

"...Yes, I've often wondered, when travelling through Muslim countries, who is actually doing any work..."

My observations exactly!

But when it comes to the Mohammedan propaganda, rest assured that each and every one of them tows the line and jumps up and down to the same song and dance:

Here it comes again, the Islamic disease:

"Kill the infidels, kill the Jews, injustice, oppression, grievances..."

etc.etc....

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 10, 2005 6:26 PM

advocates in Europe of European Unity should be criminalized?

They must be stoned.

Posted by: Interested at October 10, 2005 6:56 PM

Good point, Cornelius: this is a thornier, more complex problem than my glib solution addresses.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at October 10, 2005 7:00 PM

There is a difference, though, between advocating a European superstate and expressing loyalty to the global Ummah. Though a federal Europe would be an abomination and will happen over my dead body, those who advocate it, say in the UK, are not declaring war on their fellow Britons - all would be included in this superstate. By contrast, British Muslims who place loyalty to their fellow Muslims overseas above loyalty to their fellow Britons are being subversive and divisive.

I happen to think that the nation state is a guarantor of human rights and a bulwark against tribalism, but that is a slightly different argument.

Posted by: Interested at October 10, 2005 7:10 PM

If they claim that discussions of the Shoah are offensive to islam.

Posted by: Crusher at October 10, 2005 9:44 PM

The anger of Americans whose successive government deliberately pampered Muslim countries under the cover of containing Communism, is justified. For the sins of the governments, the common citizen, in particular law-abiding and peace-loving, has to suffer. However, merely Islambashing won't work. The Christians should too resort to introspection. Sane persons should also refrain from generalising a situation.

Posted by: AnilM at October 11, 2005 2:16 AM

I totally DO have a crush on Carolyn.

Posted by: Truth at October 11, 2005 3:39 AM

Interested sez:

"...advocates in Europe of European Unity should be criminalized?

They must be stoned..."

I disagree.

The EU was good idea at the time, many things went wrong but your (Muzzie) problems in England are not because of the EU, that was your own doing! I travel a lot in European countries and I like the open borders.

The EU should have concentrated on the former Eastern Block- countries, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania. etc, the EU should have brought them into the fold much faster! What are you afraid of?

The nation state, nationalism, internal warfare, that has to come to an end!

That is not the problem. The problem is infiltration by the most undeserving, un-integrable, un-assimilable barbarians which are coming in droves.

That is the problem. And because were overrun by Mohammedans ALL our polit-props let us down...

And why not Russia? 70 years of communism, what is it now in hindsight but a fart in the wind?

It is not the same as 1400 years of Jihad warfare by a fanatical mob that threatens all our existence, our culture and everything we believe in!

Europe can work, I believe that, we have to look forward.

I know you may have your reservations about the Germans, the French, the Spanish, yes, there is a lot of disagreement and bickering, but we have EVOLVED, we are civilized, we can talk, we can sort out the problems. But we can not allow the Mohammedans to destroy our culture! Everything is at stake here, mate!

Don't think small, think right!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 11, 2005 5:03 AM

Interested sez:

"...advocates in Europe of European Unity should be criminalized?

They must be stoned..."

I disagree.

The EU was good idea at the time, many things went wrong but your (Muzzie) problems in England are not because of the EU, that was your own doing! I travel a lot in European countries and I like the open borders.

The EU should have concentrated on the former Eastern Block- countries, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania. etc, the EU should have brought them into the fold much faster! What are you afraid of?

The nation state, nationalism, internal warfare, that has to come to an end!

That is not the problem. The problem is infiltration by the most undeserving, un-integrable, un-assimilable barbarians which are coming in droves.

That is the problem. And because were overrun by Mohammedans ALL our polit-props let us down...

And why not Russia? 70 years of communism, what is it now in hindsight but a fart in the wind?

It is not the same as 1400 years of Jihad warfare by a fanatical mob that threatens all our existence, our culture and everything we believe in!

Europe can work, I believe that, we have to look forward.

I know you may have your reservations about the Germans, the French, the Spanish, yes, there is a lot of disagreement and bickering, but we have EVOLVED, we are civilized, we can talk, we can sort out the problems. But we can not allow the Mohammedans to destroy our culture! Everything is at stake here, mate!

Don't think small, think right!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 11, 2005 5:08 AM

Sheik Yer'mani - I agree about 'Mohammedans' - love that word - being the main problem, but what I'm opposing is not the EU, though I'm not a great fan, it is the idea of a European superstate, a United States of Europe, if you like.

The problem is that when laws are set in Brussells, the UK stupidly obeys them, while France, Italy and other rogues do not. So our hands are tied by laws that are meant to do just that. This has been seen in the Human Rights Act, which stops us deporting mad mullahs. The French just do what the hell they like and ship 'em out, while we stick to the rules. The single European currency has been disastrous too. The situation is bad enough now, so it would be far worse if the dream of a European superstate were to happen.

Fundamentally I don't see myself as European, but as British, and I have a healthy dislike and suspicion of the French, which is the way our two nations were meant to relate to each other.

Posted by: Interested at October 11, 2005 5:29 AM

Sheik,

The EU has long moved from clearly defined concept of limited economic cooperation between sovereign, national and democratic states to the idea of socialist super-state run from one centre by socialist elite. The elite that in order to secure its control must do everything to eradicate the sovereign, national, historical and democratic.

The shortest and most effective way to achieve these goals is to enforce the lunacy of multiculti. That is precisely why the EU rulers use every means to swamp old, historical European nations with hordes of Mohammedans.

As a European I am one of the many who view EU as prelude to Eurabia. That perception is obviously shared by ALL politically active moslems in Denmark since they are unanimous in their support of extending the powers of Brussels. Moslems are not fools - in the struggle between Europe and the EU they will always back the latter. They correctly recognize it as their historical ally.

Posted by: thomas. h at October 11, 2005 9:24 AM

Sheik,

The EU has long moved from clearly defined concept of limited economic cooperation between sovereign, national and democratic states to the idea of socialist super-state run from one centre by socialist elite. The elite that in order to secure its control must do everything to eradicate the sovereign, national, historical and democratic.

The shortest and most effective way to achieve these goals is to enforce the lunacy of multiculti. That is precisely why the EU rulers use every means to swamp old, historical European nations with hordes of Mohammedans.

As a European I am one of the many who view EU as prelude to Eurabia. That perception is obviously shared by ALL politically active moslems in Denmark since they are unanimous in their support of extending the powers of Brussels. Moslems are not fools - in the struggle between Europe and the EU they will always back the latter. They correctly recognize it as their historical ally.

Posted by: thomas. h at October 11, 2005 9:24 AM

Interested & Thomas:

You guys just ruined my last illusions! that's why I said initially,that the EU "was a good idea at the time"-, now, where do we go from here?

The enemy is very cunning and knows us (and how things work) much better than we know them.

The natural expansion of Europe (if needed) would have been Russia and the former Eastern block countries, as it is, our own idiots can't even keep together what is quickly turning into EUrabia.

I have to go to bed now! We continue this another time,,,

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 11, 2005 10:43 AM

And watch for coded language. See the article "Differing Definitions" at my web site:
www.alwaysonwatch.blogspot.com

Posted by: WatchfulEye at October 11, 2005 10:47 AM

I'd make the following amendments:

2. Uttering any rationalizations, silence or refusals to unconditionally condemn Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Hamas, or other terrorists or organizations

3. Promoting jihad, whether described as jihad or "armed resistance" for Muslims to fight against what the combatants describe as "injustice" or "aggression", particularly where political solutions have been made available to that Muslim community which is resorting to acts of violence against others.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at October 11, 2005 12:21 PM

Really 7 danger signs on a list ....yeah they may sign up and give us all the usual spiel about what good citizens they are etc etc....what was that about being able to lie and cheat as long as it suits Jihad etc. Probably they would accept their copy in their left hands and we all know what they do with this ....wipe their arses, exactly what the agreement would be doing the minute you left !!

We have to get real and treat all until proven otherwise as possible radicals or supporters of radical fudementalism.

Are we too late ?.. the 5th column arrived in the 1970's and gradually utilised our systems to garner ever growing numbers while quietly appearing to get along with whatever society they lived in. Slowly they increased within certain areas of cities and bred out the indigenous populations till they have almost whole cities in England and Europe with a majority.

Then came the use of the Politically correct idiots in Politics and local govt who have allowed them to use and misuse our laws and social benefit systems to their own ends. We have funded their pressure groups , provided social security benefits, ethnic housing , positive discrimmination within Politics,Jobs and the national lottery fund. Allowed asylum on non exsisting grounds , allowed arranged marriages which of course are usually from the village back home.

And now we have approx 3 million of them officially and unofficialy in the UK.

And we think getting them to sign up to guidlines will assist..how much of a critical mass must we let them achieve before our so called LEADERS wake up and start extending the same courtesy we get from them....its the same old story .....if they terrorise us ....return the courtesy ten fold
War is horrible , morally bankrupt and debases all civilised peoples .......however if we dont fight back with all our powers they will gnaw at us till we lose all will and where will our civilised culture be then ??

We require a leader with a backbone unafraid to admit we have only one avenue left....the right to
live without fear and oppression....if they hide among the moderates tough... send them out or we will
remove all of you. There can be no Politically correct version of WAR !!

Posted by: CelticBoar at October 11, 2005 2:19 PM

These are all very good. I love em all!! Unfortunately, we need to get the "Dhimmi" politicians on board and amend the Constitution appropriately so we can enforce these. (That is if we can keep the rest of the "Dhimmi Moonbats" from trying to interfere.)

That amendment would read:

"Freedom of religion, excluding Militant-anti U.S. groups labeled as religions."

I think we are still okay on the "Freedom of Speech" one we all love so, but only if we can still convict someone of treason and are willing to act on it.

Groups like Jihad Watch, Jerusalem Prayer Team, etc, and each one of us asking God's help and encouraging our fellow Americans to participate are our only avenues of hope. The infiltration process is more active than most of us think, and Americans are falling to this "peaceful religion" by the thousands across our great land.

It will be our next civil/religious war on our own soil, if we don't act daily without failing.

One small caveat?!?! Has anyone else but me decided the mark of the beast could end up being a crescent moon? Just a thought. If so, we need them off our soil soon!

RLG

Posted by: RLG at October 11, 2005 2:25 PM

8. Member of CAIR

Posted by: willyd at October 12, 2005 3:09 AM

I would like to recommend this additional point:

-. Recognization of Israel (and refusing to call it "occupied Palestine")

Btw, I created the following small poll about the "7 Danger Signs" at Anti Jihad.

Will the UAC / Jihad Watch activity show a result?

1.) Yes - the peace loving Muslim Community will accept and agree

2.) Yes! - the peace loving Muslim Community will not touch the list

Posted by: critilo at October 12, 2005 6:20 AM

I would like to recommend this additional point:

-. Recognization of Israel (and refusing to call it "occupied Palestine")

Btw, I created the following small poll about the "7 Danger Signs" at Anti Jihad.

Will the UAC / Jihad Watch activity show a result?

1.) Yes - the peace loving Muslim Community will accept and agree

2.) Yes! - the peace loving Muslim Community will not touch the list

Posted by: critilo at October 12, 2005 6:21 AM

I would like to recommend this additional point:

-. Recognization of Israel (and refusing to call it "occupied Palestine")

Btw, I created the following small poll about the "7 Danger Signs" at Anti Jihad:

Will the UAC / Jihad Watch activity show a result?

1.) Yes - the peace loving Muslim Community will accept and agree

2.) Yes! - the peace loving Muslim Community will not touch the list

Posted by: critilo at October 12, 2005 6:21 AM

Okay, please don't bash me too hard for my first (and triple) post. (My browser reacted terribly slow and told me 2 times that he was not able to open the page).

Posted by: critilo at October 12, 2005 6:26 AM

Okay, please don't bash me too hard for my first (and triple) post. (My browser reacted terribly slow and told me 2 times that he was not able to open the page).

Posted by: critilo at October 12, 2005 6:28 AM

... sigh!

Posted by: critilo at October 12, 2005 6:33 AM

This preposterous HOW COULD you possible forget the most important second part .!

8. An Arabic-speakers-wanabee , who only heard an Arabic word an jump on it without truly knowing the meaning and the usage of it…!
9. Anyone is who ignorant enough not to pass 80/20 Ignorance test
10. Anyone who believes the Arz Esrael Theory
11. Any card caring member of Spy-on-America for Israel organization.
12. Anyone who believes Osama Ben Laden represents Islam and Muslim.
13. Anyone who abhorrently, falsely and blasphemously attacks prophets of God without expectations.
14. Anyone who believes he or she who thinks “the truth is written in stone”
15. Anyone who can’t understand the true meaning of the following Verses from the Holy Bible and The Noble Qur’an.

"If we do discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable in broad principle by everyone, not just a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people, be able to take part in the discussion of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason- for then we would truly know the mind of God."
(Stephen W. Hawking, A Brief History of Time, 1988)

".....The nature of God, according to which he has originated humankind. There is no changing the order that God has established. That indeed is the STANDARD established order (deen al qiyyam). But most among humankind understand not
(Koran 30:30)
"Of the people of Moses (i.e., the Jews) there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. (The Noble Quran, 7:159)"
"It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to God's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of God's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers. (The Noble Quran, 5:44)"
"Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (The Noble Quran, 2:62)"

Also, according to the Noble Quran, MOST Jews are evil doers. Some of them however are peaceful and are loved by Allah Almighty and the Muslims, and will win Paradise insha'Allah (if GOD Almighty is Willing): "But because of their (i.e., the Jews) breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind. (The Noble Quran, 5:13)"
The Bible too claims that the Jews had corrupted the Bible: "How can you say, 'We (i.e., the Jews) are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

Now on serious note, let me explain something to those of you who want reason with me, the rest I belive you need to talk to Osama Ben Laden…!

I) Jihad and Islamic Warfare:

The word Jihad translated into English does not mean "Holy War" as people in the media ignorantly state repeatedly. In the text of the entire Koran, the word "Holy War" cannot be found. These are concocted words, invented by people who want to deliberately convey a certain image of Islam. Usually the people who use the term "Holy War" are quite ignorant of Islam. The word Jihad in Arabic means "struggle". Jihad as the Koran makes clear, is struggle in the way of God with oneself, and one's possessions.

Islam only allows a war of defense and not an offense. In the case of war, the attack is "only" to be directed against those who are attack you and only to the extent of the initial aggression, not to exceed it. If the enemy kills your civilians even then you are not supposed to kill their civilians. Only those who attack you are to be attacked.
"Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Indeed God does not love transgressors (Koran 2:192-193)."

If the people you are fighting ask for peace, the Koran states that Muslims have an obligation to accept the peace and fight no more:
"..So if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace. God allows you no way against them (KORAN 4:90)."
The Koran is very lenient even towards prisoners of war (i.e those who are fighting against you and get captured):
"And if any of the idolaters seeks of you protection, grant him (her) protection till he
hears the words of God, then convey him to his place of security. That is because they are a folk who know not..(KORAN 9:6-8)."
"How is it with you that you do not fight in God's way, when the feeble among the men,
women and children are saying, "Our lord, bring us forth from this place whose people are tyrants. O God give us from your presence some protector and helper.'(KORAN 4:75-76)."

If Hitler wasn't checked, we would have a much different and a more corrupt world. If Saddam Hussain wasn't checked, the Middle East would be in chaos similar to the current chaos in Iraq:
"..If God had not repelled some people by means of others, the earth would have been corrupted (KORAN 2:251)."

Sometimes, warfare is a necessity for the cause of justice and to remove oppression and as such it is very good and noble:
"Warfae is ordained for you though it is hateful for you. Yet it may happen that you will hate a thing even though it is good for you and love a thing that is bad for you. God knows, you don't know (KORAN 2:216)."

ii)Islam in History

The west has generally nurtured and propagated the idea that Islam spread at the point of the sword.

This reasoning led to the prejudice of Islam and Terrorism taking root in western society throughout Europe and America because of the random acts of a few misled, ill informed, in Koran terms, uneducated people who called themselves Muslims.

What the self-proclaimed Christian Crusaders did with the sword to Muslim was surpassed only by the Mongols. However, history is deliberately perverted by those having vested interests, to portray a negative image of Islam.
The Koran is explicit on the freedom of conscience:

"There is no compulsion in religion. Truth is clear from falsehood (KORAN 2:256)

"Let him (her) who will believe, and let him (her) who will disbelieve."
(KORAN 18:29).

"You are in no way a compellor over them; but warn by the Koran him who fears my threat
(KORAN 50:45)."
History gives a lie to the "fairy tale" that Islam spread by the sword:

1)Muslims ruled over Spain for 736 years. If the Muslims had used any force during those 736 years to convert the Christians to Islam there wouldn't have been a single Christian left to kick out the Muslims after 736 years of rule.

2)Over 100 million Muslims live in Indonesia, yet no Muslim army ever invaded any of its over 2000 islands. Same is the case with Malaysia, and the east coast of Africa.

Odd instances of "Muslims" not guided by the Koran, forcing people to accept their "Islam" may be found. Similar cases can be found in Christianity or any other religions group."
Charlemagne's conversion of the saxons to Christianity was not by preaching (THOMAS CARLYLE, HEROES AND HERO WORSHIP, PAGE 80)."
Bad Muslims don't condemn Islam, just like bad Christians don't condemn Christianity. Hitler was a self proclaimed Christian. Do his acts condemn Christianity?
Hitler said:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

HISTORIANS OF ISLAM

1. "History makes it clear however that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians ever repeated (DE LACY O` LEARY, ISLAM AT THE CROSS ROADS, LONDON 1923)."

2. The greatest success of Muhammad's life was effected by sheer moral force without the stroke of a sword (EDWARD GIBBON, HISTORY OF THE SARACEAN EMPIRE, LONDON 1817).

iii)Peace and Islam

ROOTS OF ISLAM
The word Islam comes from the Arabic root word salaam,, which means peace. The universal greeting of Muslims is "As Salaam o Aleykum". It means:"peace be with you." The Koran, the only book of authority on Islam encourages peace making among humankind.
"There is no good in much of their secret conferences except, him who enjoins alms giving and kindness and PEACE MAKING among mankind. Whoever does that seeking the good pleasure of God. God will bestow on him (her) a vast reward (KORAN 4:114)."
The above verse has been in the Koran centuries before the United Nations was formed.

Islam gives a world view of a close relationship between all men & women based on a common essence of creation [Koran 4:1] and only one creator God.
" O Humankind! We have created you males and females, and have divided you into nations and tribes so that you may recognize each other. The best among you in the sight of God is the one most careful [of the truth] (KORAN 49:13)."
NEWSPAPER ARTICLE

THE MIRROR

Diocese of Springfield-Cape Girardeau, Missouri.
VolXXXI, No.29 December 15, 1995

JIHAD: ORDINANCE & STRUGGLE IN GOD'S WAY
Brant W. Scheid
Muhammed A. Asadi, thinks that the Jihad ordinance, as prescribed by the Koran, is preceived often by the US public as being a "Holy War" consisting of random acts of terrorism, violence and war against those who are not Muslims.

"Jihad is misunderstood in the Western world as a 'Holy War' because of the past words and actions of a few misinformed and uneducated Islamic sects that have brought violence against the people," Asadi said.

The Koran (Qur'an), Islam's "Bible", is believed by Muslims to be Allah's (God's) word revealed to Muhammed Al-Mustafa from about 610 AD to the time of his death in 632 AD. Muslims believe that Al-Mustafa, born in 570 AD, received revelations directly from God throughout the 23-year period.

Jihad is one of the most important of several ordinances revealed to Al-Mustafa. Understood to be followed by all of humankind, the ordinance of Jihad includes the aspect of physical fighting when defending oneself or others against tyranny or oppression and the peaceful aspect, such as giving "Zakah"(money, goods and services) to the poor and needy.

Jihad can also include literary and verbal discussions and the individual's inner moral struggle. When translated from Arabic into English, Jihad becomes "Struggle". Asadi said that he understands Jihad to be the struggle in God's way as revealed in the Koran.

Asadi explained that Islamic traditionalists have come to the present day violent understanding of Jihad by associatiing with the Koran other materials written centuries after the death of Al-Mustafa.

These other writings are called Hadith and Fiqh.They are attributed to Islam but Asadi doesnt consider them correct.

Hadith is presented as the actual words of Al-Mustafa. Fiqh is presented as interpretations of "Islamic" law. Asadi explained that these writings led to the fragmentation of Islam into many sects. Each sect has a different understanding of Jihad and how the ordinance is to be properly followed.

When Asadi was asked,"Do you believe that any person belonging to the Muslim faith should attack any member,group or country belonging to any other faith, such as Christianity or Judaism, simply because of the difference of faith?" Asadi said, "According to the principle presented in the Koran, the attack could only be justified if it was done to defend one's self and it must be in the same manner, not to exceed the initial attack."

He said that Jihad includes the removal of "tyranny and oppression by defending other people who are being oppressed regardless of their faith."Retaliation is allowed only to the extent of the harm done by the aggressor. Muslims believe that if one person is killed unjustifiably, then it is as if the whole of humankind is killed. Similarly, if one person's life is saved, then the whole of humankind is saved.

Asadi said that any act of terrorism is vehemently and religiously against any true meaning of the Jihad ordinance. Jihad, as presented in the Koran is a habit that a Muslim is supposed to develop throughout his/her lifetime.

The purpose of practicing Jihad is for the establishment of world peace. Peace begins with the individual's inner moral peace and moves outward to family and community, Asadi explained.

According to Asadi, a Muslim practices true Jihad with prayer."The Koran states that we are to seek God's help in prayer and to persevere patiently and have hope in God," he said.

"Reciting verses from the Koran also helps a person become more aware of God's message and therefore more conscious of it," Asadi said.
So if you see the light by know and have the faint tightening in your heart, then I suggest that you read on the following and you make up your mind. This one is about the BIG BANG..!

In the 21st chapter, verse 30 (21:30), the Koran states:

"Do not the rejecters see that the heavens and earth were a unit joined together then we split them apart (21:30)."

Movement of Sun…and the moon,

MOVEMENT OF THE SUN

. The sun's movement is not something that is evident to our eyes or experience but requires specialized equipment. The Koran states in chapter 36, verse 39:

"And the sun constantly journeys towards a homing place for it and for the moon, We have determined phases (36:39)."

Modern science has found out that the sun rotates around its axis every 26 days . The Koran mentions the movement of the sun, with its own motion, signified by the verb Yasbahoon in Arabic. Thus according to the Koran the sun is not just flying through space but moving on its own, i.e. rotating. The sun is also continually on a journey in space towards its homing place, the solar apex, just like mentioned in the Koran (36:39). How could Muhammed have known these facts if the Koran is the product of his mind?

12. ISOSTACY AND MOUNTAIN ROOTS

The Koran states that mountains are like "tent-pegs", i.e. they have a root extending down into the earth like "anchors" and this gives stability and balance to the earth.

"Have we not expanded the earth and made the mountains as tent pegs" (Koran 78:6-7)
" We have cast into the earth anchors lest it shake with you" (Koran 31:10 etc.)

This fact was discovered less than 150 years ago by scientists and now accepted as a fundamental law in geology, the concept of isostacy. M. J Selby in a standard-text on the subject entitled "Earth's Changing Surface (Clarendon Press, Oxford 1985) states:

This is about RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD

"Nay! I swear by the day of resurrection.
Nay! I swear by the reproachful self (Super Ego?).
Does man think that We shall not gather his bones?
Yea! We are able to make complete his very fingertips….
…..What, does humankind think that they will be left to roam at will?
Was he not a drop ejaculated?
Then he was a leech-like structure.
And He (God) created and formed.
And made of him a pair, the male and the female
. What, is He (God) then not able to quicken the dead?"
Koran 75:1-40

And Human Embryology.

The Koran is known to be the first book to give microscopic details of human embryology(Koran 23:13-14 etc.), hundreds of years before the discovery of the microscope! The Koran contains information on embryology, which was not discovered till about 30 years back and certain details were new even to modern scientists but were immediately confirmed as being accurate.

The Koran mentions that at a certain stage, the developing human is like "allaqa", a leech-like clot. If you take a microscopic picture of a human embryo of days 7-12 and place it next to a picture of a leech, they both look identical. Not only do they look the same but they function in the same way too. Just like a leech derives nourishment from its host's blood, the embryo derives nourishment from the decidua or the pregnant endometrium. These facts about the Koran are well documented and listed by Keith L. Moore in his standard textbooks on embryology, books used in such prestigious institutions as the Yale Medical School.

Last and not least,

FALSIFICATION TESTS

The Koran offers what is not offered by religions, generally speaking. It offers what the scientific community demands before they even listen to any new theory, falsification tests. The Koran presents itself with tests to disprove it, if it is false.

¨ The Koran in 4:82 challenges people to find a mistake or contradiction in the book and hence disqualify it, if it is indeed a lie.

¨ The Koran talks about people and how they will behave. If they were to act contrary to how the Koran pre-told their behavior, it would be disqualified.

Muhammad had an uncle by the name of Abu-Lahab. This man hated Muhammad and was always strong in opposing him. Many years before the man died, the small chapter in the Koran documented his behavior, saying that he will be condemned and will never change! (Koran 111:1-5). All he had to do to prove the Koran wrong was say: "I am a Muslim, I change my behavior, your book is wrong." Yet he never did do it, never thought of it even though he would have loved to.

¨ The Koran claims that in a pluralistic society, the Christians would always treat the Muslims better than the Jews and Idolaters (Koran 5:85,86).

Scan the world scene where Jews, Christians and Muslims live together. Are the Jews closer to the Muslims or the Christians? The only thing the Jews have to do to disprove the Koran is to band together and treat the Muslims better than the Christians do for a little while and the Koran is disproved. However this has not happened yet.

¨ The Koran says that if it is not what it claims to be then people should produce a document comparable to it (Koran 2:23 etc).

Comparison criteria would be what I have discussed earlier: i) It should contain information, which no one knows today, but will be found out tomorrow as scientifically accurate. ii) It should contain falsification tests as the Koran. iii) It should stand the test of "forgery" and "hallucination" as the Koran does. iv) It should give "sound" scientifically testable social advice as the Koran. v) Equal the Koran on literary merits. vi) Should have God speaking in the first person as the Koran does and then pass the test of inerrancy.

In the face of all the facts that the Koran provides, it is evident that it challenges human intellect and explanation and presents itself as a challenge to traditional religion and skeptical scientists. In the light of this, let us consider this claim that it makes:

If all of humankind and the other intelligent life were to band together to produce the like of this Koran, they would not be able to, even if they backed up each other with help and support (Koran 17:89).

Now go on proof me wrong.. no need to relish in hate if you can bear no fruits from it..!

Rom 15:33 "Now the God of peace [be] with you all. Amen"
Shalom Alokum/Salam Alaikum

Posted by: Kahenn at October 13, 2005 4:30 AM

This preposterous HOW COULD you possible forget the most important second part .!

8. An Arabic-speakers-wanabee , who only heard an Arabic word an jump on it without truly knowing the meaning and the usage of it…!
9. Anyone is who ignorant enough not to pass 80/20 Ignorance test
10. Anyone who believes the Arz Esrael Theory
11. Any card caring member of Spy-on-America for Israel organization.
12. Anyone who believes Osama Ben Laden represents Islam and Muslim.
13. Anyone who abhorrently, falsely and blasphemously attacks prophets of God without expectations.
14. Anyone who believes he or she who thinks “the truth is written in stone”
15. Anyone who can’t understand the true meaning of the following Verses from the Holy Bible and The Noble Qur’an.

"If we do discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable in broad principle by everyone, not just a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosophers, scientists and just ordinary people, be able to take part in the discussion of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason- for then we would truly know the mind of God."
(Stephen W. Hawking, A Brief History of Time, 1988)

".....The nature of God, according to which he has originated humankind. There is no changing the order that God has established. That indeed is the STANDARD established order (deen al qiyyam). But most among humankind understand not
(Koran 30:30)
"Of the people of Moses (i.e., the Jews) there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. (The Noble Quran, 7:159)"
"It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to God's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of God's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers. (The Noble Quran, 5:44)"
"Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (The Noble Quran, 2:62)"

Also, according to the Noble Quran, MOST Jews are evil doers. Some of them however are peaceful and are loved by Allah Almighty and the Muslims, and will win Paradise insha'Allah (if GOD Almighty is Willing): "But because of their (i.e., the Jews) breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind. (The Noble Quran, 5:13)"
The Bible too claims that the Jews had corrupted the Bible: "How can you say, 'We (i.e., the Jews) are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

Now on serious note, let me explain something to those of you who want reason with me, the rest I belive you need to talk to Osama Ben Laden…!

I) Jihad and Islamic Warfare:

The word Jihad translated into English does not mean "Holy War" as people in the media ignorantly state repeatedly. In the text of the entire Koran, the word "Holy War" cannot be found. These are concocted words, invented by people who want to deliberately convey a certain image of Islam. Usually the people who use the term "Holy War" are quite ignorant of Islam. The word Jihad in Arabic means "struggle". Jihad as the Koran makes clear, is struggle in the way of God with oneself, and one's possessions.

Islam only allows a war of defense and not an offense. In the case of war, the attack is "only" to be directed against those who are attack you and only to the extent of the initial aggression, not to exceed it. If the enemy kills your civilians even then you are not supposed to kill their civilians. Only those who attack you are to be attacked.
"Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Indeed God does not love transgressors (Koran 2:192-193)."

If the people you are fighting ask for peace, the Koran states that Muslims have an obligation to accept the peace and fight no more:
"..So if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace. God allows you no way against them (KORAN 4:90)."
The Koran is very lenient even towards prisoners of war (i.e those who are fighting against you and get captured):
"And if any of the idolaters seeks of you protection, grant him (her) protection till he
hears the words of God, then convey him to his place of security. That is because they are a folk who know not..(KORAN 9:6-8)."
"How is it with you that you do not fight in God's way, when the feeble among the men,
women and children are saying, "Our lord, bring us forth from this place whose people are tyrants. O God give us from your presence some protector and helper.'(KORAN 4:75-76)."

If Hitler wasn't checked, we would have a much different and a more corrupt world. If Saddam Hussain wasn't checked, the Middle East would be in chaos similar to the current chaos in Iraq:
"..If God had not repelled some people by means of others, the earth would have been corrupted (KORAN 2:251)."

Sometimes, warfare is a necessity for the cause of justice and to remove oppression and as such it is very good and noble:
"Warfae is ordained for you though it is hateful for you. Yet it may happen that you will hate a thing even though it is good for you and love a thing that is bad for you. God knows, you don't know (KORAN 2:216)."

ii)Islam in History

The west has generally nurtured and propagated the idea that Islam spread at the point of the sword.

This reasoning led to the prejudice of Islam and Terrorism taking root in western society throughout Europe and America because of the random acts of a few misled, ill informed, in Koran terms, uneducated people who called themselves Muslims.

What the self-proclaimed Christian Crusaders did with the sword to Muslim was surpassed only by the Mongols. However, history is deliberately perverted by those having vested interests, to portray a negative image of Islam.
The Koran is explicit on the freedom of conscience:

"There is no compulsion in religion. Truth is clear from falsehood (KORAN 2:256)

"Let him (her) who will believe, and let him (her) who will disbelieve."
(KORAN 18:29).

"You are in no way a compellor over them; but warn by the Koran him who fears my threat
(KORAN 50:45)."
History gives a lie to the "fairy tale" that Islam spread by the sword:

1)Muslims ruled over Spain for 736 years. If the Muslims had used any force during those 736 years to convert the Christians to Islam there wouldn't have been a single Christian left to kick out the Muslims after 736 years of rule.

2)Over 100 million Muslims live in Indonesia, yet no Muslim army ever invaded any of its over 2000 islands. Same is the case with Malaysia, and the east coast of Africa.

Odd instances of "Muslims" not guided by the Koran, forcing people to accept their "Islam" may be found. Similar cases can be found in Christianity or any other religions group."
Charlemagne's conversion of the saxons to Christianity was not by preaching (THOMAS CARLYLE, HEROES AND HERO WORSHIP, PAGE 80)."
Bad Muslims don't condemn Islam, just like bad Christians don't condemn Christianity. Hitler was a self proclaimed Christian. Do his acts condemn Christianity?
Hitler said:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

HISTORIANS OF ISLAM

1. "History makes it clear however that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians ever repeated (DE LACY O` LEARY, ISLAM AT THE CROSS ROADS, LONDON 1923)."

2. The greatest success of Muhammad's life was effected by sheer moral force without the stroke of a sword (EDWARD GIBBON, HISTORY OF THE SARACEAN EMPIRE, LONDON 1817).

iii)Peace and Islam

ROOTS OF ISLAM
The word Islam comes from the Arabic root word salaam,, which means peace. The universal greeting of Muslims is "As Salaam o Aleykum". It means:"peace be with you." The Koran, the only book of authority on Islam encourages peace making among humankind.
"There is no good in much of their secret conferences except, him who enjoins alms giving and kindness and PEACE MAKING among mankind. Whoever does that seeking the good pleasure of God. God will bestow on him (her) a vast reward (KORAN 4:114)."
The above verse has been in the Koran centuries before the United Nations was formed.

Islam gives a world view of a close relationship between all men & women based on a common essence of creation [Koran 4:1] and only one creator God.
" O Humankind! We have created you males and females, and have divided you into nations and tribes so that you may recognize each other. The best among you in the sight of God is the one most careful [of the truth] (KORAN 49:13)."
NEWSPAPER ARTICLE

THE MIRROR

Diocese of Springfield-Cape Girardeau, Missouri.
VolXXXI, No.29 December 15, 1995

JIHAD: ORDINANCE & STRUGGLE IN GOD'S WAY
Brant W. Scheid
Muhammed A. Asadi, thinks that the Jihad ordinance, as prescribed by the Koran, is preceived often by the US public as being a "Holy War" consisting of random acts of terrorism, violence and war against those who are not Muslims.

"Jihad is misunderstood in the Western world as a 'Holy War' because of the past words and actions of a few misinformed and uneducated Islamic sects that have brought violence against the people," Asadi said.

The Koran (Qur'an), Islam's "Bible", is believed by Muslims to be Allah's (God's) word revealed to Muhammed Al-Mustafa from about 610 AD to the time of his death in 632 AD. Muslims believe that Al-Mustafa, born in 570 AD, received revelations directly from God throughout the 23-year period.

Jihad is one of the most important of several ordinances revealed to Al-Mustafa. Understood to be followed by all of humankind, the ordinance of Jihad includes the aspect of physical fighting when defending oneself or others against tyranny or oppression and the peaceful aspect, such as giving "Zakah"(money, goods and services) to the poor and needy.

Jihad can also include literary and verbal discussions and the individual's inner moral struggle. When translated from Arabic into English, Jihad becomes "Struggle". Asadi said that he understands Jihad to be the struggle in God's way as revealed in the Koran.

Asadi explained that Islamic traditionalists have come to the present day violent understanding of Jihad by associatiing with the Koran other materials written centuries after the death of Al-Mustafa.

These other writings are called Hadith and Fiqh.They are attributed to Islam but Asadi doesnt consider them correct.

Hadith is presented as the actual words of Al-Mustafa. Fiqh is presented as interpretations of "Islamic" law. Asadi explained that these writings led to the fragmentation of Islam into many sects. Each sect has a different understanding of Jihad and how the ordinance is to be properly followed.

When Asadi was asked,"Do you believe that any person belonging to the Muslim faith should attack any member,group or country belonging to any other faith, such as Christianity or Judaism, simply because of the difference of faith?" Asadi said, "According to the principle presented in the Koran, the attack could only be justified if it was done to defend one's self and it must be in the same manner, not to exceed the initial attack."

He said that Jihad includes the removal of "tyranny and oppression by defending other people who are being oppressed regardless of their faith."Retaliation is allowed only to the extent of the harm done by the aggressor. Muslims believe that if one person is killed unjustifiably, then it is as if the whole of humankind is killed. Similarly, if one person's life is saved, then the whole of humankind is saved.

Asadi said that any act of terrorism is vehemently and religiously against any true meaning of the Jihad ordinance. Jihad, as presented in the Koran is a habit that a Muslim is supposed to develop throughout his/her lifetime.

The purpose of practicing Jihad is for the establishment of world peace. Peace begins with the individual's inner moral peace and moves outward to family and community, Asadi explained.

According to Asadi, a Muslim practices true Jihad with prayer."The Koran states that we are to seek God's help in prayer and to persevere patiently and have hope in God," he said.

"Reciting verses from the Koran also helps a person become more aware of God's message and therefore more conscious of it," Asadi said.
So if you see the light by know and have the faint tightening in your heart, then I suggest that you read on the following and you make up your mind. This one is about the BIG BANG..!

In the 21st chapter, verse 30 (21:30), the Koran states:

"Do not the rejecters see that the heavens and earth were a unit joined together then we split them apart (21:30)."

Movement of Sun…and the moon,

MOVEMENT OF THE SUN

. The sun's movement is not something that is evident to our eyes or experience but requires specialized equipment. The Koran states in chapter 36, verse 39:

"And the sun constantly journeys towards a homing place for it and for the moon, We have determined phases (36:39)."

Modern science has found out that the sun rotates around its axis every 26 days . The Koran mentions the movement of the sun, with its own motion, signified by the verb Yasbahoon in Arabic. Thus according to the Koran the sun is not just flying through space but moving on its own, i.e. rotating. The sun is also continually on a journey in space towards its homing place, the solar apex, just like mentioned in the Koran (36:39). How could Muhammed have known these facts if the Koran is the product of his mind?

12. ISOSTACY AND MOUNTAIN ROOTS

The Koran states that mountains are like "tent-pegs", i.e. they have a root extending down into the earth like "anchors" and this gives stability and balance to the earth.

"Have we not expanded the earth and made the mountains as tent pegs" (Koran 78:6-7)
" We have cast into the earth anchors lest it shake with you" (Koran 31:10 etc.)

This fact was discovered less than 150 years ago by scientists and now accepted as a fundamental law in geology, the concept of isostacy. M. J Selby in a standard-text on the subject entitled "Earth's Changing Surface (Clarendon Press, Oxford 1985) states:

This is about RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD

"Nay! I swear by the day of resurrection.
Nay! I swear by the reproachful self (Super Ego?).
Does man think that We shall not gather his bones?
Yea! We are able to make complete his very fingertips….
…..What, does humankind think that they will be left to roam at will?
Was he not a drop ejaculated?
Then he was a leech-like structure.
And He (God) created and formed.
And made of him a pair, the male and the female
. What, is He (God) then not able to quicken the dead?"
Koran 75:1-40

And Human Embryology.

The Koran is known to be the first book to give microscopic details of human embryology(Koran 23:13-14 etc.), hundreds of years before the discovery of the microscope! The Koran contains information on embryology, which was not discovered till about 30 years back and certain details were new even to modern scientists but were immediately confirmed as being accurate.

The Koran mentions that at a certain stage, the developing human is like "allaqa", a leech-like clot. If you take a microscopic picture of a human embryo of days 7-12 and place it next to a picture of a leech, they both look identical. Not only do they look the same but they function in the same way too. Just like a leech derives nourishment from its host's blood, the embryo derives nourishment from the decidua or the pregnant endometrium. These facts about the Koran are well documented and listed by Keith L. Moore in his standard textbooks on embryology, books used in such prestigious institutions as the Yale Medical School.

Last and not least,

FALSIFICATION TESTS

The Koran offers what is not offered by religions, generally speaking. It offers what the scientific community demands before they even listen to any new theory, falsification tests. The Koran presents itself with tests to disprove it, if it is false.

¨ The Koran in 4:82 challenges people to find a mistake or contradiction in the book and hence disqualify it, if it is indeed a lie.

¨ The Koran talks about people and how they will behave. If they were to act contrary to how the Koran pre-told their behavior, it would be disqualified.

Muhammad had an uncle by the name of Abu-Lahab. This man hated Muhammad and was always strong in opposing him. Many years before the man died, the small chapter in the Koran documented his behavior, saying that he will be condemned and will never change! (Koran 111:1-5). All he had to do to prove the Koran wrong was say: "I am a Muslim, I change my behavior, your book is wrong." Yet he never did do it, never thought of it even though he would have loved to.

¨ The Koran claims that in a pluralistic society, the Christians would always treat the Muslims better than the Jews and Idolaters (Koran 5:85,86).

Scan the world scene where Jews, Christians and Muslims live together. Are the Jews closer to the Muslims or the Christians? The only thing the Jews have to do to disprove the Koran is to band together and treat the Muslims better than the Christians do for a little while and the Koran is disproved. However this has not happened yet.

¨ The Koran says that if it is not what it claims to be then people should produce a document comparable to it (Koran 2:23 etc).

Comparison criteria would be what I have discussed earlier: i) It should contain information, which no one knows today, but will be found out tomorrow as scientifically accurate. ii) It should contain falsification tests as the Koran. iii) It should stand the test of "forgery" and "hallucination" as the Koran does. iv) It should give "sound" scientifically testable social advice as the Koran. v) Equal the Koran on literary merits. vi) Should have God speaking in the first person as the Koran does and then pass the test of inerrancy.

In the face of all the facts that the Koran provides, it is evident that it challenges human intellect and explanation and presents itself as a challenge to traditional religion and skeptical scientists. In the light of this, let us consider this claim that it makes:

If all of humankind and the other intelligent life were to band together to produce the like of this Koran, they would not be able to, even if they backed up each other with help and support (Koran 17:89).

Now go on proof me wrong.. no need to relish in hate if you can bear no fruits from it..!

Rom 15:33 "Now the God of peace [be] with you all. Amen"
Shalom Alekom/Salam Ala'kum

Posted by: Kahenn at October 13, 2005 4:33 AM

Kahenn; taqqiyah doesn't work in these regions. Our eyes & ears see beyond your "Jihad means internal struggle" BS. Double-posting does not help, falsehood is still false no matter how many times you spew it.

You want the truth? Read the numerous Muslim-sponsored terrorist (pick your country) headlines in any worldwide newspaper. Substitute "Muslim jihadist" for "insurgents"...something we do must do with our current MSM. Not just after 9/11, but for the past 1400 years.

We've got your number, and the word is spreading.

Posted by: daughter of patriots at October 13, 2005 10:52 AM

Kahenne - is this what's called text overload ?

Posted by: dgene at October 13, 2005 6:20 PM

Daughter of Patriots,

Double posting was error, not intentional act..how is mart could you be..?
WHAT IS TAQQIYAH....? LIKE WHAT IS DIMMI…?
Ok so you just heard it and jump on the bandwagon.....!!!

TAQQIYAH...? or Taqiyyah..? or Tuqqaa..? Taqwaa….? WHAT IS IT….? Come on let’s how smart you…!!!!!!!!!

Which one are you referring to...! I challenge all of you if any of you tell me the roots, meaning and the usage of the word..! even if you are a native speaker Hebrew ...?

All of your intelligent..sadly not so) folks out there....it's basic anyone who with intention to kill or harm any body no matter what faith or no faith they belong to without valid reason, like self defense...IS NOT ACTIN IN THE NAME OF MUSLIM AND IS A CRIMINAL..!

Since you so smart to abrogate all sorts of screws and falsifications...I challenge you to do a little study and find the facts...! guest what that won’t happen since none of you have the mental capacity to know facts form fiction, the truth from false, furthermore, reason and logic is not within your grasp.. otherwise why are so miserably unhappy full of hate…! I don’t mean towards so called Islamic terrorists agents like Zarqawist, Zahirists, Den Lidens and rest of fellow merciless bandits…. These ruthless gang has kill and maimed more Muslims then you care and more than any people of other faiths but together…!

U have my number...! that is the traditional KKK line, no worries go on give me a call and you won't be disappointed...!
We gonna have a wonderful date, I take..!

Peace off,

Kahann...Cohen..Cahen!

Posted by: Kahenn at October 14, 2005 2:00 PM

An abundance of words cannot mask the fact that Islam stands naked as regards sincerity, integrity and truth.

Posted by: rocky at October 17, 2005 6:46 AM

Oops, I forgot to add goodwill!

Posted by: rocky at October 17, 2005 6:48 AM