Which tribe, or sect of Islam is following the (true) teachings of the Koran? In what ways do the sects differ? Also, is a moderate voice found in one more than another?

I do need to know, it may aid in study . Thanks for any help here.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at October 13, 2005 3:24 AM

Which tribe, or sect of Islam is following the (true) teachings of the Koran? In what ways do the sects differ? Also, is a moderate voice found in one more than another?

I do need to know, it may aid in study . Thanks for any help here.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at October 13, 2005 3:25 AM

If all these muslims think that taped beheading videos are 'unpalatable', then why were beheading videos out-renting porno in Baghdad?

Posted by: duh_swami at October 13, 2005 3:36 AM

Actually Mr. Spencer is incorrect in his statement, "If State's assumption that the great majority of Muslims actually finds these things un-Islamic, and not just repulsive, is indeed true, then I expect we will soon be seeing much more active opposition to jihadist violence among Muslims worldwide"

* IF * Muslims actually found such acts as repugnant as the more civilized among us do - there would already BE protests, burnings in effigy, et. al.

Since there hasn't - we must assume that the majority approve, either tacitly or overtly.

Posted by: Dreadstone at October 13, 2005 4:45 AM

Apparently the bureaucrats and appointees of the State Department were not required to study history during their university careers (assuming they attended), nor has anyone offered a seminar nor briefing or even an appropriate book on the history of Islam or even world history, for they seem to be clueless...clueless.

Worse still, they can see no cause and effect relationship between Islam and the death and destruction caused by Muslims throughout history, and certainly, they seem unable to apply the principles of analysis to determine how Islam is operating in the present. They should be swept out and replaced by others that can think...these don't. Idiots!

Posted by: epg at October 13, 2005 5:47 AM

My best buddy walked into a Dunkin Donuts/gas station combo in Thiells NY and caught the employees watching beheading clips on a laptop sitting on the front counter. They slapped it shut when he walked in but he saw enough to be sure of what they were watching. These same mutts raised their gas prices 3 times in an hour and a half when Katrina hit. That's why he went in, to do a little opining.

Just a bunch of ordinary muslims. 35 miles from the grave of the WTC.

Posted by: t-ham at October 13, 2005 6:45 AM

Massive jihadi attack in Russia

NALCHIK, Russia - Militants launched simultaneous attacks on police and government buildings in this city in Russia's turbulent Caucasus region Thursday, sparking battles involving heavy-arms fire that forced schools to evacuate and left corpses in the streets.
................
The republic's president, Arsen Kanokov, was quoted by the ITAR-Tass news agency as saying about 50 militants had been killed. Estimates of the number of attackers ranged from 60 to 300.

Posted by: Beagle at October 13, 2005 6:52 AM

Zawahiri being infinitely more intelligent than Zarqawi, and less mentally disordered than Osama, is probably concerned about the consequences of allienating the Iranians by slaughtering Iraqi Shiites.

Yesterday's Warblog on frontpagemag.com featured a couple of pages of translations of this letter. I found it somewhat interesting that, along with all of his directions to Zarqawi about conducting jihad in Iraq, he also hit Zarqawi up for money -- requesting about $100,000 as I recall, for some specific purpose. You'd think that if Zawahiri needed some dough, he'd go running to likelier resources than someone whose on the warfront in Iraq, wouldn't you?

Posted by: waterdragon52 at October 13, 2005 8:28 AM

"He said the United States released the letter so that those claiming to be speaking in the name of Islam can be seen by Muslims for what they are, in his words, perverters of that religion."
--- from the State Department spokesman, Ereli, above

Does anyone still wish to argue that this Administration knows where to put its feet and hands? Celebration of that Bush speech about "radical Islam" as opposed to some imaginary non-radical and perfectly splendid Islam was premature.

"This isn't a question of hearts and minds..."
--- from the same State Department spokesman in the article above

Oh yes it is. It is mainly a question of Infidel "hearts and minds." It is they who are threatened, and they who are mostly ignorant of Islam, and who, for all sorts of reasons -- the Cult of Tolerance and the Deep Belief That All People Are Not Only Equal (no) and Want the Same Thing (double no) but If Anyone Is At Fault It Must Be Us -- these are Articles of Faith, and it is hard to break with articles of faith. If Infidels, who for decades have failed completely to understatnd the nature of Islam, even as millions of Muslims are blandly, even warmlly, welcomed into the Lands of the Infidels, as every sort of threat and aggressive act is offered to Infidels, while those same Infidels not only manage to ignore the swelling evidence of the March of Islam, oil-revenue-funded, but keep focusing, idiotically, on one or two local expressions of a general phenomenon -- especailly the Arab war against Israel. And even that war has been wilfully misinterpreted, by a world media full of people (see the BBC, see RFI, see Le Monde, see fillinhereasyouwish) determinedly hostile to Israel, indifferent to its claims and its history, and ready to believe, or make up , and then convey to others, the worst about that small and permanently imperilled state) as a "conflict between two nationalisms, two tiny peoples, etc." It isn't. It is a classic Jihad, and before 1967, and the invention of the "Palestinian people" was less disguised for Western consumption, and again, for those who listen and do not assume, the Jihadist nature of the refusal to accept Israel, and the determination by Slow or Fast Jihad to eliminate it, should be clear.

But while the focus by the Arabs and Muslims was on the Lesser Jihad against Israel, because the wherewithal for a Greater Jihad was not yet available, when the OPEC revenues started to flow, and at the very same time, not entirely coincidentally, the unhindered flow of Muslmi migrants (Pakistanis here, Algerians there, Moroccans there, Turks there) into European countries began and grew quickly from trickle to torrent.

And the results we all see: mosques in Rome, Paris, London, and everywhere. Millions of no-go areas, where hostile Muslims, many far more hostile than their parents, and attitudes of indiffrence or in many cases complete disloyalty to the Infidel nation-state, the product both of the hostility toward all non-Muslims that is relentlessly inculcated by Islam (does no one in any government in Europe study the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira -- are they too busy running for assurances from the most plausible, smiling, and accommodating "moderate" cleric they can find, who usually turns out to be, sooner or later, as a domesticated "advisor on Muslim matters," on the government payroll?), and which reinforces the duty of loyalty owed, by Muslims, always and everywhere only to fellow Muslims.

It is this that must be understood by Infidels if they are to come up with ways to defend themselves that make sense, other than the absurd concoctions -- from programs designed to show Muslims abroad just how welcoming and Muslim-friendly the United States is (why do we want more Muslims to come here?), to programs that offer pop-music to make the United States more acceptable, rather than discussions of the limited government, enumerated powers, the Bil of Rights, the federal-state sharing of power, checks and balances, and especially the First Amendment -- Free Speech and the "marketplace of ideas," the Establishment Clause, the Free Exercise Clause. And a short course on comparative religions beamed to the world by Voice of America, and discussion of the rights of the individual to change religion, or to jettison a religion, without fear of being murdered, qwould be worth doing. But that is not what is being done. We are busy not instructing or enlightening the benighted, but playing to them, attmempting to make them like us.

And in attempting to make them like us, we participoate in the absurd presentation of Islam as a peaceful, tolerant, splendid religion hijacked, or what is it now -- "perverted" -- by those who simply act on the clear doctrines that are within Islam, with which Islam is everywhere instinct.

This nonsensical kissing has to stop.

Some display of mind, even in busy, busy, Very Important Washington.

Please. We've done nothing to deserve such idiocy.

Posted by: Hugh at October 13, 2005 8:43 AM

Waterdragon sez:

"...along with all of his directions to Zarqawi about conducting jihad in Iraq, he also hit Zarqawi up for money -- requesting about $100,000 as I recall, for some specific purpose..."

Franchise fees, mate! Biznez is Biznez!

What took you so long to figure that out?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 13, 2005 8:55 AM

The Stae Dept. knows f-all about Islam. Mo already said that there would be 73 sects in Islam and only the TRUE one survive.

That is Mo`s Prophecy and the State Dept. is corrupting the Koran. It is insulting. CAIR over to you.

Posted by: leavingtheleft at October 13, 2005 8:59 AM

Hugh,

Does anyone still wish to argue that this Administration knows where to put its feet and hands?

The administration's obsession with sending female ambassadors and representatives to Muslim governments suggests they place idealism and wishful thinking over defending American interests. Though it is repugnant to our way of thinking, signaling weakness over and over in their way of thinking to make a point about gender equity isn't getting us anywhere. Of course that's the tip of the iceberg, but symptomatic of the delusional approach.

Posted by: Beagle at October 13, 2005 9:19 AM

If you read the CENTCOM letter, you'll see a variation of the following stupid phraseology, by U.S. analysts, twice:

-their distorted interpretation of Islamic law–

Why does our national leadership continue to believe that UBL, Zawahari, Zarqawi, et al, are expressing a distorted interpretation of Islamic law?

How does this thinking enhance the ability of those entrusted with our safety to do their jobs? What ass-kissing moron is charged with perpetuating this nonsense.

"Hey, chief, here's a few more 'evil doer' catch phrases for 'ya."

No, there won't be any mass Muslim marches against those who express such "distorted interpretations of Islamic law". And the reason, so obvious to us, continues to elude so many of our "leaders".

I remember a satirical question from my years in the service:

What's the difference between the military and the Boy Scouts?

The Boy Scouts have adult leadership.

Posted by: PRCS at October 13, 2005 9:25 AM

Hugh said what is needed are "And a short course on comparative religions beamed to the world by Voice of America, and discussion of the rights of the individual to change religion, or to jettison a religion, without fear of being murdered, would be worth doing."
I say, Amen brother. Some of those things could be useful right here at home, too.
You have really come up with a new mission for the Voice of America, and one that could be useful in every country in which we broadcast.
America's strength is not in her diversity-- it is in her laws.
All we need now is someone at the VOA to take Adam Smith, The Federalist Papers, Thoms Payne's The Rights of Man, Hernando Desoto's The Mystery of Capital, and the Bill of Rights and turn them into easy to grasp sound bites to be fired around the world.

Posted by: Miss Moneypenney at October 13, 2005 9:29 AM

Hey folks,it's been a while but I'm back....I used to post as Job but I have a new address now and the last post I left dealt with a new mosque being constructed right near my hometown(near Camp David)about 20 miles away,and my wife and I are actually moving closer to it....I would like your folks expertise....1)My mother-in law,whom is a local christian leader,has recently met the new muslim leader of the of the mosque,and has been completely won over.Whenever I try to inform her of the true nature of Islam....her eyes glaze over and I get questions like.....Who is R. Spencer?,and he does'nt know this fella.We need to give these people a chance,etc.Well,they are already passing out their "literature",and working on conversions. I've tried to warn the local community, but I've been labeled an "Islamophobe",etc. I even bought her Spencer's new book,but I don't know if she will take the info to heart.All I'm getting is just plain apathy to this problem....all of this 50 miles from the capital.2)Some of the local Christians will actually make excuses for the moslems by proclaiming,"Christians used to do that to",etc.....I'm at a loss.3)The local muslims are saying all the right things,but they won't answer me when I ask them to condemn jihad,yet this still does'nt seem to make a difference.It's like the local populace is in a trancesom(sic).If I keep protesting I risk alienating myself and my family...what do I do?

Posted by: leviticus at October 13, 2005 9:53 AM

The State Department has constantly sought to take the lead in the framing of the ideological parameters of the war. In allowing it to do so the administration is boosting the profiles of Mommy Karen and Aunt Condi (the great female hope?) who will, if we are good, dutiful and unquestioning children, make plain the "better way" and lead us all, yes all, Muslims, Christian, Hindus, Buddists and transgendered Wiccans alike, into the glorious uplands of progressive political thought built upon our precious founding myth of absolute human equality.

What silly times we live in.

Posted by: Rebecca JW at October 13, 2005 9:57 AM

Leviticus writes: "If I keep protesting I risk alienating myself and my family..."

Welcome to the club.

Posted by: Rebecca JW at October 13, 2005 10:01 AM

Hugh "from programs designed to show Muslims abroad just how welcoming and Muslim-friendly the United States is." There is a high school in the midwest that is hosting a Muslim exchange student (I don't know from where; I heard about this second hand). The principal of the high school has warned all the girls to please dress conservatively so as not to offend him and also has warned the students against shaking his hand...This kind of stuff sends me into orbit--supposedly educated, mature Americans acting as if their culture is inferior and something to be embarrassed about. And what are we teaching this Muslim exchange student? Dhimmification is an easy process, at least among the educated.

Posted by: former liberal WF at October 13, 2005 10:11 AM

The posting by Leviticus above offers a new and surprising variant on mother-in-law jokes, but the unwariness, the credulity, the gullibility of all sorts of unwary Infidels won over by past masters who use personal charm (that liquid-brown-eyed sincerity, that soft-voice of sweet reason, the whole Tariq-Ramadan shtick that has been trademarked in all countries) disturbs. For his mother-in-law's unwillingness to look at the truth of Islam is a little like that of Mr. Podsnap, whose mind was made up, who simply put all disagreeables out of his mind.

Here are a few things to do.

1. Buy her "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" and get her to read some of it. Buy her "Why I Am Not a Muslim" by Ibn Warraq.

2. Print out the essay by Ibn Warraq, from the Internet, on "Islam and Fascism" -- simply google simultaneously "Ibn Warraq" "Islam and "Fascism."

3. Insist that she look at printouts, from the Internet, on the words "taqiyya" and "kitman."

4. Print out from www.dhimmitude.org a few scholarly articles listing the many disabilities under which all non-Muslims suffered.

5. Buy her a copy of "Leaving Islam" -- the testimonies of former Muslims.

6. Print out as many of the quite varied testimionies of ex-Muslims, listed by country of origin, at www.apostatesofislam.org.

7. Print out some of the exchanges that Ali Sina has had with Muslims at www.faithfreedom.org. Print out as well many of the articles on such subjects as Muhamamd as a Role Model, the Treatment of Women Under Islam, and so on.

8. Gather a digestible amount of material about the treatment of Christians, of Jews, of Zoroastrians, of Hindus, of Sikhs, of Confucians, under Muslim rule. Perhaps begin by noting that 60-70 million Hindus were murdered, over 250 years of Muslim (Mughal) rule -- that might get her attention.

9. Enlist your wife in this venture.

10. Do not stop. Whoever gets to a particular brain first, whether it is that affable, plausible, smiling pleaser whom your mother-in-law was so entranced with, with his falehoods and fables, or you, armed with the truth (which does not naturally prevail, unless presented so as to overcome the understandable desire not to accept unpleasant truths, particularly if one is unfairly being assimilated to the vicious racists of yore), is likely to prevail. You have the evidence of each passing day on your side; he has only lies about the contents of Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. Make sure she understands the doctrine of naskh, or abrogation, the relevance of the Hadith, and many of the most important events in Muhammad's life (start with 9 year old Aisha, for that is something that usually gets the attention of Infidels, and which Muslims must splutter about but cannot explain away -- and remember that Khomeini's first act was to lower the marriageable age of girls to 9).

There may be no vaccine for the avian flu. But knowledge of what is contained in Qur'an, Hadith and Sira, of what Islam means for art and science and individual freedom (not least for freedom of conscience -- does your mother-in-law know the punishment for apostasy from Islam?), and of the history of Muslim conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims, so consistent through time and space, is the best vaccine.

That vaccine is readily available. Hundreds of millions -- no, an endless number -- of doses are there for the asking. You should inoculate not only your mother-in-law, but as many others as you can, using the list above as a Starter Kit. You need to get to them first, before their minds are made up by some friendly talk at some Mosque Open House (pita bread and chicken, and baklava for dessert).

Successful long-term treatment requires not only an initial inoculation, but a series of booster shots along the way. Visits to JW may help.

And as you grapple with a sinister twist on a celebrated civilizational problem (at least if Jack Benny, George Burns, and other famous philosophers are to be believed), you might find cheering the recording of Jack Buchanan, circa 1930, singing "And Her Mother Came Too."

Posted by: Hugh at October 13, 2005 10:47 AM

Why don't the muslims go berserk and freak out over muslims killing muslims in Iraq the same way they freaked out over abu gariab and alleged desicration of the quran?

Because they hate America more than they love their own people,they hate us more than they love their own God.

JLP

Posted by: John Lee Pedimore at October 13, 2005 11:12 AM

Let’s face it, this whole opinion-journalism business is just a racket. Nobody knows squat about what’s happening, much less about what’s going to happen, and most of us some of the time, along with some of us most of the time, even have to struggle to come up with a wretched opinion.
- John Derbyshire

Myself when young did eagerly frequent

Doctor and saint, and heard great argument

About it and about: but evermore

Came out by the same door as in I went.

- Omar Khayyam (from the same Derbyshire piece)

Posted by: Rebecca JW at October 13, 2005 11:15 AM

What I really liked about the Zawahiri letter is the part where he talks about his publications and worries aloud whether he's getting through and whether his stuff isn't being lost in the switches.

Pride in journalism. Lovely.

Posted by: Rebecca JW at October 13, 2005 11:37 AM

Is Ereli a Muslim? I think he is. If so, he should know quite well (as educated Muslims who really know the Qur'an) that the Islamists aren't distorting Islam, the State Dept. is.

John Sobieski, PI
The Pedestrian Infidel Blog`

Posted by: John Sobieski at October 13, 2005 11:51 AM

Leviticus, Speaking to you as a Christian, don't be so sure people in your town aren't in a trance.

"It's like the local populace is in a trancesom(sic)."
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together
I am completely aghast at how the population is being lulled to sleep by the serpent of islam. it is because Christians think "being nice" is the be-all end-all of Christianity. The Lord told us to stay sober and awake in these times.
"Behold Satan comes as an angel of light."

Posted by: Carolyn2 at October 13, 2005 12:07 PM

Leviticus-

To add to Hugh's list:
A copy of the Freedom House Report on Saudi hate publications in US mosques.

The list of daily terror attacks (all 192 pages) from the website religionofpeace.com.

I made a short list of news items from the Muslim world using Jihadwatch and other sources for my state legislator. These news items showed the reality of life under Islamic rule, with a particular focus on Christians. A simple search here at Jihadwatch should give you lots of information. Not the entire article, just a bold headline with source and enough information to make the point of the article clear. It was quite effective. The Barnabas Fund is another good site. I'd also include information on apostacy and blasphemy laws, and the treatment of women.

Do a search on democracy and Islam. There are plenty of Muslim sources (use some who are already in the US) who say that Islam and democracy are incompatible. That might get her attention. Maybe a few quotes from CAIR representatives on how Islam is in the US to become dominant (and replace democractic prinicpals with Sharia Law) will cool her fervor.

Posted by: treehugger at October 13, 2005 12:17 PM

Thanks for the advice...I will try all.As I said,I have already purchased the PinC guide to islam,but to many people think we are "overreacting".They agree somewhat to the dangers abroad,but certainly do not think that the muslim here adhere to a "radicalized"(their word)version of islam.It got me thinking that all of these muslim "outposts" in our country are nothing more than staging centers for something much more devious,waiting for an incident that will transform our nation into a chaotic state(i.e. nuclear attack).All of these mosques will then be fortresses of jihad here in the U.S. If this scenario were to happen,(and I pray not),i.e. Paul Williams,suitcase nucs etc. the anarchy that would follow such an event would be a perfect opportunity for these local "cells" to spring into action.As far as muslims getting upset....a constant theme seems to be- ok when the infidel gets it,but outcries when the killing involves muslims.I just don't see a solution to the problem.....How does one discredit a doctrine without eliminating its ardent supporters?

Posted by: leviticus at October 13, 2005 12:22 PM

Thanks for the advice...I will try all.As I said,I have already purchased the PinC guide to islam,but to many people think we are "overreacting".They agree somewhat to the dangers abroad,but certainly do not think that the muslim here adhere to a "radicalized"(their word)version of islam.It got me thinking that all of these muslim "outposts" in our country are nothing more than staging centers for something much more devious,waiting for an incident that will transform our nation into a chaotic state(i.e. nuclear attack).All of these mosques will then be fortresses of jihad here in the U.S. If this scenario were to happen,(and I pray not),i.e. Paul Williams,suitcase nucs etc. the anarchy that would follow such an event would be a perfect opportunity for these local "cells" to spring into action.As far as muslims getting upset....a constant theme seems to be- ok when the infidel gets it,but outcries when the killing involves muslims.I just don't see a solution to the problem.....How does one discredit a doctrine without eliminating its ardent supporters?

Posted by: leviticus at October 13, 2005 12:23 PM

Thanks for the advice...I will try all.As I said,I have already purchased the PinC guide to islam,but to many people think we are "overreacting".They agree somewhat to the dangers abroad,but certainly do not think that the muslim here adhere to a "radicalized"(their word)version of islam.It got me thinking that all of these muslim "outposts" in our country are nothing more than staging centers for something much more devious,waiting for an incident that will transform our nation into a chaotic state(i.e. nuclear attack).All of these mosques will then be fortresses of jihad here in the U.S. If this scenario were to happen,(and I pray not),i.e. Paul Williams,suitcase nucs etc. the anarchy that would follow such an event would be a perfect opportunity for these local "cells" to spring into action.As far as muslims getting upset....a constant theme seems to be- ok when the infidel gets it,but outcries when the killing involves muslims.I just don't see a solution to the problem.....How does one discredit a doctrine without eliminating its ardent supporters?

Posted by: leviticus at October 13, 2005 12:24 PM

sorry about the 3 time post.... a lock up

Posted by: leviticus at October 13, 2005 12:27 PM

Sheik:

Below is the actual reference. Franchise fees, perhaps, but that assumes that Zarqawi is receiving support independent of the "central organization". And, besides, would Zawahiri really ask someone on the front lines for a hand-out at risk of draining resources away from the all-important fight in Iraq?

"The brothers informed me that you suggested to them sending some assistance. Our
situation since Abu al-Faraj* is good by the grace of God, but many of the lines have
been cut off. Because of this, we need a payment while new lines are being opened. So, if you're capable of sending a payment of approximately one hundred thousand, we'll be very grateful to you."

*Abu al-Faraj is a jihad leader who was recently captured in Afghanistan.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at October 13, 2005 12:50 PM

Sheik:

Below is the actual reference. Franchise fees, perhaps, but that assumes that Zarqawi is receiving support independent of the "central organization". And, besides, would Zawahiri really ask someone on the front lines for a hand-out at risk of draining resources away from the all-important fight in Iraq?

"The brothers informed me that you suggested to them sending some assistance. Our
situation since Abu al-Faraj* is good by the grace of God, but many of the lines have
been cut off. Because of this, we need a payment while new lines are being opened. So, if you're capable of sending a payment of approximately one hundred thousand, we'll be very grateful to you."

*Abu al-Faraj is a jihad leader who was recently captured in Afghanistan.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at October 13, 2005 12:51 PM

"They agree somewhat to the dangers abroad,but certainly do not think that the muslim here adhere to a "radicalized"(their word)version of islam."
-- from a posting above

Why do people think this? Do they think that there is a Qur'an (American edition)? A Hadith (American edition)? A Life of Muhammad (American edition)? It's the same texts, the same teachings. Some Muslims are ignorant of the full texts, and when they find out, a few are horrified and leave Islam (see www.apostatesofislam.org). Many more accept the new and awful teachings, without any trouble whatever. Some are essentially unobervant in the sense that they do not go to a mosque, but that does not mean they are not good Believers, despising Infidels and wishing them ill in every possible way.

There are differences in various sects of Islam -- those following the son-in-law, and those following the father-in-law, of Muhammad. Those who whirl as part of their prayer, or emphasize bits and pieces of mysticism (while not abjuring the Jihad). There are those who even follow so-called Islamic sects that the vast majority of Muslims regard not as Islamic at all, but as a version so sullied that to believe in it amounts to being an Infidel -- e.g. the Ahmadiyyas (Qadianis).

But whatever those differences, they are not over the necessity for Jihad to spread Islam by whatever instruments prove, at any time, most effective, nor about the need to dominate, and subjugate, the world to Islam and to Muslims.

And in this respect, the most important one for Infidels, there is no "American" Islam. There is no "European" Islam. There is only Islam.

Posted by: Hugh at October 13, 2005 12:52 PM

The assumption though is false.
That Islam is a religion of peace is WRONG.

The islamic terrorists and all of its followers are doing EXACTLY what the Koran dictates.

Warn your enemy three times

Invite them to become muslims.

Tell them to pay the jizra poll tax (Protection money)

Force them to submit to islam

or
Wipe them OUT....

Period no negotitations (How can you negotitate with an islamic terrorist who has been told) he will go to heaven for killing infidels?

Answer
YOU CANT!!!!

Wake up People before its too late...

Posted by: jingoist at October 13, 2005 12:54 PM

Leviticus-
Get a copy of the Muslims Thinkers Society video in NYC.....that shows them proclaiming their loyalty to Islam alone, and trampling on the American flag.
Get a copy of the video in London, that shows "integrated" muslims screaming for Jihad.
I don't have time to look up the addresses right now, but others on this site might have them.

Or, if you really want to show her the face of the enemy-go to michaelsavage.com and have her watch Nick Berg's beheading video. I only LISTENED to the video, and I had nightmares for weeks. It was horrible beyond belief.

However, if she has a weak heart, I don't recommend it.

Posted by: treehugger at October 13, 2005 1:25 PM

Leviticus-
Get a copy of the Muslims Thinkers Society video in NYC.....that shows them proclaiming their loyalty to Islam alone, and trampling on the American flag.
Get a copy of the video in London, that shows "integrated" muslims screaming for Jihad.
I don't have time to look up the addresses right now, but others on this site might have them.

Or, if you really want to show her the face of the enemy-go to michaelsavage.com and have her watch Nick Berg's beheading video. I only LISTENED to the video, and I had nightmares for weeks. It was horrible beyond belief.

However, if she has a weak heart, I don't recommend it.

Posted by: treehugger at October 13, 2005 1:25 PM

Why do people think this? - Hugh

Only because they want to think it. That's enough.

We're surrounded by asinine pc assumptions at every turn. Tolerance in and of itself is filling the vacumm morality left behind. Truth was abandoned long ago.

What is reality? What is true? Everything has been deconstructed into nothing, and so we are left with a hollow society filled with hollow men.

Nothing needs no defending because it is nothing.

Posted by: Rebecca JW at October 13, 2005 1:35 PM

t-ham(re: your post of Oct. 13):

Your friend from Thiells, NY should notify the FBI concerning the activities of those at the donut shop/gas station - their viewing beheadings on their laptop and their illegally raising gas prices (it is illegal to raise prices three times in one day). This should be reported immediately!

Posted by: commonsense at October 13, 2005 1:47 PM

Hugh:

You must have forgotten those allegations that were floating around -- I'd say about the time that Freedom House started issuing reports about materials found in US mosques funded by the Saudis although that may have been coincidental -- about there being an edition of the Quoran that was forged by the Zionists.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at October 13, 2005 2:13 PM

Leviticus,

Welcome back! Here is a link to the Islamic Thinkers Society's Flag desecration party.

http://www.podcastworld.net/media/podcastworld/american_muslims_desecrate_flag.wmv

Good luck!

Posted by: Infidel at October 13, 2005 2:13 PM

As an aside,
This is a very good article on the foundation of modern Islamism:
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SR3404

Posted by: Ariel at October 13, 2005 2:24 PM

I shot at an Osama effigy once in an NYPD range.

It turned out to be for great justice in the end, to my good fortune. Attracted some attention, anyway.

Posted by: Issac Ali Kharish at October 13, 2005 3:05 PM

Hugh, in advising leviticus on his problem with his mother-in-law being seduced by a local mosque leader's "moderate" Islam, wrote: "You have the evidence of each passing day on your side; he has only lies about the contents of Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira."

Unfortunately, Hugh is simplifying the problem. That Muslim mosque leader does NOT "only" have these lies on his side. He also has the dominant PC culture in America on his side -- and that PC gas is precisely what leviticus's mother-in-law (and the majority of his community, apparently, from what leviticus says) has been breathing in for years now, not only through the more obvious nozzles such as the Oprah show, but far more subtle and insidious sources as well, which it would take years to analyze and adumbrate they are so multifarious and complex.

Against that dominant PC culture, leviticus, armed with all those books and articles Hugh recommends, will not have much of a chance with most people, and the majority who now brand him as an "Islamophobe" will only be reinforced in their prejudice.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at October 13, 2005 4:15 PM

treehugger said to leviticus: "have her watch Nick Berg's beheading video"

Give her all the references that people suggested, but I'll bet it won't change her mind. The sweet and smooth operators she is dealing with will seem to be the opposite of what the violent truth portrays. She'll come back and tell you "But he said he is against terrorism committed anywhere against innocent people", "He quoted the Qur'an saying that killing one person is the same as...bla bla bla", "They accept Jesus as one of their prophets", etc.

Not everyone can face the truth. If the jihadists fool a few elderly church goers, it's not the end of the world.

Posted by: special_guest at October 13, 2005 4:41 PM

Note how Al Qaeda is following the example of the founder of Islam:

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

12 October 2005: With a distinctly different flair than the last few weekly broadcasts, the third al Qaeda “news broadcast” Voice of the Caliphate is about to be distributed over the terrorist forums worldwide within the next 24 hours. This 27-minute, 45-second segment was released within the last 18 hours and appears to be set in a newsroom stage, different than previous programs.

An extensive review of this week’s broadcast shows the news commentator seated at a table, minus the automatic weapon but with a glossy backdrop and all of the transitions and special effects of a professional news program. He was wearing a red and white checkered head scarf, noted to be traditionally worn by the citizens of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and some areas of Jordan and Iraq.

Behind the announcer, a world map was noted; the Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF) logo appeared at the top left corner of the screen, opposite a computer monitor on the right where various images from different news stories were broadcast. A number of logos belonging of various terrorist organizations including al Qaeda, the Izz-al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the Mujahidin Army, the al-Qaeda Organization in the Land of the Two Rivers, and the Islamic Army in Iraq also appeared on-screen.(See the first image capture above).

The masked announcer opened the broadcast by welcoming the mujahidin into Ramadan and provided various headlines, including the announcement of “deadly blows to the American and international forces in Afghanistan” and “abundant mujahidin victories throughout all of Iraq." He reported on two films entitled "And the Ummah Rejoices," released by the Izz-al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, and the most recent release from Ansar al-Sunnah Army's called "Judgment: Between the Saints of the Merciful and the Minions of the Devil," also including a 30-second clip from this film.

News of attacks using booby-trapped vehicles against the police and the army continued in various areas of Iraq, also quoting Abu-Abd-al-Rahman al-Iraqi stating that "the work of jihad in Iraq is entering a new era in correspondence with the failure of the infidel American scheme of democracy in Iraq." The announcer also reported on the beheading of two American "soldiers," saying that the US refused to release female Muslim captives in the enemy's jails after Abu Musab al Zarqawi's group had given them 24 hours to do so. He added that "the soldiers were killed in a manner to soothe the hearts of the believers," and that they were "slaughtered according to the technique of the prophet's companions." Another gruesome beheading was shown, complete with the audio cries of the victim to the celebratory chants of the terrorists.

Also shown was a short clip of "the destruction of an American armored vehicle."

Other news included "the blessed jihadist operations in Afghanistan," where he stated that "jihadist operations were occurring on an almost daily basis," and that "Taliban, under the leadership of Mullah Muhammad Umar, announced its strong reemergence on the Afghani arena, after organizing the ranks and amassing the soldiers." The announcer referenced the film created by Al-Sahab productions entitled "The War of the Oppressed, Defeating the Cross," and quoted "the leader of the US Forces in Afghanistan when he said that the jihad Taliban movement now poses a great threat."

The masked announcer also reported on Egypt's Husni Mubarak's being sworn in for his fifth term as president, noting that “most Egyptians believe that Husni Mubarak is seeking to pass down the presidency to his son Jamal Mubarak as his son does, in fact, control the country through his leadership of the policy secretariat of the ruling party." Videos of Mubarak in the Egyptian parliament were shown during this segment.

Posted by: Abby at October 13, 2005 4:47 PM

What were the commercials like? Did you see the ad for Ali Baba's Big Burka Bazaar or the one for Mohammed's Artillery and Surplus Rocket shop?

Posted by: John Sobieski at October 13, 2005 6:15 PM

Just listen to what the Islamites are saying:

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?menuID=2&subID=46

http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/transcript_1883.asp

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 13, 2005 8:10 PM

More grist for the mill:

"We in al-Qaeda organisation announce that there is no truth to these claims, which are only based on the imagination of the politicians of the Black [White] House and their slaves," the statement said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4339912.stm

Posted by: leavingtheleft at October 13, 2005 11:06 PM

When is the State Department, and indeed the American government, going to stop making excuses and apologies for Islam?

Isn't it a first in history for the attacked to busy itself making so many excuses for the attackers? I can think of no other example in the history of the world!

Do we hear Muslims saying that Al-Qaeda and their ilk are perverting 'the real Islam'? I don't think so; certainly not in large numbers.

Why doesn't the State Department let Muslims say what Islam is and what Islam isn't? That would make infinitely more sense!

Posted by: Mark at October 14, 2005 7:51 AM

When is the State Department, and indeed the American government, going to stop making excuses and apologies for Islam?

Isn't it a first in history for the attacked to busy itself making so many excuses for the attackers? I can think of no other example in the history of the world!

Do we hear Muslims saying that Al-Qaeda and their ilk are perverting 'the real Islam'? I don't think so; certainly not in large numbers.

Why doesn't the State Department let Muslims say what Islam is and what Islam isn't? That would make infinitely more sense!

Posted by: Mark at October 14, 2005 7:53 AM

When, Mark asks will State stop speaking on behalf of Islam and let them speak for themselves?

When State gets rid of all the Arabists on the payroll and the Admin gets shed of the likes of Grover Norquist.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at October 14, 2005 11:10 AM

It has long been a question for me: Why don't Muslims in the United States take to the street and protest terrorists?

I think it is because they, silently, quietly, support the terrorists.

I've read the statements they issue, but their religion allows (mandates) them to lie in just this sort of situation.

I believe what they do, not what they say.

Posted by: thgrant at October 15, 2005 10:02 PM