The anti-Christian Socialist government of Spain is not going to fight iT (islamic-Terrorism). Too busy hating Christians. The government was elected for the purpose of appeasing the iTs.

Those Spanish cowards who capitulatee when they got bombed (Madrid bombings and the election of pro-Terror and Sodomite Socialist governtment) are hopeless.

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Wacko Jacko is moving to dar al-muhammadianism.

Could this have something to with the fact muhammadanism is a RoP (RoPedohilia)?

Maybe he might like to watch those young boys kidnapped or bought from the sub-continent racing camels?

Jackson flees United States for new life in Arab state

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2121362005

RAYMOND HAINEY

DETHRONED King of Pop Michael Jackson has quit the United States permanently for a new home in the Arab state of Bahrain, it was revealed yesterday.

The news was revealed after Jackson - acquitted on child sex abuse charges in June - was called for jury service in Santa Barbara, California.

The jury service papers were delivered to his luxurious mansion, Neverland - but there was no-one home.

Jackson's lawyers have now filed paperwork for a deferment of jury duty based on the fact that the singer now lives abroad.

Jackson and his three children, Prince Michael, Paris and Prince Michael II, fled to the oil-rich state by private jet at the end of June.

He has been living in a palace owned by Prince Abdulla bin Hamen Al Khalifa, the son of Bahrain's King Hamad and a long-time friend of Jackson's brother Jermaine.

Jackson has taken to wearing traditional Arab robes and headgear to avoid attracting attention to himself and to fit in with local culture.

In August, Jackson was seen in Dubai, where he was shown around the United Arab Emirates city by King Hamad's son, Mohammed bin Sulayem.

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IC

Posted by: Informed Christian at October 21, 2005 5:45 PM

Doesn't that guy belong in a burka?

Posted by: jsla at October 21, 2005 5:48 PM

Jackson and his three children, Prince Michael, Paris and Prince Michael II, fled to the oil-rich state by private jet at the end of June.
Those poor children, they are not MJ's children any more than I am. Now to be raised in that place.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at October 21, 2005 5:55 PM

Damm you IC,

You've taken a perfectly good thread and hijacked it by bringing up el sicko. Oh well, if you can't beat'em, join'em.

I can't wait to see the faces of the Bahrainians when sister Janet comes over for a visit and has a burka malfunction during an impromptu concert.

Now that Michael is wearing spacious Arab robes, he can now have his young friends permenantly besides him and no one will be the wiser. This is why he will always be smiling while in Bahrain.

Jackson has always been fascinated with camel racing, and intends to open a live-in school for aspiring jockeys behind his palace. He says that his personalised one on one training method is guarenteed to have camels running for their lives. Run Humpy Run!

Posted by: William The Crusader at October 21, 2005 7:02 PM

As a Spanish, I understand perfectly well what you are saying but foreign people really can not know what the days before and after the bombings were. But not because of the bombings in itself.

The movement had been prepared for a long time. Demonstrations issued by PSOE and IU (Socialists and Communists) were held each weeks in some part of the cities. For example, I was called "you son of a bitch that vote PP and wants the war in Iraq", by people with PSOE flags who did not knew me at all, and have not seen me in my whole life, nearly 9 months before the attacks. All the TVs and 90% of the radios and newspapers smiled at the "demonstrators" (that broke shop windows, assaulted great department stores and even hit PP politians), without any punishment. ZP sid afterwards in the 11M Commission that he could not condemn those actions because they were a exercise of the freedom of speech.

International press was not better. Its influence was greater when American actors, especially, spoke against the invasion, Bush and Aznar. Especially insulting for a lot of Spaniards was the role played by Spanish film director Almodovar, that denounced a coup d'état, that never happened before more than 100 international media when he was presenting his new film. Some people stated they were going to accuse him and carry him in front of justice, and as a coward, he just asked for forgiveness. But he was not made do it in front of all the media that attended that meeting. While recieving the Oscar he could only say "I ask for peace in the world", he attended a lot of demostrations in which Bush and Aznar and their supproters were called sistematically "murderers".

In every program (even the ones about famous people) they were sending a message: "If you are modern and democratic, you will be against this illegal, unjust and illegitimate war, that is carried out only because of Iraq oil. Only Franco supporters are going to vote for it, Aznar is a puppet of Bush, and he is not listening to public opinion". This was one day, and the next. In my family for example, we do not see the TV (any TV) and we only listen to two radio stations and read 2 newspapers. The other media are so well with the Governement that you could never have a good meal after listening, reading or watching them. The impressive thing is that more than 9 million and a half voted for PP and we are all in this situation.

The only real vehicle of freedom of expression is Internet, and now the Government is intending to introduce a journalist card (only people with that card would be able to have a media, including blogs), because for many months we have only had important and accurate information through the net.

The last polls, however, show that Socialists are losing support very quickly. They are intending to change the tendency by taking some controversial measures, such as Carrillo (A communist leader that without any type of criminal process, sent to death nearly 7.000 Spaniards in November 1.936 because they were not Communists and were Catholics) was made Doctor honoris causa by one of the Universities of madrid, whose Rector is a known Socialist, and whose brother has been the star anchor for many years in radio cadena Ser, and a fierce fighter for Socialists.
http://www.spainherald.com/2005-10-21news.html#1803
There are also some very odd and stupid interviews that ZP (that is Zapatero Presidente) has made to some magazines (marie claire is the last one). He says that is a convinced "red" -expression used in Spain to call the Communists and Socialists in the Civil War- and that the right has not taught him anything. You can read more here:
http://www.spainherald.com/1770.html

A lot of people really voted for him convinced (ejem, manipulated) and thinking they were doing a great service to Spain. A lot of them are now totally mad, but there is nothing to do, but to demonstrate. There has been three great demonstrations during the past 9 months, none of them with a lot of cover from the Press, even if the first (for ETA victims) had an attendance of nearly 60.000 poople with ANY but one radio making propaganda of it, the second, more than a million (for terrorism victims and No to a negotiation with ETA) and nearly 2 million (against homosexual weddings).

The press (mainly international, but also national) continued its work the 1st year: they were ever inteviewing in the next months Pilar Manjón, as if she could be the only to represnt the victims of the bombings. While her association only has a very little number of victims, this woman, mother of one of the murdered, and convinced Communist, was ever in the news. This woman stated days before declaring in the 11-m Commission: "The murderers are Aznar and Bush and Blair, the murdered are people from the working class, just as we are -he was in the union meeting-. The bombs always kill working people, the people who votes for Aznar and want this war are the rich, and they are not killed, because they are going in Audi's".

The 11-M commision: everything (or nearly) that was said there was a total lie,the truth or, at least the way to it, sistematically silenced by the normal media. Again only very few have denounced the situation.

"The commission investigating the March 11, 2004 bombings in Madrid officially declared the end of the phase of gathering testimony and the beginning of the phase in which conclusions are to be reached; the debate over those conclusions will occupy much of June. The PP's written request of last month for more testimony in order to clear up what they believe is still unknown about the bombings was again rejected by the other political parties with the exception of the moderate Catalanists, CiU, who abstained again. After the rejection of the PP's request, an agenda for the conclusions phase was unanimously agreed upon.
Three more requests for documents were filed, including a repeated demand for the complete transcription of the Socialist party member Fernando Huarte's conversation in autumn 2004 in the Villabona prison with the convicted Islamist terrorist Abdelkrim Bensmail, linked to one of the March 11 leaders. The administration refused to supply this document, already partially published in the press, alleging that doing so must be authorized by the court".

The connections with PSOE, never investigated, are several:
*Mouhannad Almallah Dabas, a member of the Socialist Party until last Friday and a suspect in the March 11, 2004 bombings, continued "allegedly obtaining funds illicitly in order to support Islamist terrorist activities" after his first arrest on terrorism charges a year ago while a Party member, according to Judge Juan del Olmo. Del Olmo considers it proven that Almallah Dabas had helped Amer Azizi, Al Qaeda's leader in Europe, escape from Spain. Azizi has been under an international arrest warrant signed by Judge Baltasar Garzon for his links with the Al Qaeda cell broken up by police in November 2001. Almallah was freed by Del Olmo on bail in March 2004 after his first arrest. Del Olmo jailed Almallah, a Spaniard of Syrian origin, on Monday on charges of belonging to a terrorist organization and sheltering several of the March 11 bombers. Almallah also supplied several persons, among them possibly Azizi, with false identification papers.
*or this one (with the Police):
"The Tunisian, "The Chinese," and Alekema Lamari were named by security forces as the alleged masterminds of the March 11 conspiracy. The three appear on the videotape claiming responsibility for the Madrid bombings. So far we had known that "The Tunisian" was being watched by National Police agents and "El Chino" was under surveillance by the Civil Guard. Yesterday the newspaper El Mundo reported that a Syrian agent of the Spanish secret service, the CNI, known as "El Pollero," had been observing Lamari since he left prison in 2002. The administration did not inform the court of this fact until September 16, 2005.This revelation tightens the circle on what really happened to the terrorists who committed suicide in a Lavapies apartment.
*and lastly:
Eduardo Zaplana, People's Party (PP) parliamentary spokesman, will today call for the commission investigating the March 11, 2004 bombings in Madrid to gain access to Socialist Fernando Huarte's telephone records between March 11 and 14, 2004, in order to determine whether the Socialist Party (PSOE) received secret information about the bombings before that news reached the Aznar administration. Allegedly, thanks to that information, the PSOE accused the Aznar administration of lying to the people between the day of the bombings and the day of the general election, won by the PSOE. Huarte, a PSOE member who worked for years as an agent for the CNI, the Spanish secret service, visited a March 11 terrorist both before and after the bombings. Zaplana added that if the PSOE has nothing to hide, it should support the PP's request.

I am sorry for the lenght of the post but I guess these things are not published in the interbational press.

Posted by: blueslord at October 21, 2005 7:59 PM

"town of Tudela."
-- from the article above

This Tudela, in Navarre, in which the Spanish police have found, in a false ceiling, forged passports and videocassettes with Jihad propaganda, must be the same Tudela from which came Benjamin of Tudela, who made it all the way to Jerusalem, and whose account, first in Hebrew and then later translated into Latin, made him one of the most important European travellers of the Middle Ages.

How different the contributions of Benjamin of Tudela, and those others, whose contribution to European and world civilization consists of those forged passports, those videotapes, those Arabic-language writings -- writings about what we can all guess.

Posted by: Hugh at October 21, 2005 8:42 PM

The Spanish didn't vote out the incumbent Aznar Government because of cowardice. It was because of the cover up job that Aznar and his cronies did over the fact that Al Qaida had committed the atrocity, insisting right up to the last minute that the bombings had been done by ETA. An ETA massacre would have been much more convenient for that Government than the new and far more terrifying threat of AQ on Spanish soil. The Spanish were indignant that the Government lied and lied until they could no longer lie. The war on Iraq was very unpopular from the beginning with Spaniards. Aznar went against the wishes of the electorate, he lied and he paid the price in the ballot box. That's how democracy works. My theory is that Spain was a target of AQ more for their twisted revenge for the fact that Muslims were expelled by Catholics from its territory than for anything else. The fact that even after the electorate had voted in the anti war Zapatero, these maniacs were apprehended as they were planning yet more atrocities seems to bolster my theory.

Posted by: londongirl at October 22, 2005 5:11 AM

In America , Islam has had trouble gaining a real foothold. But Islam’s dictation to American Muslims is the same as illustrated by Omar Ahmad, the Council on American/Islamic Relation’s spokesman, when he publicly stated: "Those {Muslims} who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam...Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/BarbaraStock51020.htm

Posted by: leavingtheleft at October 22, 2005 7:43 AM

RE: The Spanish didn't vote out the incumbent Aznar Government because of cowardice. It was because of the cover up job

There was no cover up. The "cover up" theory was fostered by the Socialists to get back in power.
ETA has been a problem for years and the first inclination is to suspect them.

Posted by: learjet0450 at October 22, 2005 10:21 AM

That story of the cover up is very good. Especially when Mr. Rubalcaba, the Socialist speaker in Parliament the day before the elections, in an action totally forbidden by the Electoral Spanish Law, said, "Spain does not deserve a liar Governement". Aznar Governement had opened the papers of the investigation to show his Governement was not lying to people. Rubalcaba in the same declaration, said that the Governement did not open ALL the papers, that some of them were not there. Now, how someone who is on the opposition, knows about the confidential papers of security? Asked afterwards about this thing, he said that he had that feeling. Really, does it make sense that only by a feeling you accuse the Government the day before the elections of lying?

What is more as I said yesterday, there are a lot of curious connections between people related to the Socialist Governement and the terrorists. And lookin to Tudela, there was last year a very rare murder of two civil guards there that police said they were killed by a madman, but the experts said that it was more the way of a professional in a paid killing. No madman can shot at 125 km/h to two people inside a car. At least there are several coincidences, that Mr Zapatero told the nation were just the consequence of chance.

Besides, the terrorists of the 11S and the 7J commited suicide, while the 11M terrorist did not ... till 7 days after, killing a police officer whose corpse was later desecrated Muslim-way in the cemetery. But the 13M Cadena Ser (the principal radio in Spain) said that there was a "suicide terrorist, with the head shaved and three slips, that way all the Muslim terrorists commit suicide, but the Government have said nothing". Well, later that day the doctor in charge of the investigation said that there was NO evidence of suicide bombers. And today nobody speakes about that real lie because cadena Ser is favourable to the Governement.

Posted by: blueslord at October 22, 2005 11:26 AM

Blueslord, welcome, I am not the unique spanish here, it´s interesting seeing more people here because in Spain we have many work in these chapters.
The 3/11 isn´t an Al-Qaeda operation but a moroccan secrets service, for example we have a link of Morocco that is free there although the official police in Morocco says that he is unknown. In addition the two last phones of the suicides of Leganes are to Morocco and this country don´t want to say, where?.
Mandari, an oppositor to Mohamed VI said that he knew the "truth" about 3/11 and he was killed in a parking in Malaga some days later, and the Zapateros´goverment didn´t research nothing.
Respect ETA, four days before, a van with 500 kilos of dynamite was aprehended, the first thought was ETA, until we don´t know if ETA was an actor in the history. I have my theory.

Posted by: Franze at October 22, 2005 5:43 PM

Hugh,

Yes the very same as Benjamin. I read his travel book. The only source for Iranian/Persian Jews of his day.

blueslord/Franze,

Good to hear from you guys. I read the news posts you pasted. Also, por favor visitan el foro español del FFI: http://spanish.faithfreedom.org/forum
Gracías muchas. :-)

Posted by: Ibn Rushd at October 22, 2005 8:42 PM

It seems that both sides in Spain, both "left" and "right," are doing some forgetting in regard to Spain's pro-Arab policy. The Left had a civil war song complaining about how Franco had brought Moors into the country to kill fellow Spaniards.
"Lucharon contra los moros, rumbala, rumbala..."
Now, the Left forgets how the Arabs/Muslims fought for their enemies and slaughtered muchos espanoles. To judge the deportment of the Moorish troops, consider what they did in Italy towards the end of the war as part of the Allied forces [see, por ejemplo, Alberto Moravia's Two Women].
On the other hand, the "right" forgets that Franco brought in Moorish troops in the civil war; and after WW2, played up to the Arab League, even sending an observer to an early meeting of the League. He supported the Arabs against Israel and sold them weapons. Nasser visited Spain and one of the Algerian head honchos symbolically placed Spain in the "Third World," which was much appreciated by Franco, who considered it a compliment. Then, in the 1970s, the Left or Socialists took over Spain and continued Franco's pro-Arab policy. And see how Spain was rewarded? Vean el Once de Marzo!

Posted by: Eliyahu at October 23, 2005 6:07 AM

Hello Franze, it's good to see I am not alone in this difficult task.

Eliyahu:

What you say is plainly true. But there are two things that you forget:

a) since the fall of comunism, the left have been searching for new ideas to counterbalance both capitalism and freedom and to obtain the victory ofter them. And it has forgot every other consideration. The actual example is the leftist homosexual community in Spain that does not condemn Cuban regime because of their treatment to homosexual people there, while telling everyone that Spain was not a fair place to live for them before the homosexual matrimony (if we can call it like that...). Why? Cuban is COMMUNIST dictatorship. So, they think that all the problems come from USA and everything is solved: they do not have a reason even to discuss with Castro over it.

b) secondly, the right in Spain nowadays has very little in common with Franco. In fact, Franco's supporters now are a very reduced group. The problem, I think, is the information, as for many years the Moors were pictured as a very fashionable and rich culture.

And you have to take two things into account:

a) Spain had at that time a part of Sahara, and their inhabitants were as Spanish as one from Valladolid and Zaragoza. Ferdinand VI (XVIIIth century), in a treaty with Portugal, changed a part of Paraguay (that of the Guarany Indians) to obtain that part of the Sahara (thar is the story told in "The Mission"). And as a result, that Moors held a role in Civil War, as well as some sent from Morocco (Mohamed V, grandfather of today's ruler) as an ally of Franco.

b) Name me one Muslim condemned after World War II because of the role they held in thar war as allies of Hitler (for example, if I am not mistaken, the uncle of Arafat). There were NONE. Today there are a lot of books abot "the final solution" of Hitler, but the role played there by the Moors, it's normally driven to oblivion. So it is not a problem only of Spain.

Ibn Rush:
Thanks: if I have a little time, I promise I am going to visit it.

Posted by: blueslord at October 23, 2005 1:12 PM

Blueslord,
The Arab nationalist movement was overwhelmingly pro-Nazi, with a few exceptions such as Bourguiba.
The British-appointed Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin el-Husseini, lived in Berlin for most of the war, got a subsidy from the Nazi government, organized European and Soviet Muslims to fight for the Nazis [including Bosnian Muslims], and urged the Germans to kill more Jews faster. He was not the uncle of Arafat but a distant relative. Faisal Husseini's father worked closely with HIS uncle who was this same Amin el-Husseini. Amin el-Husseini sent letters to the German govt and to officials of the Axis countries of Bulgaria, Rumania, and Hungary, protesting against plans to let Jews leave the Nazi-fascist domain. He urged that Jewish children be sent to Poland [the location of Auschwitz] where, he said, they would be "under active supervision."
Blueslord is right to say that the Mufti was never prosecuted by the Allies for his pro-Nazi, pro-Holocaust role.

Posted by: Eliyahu at October 23, 2005 2:03 PM

Eliyahu:
I knew there was a relationship with some of those guys, I remember reading about it. It is very welcome.
I confess I never was very interested in these problems till I saw a very modern video in which Arafat called for Jihad. If someone like that had been received at UN as a magnificent hero, the problem is wider than considered at first thought. Even today there are youngsters that walk through the streets with the Palestinian handkerchief, and that is for me, the first sign of a nearly dead society.
And I repeat, the fact that Hitler (not Stalin or the Arabs) is considered the only ideologue of that solution, is not good for the world today, as everyone considers Hitler as a demon, but the other two, being equally murderous, are instead considered as very good people.
And about the Socialist Government what about this "magnificent" news?
Tariq Ramadan is going to be in Madrid for a conference about the dialogue between civilizations:
http://www.fundacionatman.org/index.php?s=comunicado_prensa
This "expert" is the one who said that the Twin Towers, among others, were legitimate objectives. This is the program:
http://www.fundacionatman.org/index.php?s=agenda
The vicepresident of this Foundation, Teresa Aranda, is the wife of Juan Luis Cebrián, one of the delegate members of PRISA, the communication holding that is favorable to Socialists and that owns Cadena Ser Radio and newspaper El País, amongst other media.

Posted by: blueslord at October 23, 2005 2:59 PM

Blueslord -- Thank you for your superb posts -- I need to see more of these kinds of thoughts expressed from our friends in Europe -- There has been a near COMPLETE blackout from voices in Europe expressing ideas that differ from the pablum we normally hear from the intellectual elite and leftist power structure. Your contending with truly monumental forces --

I believe you are right correct about your "nearly dead society..."
-- to see so many Westerners (in America too, my friend...) blithely accepting the lies and distortions about the Islamic Jihad (wearing the kafiya in sympathy for the "Palestinians," or arguing that the terrorists are "freedom fighters" and forgiving their atrocities by accepting their blatantly anti-US or anti-Western pretexts )

We are in deep trouble here against an insane, irrational, but malignantly successful ideology -- they know how to further their goals -- and Muslims prove themselves daily to be utterly immune to reason, and allergic to progress and reform...

I now believe that extremely harsh measures must be taken to salvage our future from their evil grasp -- but I am sad to think that by the time most other Westerners agree with me it will be far too late for us to mount a credible fight against their swelling menace...

Posted by: jsla at October 23, 2005 3:26 PM