'jihad doctrine taught early on to Palestinian children may have repercussions.'~ JW

Shall we change that a bit?

'islamic culture (teaching about islam) taught early on to public-school children may have repercussions.'

'islamic culture (Middle-East studies) taught early on to college students may have repercussions.'

Spreding Islam in Public Schools
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2236

http://www.islamicedfoundation.com/public.htm

http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/Articles/Pipes-2004-11-24.asp

Oh wait, I forgot: informing the public about this is engendering 'hatred and bile' towards leftists.

Posted by: Gary at October 23, 2005 11:45 AM

Gary,

'jihad doctrine taught early on to Palestinian children may have repercussions.'~ JW

My choice of words was in line with the article concerning violence being perpetuated by Palestinian children. However, your point is well taken.

Sincerely,

Eric

Posted by: Eschwapp at October 23, 2005 11:54 AM

Ah, the law of unintended consequences.
Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people (snicker).

Posted by: treehugger at October 23, 2005 12:03 PM

Eschwapp~ Sorry, 'twas no reflection on your wording, but the response from some notables that such a point gets- kj and nariz being the prime example.

Much of what is taught in the US and elsewhere May be totally straightforward and Innocent (?), but we can't account for every single teacher's thinking.

Posted by: Gary at October 23, 2005 12:05 PM

There was never a doubt in my mind about how things would turn out with these children who have been weaned, literally on incitement, violence, hatred etc.

Ambush and Murder is in their blood.

Posted by: Kemaste at October 23, 2005 12:14 PM

A great documentary on this

http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunday/feature_191003.html

Absolutely chilling stuff.

Posted by: TooBad at October 23, 2005 2:01 PM

TooBad:

Some may find it interesting that the host of that documentary series "The Passionate Eye" is Michaelle Jean. Ms. Jean has just been sworn in as the Goveror General of Canada. What does this mean? Stay tuned, we'll soon find out.

Posted by: johnb at October 23, 2005 2:30 PM

I think this incident may be taken out of context. For example, what exactly was the teacher (who was hit in the head by his or her student with a sharp object and severely injured) teaching the class when the incident took place?

Could he or she have been expressing doubts that such blessed Qur'an quotes as these are still valid in today's world:

Qur’an 4:89 “But if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”

Qur’an 8:52 “They denied and rejected the revelations of Allah, and Allah destroyed them, punishing them for their crimes: for Allah is strict, severe in punishment.”

Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.”

Qur’an 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”

We have seen several cases where liberal Muslims have tried to claim that these quotes were valid 1,600 years ago at the time of Mohammed (pbuh), but that circumstances have changed since then and they are no longer operative. These sick liberals also claim that women are not property, that nine year old girls are not ready for marriage, and that hand and foot amputations are too strong of a punishment for petty theft. Too strong of a punishment?!?! But conservative Muslims know better. I would want much more investigation of this teacher before I would rush to judgement on the actions of this fine upstanding Muslim student.

Posted by: special_guest at October 23, 2005 2:31 PM

Young people naturally believe they are invincible and that they know more than adults. Teach these same how to kill, maim, rape, and pillage with impunity as is being done in Palestinian areas, the teacher is lucky to have only been wounded.

Parents and others have lost all authority. The teacher's union is naive to believe that parents could have affect such enthusiastic young people, empowered with the heady belief that through Jihad they have right to take advantage in the name of Allah or even kill. They have created a monster whose power must be channeled...away from them.

Posted by: epg at October 23, 2005 3:15 PM

Their parent's hell won't slowly go by -- no indeed --

Posted by: jsla at October 23, 2005 3:36 PM

Pathetic Gary, you can't miss an opportunity to continue your own personal Jihad against your bete noire - the left. I honestly don't think you care at all about the Islamic Jihad, but merely use it as an excuse to wage your own personal Jihad.

I don't defend the left, for certainly it is full of misguided and misbegotten people, but you Gary and those like you are your own worst enemies.. You, and your ilk, alone cannot possibly prevail in the battle for preservation of western culture, you need allies and the allies you need are those whom you choose to demonize.. you see about 50% of the population or more are actually of a liberal or agnostic persuasion, which you would depict as left, but they read your infantile and explosive rants and they get turned off and take sympathy with the Muslims.

Point being that while you might experience an orgasmic relief by ranting against the left, your rants are counterproductive, instead of building bridges and reaching out to those who should be allies, you are alienating them and creating enemies out of natural allies, and thus doing the work of the Muslims.

Congratulations, you get a gold star for stupidity.

By the way, your first posts and links have absolutely nothing to do, as usual, with the subject of the article posted.. the only thing in common perhaps is "edukashun".

I've exerted a lot of time and effort trying to educate liberals (leftists) about Islam and it's dangers, but I will not and cannot refer them to Jihad or Dhimmi watch, because of posters like you.

I've tried it a couple of times and got burnt, and wound having to spend a lot of time trying to defend Spencer, Hugh and Rebecca. Robert, despite his disclaimer does exercise control over what is posted, because he and his board nannies do decide who can post, and what posts are deleted, that irrational, immmature and inflammatory posts such as yours and a few others remain does not speak well for Robert and this otherwise excellent blog.

Posted by: Nariz at October 23, 2005 5:45 PM

Nariz appears to be an alter ego of Ia786 and King-Troll-Who-Rants...

Same basic form, same basic arguments -- Like any Muslim saying one thing at one moment - then saying something completely contradictory the next --

What I notice most lately is his tendency to isolate one poster, harry and insult that poster, take the thread off topic, then excoriate the other poster for "taking the thread off topic" posing as a qualified supporter for some of the points being made here, but most of all, endlessly, boringly, and tiresomely COMPLAINING about the nature of the posts, the nature of this site -- all the while working in little jabs of this and that -- the banal and repetitive engineered complaints about "board nannies" and the like...

A schizo if ever I saw one -- He DOES do a pretty good job of keeping the separate characters of KT, Ia, and now Nariz somewhat distinct however...

It would be clever if it weren't so stupid!

Posted by: jsla at October 23, 2005 5:59 PM

I forgot to mention the martyrdom complex which runs through all three characters he plays -- All three characters play most off of the notion that they are the height of reason and tolerance, and whenever confronted by the inanity of their posts either ignore or go on the attack... Again same basic flavor...

The new twist here is "I've exerted a lot of time and effort trying to educate liberals (leftists) about Islam and it's dangers, but I will not and cannot refer them to Jihad or Dhimmi watch, because of posters like you.

I've tried it a couple of times and got burnt, and wound having to spend a lot of time trying to defend Spencer, Hugh and Rebecca. "

Aw -- poor baby! What are you wasting your time here for then? If this is such an odious blog, WTF are you doing here? Clearly your main objective is to attempt to water down the postings with inanities, divert the discussion away from the serious matter of the horrors of Islam, and generally make as much trouble as you can...

I wasn't sure, but until this latest post I couldn't be certain that you are actually all one and the same. YOU SHOULD BE BANNED from this site immediately by the board nanny -- not because he restricts free exchanges of ideas as you would aver, but because obfuscating lying Muslim flamers such as yourself HAVE NO PLACE HERE, and harm the site by deflecting it away from the serious discussion of JIHAD -- which you're waging in your most unique way...

Posted by: jsla at October 23, 2005 6:12 PM

I have read Nariz's posts and he is definately not a muslim.

I, for one, value Nariz's posts. I wish the right wingers would realise that they don't own this site.

Posted by: Voltaire at October 23, 2005 7:00 PM

A ruse -- And I see it's fooled you -- Can you explain his bizarre statement above about how he "cannot refer them to Jihad or Dhimmi watch, because of posters like you..." It's the same inanity couched in nearly the exact same package as KT and IA. In a feigned effort to "have a real debate" or to "improve this blog" he embarks on a never ending string of OT posts, attacks, and all around preposterous sidebar discussions and arguments. The pattern is EXACTLY the same.

Even here we see the classic mode of KT and IA -- using a term like "edukashun" when referring to another posters comments -- a classic ad hominem attack in a manner EXACTLY similar to the species KT IA are so fond of... and now NARIZ enters the fray with a slight variation on the them, but (transparent to me) the same basic gist -- the pattern is too similar --

By the way -- other posters have said the exact same things about KT and Ia -- They're still having arguments about whether KT is a Muslim, lately Ia has come out and said things like "I am a good practicing Muslim" -- But who cares -- that's not my point at all... This guy could just be some posting flamer who enjoys the mayhem he causes --- It's clear to me he only wants to divert the posts onto the topics he wants to discuss, and to start fights with various posters -- If his points are seen as pretexts to continue this charade, then perhaps you'll understand my concerns...

I accept that the poster in question under the guises of Ia, KT, and now Nariz makes some points once in a while. But I maintain that his real agenda is to degrade this site.

HIS posts are nearly 100% the ones that take the threads off topic... He is the one who relentlessly resorts to ad hominem attacks during the interchanges. He is the one who always picks fights with individuals in the various threads, and appears to invite gratuitous fights with every nearly post.

Posted by: jsla at October 23, 2005 7:29 PM

jsla said "HIS posts are nearly 100% the ones that take the threads off topic... He is the one who relentlessly resorts to ad hominem attacks during the interchanges"

Well, ummm, couldn't your posting be described as an off-topic and ad hominem attack? The pot and the kettle and all that?

Posted by: special_guest at October 23, 2005 7:51 PM

In this case, you could say I am off topic-- But what about the points of my post? Does anyone else notice how KT, Ia and Nariz are vestiges of the same poster?

Posted by: jsla at October 23, 2005 7:54 PM

Nariz, these are for you:

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/2232

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/2228

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19932

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/shroder/040930

http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2005/10/18/school-teaching-children-to-be-muslims/

Posted by: Gary at October 24, 2005 6:48 AM

jsla:

The way Nariz ("nose" in Spanish) goes after Gary specifically is reminiscent of a poster we used to have here who disappeared named Giaour - almost word for word.

I don't think Nose is KT or ia - he's much more articulate, and the linguistic styles are too dissimilar. However, his linguistic style DOES bear some similarity to Giaour's, although not completely. The attacks on particular posters are telltale, though.

Posted by: CGW at October 24, 2005 8:49 AM

NO SNIVELIN'

..Nariz, your sour-puss bellyachings make me want to take a slug of pepto-bismal..
please desist in them.

Posted by: otterfisher at October 24, 2005 11:52 AM