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Planning to run for office? Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald has a few words for you:
I don't know what Democrats, or Republicans, hoping to run for Congress in 2006, or 2008, or 2010, are now doing. But whatever else they are doing, they should realize that there are certain things about Islam -- that is, practically everything about Islam -- that they do not know, and that they have a duty to inform themselves about.Does anyone think that, had the leaders of Western Europe fully informed themselves about the tenets of Islam, about the contents of Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, they would have ever allowed so many Turks into Germany, so many Pakistanis into England, so many Moroccans into Spain, so many Algerians into France, so many Egyptians and Libyans and Somalis into Italy? Not to mention smaller numbers, into every country in Europe, of Muslims from all the places mentioned and all the other Muslim countries.
Whether you hate Bush or not, whether you think the war in Iraq was completely unjustified, partly unjustified, perfectly justified, or justified in the early stages and a senseless squandering and misallocation of resources in its Light-Unto-the-Muslim-Nations Phase (roughly, from the mid-fall of 2003 on), you have a duty to study Islam. And not from the nonsense of Armstrong or Esposito, or the coffee-table books, all blue mosques and Iznik tiles, with nothing sensible or truthful about the nature and centrality of Jihad, and nothing at all, really, on the subjugation and mistreatment of non-Muslims under Islam. And while much can be gleaned from the writings of Bernard Lewis, he is extraordinarily inattentive to the condition of the dhimmi, has done nothing to promote Bat Ye'or (and something to discourage her reception). And because of his extensive personal and professional ties to Turkish scholars, to a well-connected Arab claque in Amman that likes to be thought cultured by a cultured Western scholar, and he in turn would not like to offend them, he sees, for example, the islamization of Europe, but dares not see far enough. For to do so would require him actually to suggest some of the things suggested here. And that Bernard Lewis cannot do -- though now he should be thinking only of the future of Western civilization, and not what fellow Ottomanists in Istanbul, or Prince Hassan of Jordan, may think of him.
And if you are going to study Islam, start with Robert Spencer's texts. Forget all those received opinions, and forget that epithet "right-wing." Forget that Regnery is his publisher. Pay attention to what he has actually written. Does what he writes hold up? Does it make sense? Does he offer copious quotation from the Qur'an and the Hadith? Does he have the air or tone of a fanatic, of someone who twists the evidence, or does he not?
And when you have begun to figure out what the Hadith and the Sira are, then you might go on to the three essential books on the Dhimmi by Bat Ye'or -- The Dhimmi, Islam and Dhimmitude, and The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam. Then you might add Eurabia, so that what has been going on in Europe can be better understood.Then you might also add a book or two by Ibn Warraq, that articulate apostate. There is his own testimony, Why I Am Not a Muslim. And there are the testimonies of other apostates that he collected and published in Leaving Islam.
And now there is The Legacy of Jihad. There are those whom Mr. Bostom has offended or who find him infuriating. I certainly do. But he happens, in this book, to have performed a fantastic service, collecting and commissioning translations into English (for the first time in some case) of many important texts and excerpts of texts, by the most significant Muslim jurisconsults and writers of commentaries on Islam, and by the important figures in Islamic intellectual history (e.g. the historian Ibn Khaldun). Even more important, he provides copious documentation of the Buried or Lost Scholarship of Western and even non-Western scholars of Islam -- English, American, French, German, Italian, Rumanian, Bulgarian, Greek, Indian -- whose work has been carefully ignored by the Army of Apologists for Islam who now so ruthlessly control the academic study of Islam (which they control mostly by ignoring the need even to study Islam, and diverting attention to anything else they can) and fill the ranks, and dominate the leadership, of MESA Nostra.
Someone should distribute copies of The Legacy of Jihad to Bush, Cheney, Rice, Hadley, and all the others. And even to Paul Wolfowitz, who might begin to understand that his own experience as a well-publicized Jewish American ambassador to Jakarta, where everyone was quick to tell him what they thought he wanted to hear, did not exactly give him a realistic view of Islam. In an interview two or three years ago, Richard Pipes, who had served with Wolfowitz on Team B, pointedly noted that while Wolfowitz, while he may have been a brilliant weapons systems-analyst, understood little or nothing about the effect of culture (and ideology) on the minds of men and their behavior. He was not terribly interested, and had no training in, that indispensable thing we call "history."
Even he, Wolfowitz, still has time to learn a lot about Islam. Perhaps that will chasten, just a bit, all his grand schemes for remaking the world through the World Bank's largesse -- the same kind of grand schemes he had in mind for Iraq.
And of course the Democrats, those feckless Democrats, had better get cracking. It is not enough to hate Bush. It is not enough to see that the Iraq venture is at this point a colossal waste. It is not enough to thereby inherit the earth. The Jihad is real. It is not a fiction. The menace of the islamization of Western Europe is not a fiction. It will not do to rub one's hands in glee and wait for the inevitable election victory.
Now, not then, is the time to study up on Islam. And spare us please going to all the Democratic idiots -- people like whatshisname, Dennis Ross (who should be banned from any position of power). For that matter, the man who proved that Peter Jennings must have been really awful for Kati Marton to find him preferable -- Richard Holbrooke -- shows no signs of understanding Islam.
Finally, a note to voters: fresh blood, please. Fresh blood pumping into minds that are willing to study Islam. Not the same old. Please. It is too important.
Posted by Robert at November 1, 2005 5:51 AM
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Please. Print this out and lay it on the desk of the assistant of every bureaucrat and politician. Slip it under their doors if necessary.
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at November 1, 2005 6:50 AM
Precisely. Every one of our de-balled politicians should receive this article, and be made to read it.
at November 1, 2005 9:34 AM
Politicos, by their very nature, follow events. Only a very few (Churchill, Thatcher, Reagan) break this mould by leading. Most (Clinton, Bush, Condi) tiptoe on eggshells behind a path blazed by Joe SixPack, a blinded Joe SixPack mind you, but Joe SixPack nonetheless.
If you want bulk -- and the anti-Dhimmitude movement, a 98-pound weakling with sand kicked in its face certainly needs bulk -- then you need to bypass the offices of the politicos and reach the voters directly, as did the three leaders mentioned above.
Dump the books and go with video.
The direction taken the last 20 or 30 years is clearly that of feelings over facts, facility over fecundity, television over tomes.
If you doubt this, look up the long-term trendline of ad expenditures, especially the split between print and video/audio advertising (hint: the latter media do not require reading).
Why is it apparently impossible to produce a series of ad shorts exposing Islam for what it is? It's a facile subject replete with plenty of dramatic conflict that can be made to easily go via television directly to the feelings just under the skin of every Joe and Jane sitting around wondering what in the holy hell is going on with these tiresome Moslems.
We're not a nation of grad students.
The idea of politicians (and I've worked for several) sitting down and reading a series of books with great interest and concern is as fantastic as the Koran itself.
You want policy, get the politicos. You want politicos, get the voters. You want voters, get your sustained national TV & radio ad program implemented.
Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 1, 2005 9:55 AM
Chaz, your implication that the good people of JW/DW, without a proverbial "pot-to-piss-in", could match, dollar-for-dollar, a saudi-financed national TV and radio ad campaign, is as fantastic as the qoran itself. Wish it could happen, but this has to be a grass-roots effort. I'm working on a handful of friends and co-workers.
Posted by: Infidel33 at November 1, 2005 11:22 AM
"Chaz, your implication that the good people of JW/DW, without a proverbial "pot-to-piss-in", could match, dollar-for-dollar, a saudi-financed national TV and radio ad campaign, is as fantastic as the qoran itself."
-- posted by Infidel 33
Nowhere did I say the persons in JW/DW.
To have any shot at success -- and time is running short- a mass ad campaign must be launched.
Remember, having the truth on our side renders irrelevant to match the Wahabis dollar-for-dollar; the true success criterion is capturing enough infidel mindspace.
The cost for such a campaign would fall within the millions laid out by a single wealthy individual, George Soros, on behalf of various Marxist interests during the 2004 election.
You're telling me that, looking among the thousands of conservative billionaires in the West, we couldn't come up with a budget for a satisfactory TV ad campaign.
You're saying that can't be done. Well, why not?
Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 1, 2005 11:54 AM
I'm just saying that any serious committment of resources to a mass-media information campaign would be quickly overwhelmed by an arab-backed dis-information campaign. Much of the truth that is written and spoken about islam, perhaps even this web site, could be readily quashed by the $billions in stolen arab wealth if were perceived as a significant-enough thorne in their sides. Taking a page from the beduoin rapist's own handbook, there are advantages in remaining below the radar until the time is right.
Posted by: Infidel33 at November 1, 2005 12:53 PM
"Someone should distribute copies of The Legacy of Jihad to Bush, Cheney, Rice, Hadley, and all the others."
We have been sending copies to the Whitehouse. :) It was KAOSKTRL's idea.
Posted by: wwrwtw at November 1, 2005 12:59 PM
"I'm just saying that any serious committment of resources to a mass-media information campaign would be quickly overwhelmed by an arab-backed dis-information campaign."
-- posted by Infidel 33
No way. A well produced ad showing the Holy Prophet calling for, and getting, the murder of a 100-year old Jewish poet would put a serious dent into Islam's status as one of the world's great religions.
Run a second ad showing Mohammed humping away on a 9-year old girl, and Islam's got a problem.
A third ad dramatically re-enacting the mass murder of some 800 men, each beheaded in front of his wife and children with Moahammed presiding over the proceedings from his death pit-side throne, and BOOM you've got tens of millions of very worried and somewhat agitated Joe SixPacks.
There's no way a rich Moslem can fight his own scripture.
PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH
"... there are advantages in remaining below the radar until the time is right."
-- posted by Infidel 33
The time was right four years ago. Time is a-wasting now.
The call for politicians to do anything of their own accord is futile; a call for politicians to become self-taught anti-Dhimmi intellectuals is fantastic and doomed.
We need to break out of grad school mode here. Even if you could get politicians to learn, think, and take action (pshaw!), the MSM would stand clearly in their way, hands on their hips, frowning, angry at such a vicious attack on the Poor Moslem Man.
They got us surrounded, I tellya, just like in the Invasion of the Pod People.
Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 1, 2005 1:06 PM
At the least, when Muslims (or anybody) immigrate, then should be made to take some oath that the law of the land always takes precedence over any scripture or prophet. I don't think that the present citizenship oath is quite this explicit. I'll bet most of the more hard-line Muslims could not take such an oath. Of course, the militants should be blocked through background checks: any association with a jihad-spewing mullah should disqualify.
Frankly, though, a case could be made for blocking Muslims altogether. Doesn't Mohammed's behavior with the Banu Qurayza and the poetess Asma cast serious doubt on all his followers? The problem is that many Muslims are decent enough and don't know or think about this. Then again, is that a sufficient excuse?
Mostly, though, I want this DISCUSSED. We have extended 'freedom of religion' and 'respect for religion' to a taboo over legitimate discussion of religion. At least, when the prophet kills, for whatever reason, this is worthy of discussion. Jesus and Buddha did not do this. (Krishna did kill bad guys, by the way, but an honest investigation of my friends the Hindus shows that no unusual militant tendency has ever characterized them during their long history. Krishna was just a warrior hero; his elimination of bad guys had nothing whatsoever to do with theology.)
Posted by: Benjamin at November 1, 2005 1:15 PM
Chaz,
I don't see Joesixpack as the real problem here.
The American public has always risen up to the threat when needed, but the gulf between the MSM and reality is widening.
A TV ad campaign would be shunned by the networks.
Whether it's the dreaded PC attitude or just plain fear, the TV is not our path to truth. It's going to have to come from the top. Although I support GWB on many issues, I do agree with those here who say that his administration is too soft on the rhetoric. It's time to insist that a terrorist is a terrorist. The time has come to proclaim Jihad as evil. we're not going to kill this serpent by chasing it away or pretending it can't hurt us. We're going to have to stamp on it's head. Will the Republicans bring forth a candidate who can/will do that? Probably not. I don't see Tom Tancredo getting elected any time soon. Conversely, the Democrats can't even stomach the strength of a Lieberman. If Hillary gets the nod, rest assured Infidels will suffer like never before.
I hate to say it, but I doubt '08 bring a realistic foreign policy or even a healthy immigration situation until there is another attack of 9/11 proportions. Perhaps then when Congress joins hands on the lawn and sings "God Bless America" they'll finally realize who the enemy is, how they need to be defeated, and agree to set aside the differences on National Security. There are many lives that deserve to be saved!
at November 1, 2005 1:20 PM
I agree with Hugh that we need to raise awareness with our politicians about the realities of what is contained in the Qur'an, and we should all do so.
But, realistically it won't work yet. I agree with Chaz that no politicians, of any party, are ready to listen to the truth or to act on it. Politicians are followers, not leaders. Only when they see a groundswell of support on an issue will they start to mention it in their speeches. The popularity of Robert's books and this website are a good start, but there needs to be more people enlightened. If tv ads are too unrealistic, then how about a billboard campaign: just a Qur'an quote, nothing more (well, maybe a url to this or similar websites). Let the Qur'an do the work itself.
Another hurdle to overcome is the tight relationship between powerful people in this country (U.S.) and wealthy people in Saudi Arabia. That's a very dangerous combination. You can be sure that any group making such an ad campaign could expect IRS audits, FBI investigation, Immigration and Naturalization background checks, and other forms of official harrassment. They're not going to give up their control easily.
Posted by: special_guest at November 1, 2005 1:41 PM
"A TV ad campaign would be shunned by the networks."
-- posted by Kevin
Of course it would. But the ensuing federal free speech lawsuit would create quite a flap. Especially when the moron MSM reporters see that several of the Causes of Action in the complaint derive from Islamic scripture.
That would generate in a week a hundred times more publicity than we've garnered in total over the last four years. That's progress.
PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH
"Whether it's the dreaded PC attitude or just plain fear, the TV is not our path to truth."
-- posted by Kevin
You're right, it's our path to awareness. We already know the truth, and treating our fellow infidels to a basic reading of Islam's scripture and history will bring 90% or higher negative opinion regarding Islam.
PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH
"The time has come to proclaim Jihad as evil."
-- posted by Kevin
We've already done that, right here in our own private little echo chamber.
And to what effect? We need to make progress; we need to gain traction.
Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 1, 2005 2:15 PM
"Someone should distribute copies of The Legacy of Jihad to Bush, Cheney, Rice, Hadley, and all the others."We have been sending copies to the Whitehouse. :) It was KAOSKTRL's idea.
Posted by: wwrwtw
I doubt that such would get past Karl Rove's secretary, remember that Rove is the best friend of Grover "Ali" Norquist, he who converted so he could marry that Palestinian Sameh Alareyyes.
Kevin a bigger problem than "PC" is the wealth of the Arabs, their oil and all it can buy, as regards the MSM, guess who owns and controls the MSM, for one thing ABC is now part of the Saudi Empire, and the establishment (Industrial Military Petroleum Chemical Nuclear) own the rest of the media.. and guess where their bread is better buttered? In Arab Oil, Arab money, free trade, cheap wages, overseas market access.
Posted by: Nariz at November 1, 2005 2:16 PM
"I doubt that such would get past Karl Rove's secretary, remember that Rove is the best friend of Grover "Ali" Norquist, he who converted so he could marry that Palestinian Sameh Alareyyes."
Someone in the WH is bound to read them. That's what counts.
Posted by: wwrwtw at November 1, 2005 2:54 PM
Chaz...I dont know if time is running out or not, but it is time to strike while the iron is hot. Why wait till it is too late. Everyone here , minus trolls, has the goods on Islam. Everyone here tries to spread the truth as far as their personal reach will allow. And your right, creative advertising is called for, from those with the imagination to concieve it and impliment it. Politicians should be held accountable for walking around blind in one eye and unable see out of the other. I know we pay those people to be inept, but we need to change the job requirements. 'What do you know about Islam'?, should be a litmus test. Passing a written test would even be better.
What does the word 'jihad' mean? Choose one.
A. The first name of a famous basketball player.
B. The last name of a famous baskeball player.
C. An herbal ingrediant in cucumber ice cream.
D. Fighting in Allahs cause
E. The real name of Geo Bushes dog.
F. Bills pet name for Hillary.
If i didn't know better I would go for F.
at November 1, 2005 2:58 PM
I’m betting my money that the Republicans wake up before the Democrats. However, this issue is so important that I’d let it override others if the Democrats surprise me.
The Democrats are so drenched with Bush-hate (as Hugh points out) that they refuse to be critical of the Islamic Revival for fear of “playing into Bush’s hands.” How many times have I heard the absurd claim that Bush is out to get Islam? Even the Prince of Wales has had such hallucinations.
From debates with my friends on the left, I’ve found that they are willing to be critical of Islam … but only if Christianity is damned equally. I’m not religious; but I refuse to allow this lie a moments rest. It is blatantly absurd to anyone who knows the difference between the example set by Jesus and the example set by Mohammad. Until they face the fact that today’s threat is Islam, and unequivocally single out that threat, they will be useless as future leaders of a unified country.
I'm trying to wake up my fellow Republicans. But I welcome a competitive two-party race in ’08. If the Dems prove me wrong, I’m willing to consider their candidate.
at November 1, 2005 3:18 PM
canada's plan..1.5 million new immigrants over next 5 years..
Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
Canada expanding immigration plans
By BETH DUFF-BROWN
The Associated Press
TORONTO — Canada's government unveiled changes to its immigration policy Monday, including plans to take in up to 300,000 new immigrants annually within the next five years.
Immigration Minister Joe Volpe, in a report on immigration introduced in the lower House of Commons, said Canada accepted nearly 236,000 immigrants last year, facilitated 2,000 international adoptions and reunited 6,000 refugee spouses and children with their families.
He said Canada intends to accept as many as 255,000 new immigrants next year.
"Looking to the future, more successful and well-
integrated newcomers in all parts of Canada are key to nation building and to our economic prosperity," Volpe said in his annual report on immigration.
Volpe told The Globe and Mail newspaper in Monday's editions that Ottawa was "desperate for immigration" and would be prepared to accept as many as 300,000 immigrants a year within five years. He did not return calls seeking further comment.
In his report, Volpe said Ottawa plans to hire more temporary workers to tackle the enormous backlog of 700,000 prospective immigrants. Applicants can wait as long as four years to have their applications processed in Canadian missions around the world.
more..
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002596570_canada01.html
at November 1, 2005 5:46 PM
..and if 1/10 of 1 percent of those immigrants
are immoderately disposed muslims..we have
1500 jihadis camped on our doorstep..biding their time till attaining full Canadian citizenship..which i suspect would gain them visitor status to the U.S.(unless they're on some
watch-list here)..(or if they just walk across the unguarded border)
at November 1, 2005 6:36 PM
Hey Chaz and all the good people here,
There is a very cheap way to use the internet against the islamofascists with a "Jib Jab" type approach. Make a funny flash movie with a cool song and let the web handle the distribution. If you insult Judaism and Christianty in the same film then on lookers can judge the maturity and intelligence of the followers of each religion by their response. Humor is a devastating weapon.
islamofascists have zero sense of humor or intelligence, and they'll try to shut the internet down or engage in senseless violence. Their violent fascist tendacies will be revealed for all to see.
Infidel and Proud of it
Posted by: dduck at November 1, 2005 7:23 PM
dduck writes:
"There is a very cheap way to use the internet against the islamofascists with a "Jib Jab" type approach. Make a funny flash movie with a cool song and let the web handle the distribution."
Yes, that's a good idea. You need to make sure to
explicitly represent Mohammad.
However, that said, I'd prefer a more serious comic book or cartoon that was lighter on the humor. Better a cartoon than real actors because muslims would kill an actor who portrayed mo.
" If you insult Judaism and Christianty in the same film then on lookers can judge the maturity and intelligence of the followers of each religion by their response."
Christians and Jews routinely have their religion mocked in America (Christians get it worse) and almost never advocate violence. Why waste time?
"Humor is a devastating weapon."
Yes, muslims hate it. The most unfunny people on
the planet. Muslim humor consists of beheading
Christian girls on the way to school in Indonesia or shooting
Jewish babies and toddlers in Israel.
at November 1, 2005 8:41 PM
I've found Robert's book to be fast-paced and loaded with information.
If someone wants to debate his points, be sure to check the applicable footnote.
Bostom's book on jihad looks better on the shelf though. It's not close. Robert's book looks like police tape.
Posted by: Beagle at November 1, 2005 9:48 PM
I dread the thougth of Hillary running for Pres and even more so if I apply Hugh's comments to the equation.
One may not like Bush's methods but he is trying and it will be a disaster if Hillary is elected.
A "leapard never changes its spots" and Hillary was very active in extreme left politics while in college. (A polite way of saying communist organizations.)
Posted by: learjet0450 at November 1, 2005 10:11 PM
I nominate Colonel David Hunt, his latest book, "They Just Don't Get It" is a hands-on reaction to the Jihad. A military man with years of experience, he's got the answer, Kill the bad guys. Period. He understands what is needed in our government to defeat the terrorism threat. My hat is off to him. This is a must read, along with Robert, of course. We are a strong country, let's act like it.
Posted by: watcher at November 2, 2005 1:44 AM
Lets See, election 2008, Campaign Slogan Six-Pack Jihad. The Democrats are foaming at the mouth wanting the Bushies to collapse and their dream of Iran Contra part Deuce(even though nobody really got burned), Bush has done some damage on his own end, so some things are hard to decipher in what is going to come up.
Its hard to convince a lot of Demos thst when Bin Laden declared WAR on Us in 1998, he wasnt kidding. And to them it is a Holy War and something the average liberal who might have forsaken God in his/her beliefs doesnt quite understand. All the idealouges have spent tons of liberal critique in trying to unravel the Judeo/Christian theme. But they come up blank on the Allah fearing, Islamic Jihadists that are going to cause a lot of problems in the near future. Many cant understand a belief in God over socialism. And no matter how distorted and maligned Islam is, it baffles many in the democratic think tanks, because were in the 21st century and the Muslims in the seventh. But human nature has not changed in between those times, its hard for your average Liberal to understand whats going on. We are in a fight for our lives, beliefs and the Demo's are as lost as a
puppy.
Its amazing how many people I run into who dont have a lick about anything in the Koran. Its quite descriptive about Hell that makes Christian works seem like fluff. Even Jewish myths that some say Muhaddmed stole to my knowledge are not that vivid about Hell, this is something that Joe Six pack or your liberal one be able to fathom, to look at Islam is to look at fear. I lived in Bahrain a year and I am a Christian. While in Bahrain I must say, most people are not suicidic Maniacs, but your dealing with a culture that is trying to reclaim an ideal that their culture was an Empire of Oasis in the past and are simply carrying the torch. Though Im not deceived but the rhetoric, I must say that I do find that at least with Bin Laden hes being honest in what he says and what he does, which is probably more than anything a politician of the west has done.
Clinton knows all to well about AL-Qaede, the problem that he and demos have, is finding a solution to a enemy that has declared war on you without military force and yes mistakes. How many mistakes are made in war. You here the rhetoric, Iraq is a failure, mistakes made yes, failure, what do you base it on Husseins regime. In my eyes many in the Anti War movement, are not concerned about Iraqis, its about their hatred of Bush. I personally do disagree with many of his policies, and the Iraqi mess but I dont hate the man. And I dont sell the farm on Iraq. The problem is Islam.
The Demos and Republicians are in many ways La La land then it comes to the threat of the Jihad. And it may take an attack(and I pray against, but I am a realist) for many in the homeland to understand that like it or not, we are in a Holy War with Radical Islam. You cant sugarcote it, or try to push it aside, they dont(Jihadists). Lets just hope and pray, we come out of this somewhat of a country still intact
at November 2, 2005 3:45 AM
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