From above:
as eight days of riots over poor conditions in Paris-area housing projects spread to 20 towns.

From a previous article:
The unrest in the northern and eastern suburbs, heavily populated by North African and black African minorities, have been fuelled by frustration among youths in the area over their failure to get jobs and recognition in French society.

From yet another article:
The firing of a police teargas grenade against a mosque in Clichy-sous-Bois during clashes late Sunday also sparked rage in the suburb's large Muslim community.

The grievances have been further fuelled by hardline law-and-order policies implemented by Sarkozy, who is also leader of France's ruling UMP party....

How about identifying the real cause? Antipathy by the youths to anything not Islamic.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at November 3, 2005 2:07 PM

Land for Peace,- what else?

A generous Jiziya and mo money for mosques, and why can't they keep the hated 'le flic' away?

They are useless anyway!

How many bed-sheets do the French need to make a white flag?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 3, 2005 2:21 PM

If you're a deep thinker on the other side, a bona fide grand strategerist type for the jihad, I bet it's tough to shake the feeling that this whole thing--from 9-11 on through to the riots in Western Europe--is going off ten or fifteen years too early. It would've been much neater.

If you Euros wake up right now--I know you're lurking here--you just might beat this thing.

Allow Le Cowboi (Smokes Be Upon Him) to inspire you.

Posted by: Mad_Jack at November 3, 2005 2:32 PM

Muslims do not integrate into other societies. Read Quran 4:144 "Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a clear proof against yourselves?"
and Quran 3:118 "Oh you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand."
France's refusal to understand this has resulted in these riots. It will only get worse.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at November 3, 2005 2:35 PM

More Multiculturalism Here:

Indoctrination in the schools:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20033

Posted by: Gary at November 3, 2005 2:40 PM

What is happening in Paris? An intifada against the french nation. The answers, the left like forever throwing stones to the goverment, and not protecting the country, and the dhirmi Chirac with the strong temptation of sacrificing Sarkozy, his political enemy and support muslims, and I can see without Sarkozy, France will have more problems, Sarkozy, accused of these people of being "gentuza" ( I don´t know the english word) like "bad people" and now the mass media like the dhirmi Euronews and politicians said that the intifada has produced by his words, pathetic. Poor Sarkozy and Poor France! And I said like a western, catholic and spanish person who knows who has made France to the world.

Posted by: Franze at November 3, 2005 2:45 PM

Why aren't the French citizens picking these Muslim adolescents off from their windows?

This is unreal.

Posted by: DCWatson at November 3, 2005 2:56 PM

If you have the stomach and want to watch the most egregious example of lying propaganda then watch Mosaic on Link TV... it is a selection of news from 15 mid east countries, both private and government owned TV Stations, translated into English.

Although my hackles are raised, I'm glad that I get a chance to see the b.s. pumped out by the Muslims

For instance the broadcast for November 2, features amongst others Al Alam from Iran, and the Mullahs are telling their people and the Muslim world that the riots started because the French Police killed two kids with Tasers, and that the rioting is because (of course) muslims are persecuted and unemployed and mistreated by the French.

And some very harsh accusatory words for Sarkozy as well.

Palestinian TV same program (you can download and watch the NOvember 2 broadcast at Http://www.linktv.org/mosaic, has the Palestinian Authority using kids, who wrote pathetic letters and delivered them to the UNICEF representative, blaming the Israeli's, for their "suffering".. such suffering, the kids they showed were all chubby faced, pink cheeked, nice clean clothes, in all pretty damn well fed and comfortable, in the same segment the Palestinian Reporter whines about unemployment and hardship in Gaza, then brags about all of the goods and shopping in the souks.

Israel needs to get off it's arse and start a major public relations counter offensive, all of the bombing done by Israel in "Palestinian" territory is retaliatory or pre emptive attacks, and if the Palestinians would stop trying to kill Israeli's and drive them into the sea, then the "suffering" of the "Palestinians" would stop.

Muslims are like a man who sets his hair and fire and tries to put it out with a hammer.

Posted by: Nariz at November 3, 2005 2:57 PM

Poor conditions......Could they be worse than the crap holes the Muslims lived in before they moved to France?

Posted by: DCWatson at November 3, 2005 2:57 PM

again..the riots are a good thing..and they will no doubt recur..i'm breathing a sigh of relief..
Turkeys aspirations to join EU are probly toast..
..now send in the Legion Etrangere..I doubt they
have any stinking rubber bullets..

Posted by: otterfisher at November 3, 2005 3:00 PM

MAD JACK: "If you're a deep thinker on the other side, a bona fide grand strategerist type for the jihad, I bet it's tough to shake the feeling that this whole thing--from 9-11 on through to the riots in Western Europe--is going off ten or fifteen years too early. It would've been much neater."

I've been saying for four years that Bin Ladin succeeded in accelerating historical processes already well under way. The surprise is how the media and the universities have become even more apologetic now than before 9-11 (the Op-ed writers and the bloggers are the exception). I was naive enough to think the day of the tragedy that the one silver lining was that the world has finally been shaken out of its slumber.

Fast foward four years and just look at how today's riots are being portrayed by all the major media...either conveniently ignored or universally spun as an understandable reaction to discrimination.

I was talking to a liberal-minded family member the other day about Islam...about the home invasions in Indonesia to stop Christians from praying the rosary and the beheadings of Christian school girls. He suggested that people wouldn't start waking up until bombs started going off in our own cities.

I thought to myself "what the fuck was 9-11?"

Posted by: Cornelius at November 3, 2005 3:04 PM

"He suggested that people wouldn't start waking up until bombs started going off in our own cities."
-- posted by Cornelius

I'm afraid your friend is right. It's gonna take The Big One to cut through the fog.

Frankly, from where I sit I'd rather see an infidel city blasted from the face of the earth than see these Mohammedans breed themselves into Univeral Sharia.

PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH

The most important week in human history will be he seven days after The Big One. During that time window civilized mankind will have the opportunity to foreswear Islam and the liberalism that loosed these dirty animals upon us.

Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 3, 2005 3:18 PM

I have read that among the immigrant population in France, the unemployemnt rate is about 25%. Among native French, it is between 10-12%. If those numbers are anywhere near accurate, how much immigration is still being allowed in France on a yearly basis? Do any of the JW readers know this? Thanks.

Posted by: maryrose at November 3, 2005 3:21 PM

"Poor conditions......Could they be worse than the crap holes the Muslims lived in before they moved to France?"

This is the irony of ironies -- and only one of the gargantuan inconsistencies that made me suspicious of ALL Muslim motives in the aftermath of 9/11 -- I couldn't quite square the umbrage they were expressing at Western societies, when they are nearly silent on their own sufferings and oppressions under Muslim societies -- One of the first things I learned was the Islamic principle of not speaking ill of other Muslims -- it is the height of political incorrectness in Islam --

This bizarre eagerness to excoriate the West and ignore their own staggering cultural and intellectual flaws alerted me that Muslims were up to something with all their bellyaching...

The thing is, I bear great animus against France and the French, but here I feel sorry for them... Here's one of the geniuses of Islam:

If the French do what's right and take harsh measures against the Muslims, those Muslims will extrapolate those harsh measures into new pretexts for Islamic rage and more violence...

If the French surrender as is their wont, then those Muslims will extrapolate that surrender into a reward for their violence, and be inclined to do more of it --- it will be clear that if they lash out they will be rewarded.

The Palesinization of France began when they first admitted Muslims into their borders... This is true anywhere Muslims are allowed to immigrate -- eventually they will destroy the place and turn it into another Muslim hell hole...

This is such a perfect example of why Islam works, and why the violence will never end...

Think also about Saudi Arabia's support for 9/11 -- Aside from them, who would have thought that 4 years after the deadly assault, gasoline would be netting them triple the financial windfall? They have been richly rewarded for their hatred spewing indoctrinations...

Islam works
Terrorism works
Violence works

Half measures and European style appeasement and "negotiations" are not a solution to this Islamic problem....

The solution is far more grave -- but it is unacceptable to name it still without censure...

Posted by: jsla at November 3, 2005 3:32 PM

DCWatson,

"Could they be worse than the crap holes the Muslims lived in before they moved to France?"

Apparently you can take the muslim out of the craphole, but you cannot take the craphole out of the muslim...

Posted by: tuffbeingright at November 3, 2005 3:40 PM

Nariz

Israelis are expected to do the impossible: defend themselves against a heinous and transparent attempt to liquidate their country and their population by religious fanatics that outnumber them 60-1, have a combined landmass 200 times that of Israel's tiny sliver on the sea, and natural resources that generate in excess of $300 billion annually (used liberally to purchase academic departments, media outlets, public relations firms, politicians, and former State Department officials) while at the same time having to contend with dozens of "human rights groups" -- including many within Israel -- that nip relentlessly at Israel's soft underbelly as a democracy committed and sensitive to the ethical behaviour of its military forces.

Just what type of public relations counter-offensive do you believe would be successful against an Arabist world press corps (BBC, Reuters) based in Londonistan, committed to the dismantling of Israel, and currently flooding the world with misinformation and propaganda?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4402326.stm

Posted by: Charles Martel at November 3, 2005 3:53 PM

I see the 7-days-and-counting Islamoganza in Paris as the "Light Unto the Western Nations" project. It serves as a burning beacon of what the brightly burning future of Western democracy can look like, given the burning desire of Islamic immigrants to burn down the burning bridges that divide us.

If this project is going to succeed, Chirac and French society in general must continue to take responsibility for the isolation and the poverty and lack of education and violence of the jihadists, and continue to offer to provide whatever the jihadists demand. Stay the course, do not flip-flop. In for a penny, in for a pound.

If Iraq was a demonstration of the power of democracy and freedom to transform society, then Paris is likewise a demonstration of the power of Islam to transform society.

If the public needs an example of Islam's transformative power, then I say let Paris be that burning beacon, not Detroit, not Dallas, not Trenton. Burn on, beautiful beacon, burn on.

Posted by: special_guest at November 3, 2005 3:53 PM

Merci Dieu!(Thank God) There are 22 countries the unappreciatives can go back to. Our news media has failed to notice that these unappreciatives are probably among the wealthiest Moslems of the world. No good deed goes unpunished. There is some good to come of this. Turkey, non! No European politician for any amount of bribes will push to admit Turkey now!

Posted by: David England at November 3, 2005 3:59 PM

"Israelis are expected to do the impossible: defend themselves against a heinous and transparent attempt to liquidate their country and their population by religious fanatics that outnumber them 60-1, have a combined landmass 200 times that of Israel's tiny sliver on the sea..."
-- posted by Charles Martel

Don't forget those five nuclear missile submarines Israel quietly operates both in the Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf.

If Israel goes, millions of elated Moslems dancing and celebrating in the famed Arab Street will come to a suprising and abrupt end.

After the smoke clears from Tehran, Riyadh, and several other Moslem capitals, look for these Jewish submarines -- missile tubes empty -- to steam for American shores.

Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 3, 2005 4:10 PM

Chaz

As a Jew, I find it difficult to be enthusiastic about a nuclear rain on the capitals in dar al-Islam as that will only occur as a reply to the incineration of 30% of the remaining Jews on the planet. After 3,000 years of persecution, pogroms, and holocausts, there is little joy in the knowledge that next time, we can take 50 million savages with us.

Posted by: Charles Martel at November 3, 2005 4:35 PM

Sadly -- it will come to this because we cannot agree beforehand that some fairly extreme measures must be taken to prevent it...

A smug Muslim poster here often challenges the assertion by some that mass expulsion of Muslims is in order -- Do you honestly think that the Western world will advocate mass expulsion of Muslims from its midst BEFORE they do something so heinous? (which, by the way the mass expulsion may have prevented)

I believe that the Muslim atrocity we all fear is INEVITABLE. Nukes going off in Western capitals will spur us to finally act -- bot of course by then it will be too late --

Also, if you play the scenarios out in your mind -- the nukes or the plague are unleashed by the Muslims -- we retaliate and expel them en-masse -- and now they have the best pretext EVER to band together and fight us... Can't you just hear their claims?

'Oh the ISULT against Islam!'

'How DARE the infidels hold all of us peace loving Muslims to task for the acts of some misunderstanders of Islam'

'Slanderers of Islam! May Allah's wrath fall upon your heads with a vengeance! Death to America ! Death to England ! Death to the Infidel world!'

'Allah wreak your vengeance on these arrogant infidels for attempting to defend themselves against Islam's righteousness!'

I can hear it all now -- I don't need to suffer through the attack and the expulsion to know how this is all going to end...

Posted by: jsla at November 3, 2005 4:51 PM

Charles
Do you know often the Israeli Air Force is breaking the sound barrier over Gaza? I remember as a teenager the sound of the sound barrier being broken quite frequently over London (as it was over other cities) during the development and testing of Concorde. Amid all the other city and industrial noise after the first time it was not a remarkable event although I believe the sonic boom on scheduled flights was timed to take place over the sea.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at November 3, 2005 5:02 PM

French people don't have an ownership interest in their land, culture, or laws. Their ennui in the face of national danger is typically French, and suicidal. Eurabia is flowering in its totally predictable way, yet the manstream media is shotgunning justifications for the violence as fast as it can.

Posted by: Beagle at November 3, 2005 5:20 PM

INVERTED TRUTH

Riots in France Blamed on a Vacuum in Authority

"They feel neglected by the government, and the police just provoke them."
...the trouble has been compounded by a vacuum of moral authority.

How dare we ever try and blame or confront ISLAM.

Apparently the teachings of Islam do not contain the necessary "moral authority" that is needed.

Quite the opposite.

The liberal, I mean, NY Times

Posted by: Report at November 3, 2005 5:23 PM

Funny - here in Australia none of the commercial networks, nor some of the State run networks are reporting this!

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at November 3, 2005 5:33 PM

"Do you know often the Israeli Air Force is breaking the sound barrier over Gaza?"

Dear Lord, those poor people! Now I finally understand the motivation of the "Palestinians" for murdering so many unarmed civilians during Intefada and Intefada II. Not only was the pride of the Muslims offended, but their ears as well. The horror, the horror.

Posted by: special_guest at November 3, 2005 5:37 PM

Report (NYT)

But, says Marilou Jampolsky of SOS Racisme, a nongovernmental organization fighting discrimination, the current government has made such informal mediation efforts more difficult by cutting back public funding for them.

The Left has one Holy Grail, government spending. "If only we spent more money on midnight basketball in France," the argument goes, "young jihadi warriors conducting razzias all over the outskirts of Paris would stop."

The NYT is clue-free, befuddled, and indolent.

Posted by: Beagle at November 3, 2005 5:38 PM

They feel neglected by the government

Posted by: Beagle at November 3, 2005 5:39 PM

Granny

Physicians for Human Rights issued the petition which has a long history of producing one-sided diatribes against Israel which are long on propaganda value and short on facts so I wouldn't expect them to be able to present any reliable figures.

Conspicuously absent from PHRs litany of "reports" on the impact of the conflict on the health of the civilian population is any mention of the life-long psychological trauma suffered by Israelis (particularly kids) after they have seen their friends and family members knived, shot, pelted with rocks, and blown to pieces.

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/editions/v3n02/v3n02-2.htm

Posted by: Charles Martel at November 3, 2005 5:40 PM

"As a Jew, I find it difficult to be enthusiastic about a nuclear rain on the capitals in dar al-Islam as that will only occur as a reply to the incineration of 30% of the remaining Jews on the planet. After 3,000 years of persecution, pogroms, and holocausts, there is little joy in the knowledge that next time, we can take 50 million savages with us."
-- posted by Charles Martel

So who's joyous?

I'm certainly not. But, having read a fair amount of history, I see an element of inevitability to an impending bloodbath. It inexorably approaches, just ask any Good Active Moslem, he will tell you that God Himself ordered it done.

There are several mentions in the Koran of whole towns destroyed by God, and the demand that devout Moslems do more of the same in order to correct the path of wayward Jews and Christians. They juice up on this crapulous hate mail five times a day, and take on a tank full every Friday.

This is why you can't reason with Moslems. You can't appease them. You can't stop their relentless advance.

Ever since Osama bin Laden called for Jihad in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998, there has been a slow-but-steady widening and heating of the trouble.

My theory is that Westerners are averse to taking a cold-hearted inventory of Islam and what it means for us because we instinctively know that the news is absolutely terrible.

But believe you me, there was a reason the Pentagon teamed up with the IDF to put those submarines out there and put word of it out to leaders in the various Moslem capitals. Israel would have been hammered by now, except for those submarines.

Trouble is, you could play the MAD (mutually assured destruction) game with disciplined communists in Moscow, but you can't play MAD with the Moslems.

They are a perpetually leaderless, angry mob that welcomes death.

Sooner or later this collective insanity that named itself Submission will strike, and when that finally happens our military workers will strike back without remorse.

Better to have it out sooner than later, before they breed their way into permanence and freedom disappears altogether from this small blue planet.

Forget about joy & sadness. Think practical. Think inevitable necessity.

Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 3, 2005 5:45 PM

Charles, I thought that might be the case.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at November 3, 2005 5:45 PM

Actually, is the Concorde still flying? The sonic booms from those flights might account for the 7 days of rioting in Paris. When will we infidels ever learn? If camels were good enough for Mohammad, they're good enough for us. Supersonic flight, feh!

Posted by: special_guest at November 3, 2005 5:47 PM

La France is finding out that her pet 3rd worlders,that her Muslim noble savages are savages. The colonialists are now the colonized, cowering in fear. And these simpleton bastards dared to condemn Israel during it's intifadas and suicide bombings!

.....her son Ishmael will be a "wild ass of a man, his hand against every man"

Posted by: dennisw at November 3, 2005 6:06 PM

After the smoke clears from Tehran, Riyadh, and several other Moslem capitals, look for these Jewish submarines -- missile tubes empty -- to steam for American shores.

Due to radiation concerns the small Israeli subs can carry only 3 nuclear missiles and they have a range of 90 miles. Cruise missiles. That's the best info I've seen. Maybe the Israelis can do better and are keeping it secret

Posted by: dennisw at November 3, 2005 6:15 PM

Negotiating with these Muslim knuckleheads will not stop those thugs from turning Paris into the Gaza Strip. Chirac needs to step down off of his high horse and use necessary force to put a stop to the riots.

Appeasement didn't work with Neville Chamberlain and Adolf Hitler and neither will it work in this matter.

Posted by: delia7 at November 3, 2005 6:16 PM

Chaz MarteL 732 writes:
"Don't forget those five nuclear missile submarines Israel quietly operates both in the Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf."

What are you talking about? As far as I know Israel doesn't have any sub launched ballistic missile technology, nuclear powered or otherwise. What is your source for the assertion that Israel has nuclear powered (which is what they'd need to
operate that far away) subs?

Last time I checked, they had three German built
diesel powered subs. These are capable of launching cruise missiles, but it isn't clear that they could hit Iran.

Of course, I'm not suggesting that such things should ever be used, since that would be impolite here. Just tring to get the facts straight. However, I do believe it is just a matter of time before the West will need to do it the hard way.

Posted by: American at November 3, 2005 6:23 PM

Update!

Defeating Jihad is now:

89.4% ...in the realm of ideas.
10.6% ...in the hands of infantry battalions, armed constabularies and barricaded vigilantes.

Stay tuned!

Posted by: Mad_Jack at November 3, 2005 6:40 PM

Dear Maryrose,
The figures of immigration are contested and some say that they are falsified. But a serious newspaper called "VALEURS ACTUELLES" (right wing newspaper) wrote an article about it, 2 weeks ago.
Firstly, it has been forbidden since 1984, in France, to count how many births are due to foreign people, per year.
Hence the INSEE (our statistics administration) cannot count them. Strangely, the share of foreigners in the national population has been stable, even decreasing: a little more than 3 million people, = 5,6 % of the French population (which was 50 millions, 20 years ago, and is 60 millions now).
That is explainable by the following: any foreigner born in France becomes automatically French when he / she is 18 years old.
One counts 200 000 new entries per year due to political asylum or "family regroupement" (I dont know how to call it in English: the fact that parents, kids, wives etc. have the right to become French if their parents, husbands, kids are already French). So 200 000 newcomers / year and one evaluates the number of clandestines (illigal immigrants) about 200 000 as well.
One can add "tourists" who "lose their visa" and never come back to their country of origin. They become illegal immigrants in France until they are given an ID card (by the thousands... from time to time).
If one admits that 40 % of the newcomers leave the French territory each year (which is, according to me, too optimistic anyway), there would be 9 million foreigners in France, wishing to stay in France.
As for the immigrants (people who have the French nationality but were immigrants or whose parents or grand parents were immigrants) it is difficult to count them ! All the more as it is forbidden to count people according to their religion, so you cannot know how many Muslims there are in France (some say 6 millions, some say more).
In 1997 (still according to that newspaper "Valeurs actuelles"), only 7 % of the people came to France to find a job. Which makes sense as France has no job to offer anymore. Let us not forget that the immigration of labour was officially ended in... 1974.
Why are those people coming to France ? Simply because they can profit by the State money and live better than in their country and I'd do the same if I were them. As a ex ambassador said on the radio a few days ago "they are unhappy here but they are even more unhappy in their countries". In 2003, an offical report from the National Assembly (chamber of deputies) stated that a foreigner spends 8000 euros / year for medical care in the Paris region, as opposed to an average of 1500 euros / year for a French national. That shows, says the newspaper, that there are many frauds. It is just an example of where the taxpayer's money goes.
However, our Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin recently claimed that "we must open our borders as France needs arms to work"... visibly he still thinks France is the most powerful nation in the world as he says in his many books, and he thinks that France is going to enlight the Universe (dont forget he is also a "poet"...). The truth is, unemployment rate in France is 10 % which is huge and the young graduates who speak French already have difficulties finding a job.
If Villepin is elected in 2007, nothing will change. If a Socialist is elected, well...
Hope I gave you some useful pieces of information.
Elisabeth, Paris

Posted by: joiesauvage at November 3, 2005 7:32 PM

This could be Detroit

Detroit officials don't like to publicize the fact that 47% of the citizens of the City of Detroit are functionally illiterate. Michigan is also the site of the largest Muslims enclave in America. Muslim calls to prayer ring out in Hamtranck 5 times day.

Could be Detroit in 10 to 15 years if we don't stop immigration.

Posted by: Athena at November 3, 2005 8:02 PM

The French politicians are just the same as the spineless idiots here and elsewhere.

When the rioters spend themselves and the fires burn themselves out, and the communities collapse in fatigue, the politicians will appoint a commission.

The commission will blame someone, something, somewhere, so that the government can spend money correcting the "problem" as the commission will define it. There will be jobs programs and social programs, educational outreach and re-development projects. There will be promises to spend money. And the usual contractors, and educators, and social service types, will all line up at the trough for the feeding. And the handouts will get bigger, and the immigration will get looser, and the muslim presence will then be a source of income from the socialist government.

Any bets?

Posted by: texan at November 3, 2005 8:06 PM

O'Reilly just interviewed a Muslim talking-head about the riots in France. It went something like this:

MUSLIM: There is tremendous anger among Muslims in Europe.

O'REILLY: But why? The French give them welfare, free housing. Why are the Muslims so angry?

MUSLIM: Well...uh...because they haven't been integrated.

O'REILLY: But do they even want to be integrated?

MUSLIM: Um....well...Many of the young people don't. They have a crises of identity.

How's that for clearing up the confusion.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 3, 2005 8:15 PM

We have a lot of old French rifles from World War II here for sale in Texas and the rest of the United States. They are in almost brand-new condition: Never been fired and only dropped once.

Posted by: texan at November 3, 2005 8:16 PM

Charles Martel sez: As a Jew, I find it difficult to be enthusiastic about a nuclear rain . . . . After 3,000 years of persecution, pogroms, and holocausts, there is little joy in the knowledge that next time, we can take 50 million savages with us."

Well, hell, Charlie. Cheer up! Ya'll might get lucky and bag a hundred million. In the meantime, Israel needs to dig some shelters.

Posted by: texan at November 3, 2005 8:25 PM

O'REILLY: But do they even want to be integrated?

That's the million dollar question. And we all know the answer. All this blather about the French government not doing enough to integrate these invaders is a complete waste of time. It's a waste of time for any government to try to figure out or to spend money on. They do not want to be integrated. They will never integrate. Never. Not in France, not in Denmark, not in Australia, not anywhere. They tell us that all the time. Yet we stupidly go on and on and on, worrying about what we've done wrong, and how to fix it. They hate us. The only answer is to shut the door to any more and try to control the ones we're stuck with now. Controlling the mosques is the most important thing. That's where this anger is nurtured and encouraged.

Posted by: feralee at November 3, 2005 8:29 PM

In the sixties the Algerians revolted and got the French out of Algeria. Mohammedans who revolted in France tried to intimidate the French in solidarity with those in Algiers.

Then, the French clobbered them, real hard. Many were deported. It seems the French didn't take it to heart: For the last 45 years France has not only ben "conquered with the bellies of the Mohammedan women" but also by a spirit which is defeatist and disgraceful for the "grande nation".

I am puzzled that Australian media doesn't report on this.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 3, 2005 8:35 PM

Ahhh...the French now reap what they sew. Nice to see that these Euro dhimmis, who arrogantly thought that the moslem filth would be so impressed with their "good will gestures" and "enlightened socialist culture" that the'd drop islam and assimilate, get exactly what they asked for: HELL.

It's at a time like this that we should take a moment to honor the memory of a great man who knew how to handle moslems.

Thursday, November 03, 2005
Remembering Ghandi

Though I'm certain many of you have never heard of him, if there is one Zionist visionary whom the Madzionist reveres more than any other it would be the late, great Rehavam Ze'evi, or "Ghandi" as many affectionately called him. It now marks four years since Ze'evi was shot dead in a Jerusalem hotel by, you guessed it, terrorist moslems, on Oct. 17th, 2001.

Read the rest of this story at Madzionist Blogoff

-MZ

Posted by: Madzionist at November 3, 2005 9:25 PM

Boys & Girls -

Fortunately, the solution is simple:

No muslims; No mosques.

Try it. I think you will like it.

Posted by: Havoc at November 3, 2005 9:32 PM

Yeah, we have been discussing this topic for years at FaithFreedom.org and at Jihad Watch. We are not surprised by what is going on. It is those intellectuals who listen to NPR all the time that don't have a damn clue as to what is going on. They might not even realize that the rioters are all Muslims. This is just Muslims attacking infidels. Maybe this is a test of the resolve of the French and the Danish. If that is the case, the French and Danish are failing big time.

Now, I know some of you on the board like to point out that at last the French who have been so highly critical of the Americans in Iraq and the Israelis in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are getting a taste of jihad. But you have to realize that these riots highlight a potential internal threat to all of western civilization. The French and the Danish have to come up with a strategy for dealing with it other than caving in.

Posted by: DavidE at November 3, 2005 10:17 PM

Why aren't the French citizens picking these Muslim adolescents off from their windows?

This is unreal.

Posted by: DCWatson at November 3, 2005 02:56 PM

What would they pick them off with? I thought the UN (EU) disarmed the citizens of Europe long ago just in case their little experiment in multicultural utopia backfired. But it seems that the muslims have guns and are using them against the police.

When are the French going to lower the boom on these Islamic derelicts, after they burn all of Paris? This looks like the opportunity of a lifetime to me. These muslim ghettoes have an eerie resemblance to some inner city American slums that are run by gangs, but even they have never dissolved into total anarchy. They do fear the police and would never be stupid enough to attack them!

This situation is a good example of the apathy borne of socialism. If you own nothing, you have nothing to work for and nothing to lose. Most pious believers pray for relief from their suffering. Muslims go berserk, attack their benefactors, and then pray for their destruction.

Why aren't the parents of these juvenile delinquents doing anything to restrain their spawn? Where are the mullahs? They're all probably gathered at the mosque planning the next seige.

Posted by: Susanp at November 3, 2005 10:31 PM

That was one important reason why France was so opposed to the invasion of Iraq: the French are scared of their Muslims and don't want to arouse that sociological time-bomb -- and many French thought the Iraq invasion would do just that. In a sense, it has had that effect.

Unfortunately, only crises and mayhem will shake the PC dominance in the West -- and much more terror will, alas, have to happen before that dominance collapses.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at November 3, 2005 10:37 PM

These comments from an AP story are left out of the reports on most sites, of course.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051103/ap_on_re_eu/france_rioting_24

The report did not address why the youths ran when officers came to the neighborhood, but it said Benna was known to police for having committed robbery with violence and Bouna was among those who had intruded onto the building site.

Sounds like he should have been in jail instead of at a soccer game.

And this one...

"It is very tough when you are stuck midway between France and Algeria or Morocco," said Sonia Imloul, who works with troubled teens in Seine-Saint-Denis and was born in France of Algerian parents. She added: "Perhaps we should be told clearly to stop having children, because they have an 80 percent chance of not succeeding."

Now THAT sounds like a plan.

Posted by: Borg at November 3, 2005 10:52 PM

3rd time lucky, it was reported on Lateline for a few minutes, the other night.

Posted by: Voltaire at November 3, 2005 11:42 PM

"We have a lot of old French rifles from World War II here for sale in Texas and the rest of the United States. They are in almost brand-new condition: Never been fired and only dropped once."

Posted by: texan at November 3, 2005 08:16 PM

LOL! Nice one Texan. Hey, have you tried this:

Type: "French Military Victories" into Google, then hit the "I Feel Lucky" button.

Inspite of the long, long history England has with the cheese eating surrender monkeys, I feel angry & sorry for the French.

This is all part of the Jihad, the Islamic fifth column & anyone who is up against these fascists deserves our full support & committment.

By the ballot box or by the bomb, or by a combination of the two, EUrabia is a little closer today.

Will the Europeans please stop hitting the snooze button?

Posted by: albion at November 4, 2005 4:45 AM

Madzionist:

Considering that Mahatma Ghandi's advice to the Jews of Europe was to commit mass suicide to protest the Holocaust, you might want to pick another honorific for Rehavam Ze'evi.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 4, 2005 8:33 AM

Waterdragon,

You know, I too wonder how he got that moniker. For whatever reason, this hawks hawk became nicknamed Gandhi -- perhaps out of sarcasm or some sense of irony? Anyway, if anyone out there knows how Ze'evi got to be called "Gandhi" please let me know.

THANKS,
-MZ

Posted by: Madzionist at November 4, 2005 10:20 AM

From post above:

"All this blather about the French government not doing enough to integrate these invaders is a complete waste of time." faralee

On this point I disagree -- This is a very important discussion if the true details come out of it --

It is imperative that non-Muslims begin to comprehend that "integrating" muslims into their non-Muslim societies requires that the host society must sufficiently Islamify itself to suit the Muslim, but that the Muslim will refuse to change to suit the host society... And even this won't assimilate them -- this cultural attrition -- this suicidal endeavor to begin amputating one's own culture in the hopes that the Muslim will be sufficiently appeased to not transgress, to "integrate" will never work. Once one concession is gained by the Muslim, another one is demanded.

They all are guilty of this kind of extortion -- i.e. if you don't do more to accommodate me, then I can't be blamed for what I will do to you for not accommodating me...

And, as all forms of extortion know no bounds, once payments begin to be made under this devil's pact -- the payment demands will never cease until there is no more to be wrung from the extortee -- the extortionist will not stop until the husk is sucked dry, and discarded. It is Islam's plan for the world as taught by the extortionist in chief, Muhammad their profit.

Posted by: jsla at November 4, 2005 11:02 AM

jsla:

Great post above. You really summed this topic up beautifully and succinctly.

-MZ

Posted by: Madzionist at November 4, 2005 11:13 AM

have_mercy, when I said sorry, I also wanted to add something, about a lot of French supporting America, but someone has already done it.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20074

Scroll down to the American in Paris. I know a lot of French like that, don't tar the people with the same brush as the corrupt elite please, if only you could see the anger in some of the French.

We are all in this together, and of course we know that Europe is in a mess and will be under severe pressure in the medium term, and yes the USA will need to bail us out again.

Posted by: Daffersd at November 4, 2005 11:19 AM

I hate to keep harping on this, but multicultural relativism has also provided protection to Jews and other non Muslim minorities, both in Europe and the US.

Multiculturalism is not the problem, unless one believes it is OK to outlaw the Hebrew Language, Yarmulka's, Kosher food laws and tax, as well as Spanish Language, Asian languages and dress and other cultural artifacts.

Would cultural homogenuous society be possible? Would it be desireable? Shall everyone be forced to be Christian? (If so which sect or cult)? How does one eliminate non anglo saxon, non Christians without resorting to ethnic cleansing, genocide, could you even, if you wished? I doubt it.

My point is a workable, common sense solution needs to be found, rather than ranting on and on about multicultural politically correct relativism, because that way lies unintended adverse consequences.

And, whether you care or not (and you should care) such rants against "multiculturalism and PC" are perceived by millions as proof of the self righteous intolerant agenda of a portion of what is considered to be the Right wing, and visitors to this site (as well as Front Page, Town Hall, NRO, American Thinker and similar sites) who encounter this type of rhetoric and rants, are incensed, angered and scared off.. and instead of awakening people to the threat of Islam and creating allies, all that is achieved is alarming people and creating allies for the Muslims.

But then again those who engage in this kind of rhetoric and divisive politics, apparently don't care, overestimate their strength and/or have a Samson (Millenialist) complex... which is ideological-religious nihilism

Solutions, not divisive, self righteous ideological rants, rhetoric and actions are needed.

Time for maturity and common sense, reactionism is counterproductive.

Posted by: Nariz at November 4, 2005 2:38 PM

Bullshit on all counts, nariz. Especially when we see very little in the way of attempting to inform about islam, coming from the site You would favor. In fact, they do quite a bit more to blame US for the state of the world today.

Posted by: Gary at November 5, 2005 5:12 AM

"Time for maturity and common sense, reactionism is counterproductive."

If you want to defeat the Jihad -- then start finding a way to fight against the Jihad -- Your posts so relentlessly target the chimeras of your leftist hit list such as Christians and American foreign policy, that it's totally impossible for me to dintinguish your posts from those of the Jihadis themselves, except where you feign lip service to the cause of anti-Jihadism in passing --

Your posts amount to little more than left wing propagandizing -- piggy backing your pet leftist causes onto a genuine fight against the Islamic Jihad --

Your posts are mainly filled with trite junk...

Posted by: jsla at November 5, 2005 3:38 PM

Nariz shows the same misconception about multiculturalism that afflects so many on the Left. It is not cultural diversity that is problematic; immigrants are going to retain their culture to varying degrees regardless of what is propagated in the schools and the media. This is fine. Diversity in food, music, art, philosophy, etc is desirable.

"Multiculturalism" is a socio-political-educational construct. It is based upon the concept of relativism, that all cultures are equally valid and that value judgments are inherently bigoted and therefore unacceptable. Since we are a Western country, this is tantamount to the abandonment of our own cultural values. Furthermore, as part of the construct in practice, Western Civilization remains the one culture that is allowed to be held up to critical scrutiny.

The result is vilification of the West and a white-washing of all non-Western cultures.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 6, 2005 2:00 AM