Tell that to all the women they've gang raped in Europe.

Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 3, 2005 8:33 PM

L'Italia è prossima?

Berlusconi says threatened by bomber in stadium

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has said a suicide bomber was plotting to kill him at a soccer match, and accused political rivals of heightening the risk of terrorist attacks by questioning his integrity.

"I am the subject of a direct threat. A suicide bomber in a stadium aiming for me," Berlusconi told Italian newspaper Libero in an interview published on Thursday.

"But it is not a question of me. We're also talking about Italy. Aren't people worried about this?"

Italy's interior minister, Giuseppe Pisanu, said in July that terrorism was "knocking on Italy's door." He has since said Italy will be at most risk in the early part of next year when it holds the Winter Olympics and a general election.

Posted by: Lisa at November 3, 2005 8:57 PM

French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said Thursday that the riots in several Paris suburbs over the previous night were "not spontaneous" but rather "well organized."

So find some of these “organizers.” Tag ‘em, bag ‘em and ship them off to one of the alleged “gulags” for some psyops audio visual extraction techniques. I’ll wager that some mega-decibel Partridge Family while watching “Clockwork Orange” will loosen the tongue. Or better yet, let the French force feed them endless hours of Pee Wee Herman. They’ll talk.

Posted by: Thumper at November 3, 2005 9:00 PM

In talking with family members who live East of Paris, I was told that, if the rioting does not stop, the Franch Army will be called in, with orders to put it down any way they need to. The implied threat was the use of lethal force.

The only thing holding back the use of the Army is the political fallout. The people who could authorize its use all have political ambitions, and don't know how the use of the army will impact on their future plans. No one really cares how many rioters might be killed, so long as the riots stop, and there is no impact on their future electability.

when things quiet down, expect to see a number of imams suddently taking one-way trips to their previous sandbox homes. The French have long memories in that regard. Some rioters who hold French citizenship might suddenly "disappear", never to heard from again. Also a very French way of handling a "difficult" problem.

Posted by: kenprice at November 3, 2005 9:21 PM

Ah HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! muslim riots in paris!! talk about the chicken's coming home to roost. this is funny. i think its about time paris, and those in charge there, had to face the music. the idiots.

they have surely brought it upon themselves, and they will get no sympathy from me, especially after all the trouble france has caused for so many, ie algeria, tunisia, etc, and how can we forget the recent stabs in the back from france to america? let all of paris burn for all i care.

eff

Posted by: eff_Islam at November 3, 2005 9:39 PM

There's some kind of flakey Buddhist outfit upstairs in the back of the Fortress where we work. A while back some filthy bum came tumbling down the staircase, hit the landing, and started screaming. He didn't stay long, so we went up and asked what the problem was. A little guy, the one in charge, said the bum had come in and spat on some shrine or whatever it was, and the group leader told his hippie students to toss the guy out. They stood there and did nothing, so the leader tossed the guy down the stairs.

"I teach compassion," he said "not stupid compassion. That man will not come back to have his arms broken. That's compassion."

I'm not spitting around the guy. I don't care if he's tiny.

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 3, 2005 9:39 PM

How bad is this rioting in Europe and why are we not seeing it on TV? Is it just a few dozen people or are we talking about hundreds if not thousands of rioters here?

Posted by: Ryan at November 3, 2005 9:48 PM

This has been going on for many years now, just not on that scale. It is a regular occurrence that Mohammedans burn cars, usually in the hundreds, on New Years eve, and not only in Strassbourg.

The MSM obviously won't have any of it, the holy cow of multi culti is still sacred, but for how much longer?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 3, 2005 9:48 PM

I've been in Paris on New Years Eve and I can tell you that there was bottle throwing, etc. and even the odd molotov cocktail thrown at police by drunk rioters.

Posted by: Ryan at November 3, 2005 10:07 PM

I can't say I'm pleased to see the Frency suffer this fate, in spite of their foolishness in the past. Think Khomeni...

Quijybo

Posted by: Quijybo at November 3, 2005 10:27 PM

I've asked this question before: Does anyone have information on a spate of bombings of cafes and restaurants in France (southern France I believe), perpetrated by Muslims during the 1950s and perhaps into the 1960s?

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at November 3, 2005 10:27 PM

Two french muSlime youths run into an electrified fence and are summarily fried. Anyone with 1/4 of a brain would know that you don't scale fences that are electrified.

All this civil unrest for what? Two pieces of French Toast?

Posted by: SexyKafira1 at November 3, 2005 11:02 PM

LET THEM EAT PIG

Posted by: Crunchy Jello at November 3, 2005 11:03 PM

Paris is a very beautiful city. I hope that they don't burn the nice part.

Posted by: Voltaire at November 3, 2005 11:44 PM

Media is reporting "relative calm" after rioting. Well, of course, tomorrow is Friday, time to go be pious ROPers and to get refueled with devine hate. They have to go to riot school tomorrow -wait 'til the weekend.

Posted by: QuickHenryTheFlit at November 3, 2005 11:55 PM

How much more is needed before those in charge will actually clamp down on these atrocious events. The world is letting these people run rampant without consequences.

And if or when the Army is called in (or other comparably extreme measures) what effect would this have other than cleaning one neighborhood and enraging every other muslim/apologist that hears about it.

Is there any non-voilent solution other than submission on our part? I have trouble seeing it but can only hope I am wrong.

eff: Why can you feel no sympathy for Paris? Would you prefer this was happening in your area? The WOT is being waged on many fronts and all are important, we cannot just pick and choose our battles allowing areas we deem to be full of 'idiots'. Idiots are better than madmen.

Posted by: AngryMuppet at November 4, 2005 12:18 AM

OBSERVE the heavy planked Gates of Austria crashing closed..BOOM BOOM ..the 18 by 24 inch bar dropped into place..the draw-bridge slowly rising..
outside the encamped muslim hordes returning to their
lands of paltry sustenance..VICTORY! for the infidels!

Posted by: otterfisher at November 4, 2005 12:54 AM

Here is the root of anger of French muslims:

1) A kid first goes to school and he realizes that no French kids will be his friends. He makes friends with other Arabs and Black kids.

2) Then when the Arab and Black kids get a little older and want to go into Paris for a night out at one of the clubs, they are not allowed to enter. France is known for its selective entry policies. Most bars will not allow Arabs or Blacks through the front door. (reminds you a little of 1950s Alabama)

3) Then the Arab goes for a job and he can't seem to get a job that he is qualified for because he "doesn't look "French enough". It is unlikely he will ever be hired in the hospitality or tourism indstury because those people are expected to look "French".

4) He is shunned from entering any boutiques around Paris' Champs D'Elysees because people are worried he is going to steal. The store is suddently "closed" as soon as he enters.

I know I'm going to be called an "apologist" for this but everything I wrote here is very true and I have seen it because I have spent time in France.

Why is it that Muslim Americans have no trouble finding decent jobs in Dearborn, Michigan? Why is that they are Middle Class and have been here for 20 years while the French muslims are poor and have been in France 3 generations. Why is Dearborn not a ghettoized slum? Although a lot of French people would disagree with me, it is my belief that the system in France today is very similar to how it was in the Old South 50 years ago. Blacks were given Civil Rights (I would have been called an apologist back then too) and today there is not as much anger and racial tension between Whites and Blacks in the United States has been steadily decreasing for 40 years.

Posted by: Ryan at November 4, 2005 1:40 AM

I'm not talking about complaints about America. I'm talking about complaints about France. I'm saying that American muslims are doing very well for themselves compared to French muslims.

Posted by: Ryan at November 4, 2005 2:23 AM

Ryan,

As a Brit living in France I am aware of that attitude, I know someone who is working as one of the managers in a metal working factory, having worked up from being at the bottom. A lot of the people his company employs are Arabs. My friend universally despises them for their lazyness and arrogance. And this from a company that actually employs them.

Add to the fact that they do accept education, there are two Arabs in my sons class, they are disruptive and cheek the female teacher, as most primary and junior school (I will use the English term) teachers are females you can guess where this leads. I would suggest that you are wrong on the qualification front, very few of them can compete with the whites on qualifications.

At this point the economy in France is in a bad way, do you think companies can afford to give work to a person who has the wrong attitude. I know that this is a sweeping generalisation and unfair to some who obviously want to fit in.

But also note that many French are fed up with these people, every French person I speak to has at least one story of being attacked in some way by the Arabs. I went to one of the big cities for a festival and had an Arab youth try to barge me to the side of the road (he failed) and when coming back in the metro I watched a nasty confrontation between the police and a gang of Arab youths.

Do you know what I think, this was a planned attempt to derail Sarkozy and it looks like it has worked. Of course Villepin and Chirac will rub it in, crap move chaps as we will end up with Hollande in charge and if think Chirac and co are cheese eacting surrender monkeys wait to you see Francois Hollande, I shudder at the mess we will see having this person running France.

Posted by: Daffersd at November 4, 2005 2:26 AM

Ryan, exactly how many years (months?) were you in France?...and what years (months?) were they?

And if by chance you happen to find yourself answering this by exaggerating your time spent there, you might want to ask yourself why.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 4, 2005 2:27 AM

The only solution is the repatriation of these infil-traitors, whether they are legal or illegal.
Regardless, whether they have grown up or were born in the West, they cannot come to terms with a free and open society, they have no respect for our laws and their hatred will endanger all of us.

Some Mohammedan 'leader' on CNN said "the French don't respect them"- adding insult to injury. The hapless reporter swallowed it whole, unquestioned, as if respect for the scum of the earth was a natural thing...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 4, 2005 2:54 AM

Europe needs to get its act together fast or it will be prayers, fasting, amputations and women bashing for all. Eurabia is being born in front of our eyes unless we stop it right now.

What we need is for the unrest to spread multiple cities in multiple countries. Maybe then we can start forcefully repatriating.

Lets send in the troops, start housing swines in the mosques and give these muslim savages a f******g good kicking.

Posted by: km at November 4, 2005 2:59 AM

No one in France respects them, he is correct. What is there to respect, the ability to set cars on fire, the ability to beat someone to death for taking a picture of a lamp-post which they say is theirs, the ability to gang rape women and set them on fire when they have finished with them, the ability to create no-go areas, the ability to make law-abiding people nervous walking in the centre of French cities.

Respect is not something that should be expected, it is earnt, can someone deport this scum-bag back to whatever hole he came from please.

I listened to Cherie FM in my area, nothing was said about the rioting, then my wife rang me to tell me that it was continuing (she listens to a serious radio programme while driving to work) it seems that a load of buses have been fire-bombed and hundreds of cars.

I am pretty sure that Sarkozy wants to deal with it as it should be, but is blocked, also his political opponents are going for it, the rioters know that Sarkozy is on the ropes at the moment and that is part of their plan. We will end up With Francois Hollande as President, then the Islamofacists will win in France...

Posted by: Daffersd at November 4, 2005 3:06 AM

Peace to those who follow the straight path,
You should all know that God has no partners He is One, the Creator, the Sustainer of all life, the Cherisher, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, and He has the Most Beautiful Names. He sent all of the Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all) to remind the people to worship God, obey God and fear God. The Prophets and Messengers sent were many; Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Issac, Jacob, Joseph, Jonah, David Solomon, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad (peace be upon them all) are some of the names you may recall. None of them ever claimed a share in divinity, God has no need of partners, He is the All Mighty, the Sublime. The nations in the past that disbelieved in the Prophets and the Messengers (peace be upon them all) actually disbelieved in God, since He was the one who sent them to remind the people to worship God, obey God and to fear God. God's punishment is severe and His reward is the best of rewards. Ask yourselves what you are worshipping: following one's desires instead of God's Laws is straying way off the path! Jesus, peace be upon him, never told the people to worship him but instead to worship God. Jesus, peace be upon him, was never killed, he was raised by God up to Paradise and Jesus, peace be upon him, will return, to kill the Anti-Christ, destroy the cross, kill the pig, and abolish the jizyah tax (tax imposed on non-Muslims under the guardianship of the Muslim leadership), in other words, there will be no religion except Islam. The first thing Jesus, peace be upon him, will say when he returns is, "Inni Abdullah." (trans."I am the servant/slave of Allah"). "Allah" means "The God". Not two or three or twenty gods, One God. Paradise and Hell are real, God has already created them. These are not tales of the ancients or legends, these are true statements. Muhammad, peace be upon him, is the last Prophet and Messenger, when Jesus, peace be upon him, returns, he will follow the laws sent to Muhammad, peace be upon him, by the permission of Allah and implement them. God has created everything, He will fill Hell with Satan and all the evil doers, and He will fill Paradise with the good doers. The Day of Resurrection is real and it will be a hard day for the disbelievers because they will wish they were Muslim back on this earth praying and doing good deeds but it will be too late for them and they will be thrown into the fire to burn and the Hellfire is enough as a punishment. Who is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them? It is Allah, the Oft Forgiving, the Most Merciful, the One Who Accepts repentence. May God Guide you all and set your affairs in order. Peace.

Posted by: Abdullah at November 4, 2005 3:11 AM

Abdullah, 'slave of Allah', I regret to inform you that the fairy-tale you have posted above has been build on desert sand and does not stand for a second when the wind blows.

Mohammeds filth will not be allowed to spread in the West. The followers of your cult will be deported and the mosques closed.
If we have to go to war, so be it. We will not give up freedom and democracy for "submission", for becoming brain-dead slaves of Allahballahwallah...

Islam belongs in the desert. Islam is a mental desert, nothing comes of it, only death and destruction...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 4, 2005 3:41 AM

Abdullah= slave of Satan

Jesus, two thousand years ago, warned all of us that there will be false prophets, but they will be known from the fruits of their works. Your prophet came to world with greed, cruelty, malice as a liar, thief, murderer, defiler, and rapist... All in the Siira, Ahaddith, and the Quraan.

Matthew 7:15-23, we find Jesus gives us the guideline for determining false prophets:
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Read the Siira for the fruits of your prophet

2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.'')

Was your Prophet perfect and full of good works.

Proverbs 20:11 says, "Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.''

Posted by: have_mercy at November 4, 2005 4:06 AM

"when Jesus, peace be upon him, returns, he will follow the laws sent to Muhammad"

You mean Jesus will go around cracking open the heads of women who commit adultery with a rock and sit back to watch the brains ooze out? I don't think so. Extreme barbarism wasn't his cup of tea I am afraid.

...and now back to our wheather forecast for Europe! 20 degrees in Rome, 18 In Britain with late showers, and 400 degrees celcius in the mulsim suburbs of Paris.

Posted by: ashlee72 at November 4, 2005 4:08 AM

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

2 Pet 2:1 [NIV] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Pet 2:2 [NIV] Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
2 Pet 2:3 [NIV] In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Posted by: have_mercy at November 4, 2005 4:11 AM

In the BBC they are reporting that cars were set alight in Dijon last night, have not seen anything in the French media yet.

Posted by: Daffersd at November 4, 2005 4:13 AM

Many Prefer The False Prophet:

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Posted by: have_mercy at November 4, 2005 4:14 AM

http://www.gospelweb.net/CultureWar/mohammedvschrist.htm

Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).

Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).

Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).

Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).

Mohammed's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).

Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29, 35).

Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:10).

Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).

Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Corinthians 5:14).

Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).

Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21).

Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire (and preserve) His Word in more than one language.

Mohammed hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the Apostle commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16).

Mohammed allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a terrorist and an amoral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20).

Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in Paradise. The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total change of his life by the Spirit of God -- NO area of life and thought is the choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2).

The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation.

The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Mohammed said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness of a man; and Muhammed said a woman goes to Paradise because she satisfies her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25).

Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . . but now is My kingdom not from hence" (John 18:36).

Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A. Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).

The Koran says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244); The Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).

The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

The Koran says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qu'ran 8.12); God inspires His terror into the hearts of believers (Isaiah 8:13).

The Koran (Qu'ran) is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam; The Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the world (Romans 10:15).

Mohammed's Mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18).

Mohammed considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced (in His statement on many false prophets arising) Mohammed to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11).

Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).

Islam is geocentric, that is, the whole universe is centered on the Kaaba in the Grand Mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that direction; Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23).

Mohammed's Tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY!

Islam must be received, or you can be killed for rejecting it:

The Faith offered by Jesus Christ is for "whosoever will" to receive, and all men are permitted to reject it. (Revelation 22:17, John 3:16).

Those who leave Islam are killed in most Islamic nations; Those who leave the true Church of Jesus Christ are allowed to do so with no revenge.

Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah? NO!

He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear.

The true Bible believer is loyal to Jesus Christ purely out of love. 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (John 4:19) We love him, because he first loved us.

This concept is 100% alien to Islam -- There is no love in Islam -- Only fear and hate.

Posted by: have_mercy at November 4, 2005 4:22 AM

Sorry you all for the of topic postings. I was responding to Satan's slave who dared to post his junk.

Posted by: have_mercy at November 4, 2005 4:28 AM

The Times does not mention Dijon, but does speak of trouble in "nine towns in Seine-Saint-Denis, the suburban département that has France’s highest concentration of crime, unemployment and poverty."

And - "Evidence of the scale of law-breaking, in what are officially known as “les quartiers difficiles”, came with a police report yesterday that 28,000 vehicles had been torched in outbreaks of urban violence in France so far this year."

My French is limited to a 30 year old O-level. Does quartiers difficiles mean what I think? 28,000 cars is rather a lot.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1856833,00.html

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at November 4, 2005 4:35 AM

Quartiers, is like an area, arrondisment is an official area of Paris. You would have areas known as the Latin Quarter, around the Jardin de Luxembourg for example. My understanding is that the quartier is used to describe an area, so the areas where the Muslim live in the main and where it is a no-go area is described as a quartier difficile or difficult area. I hope that makes sense

28,000 cars, would not surprise me, I pass a quartier difficile on the way to the airport near where I live and often you will see smoke from burning cars. These thugs burn cars all the time, they seem to target the cars of the indigenous people first by the way. That is why so many leave.

There is so much that is not reported, you would be surprised. Sarkozy has tried to put the squeeze on these areas and up to now they were being more successful, but obviously this is the backlash.

My wife thinks they will send the army in, I hope they will, but there is much fear that the left will get in if they do something like that and that would be a huge catastrophe.

Posted by: Daffersd at November 4, 2005 4:45 AM

Ryan,

You're absolutely right in saying that there is a kind of segregation in French society between Arabs and French people.

This is due to French politics (f.e. separate large scale housing estates instead of improving on city centres) but also due to the Arab people themselves who - understandably - feel most at home amongst themselves.

You are however very wrong in comparing the French situation to the segregation in the southern USA. You talk about granting the Arabs civil rights but they already have them! They can enlist in the top French universities, use public transport, get redundancy pay and social allowances (too many know how to use this !),...

Then how come they don't prosper as much as American muslims ?

First of all, the muslims on the European continent are mainly descendants of poor, illiterate farmers of Morocco & Algeria. American muslims tend to originate more in the Middle East (Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt,...) and usually have an intellectual or commercial background.

Secondly, the US policy on immigration is probably a lot better than European policies. In the US all citizens (both US as non-US) are treated as individuals who will have to make a living for themselves (with the downside that when you don't succeed you have to rely mainly on charity).

In continental Europe you know you'll be supported by the government if you don't succeed/try. Furthermore, you're also treated as a member of an ethnic/religious minority who is disadvantaged in society.

Thus, individual immigrants are more likely to try to benefit from the overall society/government while they will only direct their positive qualities (which they have) to their own community. The segregation in France is more of a result of the Arabs themselves than of the government, although the government should owe up to its share of the responsability as well.

Only a combined effort from the government and from the local muslim leadership can turn around this negative spiral. Unfortunately, many others (mainly leftist politicians, NGO's & labour unions) have an interest in maintaining the 'disadvantaged' position of the Arab community so overall I'm rather pessimistic...

Posted by: SpartacusDeurne at November 4, 2005 4:55 AM

As a person who spent sometime on the receiving end of French-made weapons, sold to Sadam just before the War, which are designed to defeat our sophisticated armor, I say the hell with them. Nothing like seeing a Bradley armored vehicle burning by the side of the road that was hit with a state of the art French antitank missile to make you hate the French with convection.

(CNSNews.com) - A British newspaper reported that half of the rockets used in Sunday's attack on the Al Rasheed Hotel were French weapons produced after an arms embargo was imposed against Iraq following the Gulf War.

Posted by: have_mercy at November 4, 2005 5:09 AM

Ryan is this the same Dearborn Michigan that just recently had a march with muslims holding up signs which say America out of muslim lands and some in the march were holding up pictures of Ayatollah Khomeini? The same Dearborn Michigan several members of the muslim community have been arrested and convicted on terrorism.Just do a search of Jihadwatch and Dhimmiwatch.The muslim middle class will use what wealth and education to fund jihad and da'wa to advance Islam their goal is a worldwide Caliphate = Sharia.The only reason why they aren't as violent here is they don't have the numbers.

Posted by: RED at November 4, 2005 5:13 AM

Robert Spencer has on more than one occasion threatened to close down the comments section. Reading some of the contributions on this thread I wouldn't be surprised if he is of a mind to do so again.

Posted by: Effractor at November 4, 2005 5:36 AM

No Sympathy for France. Burn Paris burn... City of Voltaire and all the destructive, antichristian, decedent, anti-American ideals that brought Western civilization to the edge of the abyss.

You burn our vehicles with our boys in them, down our helicopters and you want us to cry when your ball s--t blows up in your face. Most of you, frog legs, think the CIA did 9-11. All your opinion polls show how much you arrogant idiots despise America. Your arrogance, cowardice, and stupidity thrust America into two world War and Vietnam to boot. With all the lives and treasure America wasted protecting you and saving you from Russian slavery we would have licked most of the problems that you use to take cheap shots at America.

French connection armed Saddam
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
September 8, 2004

New intelligence revealing how long France continued to supply and arm Saddam Hussein's regime infuriated U.S. officials as the nation prepared for military action against Iraq.

The intelligence reports showing French assistance to Saddam ongoing in the late winter of 2002 helped explain why France refused to deal harshly with Iraq and blocked U.S. moves at the United Nations.
"No wonder the French are opposing us," one U.S. intelligence official remarked after illegal sales to Iraq of military and dual-use parts, originating in France, were discovered early last year before the war began.
That official was careful to stipulate that intelligence reports did not indicate whether the French government had sanctioned or knew about the parts transfers. The French company at the beginning of the pipeline remained unidentified in the reports.
France's government tightly controls its aerospace and defense firms, however, so it would be difficult to believe that the illegal transfers of equipment parts took place without the knowledge of at least some government officials.
Iraq's Mirage F-1 fighter jets were made by France's Dassault Aviation. Its Gazelle attack helicopters were made by Aerospatiale, which became part of a consortium of European defense companies.
"It is well-known that the Iraqis use front companies to try to obtain a number of prohibited items," a senior Bush administration official said before the war, refusing to discuss Iraq's purchase of French warplane and helicopter parts

Posted by: have_mercy at November 4, 2005 5:36 AM

Anybody who calls himself an American patriot should not feel affinity with the French who are an undeclared enemy of the United States of America. I am telling you that the incompetent Bush administration has not released even one tenth of the damning information implicating France in aiding and abiding our enemies, undermining us, and conspiring against us. Any American who buys French goods is a traitor. No sympathy either because we must not feel sorry for an enemy because it is a psychologically defeating.

Posted by: have_mercy at November 4, 2005 5:49 AM

If you are a little tired of the western media analysis of the Intifada in the French suburbs, one can do worst than turn to the Russian media.

http://news.mail.ru/news.html?892852

Russians, of whom many dream of a chance to visit Paris, come by bus and stay in cheap hotels in areas that are, how can I best put this; multi-cultural. Although one would guess that if Russians were seriously interested in the glories of islamic civilization, they would chose an alternative destination, this is however what they often discover whilst staying in the city of light.

The busload of 28 tourists stayed at a hotel in the town of St. Denis, probably described in the brochure as the jewel of the gallic monarchic patrimoine. The Great Basilica of St Denis, begun by Suger in the early 12th century, is one of the earliest gothic churches anywhere and burial place of kings. While the tombs of russian Tsars are placed in the perfect setting of Petro Pavel Fortress in St Petersburg, the St Denis setting has become somewhat more multicultural in the last few years.

This church has been used, symbolically as a place of refuge for the 'sans papiers', the illegals who flaunt their illegality to delight of their adoring socialist fans. These fans can relish in the sacrilage of French history, spit on the monarchic past while piously professing love of their fellow man.

As long is he is not french.

The bus used by the russian tourists was parked in Front of the Mairie and was stolen overnight. It was later found in such a state as to be unroadworthy and useless. In the same group of tourists a young lady was mugged and raped on Monday.

Numerous robberies have been filed away in the 'get a round to it ' dossier in the prefecture. Seeing as so few of these zombies have been punished for destroying entire neighbourhoods, a mere tourist robbery or rape will not engender more than the now world famous gallic shrug from Paris' Finest.

A quote from the article which will not make it to Reuters, the BBC or the AFP is this:

"The young people attack those of us with white skin in front of the hotel despite the presence of security"

In other news, Philippe de Villiers has visited St Denis and has blamed massive uncontrolled immigration for the problems.

Last night was calmer apparently as only 400 cars were burnt in the Paris region, and 27 buses destroyed.

http://www.france-echos.com/actualite.php?cle=7486

The morning local paper covered the story of the train line RER B that was attacked by 30 'djeunes' and the driver was escorted off by the barbabrians. Nothing happened to him, but the savages robbed 2 people on the train.

Understandably, for once, the trains on this line are on strike today, demanding more security.

The RER B is the main train line between Charles de Gaulle airport and Paris. I would recommend that tourists either take the Taxi or the Bus from the airport to the city.

Or better still, visit Beirut, I hear it's quite a destination in wintertime.

doubt that the Russian visit Paris This

Posted by: Sebastien at November 4, 2005 5:55 AM

It seems to me that the Islamists have figured out a way to make an individual event (say the death of one or two "innocents") serve as a kind of suicide bombing that has really lasting effects. With a little planning, a good organization, and modest management, a small group of dedicated Islamisists could make a modest investment really pay off -- sort of like September 11th.

Posted by: sgale at November 4, 2005 6:02 AM

Can someone ban Geekpunk.

Sebastian, do you read Russian, impressive.

have_mercy, sorry...

Posted by: Daffersd at November 4, 2005 6:07 AM

geekpunk is another version of all we are working against

it has to go

Posted by: t-ham at November 4, 2005 6:43 AM

Daffersd. I merely dabble. :))

Bonne Journée

Posted by: Sebastien at November 4, 2005 7:07 AM

Bonne journee a vous, mon ami

Posted by: Daffersd at November 4, 2005 7:19 AM

Daffersd. Susanp à mon email si vous voulez qu'on puisse se rejoindre.

Salutations

Posted by: Sebastien at November 4, 2005 8:09 AM

sonofwalker:

some marshall arts were actually developed by Chinese monks precisely to protect themselves from harassment by bandits or whomever.

eff_islam:

The "chickens coming home to roost" thing makes me cringe with recollections of Ward Churchill's reflections on 9/11, but I'm sure there are a lot of Israelis who are thinking it couldn't have happened to a nicer country. Way back in the 60s, France under Charles DeGaulle's leadership, set the tone for "Palestinianization" of Europe's consciousness about the Middle East.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 4, 2005 8:30 AM

Sebastian,

I think Susanp has my email too, how do I contact her as I have not swapped emails before?

Posted by: Daffersd at November 4, 2005 8:48 AM

Daffersd. I have just written to her. She will kindly pass the message on I'm sure :)

Posted by: Sebastien at November 4, 2005 10:35 AM

Good job, Jihadwatchers.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 4, 2005 10:47 AM

have_mercy, when I said sorry, I also wanted to add something, about a lot of French supporting America, but someone has already done it.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20074

Scroll down to the American in Paris. I know a lot of French like that, don't tar the people with the same brush as the corrupt elite please, if only you could see the anger in some of the French. THere are a lot of socialist US haters too though.

We are all in this together, and of course we know that Europe is in a mess and will be under severe pressure in the medium term, and yes the USA will need to bail us out again.

Posted by: Daffersd at November 4, 2005 11:21 AM

Excuse me, but if it's well organized, it's not a riot, it's a rebellion. And there's only one solution to a rebellion; crush it using all available force. Unfortunate, yes, but the French partly brought it on themselves due to their policies. Ha! imagine anyone saying that about anyone other than Americans.

Posted by: Balrog at November 4, 2005 11:25 AM

Another night of Muslim mayhem and the French government continues to look at the riots as if they're deer caught in headlights. The stupidity of the French is beyond comprehension!

The Muhammedans claim the French are responsible for thier poverty and use racist employment tactics towards them are a load of crap! They don't want to work. I see them standing on corners working prayer beads, sitting in cafes sipping on coffee, praying five times a day and shopping. It never crossed their minds to find a friggin job and pull themselves out of poverty! Europe needs to close the door on liberal immigration policies and cut them off of welfare benefits.

Maybe it will force them to go back to their native hellholes.

Posted by: delia7 at November 4, 2005 12:07 PM

waterdragon52, it seems that the sense of my analogy was lost in the cascade of letters, like a martial arts expert unseen and unnoticed in a crowd of sweating weightlifters. No, my attempt at humor was lost like a sonnet in a telepone book, or a falcon in a flock of geese, or a....

Oh well, I had fun writing it. Though my fun was lost in a snowstorm of--

Oh. This site isn't all about me? What am I doing here? It's my birthday. I'm really handsome. I play the piano. Hello. Hello.

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 4, 2005 12:52 PM

sonofwalker:

Well, I noticed it, didn't I?

If you're single and planning to visit the centre of Upper Canada any time soon, let me know.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 4, 2005 1:30 PM

Muslims like Abdullah are addicted to Da'wa, they believe that they get brownie points when the knock at the gates of Jennah. The only time they will appear to make friends or be friendly to the kufr is for the purposes of Da'wa.

But fanaticism, self righteousness and proslyetizing the faith are not the exclusive domain of Muslims, are they.

Belief is mutually exclusive, thus inherently hostile to (and at war with) competing beliefs.

A veritable ongoing, never ending battle for god, and one that will not cease should all the world be of one religion, for that is the undeniable history of mankind.

Hey Yer Mami and others who so hate multiculturalists and multiculturalism, aren't you at all embarassed by your brethern like this one Here
only one of millions who also hate Multiculturalism and PC and who share almost identifical values with many Jihad and Dhimmi Watchers, save for perhaps one exception.

Posted by: Nariz at November 4, 2005 2:28 PM

waterdragon52, I am unaccountably single. Imagine!
Upper Canada is unlikely, but next year in Jerusalem, that's a hot date.

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 4, 2005 4:19 PM

Typical of nariz (in his response to Yer Mami), to equate any (or Most) of us here with the likes of the scum in the link he posted.

Hey giaour! God forgives you.

Posted by: Gary at November 5, 2005 5:10 AM