First fatalities were the two Darwin award winners who ran into the electrical substation. They thought the police were pursing them which they weren't. They got electrocuted.

They are "fatalities" the same way suicide bombers are. As in- "Their heroic son the Jihadist died in a suicide bombing. He was the one with the explosive vest"

Posted by: dennisw at November 7, 2005 8:09 AM

Jean-Jacques le Chenadec is deceased. Read it at:

http://www.france-echos.com/index.php

Where is the fatwa against his lynching?

The articles say this father was beaten to death when he tried to put out a fire next to his building.

Posted by: David England at November 7, 2005 8:23 AM

The AP article available on yahoo included:

"France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Union for Islamic Organizations of France, issued a fatwa, or religious decree. It forbade all those "who seek divine grace from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others." "

I can't help but notice the weasel word ("blindly").

When churches and schools are targeted, but not halal butchers, nor mosques (see Jihadwatch 2 posts previous), then the participants are not acting "blindly". So the fatwa does not seem to actually forbid their actions. Or am I merely cynical? To the various muslim apologists: please jump right in with your mendacity. Thanks.

Posted by: del at November 7, 2005 8:34 AM

Thoughts, Ryan?

Posted by: Gary at November 7, 2005 8:39 AM

Femmes lapidées à Noisy-le-Grand

Le Maire PS de Noisy-le-Grand vient de vider son sac à la radio : à Noisy, des scènes "hallucinantes" se sont produites sous ses yeux : des femmes ont été sorties de leur voitures, lapidées ; des cocktails Molotov ont été balancés chez des particuliers. "Je n'avais jamais vu ça de ma vie.. Je demande au Ministre de l'intérieur de faire son travail !"
Journaliste : "En gros, vous voulez que l'armée intervienne. "

Le Maire : "Attendez, vous imaginez un peu un élu socialiste demander à l'armée d'intervenir ? On en est pourtant là !"

Ce matin sur France-Culture.

The stoning of women (as Infidels, are they not necessarily women taken in adultery already, so no one should object to a little lapidation, now should they?).

When the self-consciously pacifist mayor, a Socialist, drops any objection to the Army being called in -- then possibly, if minds clear and do not, once the violence stops, cloud over again in a miasma of touche-pas-a-mon-pote high-mindedness about jobs, and ending poverty, and ending that "sense of alienation" (good god -- the sense of alienation comes from Islam, and needs no other source: there are the Believers and there are the Infidels, and the former can demand anyhting of, are owed everything by, the latter). How does the French state intend to deal with what Islam teaches, what is in the books of Islam? How? It can't. But it can limit the role of Islam, it can reduce and keep reducing, in a hundred sundry cunning ways, the ability of Muslims to come to France, to settle in France, to believe that they are not permanently on notice and permanently under observation so that the practice of Islam becomes difficult rather than easy, which mnay lead some to voluntarily return to Muslim countries, and others -- including those fence sitting "Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only" Muslims to at long last declare themselves, and jettison Islam altoghether, and noisily so, so that their children and grandchildren will never hav the temptation, no longer being Muslims or having to identify with Islam, at some later date to become "immoderate" Muslims after a generation or two of the "moderate" (and therefore, too many too crudely think) therefore unmenacing) kind in the same family. No -- the link has to be cut entirely in order to ensure that no future generation "returns" to immoderate Islam, or identifies with its aims.

Posted by: Hugh at November 7, 2005 8:43 AM

I thought one of the arguments for importing these backwards savages was the lack of workers.
Who is going to want to hire a mohammadan in France now? And for what jobs? Fireman? Policeman?

Posted by: American at November 7, 2005 8:44 AM

Interesting piece at FrontPage. France's intifada was predicted more than thirty years ago in Jean Raspail's Le Camp des Saints.

even Raspail did not dare portray the dreaded immigrant invaders as Muslims. But this omission ignores the fact that, in stark contrast to many Muslims in the East and West, many non-white immigrants, such as Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Chinese, Vietnamese, African and Caribbean Christians, are neither inclined to violence nor averse to assimilation. Not all Muslims are rioters; but most rioters are Muslims.

What we are seeing is, in effect, a French intifada: an uprising by French Muslims against the state.
When the police tried to take back the streets, they were driven out with the demand that they leave what the protesters called the ‘occupied territories’. And far from the claim that the disturbances have been caused by French policy of segregating Muslims into ghettoes, this is a war being waged for separate development.

The word 'suburb' has different connotations in England. Our suburbs have neat lawns, mock tudor, quiet desperation, garden gnomes and the odd bit of wife swapping. The nasty stuff happens in the inner cities.

Posted by: Interested at November 7, 2005 8:46 AM

Great article here...

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20083

Posted by: Cornelius at November 7, 2005 8:47 AM

Beat me to the punch 'Interested.'

Posted by: Cornelius at November 7, 2005 8:48 AM

Jacque Chirac will make a speech today indicating his policies for dealing with the infitada. He will announce that the French government will build more electrical substations in muslim neighborhoods and will turn up the power.

Posted by: GFB at November 7, 2005 9:02 AM

Cornelius, Interested, I would have beat both of you to that FrontPage article, save for the fact that nariz and kj see information from that site as engendering 'hatred and bile' towards their mind-set.

Posted by: Gary at November 7, 2005 9:07 AM

A hopeful look at Iraq's future through the eyes of one courageous Iraqi.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/dupont200511040836.asp

Posted by: Cornelius at November 7, 2005 9:18 AM

I saw those USAToday headlines yesterday and was shocked at how politically incorrect they were. All I ever knew about USAToday is that it is the fast-food of newspapers. Is it as conservative as the headlines imply?

Posted by: Cornelius at November 7, 2005 9:42 AM

Rioters have attacked two churches, throwing molotov cocktails on their door.

Posted by: NSberserk at November 7, 2005 9:44 AM

Here is what the French should do:

1) A two-state solution is required with the new Republic of Frankenstein perhaps sharing Paris as a capital;

2) In areas where the new Republic of Frankenstein does not encompass all of the Franco-Islamic peoples, the terrrible oppression of the Franco-Islamic people must cease! The Hijab must be allowed; the state must fund Islamic courts to properly administer Sharia Law; they must fund a separate Islamic school system; and, above all, all of the French people must be required to undergo sensitivity training in order to appreciate the beauty of the Islamic faith. How can the French people ever hope to understand the Franco-Islamic people unless all are taught the framework of Islam.

3) The French must tear down the terrible apartment blocks in which they have warehoused the Franco-Islamic people. They must build a proper house for each family. They must give every Franco-Islamic male a proper job which affords each man dignity and respect. The women must be given assistance with their child-rearing.

4)The new Republic of Frankenstein must be immediately given complete sovereignty. The French government should pay for arming and training its security forces. As well, the French government must do its utmost to strengthen the leadership of Frankenstein in order that their security forces can properly patrol and the police the new Republic.

Those who would question the proposals I make above should consider the wise words of Turkish Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051107/ap_on_re_eu/france_rioting_europe_1

Turkish Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan said France had ignored Ankara's calls for more tolerance, arguing that France's ban on head scarves in public schools triggered the riots.

"We've always told our friends in Europe that they should not lead to a clash of civilizations in order to prevent such incidents," daily Hurriyet quoted Erdogan as saying during a visit Sunday to Germany.

"We should work for an alliance between civilizations. There is a great duty which falls on the Christian and Muslim world. Europe should have evaluated this," Erdogan said. "We said it. But France did not take it into account. It did not listen to us."

Posted by: Mentat at November 7, 2005 9:47 AM

Riots spread to 300 towns:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/france

Posted by: Gary at November 7, 2005 9:47 AM

My only thoughts are that this has gotten way out of control and it needs to be brought under control NOW. I don't understand why a country with one of the biggest militaries on earth can't control this. Hundreds of thousands of troops are needed on the streets immediately before there is a Civil War here.

Posted by: Ryan at November 7, 2005 10:18 AM

Beat me to the punch 'Interested.'

Cornelius, you'd have to get up very early in the morning to beat me to the punch.

Posted by: Interested at November 7, 2005 10:21 AM

To Del:

"I can't help but notice the weasel word ("blindly").

When churches and schools are targeted, but not halal butchers, nor mosques (see Jihadwatch 2 posts previous), then the participants are not acting "blindly". So the fatwa does not seem to actually forbid their actions. Or am I merely cynical? To the various muslim apologists: please jump right in with your mendacity. Thanks."

Excellent point del. Exactly. Also, now that lots of destruction is already done and people have reached their tolarence limit with the rioters and punishment seems on its way, the devious muslim apologists & imams, start to distance themselves and their religion from the violence. Very very cunning like their leader Mo.

Posted by: lazysusan at November 7, 2005 10:25 AM

Unbridled, Cornelilus,

This frontpage was Phottoshopped yesterday by a LGF reader (David L). It's a fake, a parody.

Posted by: William The Crusader at November 7, 2005 10:29 AM

Ryan: Current French military amounts to 300,000, 1/3 of which Are already on the streets as Gendarmerie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_France

With the riots spreading, how soon until they are outnumbered?

Posted by: Gary at November 7, 2005 10:58 AM

Maybe it's time for NATO to intervene.

Or perhaps some of the Kosovo ALbanians who were spared the worst of ethnic cleansing due to NATO intervention might be willing to talk reason with their correligionists.

Or maybe the Serbs were right after all

Posted by: Chatillon at November 7, 2005 12:50 PM

And I'll bet the smelly French are STILL going to blame the rioting completely on Israel and the USA. As with virtually all Islamic-related problems.

Would anybody out there care to place any bets????

Maybe not. Because those who'd place money that the French AREN'T blaming the United States and Israel face a very good chance of losing their shirt!

Posted by: pythagoras at November 7, 2005 1:26 PM

Dear France:

Do you STILL believe Israel to be a "small, shitty" country?

An Israeli woman whose daughter was recently murdered by a suicide bomber during an interview stated she feels you and other European nations have "legitimized" Islamic terror. She added, "Europe, you're next. God help you."

We Americans tried to warn you.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 7, 2005 1:37 PM

pythagoras:

See Steven Plaut's Nov. 7 contribution to Frontpagemag.com entitled: The French Solution (land for peace, anyone). You'll love it.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 8, 2005 10:18 AM