I saw Christiane Amanpour dripping with PC when she interviewed these 'disaffected youth' of Paris.

You would think that she'd have learned something from all the years of travel and reporting from the ME, but far from it:

People like her wouldn't even wake up when Mo personally came back from the grave...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 8, 2005 7:12 AM

These riots are organized. The muslim youth have cell phones.
It is a lie that they are angry at being marginalized or unemployed.
They just know that Europeans are soft and malleable.
Muslim youth in Morocco or Tunisia or Egypt are also unemployed, their living conditions are fare worse than in France, but they don't get so wild and don't cause riots because they know they would be shot.

Posted by: rocky at November 8, 2005 8:06 AM

Mr. Spencer, please continue to sound the trumpet in order to expose the European jihad (this time taking the form of riots) for what it is.

Precious few others are doing it. And, you do it so well, in such a level-headed manner. Your writing has the ring of authority, that's because of it's implicit truth.

While I am sorry to see the destruction, I think this might be a loud wake up call, shaking the drowsy West from it's culturally induced coma. There's a part of me that is eager to see this grow and spread, so that a line may be drawn in the sand.

Posted by: chaplain at November 8, 2005 8:07 AM

Has anyone noticed the similarity between the situation in Israel and the Palestinians and that of the French and their Muslims?

This is another modern example of how Muslims take over: first make demands (headscarves, etc.), then violence, intimidation, and demand for their own territory within the larger state, and, eventually the big take over of their whole state.

This situation in France is given more press than that of Nigeria and the Philippines and other Muslim non-Muslim contested areas because France is a European country.

Posted by: epg at November 8, 2005 8:10 AM

epg:

It's actually a lot more formalized than you think. From a recent post in Melanie Phillips's on-line diary, Melanie asks some very germane questions and cites Spencer and Bat Ye'or on "Eurabia":

"In line with routine contemporary moral inversion, in which the perpetrators of violence are excused and their victims blamed instead by an alliance of Muslims and western decadents (Britain was blamed for the July bombings of its citizens because of Iraq) the French authorities are being blamed for fanning the flames of discontent by discriminating against the country’s Muslims. Should we also blame the Danes for refusing to accept self-censorship and asserting their own values of freedom of expression? Is every country to be held responsible for the jihad being waged against it - despite the fact that in every case the alleged provocation is different — rather then responsibility being properly assigned to those who have declared war upon the free world?

"Much of the coverage of the Paris riots has blamed the policies of France’s Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy for abandoning French Muslims inside squalid ghettoes and failing to integrate them. But as Robert Spencer points out, it is the Muslims themselves who insist on not being integrated. In her book Eurabia, Bat Ye’Or details:

...a series of agreements between the European Union and the Arab League that guaranteed that Muslim immigrants in Europe would not be compelled in any way to adapt ‘to the customs of the host countries.’

The European Union has implemented such recommendations for decades — so far from playing down the differences between ethnic groups, they have instead stood by approvingly while immigrants formed non-assimilated Islamic enclaves within Europe. Indeed, as Bat Ye’or demonstrates, they have assured the Arab League in multiple agreements that they would aid in the creation and maintenance of such enclaves. Ignorance of the jihad ideology among European officials has allowed that ideology to spread in those enclaves, unchecked until relatively recently.

Consequently, among a generation of Muslims born in Europe, significant numbers have nothing but contempt and disdain for their native lands, and allegiance only to the Muslim umma and the lands of their parents’ birth. Those who continue to arrive in Europe from Muslim countries are encouraged by the isolation, self-imposed and other-abetted, of the Islamic communities in Europe to hold to the same attitudes.

The Arab European League, a Muslim advocacy group operating in Belgium and the Netherlands, states as part of its ‘vision and philosophy’ that ‘we believe in a multicultural society as a social and political model where different cultures coexist with equal rights under the law.’ It strongly rejects for Muslims any idea of assimilation or integration into European societies: ‘We do not want to assimilate and we do not want to be stuck somewhere in the middle. We want to foster our own identity and culture while being law abiding and worthy citizens of the countries where we live. In order to achieve that it is imperative for us to teach our children the Arabic language and history and the Islamic faith. We will resist any attempt to strip us of our right to our own cultural and religious identity, as we believe it is one of the most fundamental human rights.’ AEL founder Dyab Abou Jahjah, who was himself arrested in November 2002 and charged with inciting Muslims in Antwerp to riot (Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said that the AEL was 'trying to terrorize the city', has declared: ‘Assimilation is cultural rape. It means renouncing your identity, becoming like the others.’

All of this does, however, smell of the usual orchestrated "uprising" a la the Palestinians seizing upon Sharon's visit to Temple Mount. They'd been preparing for a long time, just waiting for an excuse.

As for the AP piece lamenting the poor, alienated youth who have nothing to do except wear weird clothing and hang around street corners smoking dope, give me a break!

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 8, 2005 9:22 AM

Did anyone notice last night on the Lehrer News Hour that both "experts" being interviewed took the PC line. Isn't the News Hour where most of the American elite gets its day to day news? Kind of depressing...

Posted by: Benjamin at November 8, 2005 9:23 AM

"experts" - who were those "experts"?

Posted by: Hugh at November 8, 2005 9:29 AM

"experts" - who were those "experts"?

I realize this is sarcasm, but here is what the NewsHour site says:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/july-dec05/france_11-07.html

"To discuss the government's response and the origins of the rioting, we turn to: Alexis Debat, a contributing editor to the National Interest and a consultant for ABC News. He was a French defense ministry official and social worker before moving to the U.S. And Alec Hargreaves, author of "Immigration, Race and Ethnicity in Contemporary France." He is a French professor at Florida State University."

I do not remember a word of blame for the rioters. It was all the consequence of "oppression".

Posted by: Benjamin at November 8, 2005 9:53 AM

Mr. Spencer,

Hopefully this is the start of a full-blown intifada. Let them pull the mask off, let us pull off the gloves.
Freedom from islamic rule; That is something I will give my life for.

v/r,
Randall Covey

Posted by: wannabersc at November 8, 2005 10:06 AM

Tuesday, November 08, 2005
Burn Baby Burn

It's shocking even to myself to be confessing this, but the truth is I actually have found myself cheering for the moslem vermin to destroy the People's Republic of France. It's like I get this guilty pleasure of "I told you so" washing over me every time I see updates about violence spreading, cars and buildings burning everywhere, moslem clerics assuming power and giving the orders while Chirac and his government of appeasement feebly sits back trembling with fear...

Read the rest at: Madzionist Blogoff

-MZ

Posted by: Madzionist at November 8, 2005 10:37 AM

The following article is about a week old, but I only just saw it on the Jerusalem Post's web site. It is an interesting analysis of the current terrorist situation in Israel and may have some application to France:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1130954354399&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Posted by: Howard, Fine & Howard at November 8, 2005 11:04 AM

I remember hearing a story on the news some time ago about a wire tap of a conversation between two muslims (taken before the 11th september) During the conversation one of the muslims exclaimed: "Europe is already in our hands!"

He was right.

Posted by: restitutor orbis at November 8, 2005 11:41 AM

In their own words, from AFP, and as it is said, read it all.

Crime, despair, Islam: among the "rabble" in a riot suburb

A life of empty despair enlivened by crime and drugs and rationalised through the prism of militant Islam: this is the lot of the young rioters who have sent a shockwave through France with their ten-day trail of burning and destruction.

Among Abdelkarim and his friends, no one bothers to deny that they were in the thick of it the night before.

The story he tells is one of poverty, discrimation, dreams of his old homeland of Morocco -- as well as hatred of Jews, regular consumption of hashish and a swaggering satisfaction with his record of car-theft, prison and violence.

The group are all observant Muslims [Why is it always the observant Muslims? -Ed.]-- and though it would be far-fetched to describe them as jihadists it is clear that their worldview has been shaped by September 11, the rise of Osama bin Laden, the war in Iraq and the July suicide bombings in London.

"Did you see what happened in London?" says Mohamed, 22, his thumbs in the air. There is delight at being told that the Paris riots have become an international television story, featuring regularly on the al-Jazeera Arabic satellite television station.

An auburn-haired man alights from a car and is greeted by the friends. "See him? He was in Afghanistan with bin Laden. He has pictures of the two of them together," says Mohamed.

"I want to go back to Morocco," says Abdelkarim. "There are too many Jews here. Africa is the greatest. Here we are totally rootless. This is not our home. The French hate us and we hate the French."

Posted by: Lisa at November 8, 2005 11:49 AM

Chirac has announced that the moslems can now eat cake. Meanwhile, the latest reports have the rioting arabs now approaching the bastille...

-MZ

Posted by: Madzionist at November 8, 2005 11:59 AM

"Immigrant children revolt"-

German News! Deutsche Welle reporting! Help!

You gotta have some serious problems to portray the Mohammedan hordes as "Immigrant children...."

But when I switched to CNN I saw Becky Anderson and right after that C. Amanpour and now my hotel-room is covered in PC, I can't breathe, I can't breathe.....!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 8, 2005 12:38 PM

Here's a french perspective linked at littlegreenfootballs.

Scary.

http://www.nysun.com/article/22671?access=759097

France Facing 'Horrendous' Balance Sheet
BY MICHEL GURFINKIEL - Special to the Sun
November 8, 2005
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/22671

PARIS - A curfew was set up yesterday at Le Raincy, a neighborhood in the eastern suburbs of Paris. The order was issued by the local conservative mayor, Eric Raoult. The prime minister, Dominique de Villepin, made clear on television that similar measures might soon be enforced on a broader scale. "Restoring public safety is our top priority," he said. After 11 days and nights of rioting, the country was coming close to a civil war.

A map published in the afternoon by Le Monde showed that ethnic violence - the "French Intifada," as it is being referred to by some journalists and political leaders - had spread almost all over the country, with the exception of Inner Brittany, western Normandy, and Burgundy, where North African and black communities are small, and Corsica, where a large North African community is held in check by a local nationalist movement that itself is prone to violence. Most major cities, including Lyons, Marseille, Lille, Toulouse, and Bordeaux, have been hit.

Rioting and guerrilla-style street fighting were still rampant in the northern Parisian county of Seine-Saint-Denis - colloquially known as 9-3, after its postal code - where the whole thing started on October 27. The five other Parisian counties were hurt as well. The inner city itself, the ultra-chic City of Paris, was subjected to several ethnic raids over the weekend.

In terms of destruction and casualties, the balance sheet is horrendous. Between Sunday and Monday night, no fewer than 1,408 cars, including buses and trucks, were torched throughout the country. Schools, colleges, sports facilities, factories, shopping arcades, and even two churches - one in Lens, in the north, and one in Sete, on the Mediterranean - were burned. A local resident who attempted to stop a fire was beaten to death in Stains. Elsewhere, a disabled woman narrowly escaped being burned alive in a torched bus. Dozens of firefighters were wounded.

The first question one must ask is why the French government, admittedly one of the strongest and most centralized in the world, and certainly in Europe, did not consider imposing some measure of martial law in the violence-ridden areas much earlier.

There are many constitutional and legal provisions that would have allowed such steps. According to Article 16 of the 1958 constitution, the French president can resort to "exceptional powers" in case of a "major crisis": All he has to do is to consult with the prime minister, the chairpersons of both houses of Parliament, and the president of the Constitutional Council, who all four happen to be loyal followers.

According to Article 36, martial law can be decreed for a period of 12 days, and then confirmed by Parliament for extended 12-day periods, if necessary. The present Parliament is conservative-dominated. As for regular curfews, they can be decreed by the Cabinet without further review under a 1955 law. Moreover, it is an open secret that the for about 15 years French defense forces had made at least contingency plans for "urban battles" similar to what is happening now.

One reason for the government's procrastination has been that in a crisis scenario, much depends on the president, Jacques Chirac, and he suffered a minor stroke several weeks ago. Another reason is that both Mr. Chirac and his heir apparent, Mr. Villepin, were not entirely unhappy about the rioting, at least in its first stage, since it was a blow to their political rival within the conservative camp, the minister of the interior, Nicolas Sarkozy.

The temptation to sack Mr. Sarkozy - as a token of appeasement - may have loomed over them for several days at least. Moreover, Messrs. Chirac and Villepin have built their political identity on a Gaullist pro-Arab and pro-Islamic stand that became fully apparent three years ago, when France distanced itself from America in respect of Iraq. They may expect to harvest a large "immigrant vote" in the coming presidential and parliamentary elections, in 2007, and be reluctant to jeopardize it by taking an aggressive law and order line now.

Still, more factors may have played as well. The government may have been genuinely surprised and intimidated. It is one thing to know in theory that France has undergone major ethnic changes over the past 30 years and another thing altogether to confront a mass ethnic insurgency. The figures are inescapable. There are about 60 million inhabitants in continental France, plus 2 million citizens in the overseas territories (essentially the French West Indies and La Reunion island in the Indian Ocean). About 20 million, most of them white and Christian, are over 50.

Out of the remaining 40 million or so, 10 million or so belong to the ethnic minorities: Muslim North Africans, Muslim Turks or Near Easterners, Muslim Black Africans, Christian West Indian, African or Reunionese blacks. When one regards to the youngest age brackets, the proportion is even larger. It is estimated that 35% of all French inhabitants under 20, and 50% of all inhabitants in the major urban centers, belong to the ethnic minorities. Islam alone may claim respectively 30% and 45%. Since war is essentially the business of youths, the combatant ratio in any ethnic war may thus be one to one.

Which brings us to a second question: How ethnic is the present violence in France? Liberal commentators, both in France and abroad, tend to say that poverty and unemployment, rather than race or religion, are the driving force behind the riots. Mr. Villepin himself tends to share this view, at least in part. He said yesterday on TV that he is earmarking enormous credits for housing rehabilitation, education, and state-supported jobs in the areas where the unrest has developed. But the fact remains that only ethnic youths are rioting, that most of them explicitly pledge allegiance to Islam and such Muslim heroes as Osama bin Laden, that the Islamic motto - Allahu Akbar - is usually their war cry, and that they submit only to archconservative or radical imams.

The fact also remains, according to many witnesses, that the rioters torch only "white" cars, meaning white owned cars, and spare "Islamic" or "black" ones. One way to discriminate between them is to look for ethnic signs like a sticker with Koranic verses or a picture of the Kaaba in Mekka or a stylized map of Africa. Further evidence of the animating influence in the riots lies with the French rap music to which the perpetrators listen. Such music obsessively describes White France as a sexual prey.

A third and last question is what impact this unprecedented ordeal is likely to have on France and Europe? One would reasonably expect the French government to restore its grip over the country. What matters, however, is the long-term outcome. My guess is that the crisis will not be so easily forgotten or washed away among the "non-ethnic" citizens, including those of alien stock who have fully integrated into the French society as it is. Rejection of Islam and of North African, Black African, and Middle Eastern immigration may increase dramatically. And the prospect of Turkey acceding to the European Union may get even dimmer.

Mr. Gurfinkiel is the editor of Valeurs Actuelles, a Paris-based journal.

Posted by: Borg at November 8, 2005 12:40 PM

Dr. Jack Shepard; my Mission
Founder of People for Peace Group

Search Google for more of Dr. Jack Shepard's Statements

Dr. Jack Shepard; my Mission

"Mr. Sharon's policies toward the Palestinian People could be compared to as if Mr. Sharon
used an Atomic Bomb to kill an ant!"

If you are critical of the policies of Mr. Ariel Sharon, it does not make one anti-Semitic. Is the whole Israeli Peace Movement anti-Semitic? Is Prime Minister Peres anti-Semitic. Is Gush Shalom and all the Israeli Peace movements anti-Semitic? Are the 64 UN staffers in their Petition who only say "Israel stop killing us" anti-Semitic?

How can a IDF sniper after watching Iain Hook, a tall fair person with sandy colors hair for over 3 hours through a scope which Magnified by over 3+ times at a distance of 20 meters; equal to shooting someone at 14 feet make a mistake. Why was the ambulance stopped only 2 meters bleeding Iain Hook and could not rushing Iain Hook to the hospital?

Was Tom Hundrell's family anti-Semitic for say that their son was murdered? Was the IDF soldier who admitted lying about killing Tom Hundrell anti-Semitic? Was the Israeli Judge who arrested the IDF soldier who admitted killing Tom Hundrell's anti-Semitic?

The problem with Mr. Arial Sharon's military policies toward the Palestinian People is as Dr. Jack Shepard said:

" Mr. Sharon's policies toward the Palestinian People could be compared to as if Mr. Sharon used an Atomic Bomb to kill an ant!"

What happened, to thinking about God; and why have both sides forgotten what all the Prophets taught that; "We should love our neighbor, as we love God. "

Just stop
a military victory is impossible by either side.

So after Tom Hundrell's sniper murderer goes to jail; end it!

Snipers can see who they kill, if not they would not have qualified to be snipers.

The devil has placed
the Israeli's and Palestinians at odds,
exactly like the devil placed Joseph
and his brothers at odds.

When will both sides wakeup and act like Joseph, when he explained to his father why he forgave his brothers because the devil placed them at odds with him; but that time has pasted.

I pray for the day that both the Israeli's and the Palestinians both renew their faith in God and realize that the devil have placed them at odds to each other, and let this terrible time in both your histories pass.
Act like Joseph did with his brothers, you are both brothers, “Let God back into your Hearts.”

Presently neither side can say truthfully in their hearts
that their actions please God.

Forgive each other by start doing things that please God,
think what you are doing and look where the Devil has lead you.
Is anyone happy with the present situation?.

Throughout the Old Testament
it says every time the Israelites did things that did not please God, he punished them.

Wakeup God is knows all and forget about yesterday,
as Judith in her prayers says; God has Made yesterday
and pray to God
to make tomorrow, a tomorrow of Love and Peace
where you both can share and enjoy what God has given you.
Most important act like God, everywhere in the bible it says, “God is forgiving.” End it!
Forgive each other
and do not let the Devil continue to place you at odds;
open your eyes
like Joseph opened his brothers eyes and forgave them.

Both side just stop
and start doing things that will please God
your suffering will never stop like your past two generations.

This world belongs to God,
if you never learn to share. You can never please God.

I pray that God Blesses everyone in Israel
with Peace and Love both Jews and Arabs.

I pray God lets your eyes see what you both do is evil.
Until you both once again learn to Love each other as brothers; you both will suffer
because if one is anti-Semitic
he hates both Jews and Arabs because you are brothers.

Learn from Joseph as he forgave his brothers; I pray you can each forgive each other.
Do not let the devil
continue to place you at odds.

My words will be heard;
I hope for you sooner than later to end your suffering.
But through my faith in God and what I do; I know my words will be heard. God has his plan and his individual mission for each of us.
You have all forgot that each of us will individually be judged by God on our Day of Judgment.

You can say and do what you wish to me or any one else;
but God is all seeing and all knowing.

Those who act like people made for Heaven
will be judged as so, and
those who act like people made for Hell will be judged as so.

This Life is very short.
Those who will dwell and suffer in Hell by their actions have to remember it is FOREVER,
those who dwell in Heaven
will be the happy ones FOREVER!

Dr. Jack Shepard, founder of people for Peace Group

Posted by: Doctor Jack Shepard at November 8, 2005 12:43 PM

According to the above article the cars were not chosen at random. That makes me think, when the murders begin in ernest, how will the victims get away? No guns, no cars, no buses? They are doomed. Sitting ducks.

Posted by: Borg at November 8, 2005 12:44 PM

It's heartening that the Agence France-Presse reports the significance of the M and I words to these riots.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at November 8, 2005 12:57 PM

Is there any evidence of these riots being taken up by other muslim communities in Europe?
What did my JW brothers think of the History channel's crusade special? I thought it was pretty good.

Posted by: templar at November 8, 2005 1:12 PM

Sheppard,

There is no anti-Semite more dangerous than the self-loathing Jew. Just as Chomsky, Finkelstein and Lerner are self-loathing Jews doing everything they can to destroy Israel and the Jewish people, so too are you and your despicable terrorist loving group, Mr. Sheppard.

The damage you and cretin organizations like yours are doing to Jews and Israel is immeasurable, and I implore you to cease and desist your terrorist sponsorship at once.

You are a wicked man doing terrible things.

-MZ

Posted by: Madzionist at November 8, 2005 1:47 PM

Madzionist:

Jack Sheppard isn't Jewish. He's a Christian nutbar who logs onto JW every once in a while.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 8, 2005 2:01 PM

Waterdragon, thanks for the tip...

Posted by: Madzionist at November 8, 2005 2:06 PM

I was thinking Holland would be the first to go, maybe in 2035 or so. But the Jihad dynamics operating here seem to be more volatile, quicker.

The tripod of MSM, Olympian Elite, and Academe -- infused with billions of Euros in Wahabi bribe money -- may indeed be able to get things done quicker than anticipated. Look for the EU's corrupt judiciary to do its part, too.

Could it be Begium that goes Sharia first, say in 2017?

That would be quite a prize; the Belgians have a lot of nice Mirage jets. But there would be some nasty fighting over the NATO emplacements, what with all the nukes involved. The U.S. Army pullback to Antwerp would leave a bloody trail.

It would be cleaner for the Mullahs to take down Sweden first. They have full-fledged industrial bases in automotive, pharmaceuticals, electronics, chemicals, and defense. This would be a nice cash flow base from which to direct the second stage of this the Western Jihad.

PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH

I must admit to rethinking my earlier estimate that the Anglophone nations will drop the bullcrap after the Big One goes down. Listening to that pompous Persian trollop on TV last night shook me up reel bad. She was clearly upset, and seems to be losing all patience with us stupid infidels.

PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH

Let's say that, oh, a series of dirty bombs are exploded in Miami, D.C., NYC, and Boston in a single morning, with maybe about two million dead.

It could be that we'd fall into such a state of shock and fearfulness that the Tripod would shift us even further to the Left, and begin preparing concessions for the disaffected Moslems.

After all, you can't defeat an enemy you can't name.

At that dark juncture a military takeover would be are only credible course of action.

Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 8, 2005 2:26 PM

Madzionist:

Jack Sheppard isn't Jewish. He's a Christian nutbar who logs onto JW every once in a while.

Posted by: waterdragon52
I thought he was a muslim...

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 8, 2005 2:53 PM

Arab News says it's not an intifada. Oh, and if GB hadn't invaded Iraq, there would have been no 7-7. That is a sort of threat, isn't it?

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=72857&d=8&m=11&y=2005

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 8, 2005 7:45 PM

Nothing significant in the changing of attitudes will happen unless people realize two things. 1) These punks are NOT rioting due to racism or oppression or any of that nonsense. I am an immigrant child, my skin pigmentation is probably similar to many of those barbarians, my immigrant family was poor for a long time, I do commit crimes or incite riots. 2) What Chirac, de Vile, and all the Euro-dhimmi-elites need to realize is that the Muslim public will only be sedated with their one desire-absolute control. They thought they were safe because of their appeasement,their non-intervention and distancing themselves with the U.S. and her allies. They were wrong.

Wake up Europe, your end is almost upon you, it has stepped on your porch, it is twisting the knob...

Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 8, 2005 7:52 PM

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000709.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 8, 2005 8:05 PM

Tariq Ramadan warns against "putting an islamic spin" to the riots.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=25142&name=Scholar+warns+against+Islamic+spin+on+riots

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 8, 2005 8:14 PM

Excellent Cox & Forkum cartoon link, Carolyn, I think it summs up the situation accurately.

Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 8, 2005 9:05 PM

Islam's present-day jihad in Europe is only half the story.

The other half of the story is European civilization's suicide unfolding before our eyes.

Together they form a particularly tragic story for this or any other century. One wonders: did Europe's story have to turn out this way?

Posted by: pythagoras at November 8, 2005 10:51 PM

This is an interesting insight! [from a correspondent R:

It was received by R from a person who lives and teaches in New York, NY:

"Yes . . . , the social welfare there is more extensive than ours and, in my mind, more efficient. Best of all it's not a "hand out."

"France is a socialistically inclined country. All families, and when I say ALL it is exactly that, with 3 children and more get large discounts on all public transportation. They get an ID card with their discount on it and when they buy their monthly passes they get their discount. My parents only paid 25% because we were 8 people.

"All state/city baby nurseries or 'creches' translated loosely as 'mangers' to age 4, when the children begin public school at pre-K level, are free of charge.

"Public schools are still pretty decent and free to 12 grade.

"Unemployed people get workers' benefits, I don't know exactly how it works now but when I lived there it was 6 months or they found you a job.

"French people who work enjoy more paid vacation and benefits than we do here. If they are fired or the business goes out the employer must pay them one month salary for every year that they worked after the first year.

"Needy people are taken care of, let's say a woman is abandoned, with little kids, by her husband. She will get immediate care. I can't say the same for older people.

"Every family, no matter their income, gets 'allocations familiales' or a monthly stipend for their children's welfare. They can decide how to spend that money. Many of my friends and relatives save it for the children's future.

"There are many programs to help people retrain for new jobs. Many programs to help the young get jobs.

"The people you referred to are Muslims and that is the problem. Many of them came to France with no papers. Many are illegal. France invited many "
'French' people from their former colonies to live in France. Example my childhood friends, a family who came from Malagasy (Madagascar) Mother, father and 8 children. Both mother and father worked in the schools and came up through the ranks to top positions. Both school principals. The eight children are ALL in the medical profession. 2 Surgeons, cardiologist, internist, gynecologist, dermatologist and 2 surgical nurses. I could give you other examples. These are Christian people with moral values and work ethics and they did very well in France.

"The Muslims including the 'new' ones in France produced 'illegal' prostitution. Anyone can laugh with my quotation marks around illegal. I believe that the French system of medically checking the prostitutes and having them registered at their police station, reduces violence against women and especially rape.

"The Muslims new or old brought with them a 'colonial' mentality that it's better to steal and rob and murder than to work for an honest salary. They brought low sets of values and expectations for their kids. It's always easier to milk the government than to go to work every day. And of course, even easier to blame your problems on everyone including Jews who have nothing to do with them.

"Now, I can get off my soapbox! I despise all of them and if the French don't take a tougher stance such as Sarkosy's who is the only 'man' among them, worse will befell France at not in the far future."

[signed] L.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at November 8, 2005 10:58 PM

Your 72 virgins await. (Posted at LGF)
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Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 8, 2005 11:57 PM

Mr. Spencer,if CAIR is simply nothing more than a propaganda get-up for the world jihad,(and they are),then nothing,nothing,you do or say is going to be viewed by them with any other mindset than utter distain.Some of the comments posted here are hateful...but that's what happens when our nation is attacked,our citizens killed by suicidal maniacs hiding an agenda of hatred under the mantra of a so called "religion".People here are fed up because these individuals use our own tolerance for religion against us by exploiting the very same western values that allow them to spew their hatred under the guise of their so -called "religion".They don't like you,or me,or anyone else that does'nt expouse to their way of"thought",if one can call it that.There is no tolerance for any other way of "thought".The main concern of everyone here,including yourself is to communicate the very real danger of our culture,and civilization as we know it,becoming extinct.Don't bother yourself with the protests of the very same enemies of humanity that threaten not only our way of life....but our childrens as well.I can't imagine a single non-muslim religious sect raising the same objections in a muslim country without being arrested,tortured,and/or killed outright!A council on Arab - Christian relations does not,nor will it ever exist! The hypocrisy is outrageous!!!

Posted by: leviticus at November 9, 2005 9:56 PM

What can we do to prevent this in the U.S. ??

Posted by: parainvesta at November 10, 2005 3:02 AM