The French have been bent over, spreading their cheeks wider as each day passes. Chirac's stern warnings of securing order and continual begging for peace along with excuses that the Islamic rioters have nothing to do with Islam simply argues that France will gladly grant concessions that include sharia law.

You know, all the mult-culti fuzzy, feel-good kumbaya crap the French are still trying to champion.

There is no chance for France.

Posted by: Mussolini at November 8, 2005 1:02 PM

France is doomed. They reject religion, everything is relative and negotiable. I'm betting they will eventually cede territory as semi-autonomous areas; you know - like the West Bank and Gaza. Perhaps we'll have heavily armed zones like this all over Europe.

Posted by: rafael699 at November 8, 2005 1:09 PM

Gasp!

The TV reports that "Immigrant children revolt...!"

"One of the notable aspects of the violence thus far is the absence of murder. The militants have apparently decided to limit their campaign to property damage. No doubt this is because their objective is political, not military. As some Muslim leaders have explained, what they want is autonomy in their ghettos. They seek to receive extraterritorial status from the French government, meaning that they will set their own rules based, one can assume, on Sharia law."

From above.

Now what does that mean? Land for peace? No. It confirms that all of it is organized, orchestrated, planned and executed as classic Jihad-warfare, and the French -and everybody else- are on their knees gobbling it up... Unbelievable!

I am beside myself. so much cowardice, so much ignorance and stupidity. How much longer?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 8, 2005 1:18 PM

"And I shall make of you a great nation; I will bless you, and make your name great, and you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse; and all the families of the earth shall bless themselves by you." Genesis 12:2

Those who curse Israel for defending itself against terrorists shall find themselves surrounded by terrorists. Those Europeans who sought so long to destroy Israel by converting Israel to a foreign religion will themselves be destroyed by being converted to a foreign religion.

"You do not yet realize your importance. You have only begun to discover your power. Join me, and I will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict, and bring order to the galaxy." Darth Vader Episode:5

Non-Jewish Zionists Unite!

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 8, 2005 1:22 PM

" As some Muslim leaders have explained, what they want is autonomy in their ghettos. They seek to receive extraterritorial status from the French government, meaning that they will set their own rules based, one can assume, on Sharia law. "

The events and reactions in France look very similar to what happened in Kashmir...'Kashmir seperatists' arent they ? Give us a independent Kashmir (so that they can merge with Pakistan), they say. Same arguments for independence (lack of assimilation, cruelty of local law enforcement...Indian army v/s French Police, etc) are put forth.

Background may be different in France and India but the Modus Operandi of the Islamists is getting increasingly similar.

USA please learn from all this !! US has to win against the war on terror.

Posted by: lazysusan at November 8, 2005 1:45 PM

I meant:

US has to win against the terrorists. US has to win the war on terror.

Posted by: lazysusan at November 8, 2005 1:46 PM

Ummm..."the absence of murder"?? Might want to update your post.

Posted by: Saira at November 8, 2005 1:49 PM

Can they have extraterrestrial rights, too? Say on Pluto?

Posted by: Whistling Dixie at November 8, 2005 1:52 PM

Have the Islamic authorities announced which school of Sharia they plan to adopt? It would be interesting to look up some of the codes, and check for compliance with EU requirements.

Will the EU have to participate in this concession?

PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH

Step back from all the hand wringing and teeth gnashing.

This crisis represents an opportunity for a brave new world in socialism. Multiculturalism, if taken to its logical conclusion, will surely allow for some Jacobin enclaves too.

Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 8, 2005 1:53 PM

Even the Wall Street Journal suggest in the following article that an Islamic enclave is the goal. The article further postulates that having the French government actively seeking the imams powers to quell the violence further reduces the authority of the state in these enclaves by turning to Islam as the solution.

[N.B. - The title of the article is linked to the URL of the article, but WSJ redirects it to an opening flash intro page, then onto its main page of today's articles. This article appeared yesterday, but does show up under the most read heading on the main page.]

Culture Clash Muslim Groups May Gain Strength From French Riots Islamists Try to Mediate Peace But Encourage Isolation From Secular Society

Every night, Magid and fellow members of the Tabligh sect of Islam fan out across the grim projects of this poor, immigrant suburb of Paris and try to talk some sense into the angry young men who have been setting it ablaze.

As France enters its 12th night of rioting, Islamic organizations like the Tabligh, which originated in the 1920s in India, stand to benefit from the unrest and emerge strengthened from it. The Tabligh advocates a strict adherence to Islam but also a disengagement from society.

While gangs of disaffected youths, mostly from Muslim families, continue to rampage, burning thousands of cars and ransacking entire neighborhoods, some of these organizations are positioning themselves as mediators who can bring back the order the government has been unable to restore.

These groups don't preach violence, but they do advocate something that is troubling Europe's secular democracies: that Muslims should identify themselves with their religion rather than as citizens. Effectively, they are promoting a separate society within society and that brand of Islamist philosophy is seeping into many parts of Western Europe. Countries from France and Germany to the United Kingdom and the Netherlands haven't succeeded in integrating their Muslim minorities -- and Islamic organizations have carefully positioned themselves to fill the breach.

The riots "are a blessing for them because it gives them the role of intermediary," says Gilles Kepel, a scholar who has studied and written extensively about the rise of Islam in France. That, in turn, puts them in a stronger position "to force concessions from the state," such as demanding a repeal of the law France passed last year banning headscarves from public schools, he says.

Posted by: Lisa at November 8, 2005 1:55 PM

From the Jerusalem Post article:

"The firebombers and marauders in today's riots do not feel any significant commonality with the people they are rioting against. As Theodore Dalrymple explained in his Autumn 2002 City Journal essay, The Barbarians at the Gates of Paris, the Muslim youth rioting today feel nothing but nihilistic or Islamic hatred and alienation from their country and their countrymen. In his words, "They are of France, but not French." "

Of course, this is not just a French problem.Consider this sentence from an article, written by Lodi resident Joe Guzzardi in 2001, concerning his central California town's Muslim population.

"In today’s multicultural America, an immigrant can pick and chose. He can take what he wants and leave alone what he doesn’t. What is taken is economic betterment and what’s left alone is all things American."

http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/americanisation.htm

Posted by: PRCS at November 8, 2005 2:03 PM

Don't pin any hopes on the US winning the War on Terror.

Our media refuses to acknowledge who the enemy is: Islam. The US media is populated by the long-haired anti-American hippies of the 60s. Nothing America does will be viewed as politically correct, unless it is to surrender.

Both political parties in America whore to the media in a frenzy of self-serving interest. The left's anti-American approach is welcomed by the media, and the right's attempt to abase itself and submit to the politically correct blindness is tolerated as the only good that can come from the right.

With the media against naming the enemy as a desire to fuel the anti-American jihad, and the government falling for the "politically correct" pathos, Islam will continue to advance and be ignored.

You cannot win a "hearts and minds" campaign (even if the media got over its narcissistic egotism) when the enemy believes that all non-muslims are tools of satan. Winning a H&M campaign would mean that religious people would have to sell out to "satan."

It's just not going to happen. Islam will win.

Posted by: Mussolini at November 8, 2005 2:18 PM

"Non-Jewish Zionists Unite!"
Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 8, 2005 01:22 PM

Easier written that acted upon. I'd have left for Jerusalem long ago if there were any uniting to do. And if we were to unite, what then? There's a cafe just inside the Zion Gate (as I recall) in the Old City, a cafe run by Christians near to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre where the coffee is passable and one might find friends of like mind. But what's the plan, and how does one make 200-300 NIS a day to survive till it happens? The jihadis have Saudi Arabia and crime to finance them; but we live like men, and that requires some practicality.

When Jabotinski calls I'll answer.

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 8, 2005 2:38 PM

Mussolini:

The MSM and many Democratic Party politicos can't accept that Saddam had WMDs.* How could they assimilate a concept as relatively abstract as a war against terror?

*
* 1.77 metric tonnes of enriched uranium
* 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents
* 17 chemical warheads containing cyclosarin (a nerve agent five times more deadly than sarin gas)
* Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas
* Roadside bombs loaded with mustard and “conventional” sarin gas, assembled in binary chemical projectiles for maximum potency

This is only a PARTIAL LIST of the horrific weapons verified to have been recovered in Iraq to date.

On the other hand, if you check out the Free Iraqi's blogsite, this Iraqi blogger has no problem demonstrating that the invasion was indeed a war against terror. Scroll down to his August 5/05 response to Zawahiri's letter to Al-Zarqawi.

http://afreeiraqi.blogspot.com/

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 8, 2005 2:58 PM

"and as you saw the feet and toes, part of burned potter's clay and part of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom." daniel 2:41

this is what islam is currently achieving. we have entered the time frame of the feet of the statue, comprised of iron and clay. it is at the end of the roman legs of iron. in these feet and toes, islam is the clay and rome (the west) is the iron component.
the clay (islam) is currently infiltrating the iron (the west), as we are seeing in france, thailand, etc.
the clay (islam) will not assimilate with the iron (the west) but it will result in a divided kingdom, and as we are seeing, islam is demanding it's independent enclaves in every nation worldwide. it will happen:

"....so they shall mingle themselves in the seed of men (in marriage bonds); but they will not hold together (for two such elements or ideologies can never harmonize), even as iron does not mingle itself with clay." daniel 2:43

so even though some in the the west choose to marry muslims and vice versa, the two ideologies will remain separate and divided in the sense of assimilation. assimilation of the ideologies will not happen.
next, perhaps in many decades, will be the formation of the ten toes, or kings or regions of the world who will in the end give their power to the "beast" or antichrist, whom jesus will destroy with the light of jesus' coming.
for the toes to form, it might take a few centuries but no one really knows. i wish it would happen quickly, but i just think of the height of one's feet as compared to the height of one's legs, the legs being the time period of the roman empire which is perhaps a few thousand years. we also don't know if the statue was long and lanky or short and stout. saying the feet are a tenth as high as the legs, a tenth of that leg height of 2000 years would perhaps be about 200 years, so islam will be with us for a while, i think, and islam will get it's enclaves.

"and in the days of these final ten kings shall the god of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall it's sovereignty be left to another people, but it shall break and crush and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever." daniel 2:44

even though i posted these verses last week (daniel 2: 31-45) , i just wanted to mention this again for those who are confused or dismayed about islam's infiltration of the west. not that freedom doesn't need defending, but the end result, the synthesis, will be a mixed kingdom. these feet of the statue will exist until the ten kings (brittle ten toes) are given power over the earth and then jesus christ returns to replace all these kingdoms and rule the world forever. so everybody place your faith in the proper object, jesus christ, because his kingdom will be eternal and is the only game in town.

Posted by: listen to realanswers.net at November 8, 2005 3:16 PM

"The MSM and many Democratic Party politicos can't accept that Saddam had WMDs."
-- posted by waterdragon52

Cuz they've got the Islam Fictive Reality Zone that says it must be so. Fact-basis does not matter any more; repetition and credibility prevail now.

It's like the socialist yesterday weeping that they can't bear to call in the French Army because to do so would be to admit defeat. It is better to suffer actual defeat and be able to cling to the fictive impression of socialist victory.

Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 8, 2005 3:21 PM

There was a counter-guerilla strategy used last century called, and I'm paraphrasing, "the oil-spot or oil-stain". You secure scattered small areas, the "oil spots", then use them as bases for sweeps and patrols, clearing additional areas as you go and the scattered "oilspots" enlarge like a spreading slick, eventually connecting together, eventually making one large guerilla free "oilspot".

Someone's been doing his homework.

sonofwalker;

absolutely outstanding set of essays.

Posted by: t-ham at November 8, 2005 3:39 PM

"French Muslim leaders want autonomy, Sharia law..." and people in Hell want ice water......

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at November 8, 2005 5:29 PM

"The jihadis have Saudi Arabia and crime to finance them; but we live like men, and that requires some practicality."

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 8, 2005 02:38 PM

Well, the way we do it will pretty much be the same way the Muslims do it.

They live it up here on the West Coast while they send their spare cash to Muslim "charities" and buy muslim goods, which go to fund suicide bombers.

I live it up here on the West Coast while I send my spare cash to Magen David Adom or IDF charities and buy Israeli goods, which go to fund soldiers to catch suicide bombers and catch other terrorists.

At the moment, Israel is acting as a MASSIVE lightning rod for terrorists and Islamist Extremists. It's just too efficient to wage proxy wars rather than fight terrorists ourselves.

I.E. Waging a proxy war through Israel costs 900 million dollars a year.
Waging an actual war, such as Iraq, costs 200 billion dollars, plus American casualties.

See, that's how you got to think. Why deal with things yourself if you can pay experts to do it for you? Plus, since Israel is so much smaller than the Western world, it costs much less to pay for heavy security on every inch of tiny Israeli soil than on the massive North American, Europe, and Australian continent.

Consider how much money Muslim countries spend to slander Israel and fund terrorism against Israel. That'd be spent on US if we didn't have our lightning rod.

The best thing we can do, as Americans, is keep the lighting rod in good shape - all from the comfort of our homes half a world away. Simply put, the lightning rod saves American lives. Sending financial aid to the lighting rod saves Israeli lives, which indirectly saves American lives.

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 8, 2005 5:48 PM

An MSM station just reported that France has (finaly!) created a state of emergency. I predict bloodshed, Muslims crying foul, more dhimmitude.

16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Muslims consider Ishmael their patriarch...

Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 8, 2005 7:26 PM

Yes, jade dragoness, I fear you are right,
france is falling, it is no more conjecture.
Who will save the works of art, the architecture?
Where are the heros, the heroines?
Who will die defending their freedom?

we here weave a net together and form
a motley band of all colors and kinds,
but of a like mind when it comes to freedom.
We are the watchers and see
slavery comes with submission.

But,always, in life,things change,
and so can France,
in a blink of an eye,
when the unexpected drops by.

I've read on a blog that the jihadists were connecting the dots for us, from Bali to france-is-burning,calling it the great ramadan offensive.
Has anyone else seen a newslink to this?

Posted by: the poetess at November 8, 2005 8:02 PM

Blood will spill
dhimmis will bend to Islamic will
people will die
CAIR will lie

But do not fear
for Mr. Spencer is here!
I firmly believe in the written word
the blog is mightier than the sword

=D

Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 8, 2005 8:25 PM

Yes, I think France should start thinking of a land-for-peace deal with its Muslim minority. It would be the humane, sensible, fair-minded thing to do, no? After all, it's supposed to work for the Israelis, isn't it?

Peaceful Kepha

Posted by: Kepha at November 8, 2005 8:48 PM

JadeDragoness,
you know your abc's,
your skill in form
is only exceeded
by your wisdom and wit.

Posted by: the poetess at November 8, 2005 8:52 PM

I dont understand when would the french start using real bullets. Enough of rubber bullets.

Posted by: Kaafir at November 8, 2005 10:18 PM

How about Devil's Island? Do the French still own it - understand it's difficult to escape from??

Posted by: Morgane at November 8, 2005 10:36 PM

One of the main advances in Human history comes from the French Revolution, and it is the concept that history is progressive rather than cyclical. We in the West get that idea. Our Muslim cousins don't. Where do we go from that impasse? During the revolutionary period of 1789 the French went to the streets and to the chopper. Those were the choices. There were the victorious progressives, those we call today the bourgeios, and there were those who got their miserable block-head lopped off. Progress was difficult, and some people died at its hands. The fight continues to move progressively, the remnants of the past age still fighting to restore the old order.

One of the benefits of the French Revolution for us, for you, is that all men are equal before the law, and the law is universal. No one is entitled to this or that simply because he was born into a "title." But that was yesterday. Today there is no universality. Today there's a law for me and a law for you and a different law for Mulsims in France.

I suggest that if there is a different set of laws for different sets of people, laws that are based on their identity, that the universality of law, of Human equality before the law, is finished.

If a Muslim is judged by one law due to his religion, and you are judged by a different law based on the whims of the state, then there is not real law at all. There is only: titles and privileges and tarot cards.

I do, and I will, go on.

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 8, 2005 10:45 PM

Son of Walker,

Interesting thought process. I think you've got something there. But there's more. The French seem to have very hard heads because they seem to only learn after they've suffered, A LOT. Unfortunately, it seems that they are destined to suffer again. They are certainly not getting the memo now. But there is hope. There was the resistance movement during WWII, when French hard headedness + patriotism + resentment fueled a bitter backlash against the occupying Nazis. And the Nazis were eventually defeated.

Perhaps they are tired. I remember talking to a German lady, in line for a ride at Disneyland, and I being young and idealistic, told her why we had to stand up for right. She gave me a disturbed look and told me that if you've ever been through a war, you never want to go through it again. But would war be worse than being told by a bunch of people who don't share your values that you will do it their way or they will kill you? How is that any different from war? It's all war.

Perhaps the French have sold themselves out by rejecting their religious heritage. Now that they are totally secular, who will they turn to in times of trouble? Will their cynicism protect them from being set on fire or beaten to death in the streets? Will it comfort them when they have nowhere to turn and when their hope is all gone? I think they will have to turn back to the only One who can help them. And we'll have to do the same thing if we are going to survive this new holocaust.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 8, 2005 11:15 PM

One of my favorite quotations from Jean-Paul Marat runs roughly thus: If we had acted in time to prevent the damage the reactionaries were doing we would have had to kill a few thousand of them; but now that we've let the situation get out of hand we have to kill substantially more.

Yes, I can appreciate the lady's comments regarding the nature of war. I also know what it's like to lose one. From my experience, losing is far worse than fighting. the lady referred to above can express regret in hindsight as one who won. So too can the Germans. And the Japanese. Those beaten by progressive Modernists have won. Now it's our time to fight again; and I don't care how bad war is, it's better to fight it and win than to regret the loss of life and not fight and lose. We will lose not to democrats and republicans but to savages who will drag us down to the early Middle Ages, into barbarism that we have only in the past 250 years of deep struggle managed to build against all likelihood. That's a war I'm not prepared to lose.

At the same time, I'm highly displeased at the thought of winning the war and losing my soul for it, so so say. Marat was a talented mathematician, which I cannot lay claim to being. But I do understand the numbers in terms of people as men and women with real lives, and if we kill fewer it is better than killing many. If it comes to war, which it obviously has, then we must act as forcefully as reason and justice require, and not a bit more-- nor one bit less. Anything less than the complete triumph of universal equality before the common, positive, and rational law is the corruption of Man. It means no law at all.

Law, not being a lawyer either, seems from here to be a matter of contracts. We agree to follow our contracts with each other and with our fellows combined in the name of the state. When we have disagreements concerning our rights and obligations under the contract we take our cases to the courts of our fellows. That is justice, like the outcome of the case or not. but there is no justice, and the contract is null and void if the rules are one thing for him and different for me.

What do we lose if we do not fight for justice and the equality of all under the law? What do we gain if we refuse to fight for the progress of our triune revolutions of America, France, and Industry? We get a return to feudalism and the savagrey of sharia. What's worse? A war for the institution of progress and justice for all at the expense of those who die in the struggle, or Islam?

If we allow the imposition of inequity in France, of exceptionalism for Muslims, of privilege for the rich and the well-born, of special laws for them and yellow badges for others, then, when the struggle becomes unavoidable, who gains when we must then kill in the multiple of the thousands?

War is hell. But losing it to savages is so unimaginably worse-- if it's outside your experience-- that you will do what you must to preserve the steps we've taken to date in our revolutions for Human decency. It's a war that is worth fighting. And it's worth winning, too.

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 8, 2005 11:50 PM

I hope to see France call in the "Marines", and end this fear of a few "teenagers".

I know they are not a country that call the USA a true frend, but perhaps this will aid them in seeing this in a new light. I do hope good comes from all of this, for the free world's sake.

If not, then the words of the Pink Panther...

"There are times for laughing, and there are times for crying, and this is not one of them"..

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at November 9, 2005 12:06 AM

Philosopher Jean Jacques Rousseau warned: "Human being are by nature neither kings nor nobles nor courtiers nor rich. All are born naked and poor, all are subject to the misfortunes of life, to difficulties, ills, needs, pains of all sorts… Each of us may be tomorrow what those we help are today. Do not, therefore, accustom yourselves to regard the sufferings of the unfortunate and the labors of the poor from the height of your own glory. Understand that the fate of these unhappy people can be yours, that all their ills are there in the ground beneath your feet. Observe well the vicissitudes of fortune."
Tragedy has taught, we are vulnerable to what has befallen others, we are responsible to come to their aid, not merely to ease their suffering, but to make the world safer and better for us as well. The ultimate consequence of our sense of vulnerability, according to Rousseau, is to realize that only a ‘fragile’ happiness is born in us. We are free men. To preserve our (non-Islamic) way of life, we must take the necessary steps, not only to ensure, the kind of riots in France, will never occur in America, but to help Europe concur this creeping threat to the West.

Posted by: Rational at November 9, 2005 12:32 AM

Remember that the Muslims are offended that the cross was seen as a symbol of the crusades and as such is offensive to Muslims. Perhaps if the French were to bow down and say we are sorry that Charles Martel won the battle of Tours then perhaps maybe they will forgive but realizing that as the crusades are still fresh intheir minds it is doubtfull they may have to pay for winning back in 732. I hope this isn't the case but as Muslims never seem to forgive nor forget what else must we think. The ceoss of Saint George is offensive to them the commic pictures are how much must the defeat at Tours trouble them. Every day the French must say sorry for 732 maybe they will be spared .

Posted by: mark52 at November 9, 2005 1:17 AM

There will be NO communal authorities or extraterritorial status in France. NEVER.

Simply because it's absolutely not compatible with french history, political culture and french culture itself. The French Republic is "Une et indivisible" (one and indivisible) from Brest to Strasbourg, from Lille to Marseilles and from Clichy-sous-Bois to Trappes. And it's the same in Corsica, in French Guyana, in French caraibs...

Nobody here (from left to right) would accept to see districts or towns ruled by laws different from french laws, I can assure you.

Posted by: French Patriot at November 9, 2005 10:38 AM

I have every confidence that France will handle this in a very French way! That is, they will nuance their way into an non principled half way measure to get over this crisis in the short term. If everything else fails, then they can always go to the white flag.

Il Toscano

Posted by: il toscano at November 9, 2005 11:54 AM

Yes, Son, you are right. We don't want to lose our souls to win the war. But we have to remember that this Islam, this insidious, destructive, backwards yet incredibly clever organization has a life of it's own. It is an enemy unlike any we've ever fought. It reminds me of the Alien movies; no matter what you do, they keep coming and there is no reasoning with them.

The time for reasoning is over. I'm so tired of doing things that don't work in an effort to make myself feel like at least I'm doing something. We have the weapons. We just need to not be too afraid or too lazy to use them.

We can't fight a form of Satanism with just our wits. We need more than that. We each need to take a look at our own lives and see where we can clean them up. When you fight evil you have to fight it with a weapon it understands.

Fasting is an amazing way to gain the spiritual wisdom to fight an enemy that will only follow their own rules. Jesus said in the Gospel that some demons could only be removed by prayer and fasting. I know from personal experience just how effective this is. As the body gets slightly weaker, the mind and spirit become incredibly strong, even invincible.

Our leaders aren't listening. France's leaders aren't listening. England's recently visiting "leader" totally missed the memo. So it's up to us, guys, to step out of our comfort zones, humble ourselves before our Maker and stand up for righteousness. We owe it to ourselves,our kids and our future generations.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 10, 2005 12:04 AM