We have something CAIR and Islam can never have: An honest man.

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 8, 2005 4:17 PM

I periodically check Islamicity.com, especially the IViews section, which has op-eds and articles. The articles are inevitably anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian. The U.S. is to blame for all the world's ills. The hatred and invective that spews forth from the comments section at Islamicity.com every day is something to behold. Pretty apalling, as bad if not worse than the idiotic comments one finds here. Does CAIR condemn Islamicity.com for "raw hatred" esposued there? Does CAIR hold Islamicity.com respponsible for these hateful comments?

Posted by: kelley at November 8, 2005 4:24 PM

Keep on keeping on ! -- if the fascists at CAIR are angr with this site, it must be revealing something about Islam which they wish to conceal -- Could it be their intolerance of opinions critical of Islam ? The things they quoted didn't really appear to me to be hateful at all -- It's a violent religion -- that can be seen the world over -- every where that Islam exists there is violence, hatred, intolerance, and the most staggering bigotry and ignorance.

If the rage filled Wahhabi sect at C.A.I.R hate the truth, then that says alot about Muslims and Islam too!

Posted by: jsla at November 8, 2005 4:24 PM

Robert Spencer, your objective views on Islam are accurate to the core. Keep up the good work and don't let any Muslim or anyone else stop you from telling the truth! You are doing something that most people do not have the talent, knowledge, insight or willingness to do, so carry on shedding light on the darkness of Islam!

Posted by: DiscipleofJesusChrist at November 8, 2005 4:28 PM

I can hear the avalanche of fresh Internet traffic for Jihad Watch, generated free of charge by CAIR-LA.

Nice move, guys.

Posted by: Mad_Jack at November 8, 2005 4:32 PM

If CAIR is upset you can be sure you are doing something right.

Posted by: Roxane at November 8, 2005 4:39 PM

Mr Spencer,
We stand behind you with every breath we have!!!
I hope that the California synagouge is educated to CAIR's affiliation with Hamas and Islamic Jihad.This s@#$ is truly unbelievable.
Jews of California- Don't fall for it !even "Nice" muslims hate Jews.
even "Nice" muslims want to see Israel wiped off the map.
CAIR is a terrorist organization.
Islam IS the NAZISM of our generation.
Defend freedom of though!!!
Defeat Jihad!

Posted by: templar at November 8, 2005 4:40 PM

This is an ad hominem attack through and through. Not one argument, not one piece of evidence provided by Spencer in his books, articles, etc., has been addressed. Nothing.

CAIR demands that Spencer is alienated and silenced because he operates a Web Site that post articles and information related to worldwide jihadist activity, attacks on human rights, like freedom of speech, motivated by Islamic principles. Rather than address Spencer's arguments and the evidence CAIR appears to employ a 'slander-threat' strategy: first, slander Spencer and his work with the label of 'Islamophobe' and guilt by association with provocative, offensive comments on the site for which he is not responsible. But do things end there? What is CAIR prepared to do if Temple of the Arts and Jewish leaders to not respond in kind? Is there a tacit threat of some sort involved in this 'request' to alienate Spencer? What if members of the Temple of the Arts disagree and hold that Spencer is not promoting hate but awareness of jihadist ideology in Islamic scriptures and traditions? Will the Temple of the Arts be the next to be included in the category of 'hate-mongers'?

Ad hominem attacks, slander, and implied threats (at the very least CAIR makes clear in this press release that if Jewish leaders do not respond they are suspect and unworthy of further 'cooperation', whatever that entails.)

This is obviously an ideologically motivated attempt at censorship of criticism of Islam, an act quite at home in Islamic traditions, Islamic societies all over the globe, and now in any country where Muslims have acquired sufficient political and economic power.

The press release, of course, does not provide grounds to alienate Spencer. On the contrary, CAIR only makes it all the more obvious why we should tune in now even more carefully than we did before.

Posted by: JTF at November 8, 2005 4:41 PM

You won't be beaten by these people.

Posted by: Sneaky at November 8, 2005 4:44 PM

In the aftermath of 9/11, the fact that Muslims in America were so quick to turn their wrath upon America and slander this magnificent tolerant land was very telling to me...

I have never seen C.A.I.R. condemn the endless stream of bigotry, hatefulness, and sewage flowing like a torrent out of the Islamic world and directed against Jews, Christians, and America in particular. Ibrahim Hooper was one of the first red flags that alerted me about Islam's role in 9/11, though it wasn't yet clear to me what the link was.

Speak on C.A.I.R. With every bitter recrimination I am CERTAIN that more Americans are saying -- 'hey wait' these guys seem like the hatred spewing liars and bigots they're always accusing everyone else of being -- I wonder what's up with the 'religion' of Islam if they're always filled with such outrage and indignation...'

They're doing a great job of spreading the vile face of intolerant Islam to the masses... A BIG SHOUT OUT goes to C.A.I.R !

Thanks guys, we couldn't have done it without you!

Posted by: jsla at November 8, 2005 4:48 PM

Well, if the Muslims are going to see what I post...

HEY EVERYBODY!

I DON'T BEAT WOMEN!
I DRINK ALCOHOL!
PORK IS GOOD!
SEWN UP P***IES DOES NOT APPEAL TO ME!
I LOVE EARNING INTEREST IN MY BANK ACCOUNT!
I DON'T PRAY 5 TIMES A DAY!
I LIVE IN A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY AND COME FROM A CHRISTIAN FAMILY BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS!
I BELIEVE THAT WOMEN ARE NOT PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE THAT IT IS WRONG TO KILL HOMOSEXUALS.

:)

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 8, 2005 4:56 PM

NETANYA. BALI. THE COLE. LONDON SUBWAY. SPANISH TRAIN. 9/11. OSAMSA. ARAFAT. HAMAS. ISLAMIC JIHAD.THE AYATOLLAH. SADDAM.IDI AMIN. NASSER.THE PALESTINIANS CHEERING ON 9/11. AIRLINE HIJACKINGS. THE SHOE BOMBER. THE THREAT OF A DIRTY BOMB.REJECTION OF PEACE WITH ISRAEL. THE AsSASSINATION OF BOBBY KENNEDY.HEZBOLLAH. AMERICAN HOSTAGES IN IRAN.THE ASSASINATION OF SADAT. FEMALE CLITORAL MUTILATION. POLYGAMY.MYSOGYNY. WIFE BEATING. REJECTION OF RATIONAL THOUGHT.JIZYA.DHIMMI.SAMI AL ARYAN. THE BLIND SHEIK. THE Y2K BOMBINGS. SHARIA.BEHEADINGS. DANIEL PEARL. NICK BERG.THEODORE VAN GOGH.THE ASSASINS.ATTEMPT OF POPE JOHN PAUL'S LIFE.

You f@#$ing animals.
Anyone who doesn't it has their head in the sand.
Anyone who doesen't get it isn't paying attention.
Some things are worth fighting for.
the NAZIS were worth fighting.
the fascists were worth fighting.
and, ISLAM IS WORTH FIGHTING
DEFEND THE WEST!
DEFEAT JIHAD!

Posted by: templar at November 8, 2005 4:57 PM

"Does CAIR condemn Islamicity.com for "raw hatred" esposued there? Does CAIR hold Islamicity.com respponsible for these hateful comments?" - kelley

"I have never seen C.A.I.R. condemn the endless stream of bigotry, hatefulness, and sewage flowing like a torrent out of the Islamic world and directed against Jews, Christians, and America in particular. "-- jsla

jsla, kelley,

even if you point out such Islamic bigotry & hate speech from muslim websites, you know what they will say right ?.....the usual ' you are looking at the wrong section of muslims, they are a minority, they dont represent real islam, real islam is peaceful, they are distorting the message of islam,' if that also doesnt work, they will start with the 'grievances' like how they are justifying riots in france with 'assimilation problems' 'french police brutality' 'youth=scum remark of politician' etc etc. muslims/islam is never at fault.

Posted by: lazysusan at November 8, 2005 4:58 PM

To whoever, on this site, whose quotes were used in the article I have this to say. Good job and I am a bit jelous none of my quotes made it.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at November 8, 2005 4:59 PM

With the way Robert sheds the truth about this Islamic organization, I think we should nickname Robert the "CAIR Bare".

Posted by: Shy Guy at November 8, 2005 5:00 PM

(Note: Comments on articles are unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Jihad Watch or Robert Spencer. Comments that are off-topic, offensive, slanderous, or otherwise annoying may be summarily deleted. However, the fact that particular comments remain on the site IN NO WAY constitutes an endorsement by Robert Spencer of the views expressed therein.)

The opinions I espouse are mine alone, I formed my opinions watching the events of the world unfold. islam can deny that it is the main cause of just about all terrorism in the world today, but I can see for myself who is responsible.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 8, 2005 5:03 PM

LOL! You seem to have struck a nerve at CAIR. Good work JW/DW!

Posted by: DenMan at November 8, 2005 5:05 PM

I don't think that the temple needs to take CAIR up on it's offer. Something tells me Jews have a rather accurate perspective on Islam already. As for the press releases, they remind me of the worst kind of ambulance-chaser or mob lawyer.

In all seriousness, who is CAIR's legal staff, how big is it? I can imagine how much prep-work goes into these attacks. Have they reached the point where they can have legal proceedings started against THEM? Dhimmitude emboldens them, stumbling and stuttering PC apologists validate their attacks, silence encourages them to push a little harder the next time. At what point do free infidels say "Enough!" and litigate back. At what point do the double standards become an offensive affront to any liberty-loving individual? What is needed for a cease-and-desist order?

Posted by: t-ham at November 8, 2005 5:05 PM

I do object to animals being slandered though...

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 8, 2005 5:08 PM

If you ever feel persecuted for what you say in truth, then ask for allegiance from individuals like myself. I have read the Quran and it is militant in nature. In Muslim society, it is not allowed that you question Islam. Much to my dismay, you can not even speak of it, nor question it as this is detrimentle to Islam. What voice does a religion have that oft inters.

Posted by: todd at November 8, 2005 5:09 PM

Otterfisher ~

Very nice.

Sincerely,

Mad Jack

Posted by: Mad_Jack at November 8, 2005 5:10 PM

"We would be glad to suggest the names of credible Muslim scholars who can offer Temple Shalom's congregation a perspective on Islam that is not tainted by hatred and bigotry," said CAIR-LA Executive Director Hussam Ayloush."

Khomeini's speech on the day of celebration of the birth of Muhammad: 1981

"The real Day of God is the day that Amir al mo’menin  drew his sword and slaughtered all the khavarej and killed them from the first to the last.  
 
The Days of God are when Allah, the gracious, the almighty, causes an earthquake. It is when He slaps on the face. It is when he causes a hurricane. He whips this people to become humans. 
 
If the Amir al mo’menin  wanted to be tolerant, he would not have drawn his sword killing 700 people in one go in our prisons we have more of the same kind of people who are corrupt. If we do not kill them, each one of them that gets out, will become a murderer!
 
They don’t become humans. Why do you Mullahs only go after the ordinances of prayer and fasting?

Why do you only read the Quranic verses of mercy and do not read the verses of killing? 

Quran says; kill, imprison! Why are you only clinging to the part that talks about mercy?  Mercy is against God.  

Mehrab means the place of war, the place of fighting. Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed, just as all the wars of Islam used to proceeded out of the mehrabs. 

The prophet has [had] sword to kill people..Our [Holy] Imams were quite military men. All of them were warriors. They used to wield swords; they used to kill people.  We need a Khalifa who would chop hands, cut throat, stone people in the same way that the messenger of God used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people. In the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani Qurayza because they were a bunch of discontent people.   
If the Prophet used to order to burn a house or exterminate a tribe that was justice. The lives of people must be secured through punishment. Because, the protection of the masses lies beneath these very punitive executions.  

With just a few years of imprisonment things don’t get fixed. You must put aside these childish sentimentalism.  We believe that the accused essentially does not have to be tried....he or she  must just be killed. 

Only their identity is to be established and then they should be killed."

I THINK IT IS VERY CLEAR SINCE THE ABOVE SPEECH CAME FROM A VERY CREDIBLE MUSLIM SCHOLAR......KHOMEINI......himself!

Posted by: rumoret at November 8, 2005 5:16 PM

I look forward to the day when the law catches up with the fascists in CAIR. They aren't as clever as they think they are and I hope Homeland Security pounces on them the minute they slip up.

In the meantime Robert, wear their criticism of you like a badge of honor. It's almost as good as a Congressional Medal of Honor in my books. And counter their offer of free Korans with your PIG to Islam book.

Posted by: William The Crusader at November 8, 2005 5:20 PM

CAIR can go straight to hell.

Posted by: delia7 at November 8, 2005 5:20 PM

I resent that CAIR implies that we called muslims " animals and Nazis"
animals no
Nazis absolutely.

Posted by: templar at November 8, 2005 5:23 PM

you have my full support, nothing you have said is neither deragatory nor hatefull. Criticism is not allowed in Islam. Lest you want decapitaition or second class citizenship, aka, buddist reference. It is funny, no social structure relagates individual ideas, yet they wonder why they are at the bottom rung. Feed me full of oil and I will show you how ideas are squashed. Let alone scientific activity. Capital in nature, yet we are on the forefront of technology. Repressive in nature, spoiled from birth, not much to gather from mind meetings.

Posted by: todd at November 8, 2005 5:27 PM

Perhaps CAIR is unhappy with the true Islamic Scholars of our day. They much prefer the John Espositos and Karen Armstrong to give the confused infidels an enlightened opinion.

Let's go back in time and listen to the Islamic scholars of old. Andre Servier was a French scholar of Islam. He wrote a book Islam and the Mind of the Musulman, published in 1922 in French, translated to English in 1923. His target audience was the bureaucratic elite of France. You know, the France on fire.

Now, it is online in its entirety for you to read and its coming in French soon.

MusulmanBook

Why don't you google my name, or the name of a leader of long past, and long forgotten.

Jan Sobieski

Posted by: John Sobieski at November 8, 2005 5:29 PM

If I were teaching a course in argumentation I could use that press release as a final exam essay question:

"Identify and briefly describe each formal and material fallacy committed in this press release. Focus on identifying different types of fallacies (rather than on listing multiple occurrences of the same fallacy type). For extra credit, list the types and scope of evidence the authors would need to make their case validly (i.e., without relying primarily on material and formal fallacies)."

-- Pilgrim

Posted by: Pilgrim at November 8, 2005 5:36 PM

Look, folks, I'm sure most of us have at some time or another seen a post here that we felt uncomfortable with. The majority of them are just reasonable criticisms and frustration being vented by people everywhere who (rather than being "isolated" because their practice of Islam) feel isolated because they know the truth about Islam. It IS frustrating to run into the same ignorance time and time again.

It is useful for me, as a Christian, to have a Church that I can go to where I don't have to defend my views on Christianity the way that I so often do in my day to day life. In the same way JW/DW is useful because gives us somewhere to go where we can see that we are not alone in being vilified as "Islamophobes" because we care more about the truth and the people we would bring it to than the image we could cultivate by not doing so.

Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Jihad Watch - these are not the enemy. IGNORANCE IS THE ENEMY - ONCE THE IGNORANCE SURROUNDING ISLAM IS DEFEATED THE WAR IS ALL BUT ALREADY WON.

One side of this debate is following the pursuit of truth the other is practising deception.

. . . and I don't think I have to tell you folks which is which.

Posted by: Razorskarr at November 8, 2005 5:43 PM

CAIR Bare!

Too freakin funny!

What was that line about ideologues not wanting free speech because they suspected it was the truth? Also the line about there being no wrong time for the truth?

kelley;

Islamicity was one of the first places I investigated when I started to realize there was a new "ism" out there trying to turn the world into a sh!thole, having missed being a victim of 9/11 because of a late delivery. Actually before I ever found DW/JW. Vile, vile place. Used to feel like I needed a shower after taking the troll tour. Actually engaged a few in "discussion", got the usual routine and my first experience of statements so bizarrely unrelated to what I had said.

It is critically important, a matter of life and death, that the truth be given a forum. The truth must be encouraged to live, grow, spread. It must be spread to infect new minds, to rampage through towns and cities, a reverse epidemic of reality, causing not sickness but health, that rolls across the land, a strain resistant to the fascist vaccines, unaffected by antibodies of self-loathing and guilt artificially introduced in response to fictitious antigens.

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers(and sisters)
For he today who sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother, be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England(and all the West) now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here
And hold their manhoods cheap whilest any speaks
That fought with us upon St. Crispins Day."

W.S. 1599

Posted by: t-ham at November 8, 2005 5:48 PM

Notice that the first two goals of CAIR are clearly false, the third a buzzword for pushy.

encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims

Posted by: Beagle at November 8, 2005 5:53 PM

How come I am American, yet I can not get into harvard, yet all immigrants of middle eastern decent get bonafided clearance? Best schooling to offer, and we give it to people that hate us.

Posted by: todd at November 8, 2005 5:56 PM

CAIR does believe in its motto:

"encourage dialogue"---we talk, you listen

"protect civil liberties"---we have the right to say and do whatever we want, but you cannot do anything that may offend us.

"empower American Moslems"---we are the Master Religion, understand dhimmi?

Posted by: smitty at November 8, 2005 6:00 PM

fundamental structure of educating non americans has faultered, start with educating our own, I can not get a scholarship, but a minority can, what the f

Posted by: todd at November 8, 2005 6:01 PM

Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR is such a liar. He was on MSNBC debating Dennis Prager about a year ago. The next day he is a guest on the Michael Medved show. Several callers tried to get Hooper to own up to his lies on the MSNBC show - Hooper then claims he never met and has never spoken to Prager.

This is how they operate - Infidels don't deserve the truth. Isn't it interesting that the biggest liars are found in leftist organizations?

Posted by: rafael699 at November 8, 2005 6:03 PM

How come we educate all that hate us, yet hang our own sons out to dry?

Posted by: todd at November 8, 2005 6:06 PM

we should be teaching our own sons instead of sending them to war, while we teach their opposition how to conduct business

Posted by: todd at November 8, 2005 6:10 PM

how many dead in Irag, how many enrolled in our collegges, lest the toll rain down on you send our sons to war, give the opposition scholarships

Posted by: todd at November 8, 2005 6:16 PM

educate them, while we send our sons to war,

Posted by: todd at November 8, 2005 6:19 PM

this needs to change

Posted by: todd at November 8, 2005 6:25 PM

Dear Robert:

I know that you won't pay any attention to CAIR's blather but you should know that this regular JW/DW reader supports you in your efforts 100 percent.

This article by CAIR represents the classic Muslim way of arguing - if you can't dispute the message, then attack the messenger. I am constantly amazed how Islamists think that by simply making ad hominem attacks on people that they will convince anyone of the accuracy of their views. If anything, for thoughtful people, ad hominem attacks indicate that your arguments are so weak that the only way you can get at the person is to attack them personally. And, of course, you can see where this leads - if your insults don't work, then the next step is physical intimidation, threats of violence and the like. But, as all Jihad Watchers know, this type of behaviour is straight from the example of Mohammad who also, when he could not answer the arguments of his opponents, condoned their assassination.

Keep up the good work Robert. If CAIR is mad at you then your efforts to educate people about Islam must be making enough headway that CAIR has begun to find you alarming. I notice that CAIR's preferred modus operandi is at first to ignore people who criticize Islam in the hope that they will come to nothing. They only start attacking when they feel that the person is having some effect. So, guess what Robert, you are having some effect!

So, CAIR, if you are reading this, please feel free to move to Saudi Arabia, Algeria, etc. as soon as possible. If you don't like living in the West, please, move to "paradise" as soon as possible.

Posted by: Mentat at November 8, 2005 6:29 PM

"We would be glad to suggest the names of credible Muslim scholars who can offer Temple Shalom's congregation a perspective on Islam that is not tainted by hatred and bigotry," said CAIR-LA Executive Director Hussam Ayloush.

Islam isn't tainted by anyone else than it's own deeds. If it can be 'tainted' by anything, then it is a weak brainwashing system indeed.

Ayloush also offered to give every member of Temple Shalom a complimentary copy of the Quran, Islam's revealed text, so they may learn more about what Muslims really believe.

Muslims need to learn what the rest of the country believes, not the other way-round.

The CAIR message sounds pretty "hateful."

CAIR doesn't get it that in AMERICA one can "hate" Islam as much as they please.

They would love to psychologically manipulate people into thinking this is the same as hating Muslims.

PSYCHO-logical manipulation that includes using abstract to describes details and the use of exaggerations.

Robert says it best:

This CAIR press release is yet another example of that organization's attempt to stifle free speech about Islam and terrorism in the United States,

Robert, go after them for defamation if you can.

Let's support Robert financially if need be.

Posted by: Report at November 8, 2005 6:30 PM

CAIR is only doing their job, and that is to practice low-intensity Jihad war, on an informational level, by peddling taquiyya-filled obfuscation.

PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH

Winning individual skirmishes with CAIR will do nothing.

Islam has extremely bad facts. But somehow that story has not and perhaps can not be put out there in front of the general infidel public.

At a recent lunch with a highly educated and fairly influential fellow, he became visibly angry when I told him the Koran called for the murder of Jews and Christians. I told him these were plain facts and he shut down. The truth was unacceptable, prima facie.

Nowhere have I heard anybody articulate a coherent public argument based on the plain facts of Islam to take it on for what it is.

To date, all arguments against Islam have been apologetic, self-censored, needlessly academic in presentation, and therefore very easily discredited. Only Moslems may criticize other religions.

Job one is to win the war of underlying concepts and lexicon. Until these fundamental tasks are accomplished, recounting Islam's sordid history is perfectly useless.

PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH PBUH

So long as the concepts of "moderate moslems" and "Islamic fundamentalists" have currency, world freedom will continue its inexorable slide towards extinction.

Posted by: Chaz MarteL 732 at November 8, 2005 6:35 PM

CAIR on Hugh:

"He went on to recommend that western nations be "Islam-proofed the way a house is child-proofed," compared Muslims to Nazis and urged that they be boycotted..."

Dang! I knew there was a reason I like Hugh so much. Remind me to send him a birthday gift.
:D

Good going, Mr. Spencer. We're all proud of you.

Posted by: libbysmom at November 8, 2005 6:35 PM

CAIR-bear... love it Shy Guy. Can I use that?

Posted by: wannabersc at November 8, 2005 6:46 PM

Robert, Islam cannot stand to have the truth told about them or their false prophet. This is an attempt by CAIR to muzzle you and limit the free speech of every contributor to this board. God bless you for standing up to these heathen Mohammedans and not being cowed into submission.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at November 8, 2005 6:54 PM

One day CAIR will be exposed as the lying sack of cr@p it is, largely thanks to Mr. Spencer.

Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 8, 2005 7:10 PM

If the Temple of the Arts wishes to invite one of these nazi animals for an opposing point of view, I suggest they frisk the bastard before letting him in, and don't let him handle any religious books.

Posted by: Infidel33 at November 8, 2005 7:11 PM

Todd -- maybe your heart is in the right place, maybe it isn't -- I can't quite tell... But if you could learn to form complete sentences, it would be a tremendous step in the right direction, and possibly even open up the possibility that you could eventually get a scholarship!

Posted by: jsla at November 8, 2005 7:20 PM

Author: Sebastian Vilar Rodrigues

I was walking peacefully on a street in Barcelona and sudenly i had a shaking wakening vision:EUROPE died in Auschwitz.
We killed 6 milion Jews and exchanged them with 20 milion Mulims.In Auschwitz we burned,culture,usefull thinking,talent,creativity.We exterminated a choosen nation,really choosen because that nation cultivated reall big things,that changed the world for good.The contribution of that nation is in every aspect of life,science,trade,and specialy they was the conscience of the world.Those were the people we burned in Auschwitz.And under the false coverage of humanism,because we wanted to prove to ourself and the world that we have been healed and recovered from that illness (mentaly)we opened our gates(Europe)to 20 milion muslims who entered claiming they want a better life.They bringed lazines,extremism,non tolerance to our and other religions,crime,powerty that comes from unwilingness to work,to integrate,and provide their families in pride and honor as we do.They turned our beautifull cities in Spain to a 3d world cities,ghetos drowning in dirth and crime.Locked in their apartments,compliment of the hosting country,they hide and plot murder and destruction of the innocent ppl of the hosting country.Thats how we in our everlasting shame we made a bad bargain,exchanging culture with fanatic heatred,inteligence withretardness and evil power.We exchanged a peacefull population of the European Jews and their contribution to a better future for their children,their will to life with all their migth because life is sacred,with those wo have a death wish,those wo seek death as a major achivment a goal they have to reach for themself andothers,to our children and theirs too.
What a dreadfull mistake you made poor miserable EUROPE???

PS My translation migth be poor so you will have to excuse me!!Thank you

Posted by: Thomas at November 8, 2005 7:23 PM

CAIR? A muslim will never admit that he is wrong,thats why they are so powerfull.Always crying discrimination all over the world,how poor they are and helpless.1.3 bilion muslim with all the reaches in the world(oil)but only a few who really enjoy it,stealing from the poor,letting them live and die poor,iliterate,and stupid.Always in the name of the Quran,learning to destroy what others have build in hard work.Robert i salute you for your site.GBY

Posted by: Thomas at November 8, 2005 7:32 PM

Congradulations Robert, you have CAIR and Islam on the run. Besides the energy they waste harassing you can't be used for terrorist actions. I look for the day that CAIR will be branded as an Islamic terrorist organization, their leaders arrested, tried and convicted, and the organization closed.

Posted by: czekmark` at November 8, 2005 7:33 PM

Spencer and company MUST be doing something right. Why else would the islamists ... cair?

Posted by: witness at November 8, 2005 7:33 PM

With any luck, CAIR will publicize many, many more of Hugh's excellent pieces and this web site will reach many others who find themselves starved for a bit of sanity in the media.

Posted by: NonProphet16 at November 8, 2005 7:34 PM

From CAIR’s press release:

“Other anti-Muslim comments on the Jihad Watch website include:
"Islam strips its followers of all aspects of their identity and in short converts them into killer-Zombies."
* "Islam, the preferred religion of criminals."
* "If Mohammad were alive today and spouting his 'new' message from God in today's media he would be identified and branded as the lunatic that he was and be jailed or hospitalized."

From Rumoret’s post at 5:16:

“Khomeini's speech on the day of celebration of the birth of Muhammad: 1981…

The prophet has [had] sword to kill people..Our [Holy] Imams were quite military men. All of them were warriors. They used to wield swords; they used to kill people. We need a Khalifa who would chop hands, cut throat, stone people in the same way that the messenger of God used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people. In the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani Qurayza because they were a bunch of discontent people. If the Prophet used to order to burn a house or exterminate a tribe that was justice.”

Khomeini’s statement is utterly extraordinary! He told the truth about Islam. The presumably egregious “anti-Muslim” JW comments that CAIR objects to are simply acknowledging PRECISELY the truth that Khomeini spoke about, when he described the actions of Islam’s violent founder and prophet! Was Khomeini “anti-Muslim”?

CASE EFFING CLOSED!!

Posted by: Caroline at November 8, 2005 7:36 PM

Islam has far more bad PR to worry about.

Muslims are up in arms about cartoons of Mohammed, and Robert Spencer's truth-telling, but can't be bothered to try to cut down on their body count.

Posted by: Beagle at November 8, 2005 7:48 PM

Robert and Hugh,

You're taking some flack for being honest. The only way CAIR can get away with this mock-scolding is that the general public is still uneducated about what the Islamic doctrines say. Can you sue CAIR for slander? Islamophobia has to be an unreasonable disproportionate fear of Islam, and I don't believe that CAIR has established that either Robert or Hugh has been unreasonable or disproportionate in their concern.

Why didn't CAIR quote the Koran to show that they are not infidelophobes? Oh yeah, because it says...

disbelievers (infidels): are “worst of created beings” (98:6—refers specifically to disbelievers among Christians, Jews, and idolators), are “miscreants” (2:99, 24:55), are the worst beasts in Allah’s sight (8:55), are “a folk without intelligence”/ “most ignorant” (8:65, 6:111), “evil” is upon them (16:27), evil (2:91, 2:99), liars/they lie (2:10, 9:42, 16:39, 16:105, 59:11), the “wrong-doers” (2:254, 5:45), on the side of the devil (Satan) and are fighting for him (4:76-77); “enemy” and “perverted” (63:4); “wicked” (80:42, 9:125); hypocrites, i.e., those who only pretend to be religious (4:61); losers who are deceived by Allah (2:6), and deceived by Satan (4:60); have a “diseased heart” (2:10, 9:125); are ill (84:20); are “guilty” for disbelieving (45:31, 83:29); deaf, dumb, and blind, and have no sense (2:171); have no sense (5:103); their fathers were unintelligent and had no knowledge or guidance (2:170, 5:104); Allah assigns them devils for protecting friends (7:27); they choose devils for protecting friends (7:30); disgraced lives (22:9); “losers” (7:179); foolish and liars (7:66), liars and losers (58:18-19), false pride and schism (38:2); are partisan against Allah (25:55).

It seems to me CAIR has two options.
1. Accept the validity of the Koran and admit that they are infidelophobes.
2. Deny the validity of the Koran and say nice things about disbelievers, thereby losing the "infidelophobe" label, becoming apostates of Islam in the process.

The hate crime that wasn't.

CAIR's dishonesty continues. They're still running that bogus hate-crime story about the Sikh teen (the story is dated June 1st). The youth fabricated the story about being attacked. (Note: To use the link below. The CAIR page will come up, scroll down and click on "Go to the site". Then on the site page scroll down to "CIVIL RIGHTS" and "CAIR-CAN: CANADIAN MUSLIMS...")
http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1601&theType=NR

Posted by: Archimedes at November 8, 2005 7:50 PM

Mr. Spencer,

There isn't an iota of hate in anything you have spoken or written.

CAIR, on the other hand, is a deceptive, Wahhabist, propaganda organization that has had some of its' members have been indicted and jailed for terrorism.

Let's see, who is the greater danger? Robert Spencer, the truth teller, or CAIR, the taqiyya masters?

Alas, the truth is dangerous for thinkers like those in CAIR.

America, and indeed the world, are slowly waking up to the reality of the world situation.

Keep talking CAIR...

Posted by: jawa at November 8, 2005 7:55 PM

I know this does not belong here, but I wanted to share this (quite funny) link :)

http://www.institut-integration.be/

Posted by: NSberserk at November 8, 2005 8:12 PM

In few years, hopefully few months, it will be an honor to be "whatever" they call. That's when their book is criminalized like dopes.

Posted by: enoughisenough at November 8, 2005 8:23 PM

Keep up the fantastic work. I make this site a daily read and frequently seek out additional reference/source material as suggested.

Today I began reading my copy of Dr. Bostom's book, "The Legacy of Jihad". In Dr. Bostom's acknowledgment statement he thanks his family as he writes:

"May Esther and Yonah and their children thrive in world where the devasting institution of jihad has been acknowledged, renounced, dismantled, and relegated forever to the dustbin of history by Muslims themsleves."

May ALL the worlds children thrive in a jihad-free reality.

I got a really good chuckle out of CAIR's comments. The best part of course is (as mentioned above by (NonProphet16 and Mad_Jack) . . . free advertising via CAIR. . . poetic justice!

Posted by: miira at November 8, 2005 8:26 PM

Hey! All Muslims out there who are visiting this site thanks to CAIR'S free publicity!

PLEASE DO be sure to stop by Ali Sina's wonderful and internationally acclaimed site, faithfreedom.org.

Take his challenge! He is offering $50,000 dollars to anyone who can disprove his claims about Muhammad:

Challenge to Muslims! $50,000 prize!

Be sure to check out his debates and articles while visiting. You won't regret it! And thank YOU CAIR for providing the the free publicity for both Jihadwatch and faithfreedom.org. Very much appreciated! Muchos gracias!

Posted by: Caroline at November 8, 2005 8:29 PM

I know a lot of you do not support Le Pen, but the patriotism of this ad is inspiring. Maybe we can just enjoy the hope that France will wake up and resist the Paristinians. (I don't know anything about Le Pen, and am American...so I am not endorsing him, just the rousing music!)
http://www.frontnational.com/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 8, 2005 8:39 PM

DAMN! Free speech IS bad for Islam!

Hey CAIR, please show me one Islamic country that has equal rights for it's women?

Uhh..hello?

NO BURKAS FOR ME, THANK YOU!!!

Posted by: shakespears_sister at November 8, 2005 8:42 PM

(A free copy of the Quran may be ordered or sponsored at: www.ExplodeTheEarth.org )

COOL ! ! !

/scratchin' Charmin off the shoppin' list

- - -

- - - -

CAIR is the Enemy, to the core

deport them all, yesterday

Posted by: Crunchy Jello at November 8, 2005 8:47 PM

I may sound like a broken record, if anyone listens to me anyway.

But this is important so I'm going to keep repeating it.

What CAIR does is file SLAPP (Google it) litigation against critics, to silence any free speech they don't agree with, and to limit public participation in democratic debate. Whether the issue is zoning, criticism, hiring, prayer accomodations, cartoons, or literature, the Islamic legal playbook has only one play.

SLAPP suits should be named as such in any responsive pleading. Show the history of similar SLAPP suits by CAIR (and similar groups), particularly their suit against anti-CAIR (cut down to one count, from several, which CAIR will lose if it goes to trial anyway).

Islamic harrassment litigation is becoming serious abuse of the legal process.

Posted by: Beagle at November 8, 2005 8:56 PM

Oh - and for all Muslims stopping by, when you check out Ali Sina's well-known website faithfreedom.org, be sure to check out his FAQ's. Read every single one of them (70 in all):

Frequently Asked Questions, Objections and Comments

Again - CAIR - Merci Beaucoups!

Posted by: Caroline at November 8, 2005 8:59 PM

Well Robert, your comments section is a lively part of this web-site and has spawned its own growing community.

The down side is you will continue to be held accountable for words that are not your own, unfair as that may be.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 8, 2005 9:15 PM

Someone on another site stated that fundamentalist christianity was a greater contemporary threat to global civilization than Islamofascism, quoting the 'mote and beam' scripture as a means to chastize me for what he mistakenly saw as an ideologically based oversight on my part (this view is common among many Americans who have - in most cases quite reasonably - rebelled against their fundamentalist upbringing, but who have no comparable personal experiences of Islamofascist intolerance and repression).

I answered him thusly:

I take issue with the 'mote and beam' characterization of my position because I view the contemporary Islamofascist memeset as currently more dangerous than the Fundamentalist Christian one, for a number of reasons.

1) Recent History
The lion's share of mass-killing terrorist attacks in the past quarter-century have been perpetrated by these people, and not Fundy Christians (although they, too, are on my "Danger, Will Robinson!" list). 9/11, London, Beslan, Bali, Madrid, the USS Cole, the Khobar Towers...the list could go on and on.

2) Fundamentalist Literalism
Christians believe that the Bible was written by human beings, under Holy inspiration, while the official position of Islam is that the Qu'ran (literally, the Recitation) was dictated to Muhammed by the Archangel Gabriel, and is word-for-word accurate and correct for all time. Thus, while there is a reasonable split between Fundamentalist Christians, who take the Bible literally, and the rest of Christians, who see parable, poetry metaphor, simile, era-linked prejudices, contradictions and inaccuracies in the Bible, no such split is officially possible within Islam. All Muslims are expected to submit to the literalist stance; in fact, Islam translates as Submission.

3) More Violent Character
While there are a half-dozen or so peace-and-tolerance passages contained within the Qu'ran, there are also more than a hundred vicious and violent passages to be found there. People say, well, the Old Testament is itself to a significant degree a 'testament' to divinely sanctioned brutality, and this is indeed true. However, most of that brutality was superseded by the more peaceful and tolerant New Testament, while the Qu'ran is divided into the Meccan and the Medinan sections. The Meccan section, which came first, when Muhammed was militarily weak and was forced to placate his enemies, contains all of the peace-and-tolerance passages, while the Medinan section, which contains many (although not all) of the brutal and violent passages, was written later, and supercedes the more moderate Meccan section. It is as if, in the Bible, the Old Testament came later and superceded the New; if this were so, Christianity would be (even) much more brutal and intolerant than it is now.

4) The Examples of the Respective Primary Protagonists
Jesus only got violent once in the Bible, when he whipped the money-changers. Mainly, he preached faith, love of one's neighbors, and nonviolence. When one of his disciples raised a sword against and cut the ear off of one of the people sent to arrest him, he supposedly put it back on. Muhammed, on the other hand, was historically a warrior and guerilla fighter. His life was circumscribed by military conquest. The hadiths, which are records of occurrences in and commentaries on the life of Muhammed, are nearly as important as the Qu'ran itself to them.

5) The Confrontation with Modernity
Christianity began to behaviorally moderate and domesticate itself around 500 years ago, due to the effects that the Reformation and the Enlightenment had upon it. Islam has yet to go through this confrontation; it is only now just beginning for them. However, in the present era, with the advent of global anonymous communications and travel, and with easy access available to both the materials needed to construct WMD's and the knowledge needed to properly employ these materials, this is a particularly dangerous time for fanatics to lash out from the growing pains. Giordano Bruno conceived of relativity 350 years before Einstein and was burned as a heretic for it, and rockets (fireworks) were already known to Europe by then, due to Marco Polo's sojourn in China; think of what it would have been like if the medieval world had had the option of ballistic thermonuclear conflagration (not to mention genetically engineered plagues and mass-produceable deadly chemical compounds). There is the added factor that one of the Muslim death-penalty heresies translates as 'innovation' (Islamists are quite willing to appropriate death-dealing technology while rejecting the science behind it - a Pakistani 'scientist' actually wrote a paper that advocated solving his country's energy problems by harnessing djinn (genie) power!); thus it can be dangerous for Muslims to publicly embrace novel concepts - and this will only make it more difficult for Muslim adaptation of include accommodation to other perspectives rather than to simply be comprised solely of the Borgian assimilation, subjugation or elimination of all of their vectors.

6) The Evolution of Universality and Intolerance in Totalizing Memeplexes
Mind viruses are unlike the viruses that plague our bodies. If a physically infectious disease kills its host too quickly, that host cannot serve as an infection vector (which is why AIDS is so much more of a global threat than the Ebola virus - the long, symptom-free yet contagious incubation period). This is also why deadly diseases demonstrate the historical propensity to become slower killers as time goes on. However, a different survival strategy presents itself for totalizing mind-viruses, which MUST be cognitively rather than physically communicated, and thus, if they are elaborate and/or involve significant behavioral changes, difficult to contract under the radar of one's attention: to kill and/or enslave all those who RECOGNIZE the attempted dissemination (proselytizing) and REFUSE to be infected (part of these memetic memesets is invariably the inculcation of the desire and/or duty to infect others - this is how they propagate). This eliminates competition for cognitive residence from alternative memeplexes (the dead cannot communicate their competing vectors). Unlike physical diseases, where people may be infected with multiple differing phages simultaneously (like measles AND the flu), a totalizing memeplex must have SOLE possession of its niche, or it cannot be said to possess it at all. And in fact, to reject concersion to Islam is considered by Islamofascists to be an insult and attack upon it, punishable by death.

Now, remembering that the historical function of tribal religion has been to enhance group cooperation and cohesion, thus giving religious tribes an advantage in warfare against tribes with less mutual committment and more individualism (and most likely the prehistorical function, too - thus setting up a group selection which would tend to reproductively favor those who were increasingly susceptible to infection by religious memeplexes), let's take a quick look at the evolution of universality and intolerance in Patriarchal Monotheism.

The memeplex of Judaism originally involved a divine gift of a particular parcel of land to a particular chosen people - Israel for the Jews (although, lately, converts to Judaism, although not sought, are accepted from evey racial and ethnic classification). Thus the parameters for the growth of the Jewish memeplex were set by the nature of the memeplex itself - only within ethinc jews, who were only promised dominion over historical Israel (most Zionists still think this way).

However, with the evolution of Christianity from Judaism, the ethnic imperative and the geographical rootedness were pruned off, and all one had to do was to accept the memeplex. This allowe Christianity to spread to all sorts of ethnicities, and for them to take control of previously non-Christian lands, as their demographics grew to majority within them. It also had the advantage of spreading the genetic sacrifice idea beyond a tribe, so that multiple tribes sharing the same memeplex could band together and both protect each other and cooperate in the confrontation of common enemies (a feature that the Roman Empire put to conscous use when they adopted Christianity as the state religion of the Roman Empire). However, Christianity was written so it could be disseminated via persuasion - the Great Charter, which comprises the Christian memeplex's infection module, reads "Go ye therefore and TEACH all nations". Of course, the construction of this module implies the conviction that the vector is offering a gift of knowledge to the ignorant, and for this reason many have been historically forced to adopt Christianity 'for their own good', even when they were too (willfully or otherwise) ignorant to recognize what their own good was, and sometimes at the cost of their mortal bodies, if in the process their immortal souls were saved.

Still the language of Christianity's proselytization module is persuasional rather than coercive, and this left room for the development of tolerance for other faiths, even while missionaries continue to be perpetually funded to 'spread the Good Word'.

This is a weakness that the evolution into Islam has exploited. The Muslim memeplex explicitly substitutes coercion for persuasion. It is quite precise in what may and may not be done: all 'People of the Book' - that is, Jews and Christians (and I suppose Zoroastrians - they have a single holy book called the Zend Avestra of Zarathustra)- have the option to a) convert to Islam, b) be put to death, or c) live in Dhimmitude, a serfic, subservient state somewhere between slavery and second-class citizenship, characterized by less civil rights, the fact that any Muslim's word will always be legally favored over theirs in courts of Shari'a law, and the payment of a perpetual monetary tribute known as the jizya. For all the rest - Buddhist, Taoists, Hindus, Pagans and Atheists - the options are only two: convert or die.

Islam officially divides the globe into two camps; Dar-el-Islam (the World of Islam) and Dar-el-Harb (the World of War). This stance entails the conviction that the only means by which final global peace may be attained is the total elimination of the Dar el Harb, and the establishment of a Global Muslim Caliphate ruled by Shari'a law. Those who choose to embark upon Jihad (actually, it is described in the Qu'ran as a duty rather than as a choice just like Christian witnessing is in the Bible) and are killed (martyred) while engaging in it, are Qu'ranically assured of a Paradise in which they may perpetually and guiltlessly enjoy practically all of the pleasures that are religiously forbidden to living Muslims; those who live are Qu'ranically permitted to take possession of the spoils of war, be they the property or the women of the conquered and/or slain infidels. This stance is, of course, patently hegemonistic and militantly imperialistic, and becomes even more appealing to poor male Muslim youth, when they see their chances of having their own (appealing) wife as negligible (since the more wealthy Muslims are religiously free to marry as many as four of them each - as long as they can financially support them all). When one takes a look at the historical spread of Islam, primarily by coercion and conflict, from its inception in the Arabian Peninsula some 1300 years ago to its reach from Spain to the Philippines today, and one discovers that, of the forty-five military conflicts extant in the world today, Muslims are fighting on one or both sides of them all, it would appear that this particular module possesses great expansionistic efficacy.

Supporting this memetic module are some others, such as the doctrine that all humans are naturally born as Muslims, and that those who profess other beliefs have fallen into apostasy (and thus must be rescued from their error or suffer the dire consequences), and the dictum that people are free to convert TO Islam - in fact, as we have seen, the 'inducements' are quite formidable - but that to convert FROM Islam to anything else (or, in the case of atheists and agnostics, to nothing) is a religious crime for which the punishment of death is prescribed. It is also better for one's assimilational purposes if one's infidel target is kept in the dark. Thus, Muslims are religiously free to both deceive infidels as to their intentions regarding them (taqiyya) and to misdirect their attention from those intentions(kitman), in the interests of the greater good - that is, in the interests of the expansion of the Ummah (the fellowship of the true believers).

Now, I'm not saying that all Muslims, or even a majority of them, are inexorably drawn from live-and-let-live tolerance to Mujaheddin Jihadism in the service of the annihilation of the Dar el Harb and the establishment of the Global Caliphate (Daniel Pipes estimates the number at around 15%), but the vast majority those who are not so drawn are very quiet, because the message contained in the memeplex of Islam supports not them, but the militants, and they are quite reasonably frightened of suffering the Righteous Retribution of the Violent Faithful should they dare to attempt to speak out in dissent (Some exceptions are Salman Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Irshad Manji, Taslima Naslim, and Ibn Warraq, these brave souls continue to suffer for their courage and integrity, and many of their outspoken brethren have been killed).

Now, briefly, let us look at the particular strain which is presently so globally troubling.

Imaam Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab was born in and lived in eighteenth century Arabia (1703-1792), and promulgated the idea that Islam had fallen away from its seventh century roots, the Edenic era when Muhammed and the Four Great Caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali) succeeded each other, and needed to return to them. This involved a Puritanical purging of all non-Muslim nfluences, the return of draconian enforcement of religious edicts against infidels, and the toughening of restrictions upon women. Wahhabism subsequently spread throughout most of the Arabian Peninsula and gained significant footholds beyond, but concentrated itself primarily upon the peninsula itself, as the defender of the purity of the faith in Muhammed's birth land, the Land of the Two Mosques. In the early 20th century, the House of Saud brokered a deal with the Wahhabists, and Saudi Arabia was born.

Sayyid Qutb was a Wahhabist born in Egypt (1906-1966). He traveled to the US, and sojourned there between 1948 and 1950. This experience shocked and disgusted him. He was horrified by the presence of uppity and voting women, freeddom of religion and thought, widespread substance use and rampant sexual licentiousness. He then put forth the idea that the US was the fount of Jahiliyya (a word roughly translatable as pre-Musim Paganism), and, as such, was a danger to Islam and must be forcibly subjected to Shari'a rule. He did not view the US as a military threat, but rather contended that its various freedoms and vices were slatternly temptations that could seduce the faithful away from the true path. Thus, for the good of both the faith and of all humankind, the US as it was must be destroyed, and Mulim piousness enforced there. He later generalized this view to include, forst Europen, and later all non-Muslim societies.

Notice that, without Qutb, Wahhabism would have remained directed inwards, and without Wahhab, Qutb would not have had a pious and puritanical Islam with which to compare and contrast the US culture which he encountered. Together, their contributions combine to create the present Al Qaedan stance that the entire globe must be subjugated to a religious regimen that consciously holds itself in the seventh century. Interestingly enough, the head of Al Qaeda, Usama Bin Laden, came from Saudi Arabia (like Wahhab), while Al Qaeda's chief ideologue, Zawahiri, came from Egypt (like Qutb).

Considering all of these points taken together, I must respectfully disagree with your contention that, in the present age, Fundamentalist Christianity is more of a threat than Radical Islamism.

PS: Do not think that this is a racist stance which I am taking; I am expressing dismay at the propagation of a violent, virulent memeset that may cognitively infect any racial or ethnic classification, and trying to figure out what can be said and/or done to persuade Muslims to refuse to embrace it. In fact, there are quite a few non-Muslim Arabs, and the majority of Muslims are themselves not Arabs - the most populous Muslim nations are Malaysia and Indonesia, and their populations are East Asian, not Arab). Likewise, I am not criticizing Islam alone or in its entirety; the problem we face and the task set before us is to gain enough understanding of the workings of the Islamofascist memeplex to be able to memetically counter the propensity, a propensity particularly inherent in the Islamic memeplex but also present in the memeplexes of the other Patriarchal Monotheisms, to facilitate the spawning of intolerant and murderous mutational variants, such as, in the case of Islam, the Wahhab/Qutb Al Qaedan strain.

Posted by: Salamantis at November 8, 2005 9:33 PM

Islam is just playing Al-lah's favorite tune: "5 Billion People Screaming as the Planet Goes Dark."

Posted by: pythagoras at November 8, 2005 9:48 PM

Everyone KNOWS that CAIR is a front group for terrorist networks that slaughter innocent people, non-Muslim and otherwise, without provocation or concern. So why should we care what they think? I don't.

It's not necessary to CARE about CAIR.

Personally I think the 'mujahideen at CAIR' were among those responsible for 9-11.

p.s.-Thank you for this FANTASTIC website, Mr. Spencer. (I know we don't agree on much, however).

Posted by: pythagoras at November 8, 2005 9:55 PM

What a chuckle as many high placed personnel in CAIR have turned out to be TERRORISTS! There, I've mentioned the dread un PC word - Terrorists and MUSLIM TERRORISTS too.As for these Moon worshipping MO cretins who behave and want to remain in the 7th century, here is a message for you.HACK INTO OUR SITES LIKE YOU HACK OFF HEADS OF INFIDELS,WHINE,MOAN,LIE AS YOUR HOLY BOOK TELLS YOU TO DO IN THE SERVICE OF ALLAH, BUT WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP UNTIL THE LIKES OF CAIR AND THEIR MINIONS ARE EXPOSED FOR WHAT THEY ARE ...

Posted by: Morgane at November 8, 2005 9:58 PM

So CAIR doesnt like it when the truth is exposed..

I am an Infidel (a christian one) and PROUD of it..

I noticed that Islam never CARES about human rights as the islamic fanatics are
Mass raping the women in the sudan.
Killing civilians with bus bombs
Blowing up Trains
Be-heading Civilians.
Butchering Jews who were there 1500 years before Mohammed was even BORN...

So i will tell you my rights..
I have
The RIGHT TO be FREE from Islamic Butchers.
The RIGHT TO be FREE from Islamic Genocide.
The RIGHT TO be FREE from Islamic Suicide bombs.
The RIGHT TO be FREE from Islamic Rapists.
The RIGHT TO be FREE from Islamic Be-Heading.
The RIGHT TO be FREE from Islamic Propaganda.
The RIGHT TO be FREE from Islamic Jizra TAX
The RIGHT TO be FREE from Islamic Intimidation
The RIGHT TO be FREE from Islamic RULES.

I will NOT Bown down to or in ANY other way
worship the FALSE god of ISLAM...
PERIOD...

Write that down on a Koran and SMOKE it...

Posted by: jingoist at November 8, 2005 10:11 PM

"It is as if, in the Bible, the Old Testament came later and superceded the New; if this were so, Christianity would be (even) much more brutal and intolerant than it is now."

Posted by: Salamantis at November 8, 2005 09:33 PM

From this, we would assume that adherents to Judaism (who believe in the Old Testament) would be more brutal and intolerant than Christians (who believe in the New Testament).

The real difference is the interpretation of texts. Whereas the Old Testament records historical battles and gives religious edicts to battle certain groups - later leaders were able to understand the underlying morality and sought out morality internally. Thus, they were able to conveniently "lose all records" of who the word Amalack refers to and no longer seek out such battles.

The New Testament had never undergone the same inner sight, resulting in "undesirable elements" (, such as the fanatical desire to convert the Jews to believing in Jesus and the acts carried out towards such a goal,) that lingered within the Christian tradition.

Similarly, no such interprative tradition has taken place among readers of the Koran. That is the real issue. Islam has the POTENTIAL to be the religion of peace, if it is approached correctly (and properly edited).

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 8, 2005 10:12 PM

"The New Testament had never undergone the same inner sight, resulting in "undesirable elements" (, such as the fanatical desire to convert the Jews to believing in Jesus and the acts carried out towards such a goal,) that lingered within the Christian tradition."

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 8, 2005 10:12 PM

I disagree with that statement, as the age of enlightenment has surely taught us the value of inquisitive approaches to texts. You can't be serious that a similar change has not taken place in many of the different forms of Christianity today. (As a former Christian) I find such a statement to be very upsetting.

My apologies to anyone I might have offended.

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 8, 2005 10:16 PM

Hi
CAIR is spending the wahabi money on giving out free qurans right. Why dont all the kaafirs who are aware of lies and deciets of CAIR get all the Quran copies so that they dont end up with naive americans.
Please order your copy today!

Posted by: Kaafir at November 8, 2005 10:16 PM

Chutzpah is an understatement.

This analogous to the National Socialists in Germany or USA after WWII wanting to speak in a Synagogue after Wiesenthal presents the Nazi crimes in WWII.

If the Jews in CA do not see who are the true followers of Adolf Hitler today, they are totally morons and do not deserve to be Jewish.

Richard

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at November 8, 2005 10:17 PM

Chair and other Muslim apppologists do not seem to grasp, is the concept of Western Thought.. that is our Freedoms, particulary "Freedom of Speech". If there any Muslims reading this.. for you who have fled your violent countries that are filled with poverty. you want to come and live in the Western world, then "You" must abide by our customs esp. our hard fought for Freedoms! They want to be able to practice their relgion in a tolerant West, then must also accept our culture! If they do not like it,,my advice is to go back home. For the liberal media who are the appologist for this cult, they want equate all religions as equal,and cultures. Do you see droves of Westerners moving to the Arab Muslim mid east? No!! Therefore l conclude our culture to be superior!

Posted by: Lulu at November 8, 2005 10:18 PM

"This CAIR press release is yet another example of that organization's attempt to stifle free speech about Islam and terrorism in the United States, and to intimidate into silence those who dare to step out of line. Well, they got National Review. And they got Fox's 24. And they got ABC. But they're not going to get me."

Right-On Mr. Spencer--no Dhimmis here!

Posted by: agitate at November 8, 2005 10:30 PM

CAIR is fast becoming the Islamic ACLU in that:
1. It knows intimidation works
2. It attacks it opponents
3. It hides behind doublespeak

The ACLU is already the most anti-American, anti-G-d organization in this country, with deep pockets and influence on many benches.

G-d help us if CAIR ever rises to such power.
They learned intimidation works because we let it happen.

Here's an idea for a Muslim speaker at the synagogue: Walid Shoebat. He's already spoken at many synagogues across the country.

BTW- "Islamophobia": We're not afraid of Islam, we just can't STAND Islam!

Posted by: ZionLion at November 8, 2005 10:35 PM

I'm a big fan of this site and read it every day.

I don't think there should be any direct reaction to CAIR because they don't deserve serious consideration, but I do think that some comments on this site undermine what you are trying to do. There are some blogs with wild and outrageous commentary that seem to fit the overall freewheeling attitude of the site, but JIhadWatch is too serious, too important to be tainted by ill-thought, poorly stated and sometimes downright racists comments.

I'm sure it is impossible to monitor these threads but sometimes I think they damage your credibility with people who are not more familiar with the site.

Posted by: bb at November 8, 2005 10:39 PM

Dear Mr. Spencer,

Have no anxiety at all, but in everything, through prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God. Then the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.

Like St. Paul and St. Peter, you are doing important work in spreading the word. And like them, you will be protected until your work is done.

Everyone that believes in God, please, get down on your knees tonight and ask God to keep Robert Spencer safe. We need him now and we need the information he shares and the leadership he presents. This evil that we are facing is not an insurmountable obstacle. But we need to take a look at history and learn from it.

Did you know that in the battle of Lepanto Don Juan of Austria led the opposition to a Moslem force that was overwhelming in it's numbers and yet could not withstand the force of the Rosary that Don Juan and his forces prayed. The Moslems were soundly defeated and they can be again, but we have to know what we are up against and who the enemy is and only then will we know what weapon will be most effective in facing the most challenging foe that the world has ever had to deal with. We have met this foe before but with their access to technology, instant communication and seemingly neverending, fellow traveling, downright deceitful disinformation, we have our work cut out for us.

I pray for you, that God will keep you safe and that you will continue to impart your wisdom and courage to the rest of us.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 8, 2005 10:43 PM

Islam is incompatible with any Western nation.

No citizens should be allowed to be Muslims in any Western Nation because the foundation of our nation is based on values that are incompatible with Islam.

No Muslim can be trusted to cherish, defend and love nations like the USA, France, Denmark, Ireland or Italy. It is an absurd to think they could.

Since Muslims have their paramount allegiance in arabia and their holy places towards which they face in prayer 5 times a day in aeabia, that is away from estern countries, they cannot be citizens of integrity of any Western country.

Their hearts will be always divided.
And "No man can serve two masters..."

Despite its shrill cries CAIR has no 'locus standi' in the US. Its only purpose is to breed traitors. In the worst case CAIR should be prosecuted for having a criminal agenda and in the best case made redundant.

Posted by: rocky at November 8, 2005 10:48 PM

Islamic harrassment litigation is becoming serious abuse of the legal process.

A good explanation Beagle - but it's more like "disagreement litigation" if you ask me.

People say, well, the Old Testament is itself to a significant degree a 'testament' to divinely sanctioned brutality, and this is indeed true. However, most of that brutality was superseded by the more peaceful and tolerant New Testament,

I might add: Christians do not follow the Old Testament. The Old Testament exists to show us just how necessary the New Testament is.

The Quran instructs the current modern day follower to utilize violence.

The Old Testament instructed those in that day to utilize force to overcome immorality.

The New Testament instructs us that this world is a very temporary place.

The bottom line is, if someone is breaking into my house I'm going to do something about it.

BTW- "Islamophobia": We're not afraid of Islam, we just can't STAND Islam!

To borrow a phrase from Seinfeld: Islamocantstandya

Posted by: Report at November 8, 2005 11:12 PM

Be safe, Mr. Spencer! Exercising your freedom of speech in this matter is a dangerous, fatal thing.
By speaking the truth about Islam, you have bit the bullet and joined the league of Salman Rushdie, Theo Van Gogh and Taslima Nasreen. So stay safe! And hope you're never muzzled.

Imo, not being rabid, but simply and calmly putting facts forth (and up for challenge) is the best way of convincing people who're unaware about the danger this ideology poses to humanity. Factual events, unadorned and unexaggerated are what finally convinced me, not speculation and innuendo like that earthquake item yesterday. Jihadwatch does get a bit too rabid at times which must drive the neutral ones away. http://www.faithfreedom.org is a good site to emulate, I think.

Time to hook up to the hivemind and reprogram for the 5th time in the day NOT.. Not yet anyway. And I hope I'm never forced to.

Posted by: kufr at November 8, 2005 11:24 PM

Mr Spencer you and many of the posters on this site are the exemplars of moderation, truth and balance.

We stand behind you 100%, perhaps CAIR's interest in Jihadwatch is a result of this site's and movement's great and growing success.

Every single person that has taken me up on my suggestion to visit this sight has become one more who understands the truth about Islam and the likes of CAIR.

As Jihadwatch and your success grows expect more comments from CAIR, that may be a good thing, by focusing attention to us they will help us grow.

Posted by: El Cid at November 8, 2005 11:29 PM

While CAIR is busy trying to impose their brand of censorship on America, our State Department is busy promoting CAIR in the US and the world. Someone want to tell me why Condi Rice's State Department is in the business of promoting the good works of CAIR?
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From the link:
http://usinfo.state.gov/mena/Archive/2005/Oct/12-579520.html

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said this year’s Ramadan has become a month of charity and giving more than ever before because of natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrina and the massive earthquake in Pakistan and parts of India and Afghanistan.

“The benefits of Ramadan are being better understood because those who are fasting can appreciate the suffering of the victims of these natural disasters, many of whom are hungry and without shelter,” Hooper said.

In the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, American Muslims are also eager to explain Islam to other Americans and the holy month of Ramadan offers many opportunities to share.

CAIR, the largest Islamic civil liberties and advocacy group in the United States, is conducting a nationwide “Sharing Ramadan” outreach effort to invite non-Muslims to learn more about the values of Islam.

CAIR is also sponsoring a campaign called “Explore the Quran” by distributing free Qurans to non-Muslims who want to understand Islam better. Those who request a Quran receive a hardcover book with an English translation next to the Arabic on each page.

Posted by: MJ at November 8, 2005 11:30 PM

Must be this site is doing somthing right, the American way. Nothing wrong with free thought, even if a idea is way off it still can be balanced against others in a open forum, everyone can speak his mind.

This site is a breath of what is needed in the media, pure honest talk from many different points of view.

A very needed site, my thanks to JW for being there.

If CAIR is offended by what is voiced here, they can "turn the channel".

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at November 8, 2005 11:52 PM

I wonder how many synagogues want to have a
CAIR spokesman speak there.

"Oh yeah, monkeys and swine is really a compliment in Arabic! No need to get offended.
No, that saying is that at the end of days the
rocks and trees will say "Here is a Jew, offer
friendship"".

Disgusting bunch of lying scum. I don't CAIR.

Posted by: American at November 8, 2005 11:55 PM

I wonder how many synagogues want to have a
CAIR spokesman speak there.

"Oh yeah, monkeys and swine is really a compliment in Arabic! No need to get offended.
No, that saying is that at the end of days the
rocks and trees will say "Here is a Jew, offer
friendship"".

Disgusting bunch of lying scum. I don't CAIR.

Posted by: American at November 8, 2005 11:55 PM

*click*

You hear that, Mr. Spencer?

That was the sound of me adding JihadWatch to my favorites list. Trust me, it's a very short list.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Campisi at November 9, 2005 12:09 AM

>Click

Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 9, 2005 12:12 AM

Dude ~

I may not be much of a lawyer, but YOU HAVE GROUNDS TO SUE THEM. Remember - little guys almost always prevail against big gorillas. Defamation [you are NOT a "virulant anti-islam site"] and many other clauses fit right in.

You run a damned fine blog, and frankly, you should take these guys to the cleaners. SHOW THEM just exactly what it means to "play with the matches of libel".

GoatGuy

Posted by: GoatGuy at November 9, 2005 12:20 AM

Mr. Spencer:
As an committed Jihadwatcher, I truly admire your intellectual contributions with your books and website. You have an important role in presenting the truth about Islam to our world today.

We all know that the liberal western press simply won't give us the truth about Islam. Your prophetic voice about Islam is sorely needed to compete with the trumpet blasts of the misinformed western media.

You are a respected intellectual whose own commitment to educating people in the truth about Islam has brought me closer to my love for country (U.S) and my religious faith, Roman Catholicism. Your book Inside Islam: A Guide for Catholics helped me to understand the misconceptions about Islam and educated me about the theological differences between the two faiths. It is my hope and prayer that Muslim societies will some day come to fully accept and know the truth of Jesus Christ as God, not as a prophet.

I read the articles on this website on a daily basis and use them to educate me about what is really happening in the world.

It is of no surprise that CAIR is out to stop the work that you are committed to for the greater good of society. To speak the truth about Islam makes you a target of Islam. This is not a surprise. Consider yourself a success if CAIR doesn't like the work that you are committed to as an intellectual.

I live in a country (U.S) that values freedom of religion and freedom of speech. The jihadwatch website operates because freedom of religion and freedom of speech laws allow it to operate here. There are many people like me who support the work that you do on this website. Although there are some who post vulgar and vicious comments about Islam on this website, I have never attributed them to you.

Keep up the great work with jihadwatch and all your intellectual endeavors.

Posted by: Johnathan at November 9, 2005 12:40 AM

This website is terrible and it's surprising that it hasn't provoked any attacks on innocent muslims yet. In Israel, this would fall under the Incitement Law and be illegal. You can write what you want within reason. Promoting this type of hate is on the periphery of the law, if not illegal. This is no different from Neo-Nazi webpages that call for death to Jews or some Islamic webpages that call for death to Christians and Jews.

The most disgusting post ever on this website:

"Muslims set fire to innocent woman in France"

Exactly where is the proof that the guilty parties were muslims?? There is none. It was just assumed for the sake of this website without one shread of evidence that this is the case. Now that is unethical.

Posted by: Ryan at November 9, 2005 12:53 AM

This website is terrible and it's surprising that it hasn't provoked any attacks on innocent muslims yet. In Israel, this would fall under the Incitement Law and be illegal. You can write what you want within reason. Promoting this type of hate is on the periphery of the law, if not illegal. This is no different from Neo-Nazi webpages that call for death to Jews or some Islamic webpages that call for death to Christians and Jews.

The most disgusting post ever on this website:

"Muslims set fire to innocent woman in France"

Exactly where is the proof that the guilty parties were muslims?? There is none. It was just assumed for the sake of this website without one shread of evidence that this is the case. Now that is unethical.

Posted by: Ryan at November 9, 2005 12:53 AM

Ryan,

If this site is so terrible, then go away.

Posted by: igor at November 9, 2005 12:56 AM

Ryan,
Did you apologize for your previous lies?
It's hard to take liars seriously, so put up
your apology for charging in guns blazing and
accusing Spencer of calling mohammadans rats or
whatever it was your febrile imagination conjured up. Then maybe you can be treated as a non troll.

Posted by: American at November 9, 2005 1:24 AM

Ryan,

it's surprising that it hasn't provoked any attacks on innocent muslims yet

Making a film about Islam will get a religious manifesto stabbed in your chest and a partial decapitation. Dating the wrong person will get you stabbed 48 times. Children who want candy will be blown to pieces by suicide bombers in Iraq. Women who step out of line with their Muslim family get acid facials. Politicians who dare to critique Islam need 24 hour guard.

Hmmmm?

Try using more of your brain.

Some people were raised in peaceful, tolerant societies which can absorb as much intellectual banter, insults, even incitement (to use your stupid, inapposite example) as you can throw at them. Muslims get angry and make an international incident over cartoons.

Posted by: Beagle at November 9, 2005 1:28 AM

"Ryan" said: This website is terrible and it's surprising that it hasn't provoked any attacks on innocent muslims yet.

This website is informing the world regarding the violent FACTS and ACTS of Islam.

Promoting this type of information is within the periphery of the law.

"Ryan" said: Exactly where is the proof that the guilty parties were muslims??

According to "Ryan" the question of one report now means that all of Islam is safe for the world.

Posting your post repeatedly, now that is unethical. (Of course 15-year-olds still need to brush-up on mouse control)

Hey "Ryan" here's an article for ya: 'Adherents of militant Islam account for some 15-20 percent of the Muslim world, according to Daniel Pipes, an expert on the subject. This means that more than 150 million people are part of the problem. To make matters worse, they hide among the moderates. They don't wear uniforms and rarely identify themselves.' http://www.meforum.org/article/168

Hey "Ryan" learn how to type "Islam" in a google search and take more than 2 minutes to actually study the problem.

P.S. America, Free Speech, Get A Clue.