C.a.i.r. Terrorists need to be shipped back to Cairo.

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 9, 2005 5:17 PM

Who did this?
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10100.shtml
Who did this?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2005 5:17 PM

Surely CAIR will only succeed in sending more people to this website ? CAIR are not very bright, the photoshop hijab incident was pretty funny.

Posted by: TooBad at November 9, 2005 5:19 PM

I am pondering whether the reply to CAIR should quote McAuliffe or Sarkozy: "nuts" or "scum."

Posted by: Lisa at November 9, 2005 5:21 PM

Free publicity.

Great Job Islam is doing in DARFUR!

Won't be long till Cair sends the Muslim Janjaweed after you too, Robert.

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 9, 2005 5:21 PM

islam defames all unbelievers.
http://www.al-islam.org/laws/najisthings.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2005 5:24 PM

Boris:

Hoo, boy. Wait till fearless leader hears about this. Natasha, we must stop Moose and Squirrel (aka Robert and Hugh).

Natasha:

But Boris, Moose and Squirrel are just quoting Fearless Leader.

Boris:

They are? Well, that's not allowed!

Posted by: Mentat at November 9, 2005 5:24 PM

Hahaha!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Thanks Caroline, this one is really good!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 9, 2005 5:24 PM

"The Washington-based council said the growing level of Islamophobic rhetoric in American society prompts some individuals to turn their hate-filled views into violent actions."

??? Since when have Christians been beheading Muslims on Al-Jazeera???
I keep forgetting that lying is allowed in Islam for the purpose of tricking the enemies of extremist Islam, that would be the Americans.

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 9, 2005 5:27 PM

Computer
Automated
Islamic
Responses

Posted by: Shy Guy at November 9, 2005 5:28 PM

Islam is an inherently violent faith that must be confronted.

Posted by: otterfisher at November 9, 2005 5:37 PM

There should be a congressional investigation into CAIR's ties to terrorist groups. They're a bigger threat to national security than Scooter Libby ever was.

Posted by: delia7 at November 9, 2005 5:37 PM

CAIR wants us to learn about Islam. I think we are learning:
Muslims are encouraged to lie to unbelievers. Muslims are commanded to wage jihad - which means fighting with the sword.
Muslims have no respect for non-Muslims.

The Justice Department should go after CAIR as a seditious organization. Spreading Islamism while attacking the enemies of Islamism should be considered treason.

Posted by: rafael699 at November 9, 2005 5:41 PM

This is why we can not let islam get an upper-hand.
"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar Ahmad

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2005 5:41 PM

OT
At least 57 dead, 300+ injured in the blasts in Jordan.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2005 5:44 PM

Individual CAIR members may be arrested and convicted for various terror-related offenses but as a Saudi-funded organization, CAIR holds an institutional get-out-of-jail-free card as well as an open invitation to WH Ramadan celebrations and other assorted multi-denominational "faith" events.

END THE CHARADE. NAME THE ENEMY. SHUT DOWN THE SAUDI JIHAD MACHINE.

Posted by: Charles Martel at November 9, 2005 5:51 PM

Is Mr. Spencer denying that the "death to islam" posts were being posted on his website? When I tried to get them removed, I was attacked and told by other that "death to islam" should not be removed and that it was good. Who is the leader of this tribe? Yes, Mr. Spencer himself. Mr. Spencer has not condemned the "death to islam" comments one single time. The posts were not even removed until there was a complaint by CAIR.

Posted by: Ryan at November 9, 2005 5:51 PM

It should be obvious from the press release that CAIR loves irony:

"The Washington-based council said the growing level of Islamophobic rhetoric in American society prompts some individuals to turn their hate-filled views into violent actions."

Does CAIR mean that the faithful will (again) use demonstrably-true factual statements about Islam and its (false) prophet as a justification for (more) violence against infidels?

"Just yesterday, CAIR urged a Los Angeles synagogue that hosted a speech by Robert Spencer, the operator of a virulently anti- Muslim website..."

So, telling the truth about Islam's "sacred" text, history, theology, and jurisprudence is "anti-Muslim"?

Someone ought to tell Allah!

"...to offer its congregation a more balanced perspective on Islam."

So, CAIR rejects the Qur'an's commands to "...kill the unbelievers wherever you find them," and "Fight against the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] until they feel themselves subdued and pay the jizya"?

Now that's a revelation (unless, of course, they consider "balanced" and "false" to be synonymous)!

"Comments and articles on Spencer's site, which is used as reference by a number of Islamophobic commentators, compare Muslims to animals and Nazis ..."

Interestingly, it was Hitler's mufti, not his pope, who aided and encouraged the slaughter of millions of Jews.

"and portray Islam as an inherently violent faith that must be confronted."

CAIR can't (truthfully) deny the first half of that statement, so it must be the confronting to which they object!

"New comments on that site today include "death to islam (sic)," "islam must be destroyed..destroy islam (sic)," "ISLAM = DEADLY PARASITE," and "Islam IS the NAZISM of our generation."

Certainly, no decent person would advocate murdering innocents, unless of course the "decent" person is Mohammed and the "innocents" are non-Muslims (who can never be truly innocent, since they oppose Allah).

Only two groups of people can deny the innate violence of Islam: those ignorant of Qur'anic Islam's doctrine and practice of the last fourteen centuries, and those who would keep them ignorant until it is too late.

Posted by: Amillennialist at November 9, 2005 5:53 PM

Ah, Ryan... Our C.A.I.R. representative, how are you doing? Plan any suicide bombings recently? How's Jordan?

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 9, 2005 5:53 PM

Who did this?
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10100.shtml
Who did this?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2005 05:17 PM

Gold Star for you!!!

Just like they keep saying that It has nothing to do with mulsums but??

http://media.putfile.com/French-riots

This shows different!!

How many is it from CAIR who have been arrested for being islamic terrorist??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

PS
Mr Spencer you don't think my prayer is the cause to destroy all islamic terrorist

If that is so how can they be mad After Tuki al Falzial said yesterday the islamic terrorist are a cult not normal mulsums??

and even tukei wants to work to destroy these monster so what is wrong with American Mulsums??

Posted by: Catherine at November 9, 2005 5:54 PM

I'm not a member of CIAR buddy. I'm not a muslim. I'm just defending hardowrking average muslim-americans who are being imperiled by this website.

Posted by: Ryan at November 9, 2005 5:55 PM

I would like to cordially invite the employees of the Council on American Islamic Relations to please pay close attention to this site over the next few days.

I am working on researching a few items and will put them together into essay format. Once this piece is published, all eyes will be able to see exactly who the true hate speech is coming from.

Posted by: DCWatson at November 9, 2005 5:55 PM

Ryan:

I removed them when I saw them.

I remove all such when I see them, and that has been the policy all along. Here is evidence:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006235.php

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003015.php

Your insinuation that I approve of such comments is not based on fact. If you believe it is, support your contention with quotations from my own writings.

But you cannot, and CAIR cannot.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 9, 2005 5:56 PM

What's in it for them, all this whining? Are they maneuvering to have your tonque cut out and your fingers cut off? Will Congress go along? Will Bush think it's fair? Will Condi wipe the pokers?

Go ahead, get your favorites lackeys in Congress and the White House to open hearings, and introduce the bill - shut up Robert Spencer. This isn't weenie Europe CAIR.

Geez

John Sobieski, PI
The Pedestrian Infidel Blog

Posted by: John Sobieski at November 9, 2005 5:57 PM

ryan, you cretin, read this;

"However, the fact that particular comments remain on the site IN NO WAY constitutes an endorsement by Robert Spencer of the views expressed therein."

Posted by: otterfisher at November 9, 2005 5:58 PM

The funny thing is CAIR obviously continues to read this site. Their professional whining has no doubt brought additional readers to this site as well! Keep it up CAIR . . .the more you whine about JW/DW, the more you expose the double standard of islam.

CAIR's statements are indefensible and utterly misleading and libelous.

When someone lies about you to another person, that's called "defamation of character". Spoken lies are called "slander" and written or printed lies are called "libel".

Defamation, Libel and Slander

Generally speaking:

Defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm.

In Mr. Spencer's case, this harm is identified as a threat to his security. We've all read the fan mail Spencer has received. CAIR is clearly fanning the flames with this libel.

Libel involves the making of defamatory statements in a fixed medium, such as a magazine or newspaper.

Realizing the intolerant nature of Islam through the danger many critics of Islam face,(ie: Theo Van Gogh, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Pim Fortuyn), we can see that damages related to a libel lawsuit to address loss of personal security can be quite pricey .

I say sue.

Posted by: justamomof4 at November 9, 2005 6:01 PM

Perhaps CAIR could give us their moral opinion of this bit of misogyny from the prophet:

"I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women....[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence. " (The Prophet Muhammad) Sahih Bukhari v. 2 book 24, n 541.

As we know, this was a theme with Mohammad:

In the Koran,

Women are treated very badly/unfairly/as inferior (2:191, 2:216, 2:223, 4:3, 4:11, 4:14, 4:15, 4:19, 4:20, 4:24, *4:34, 4:176, 24:31, 63:9, 64:14-15, 70:10).

*4:34 does say “beat” her (or hit, or scourge). Some apologists have tried to weasel out of this by claiming that the Arabic word does not say “beat” or means a light symbolic hitting (Yusufali added the adjective “lightly,” but this is his addition; it is not in the Koran). At least 10 available respectable translations of the Koran say “beat” (or scourge, or hit). In 4:34, beating is the last in a progression of increasing punishments named in 4:34. A discussion of 4:34 and the word “beat” can be found at http://answering-islam.org/Silas/wife-beating.htm

Women are unclean. If a man has touched a woman at all before prayer time, he must wash up before doing the prayer. If he can’t find water, he should wash himself with dirt (5:6).

Woman’s testimony is worth half a man’s (2:282).

Women (and children and the “feeble”) are unable to devise a plan (4:98).

Wives (e.g., Noah’s and Lot’s) who are false (i.e., show the slightest sign of disbelief in Allah) to their husbands are to be killed by Allah (66:10). The wives of disbelievers will also be doomed with their husbands (37:22-31).

Allah (Mohammad) may replace wives who criticize their husband (66:5).

Women must wear covering veils except when they are with their immediate family (24:31, 33:59).

On the Last Day, pregnant women will suffer miscarriages, and nursing mothers will abandon/forget their infants (22:2).

Disbelievers name the angels with female names (53:27). They invoke in His stead only females (4:117), also see 37:150-153.

Muslim men are permitted to take female slaves for sex (23:6, 33:50), in addition to their multiple wives.

In the Hadith:

Note: Marriageable age in some Islamic countries for females is nine years of age. This follows Mohammad’s pedophilic example, because the age at which he consumated his marriage with Ayesha was 9. (He married her when he was in his fifties and when she was 6; he fantasized about her when she was five. He also was interested in other females, actually infants, who could potentially be his mates. This pattern fits the profile of someone with pedophillic tendencies).

Ayesha said “I have not seen anyone suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” Bukhari. v 7, b 72, n 715 The “green” adjective is in reference to the bruising from the beating.

“He (Muhammad) struck me (Aisha) on the chest which caused me pain.” Muslim, no. 2127. Mohammad’s child-wife Ayesha tells of how the prophet struck her hard enough to cause pain (and an enduring memory of it).

Aisha [who was 9] said, ‘I used to wash semen off the Prophet’s [who was 53] clothes. When he went for prayers I used to notice one or more spots on them.’ Bukhari, vol. 1, book 4, no. 1229-33

Any comments, CAIR?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 9, 2005 6:02 PM

PREPARED STATEMENT OF STEVEN EMERSON BEFORE THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE ON TERRORISM, TECHNOLOGY AND GOVERNMENT INFORMATION SUBJECT - FOREIGN TERRORISTS IN AMERICA: FIVE YEARS AFTER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBING
(exerpt)Feb 24 1998

"In particular, the Council on American Islamic Relations and American Muslim Council, as well as others, have sent out emails and internet alerts "warning" their supporters about these hearings this morning. In effect, the message disseminated by these groups was that merely discussing the presence of Islamic radicals on American soil is to be construed as an attack on Islam. The same type of message was issued by Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, spiritual ringleader of the World Trade Center bombing-related conspiracy, when he claimed that his conviction was "an attack on Islam." This type of contrived delusion is but a transparent effort to prevent a free discussion of the threat of militant Islamic fundamentalism in the United States. On Sunday night, an even more incendiary email alert was distributed by the "Free Arab Voice" when it labeled this hearing an "attack on Islam." The Threat to Free Speech and Thought: If not confronted, the efforts by radical Islamic groups such as the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the American Muslim Council (AMC) to intimidate those who speak out on the threat of militant Islamic fundamentalism poses one of the greatest dangers to the freedoms in American society. In point of fact--elucidated later in this testimony--these groups are actual political wings of radical Islamic fundamentalist organizations. They have defended terrorist groups, terrorist leaders including Hamas chieftain Musa Marzook and WorldTrade Center bombing conspiracy ringleader Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, and the Sudanese terrorist regime currently engaged in a genocidal war against the Christian minority. Both of these groups have sponsored visits in the United States of leading international militants and known anti-Semites (including those who exhorted their followers to kill Jews) and consistently attacked American writers for exposing the threat of militant Islamic extremism. These groups pose a clear and present danger to American freedoms and society, not to mention moderate Muslims around the globe."

more.. http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/6453/emerson.html

Posted by: otterfisher at November 9, 2005 6:09 PM

Well, I think we know who contacted CAIR.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2005 6:10 PM

Ryan, the terrorist apologist, writes, "I'm not a member of CIAR buddy. I'm not a muslim. I'm just defending hardowrking average muslim-americans who are being imperiled by this website."

So Ryan, buddy, do you visit any of the Muslim websites and monitor their constant Jew-hatred? Do you let hem know that their antisemitism imperils hardworking American Jews?

Posted by: MJ at November 9, 2005 6:12 PM

"Mr. Spencer has not condemned the "death to islam" comments one single time. The posts were not even removed until there was a complaint by CAIR."

Ryan, come on now. You are not dealing with apolagetic morons on this site. We here are not going to apolagize for our "death to islam" comments. We are exercising our right to free speach. And we are also all well aware of the danger Islam poses to this planet. And I'm not only speaking of the people killed by islams "holy warriers" each day. It the human rights violations that scare me the most. I for myself, will have my rifle pryed from my dead hands before I submit myself to live in a land governed by islam...

Posted by: Hans at November 9, 2005 6:14 PM

"On Oct. 13, 2000, CAIR and the AMC sponsored a rally outside the Israeli Embassy in Washington where the speakers led the crowd in a chant: Khybar, Khybar, ya, ya Yahood, jesh Mohammed sofa ya'ud. (Translation: "Khybar Khybar, oh Jews, the army of Mohammed is coming for you.") It is a refrain used by Hamas threatening the annihilation of Jews as was done to the Jewish tribe in Khybar, Saudi Arabia, by Mohammed in the year 628.

At another Washington rally, on Oct. 28, 2000, the AMC's Mr. Alamoudi led the thousands in attendance to chant their support for Hamas and Hezbollah. "Hear that, Bill Clinton, we are all supporters of Hamas," he declared. "I wish they argued that I am also a supporter of Hezbollah." (When the New York Daily News asked about these comments earlier this week, Mr. Alamoudi denied making them, telling the reporter: "You better check your Arabic." When the reporter noted that he had given the speech in English, Mr. Alamoudi replied, "It was in English? Oh my God, I forgot!")

In 1998 AMC, CAIR and AMA hosted a rally at Brooklyn College where Islamic militants exhorted the attendees to carry out "jihad" and described Jews as "pigs and monkeys." In 1999 these same groups, together with MPAC, sponsored a rally in Santa Clara, Calif., where speakers accused Israel and the U.S. of carrying out "a conspiracy" to "kill Muslims." One speaker called for the death of Jews."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=65000531

Posted by: otterfisher at November 9, 2005 6:16 PM

Carolyn,

The hijab was humorous but I hope everyone scrolls down for the more important point.

...the false prophets and the fruit we know them by.

Posted by: XRDC at November 9, 2005 6:19 PM

Women are unclean. If a man has touched a woman at all before prayer time, he must wash up before doing the prayer. If he can’t find water, he should wash himself with dirt (5:6).

Death puts me in a bad mood. Now that that disclaimer has been said. Here are some thoughts and questions about this holy directive.

So dirt is cleaner than a woman. Why do they want to have intercourse with a woman then? Stay with the nice nanny goats, tho I suppose a billy goat will do in a pinch.

Do they scrub their privates (that you're not supposed to look at anyway) with dirt after intercourse to get clean?

You know what Mao said? He who had syphillis? "I clean myself off in the women I'm with."

Posted by: Whistling Dixie at November 9, 2005 6:26 PM

If CAIR keeps refering to us as unreasonable, why, I just don't know how we'll be able to restrain ourselves from shooting a fat middle-aged Dutchman riding his bicycle down a crowded street on a sunny day, chasing him down and shooting him a few more times, ignoring his pleas for mercy, stabbing him a few times, cutting his throat till his head's nearly off, and then pinning pages of the Bible to his corpse. And then-- you thought it was enough-- shooting a policeman. And then-- there's more-- refusing to feel anything but religious rapture when telling the victim's family "So what!" Yup, I blame CAIR if they continue to malign me and mine. I might have to murder a school full of Russian children, a bus full of Israelis, a nightclub full of Australians, trains full of English or-- and-- Spanish. I'll have to hijack aeroplanes and crash them into office towers. There's no end of the murder I'll have to commit if CAIR keeps saying I'm a bigot and don't think Islam is a religion of peace.

Hey, there's only so much a man can take. So far I've held my temper. But if ever they insult my shoes, well, (bud,) the gloves come off.

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 9, 2005 6:28 PM

from post above by alRyan:

"I'm not a member of CIAR buddy. I'm not a muslim. I'm just defending hardowrking average muslim-americans who are being imperiled by this website."

Cleverly misspelling the acronym is a fine 'tell' -- Elsewhere someone pointed out the clever name -- Ryan -- implying a fine Irish lad with shocks of blond hair and clear piercing blue eyes -- Trading on his contempt for us here, assuming that WE'LL assume he couldn't possibly be a Muslim now, could he?

This Muslim apologist, this person solely dedicated to denigrating this site, this prevaricating self appointed "Protector of the Faithful, loyal "hardworking" Muslim" may or may not be a Muslim -- I don't really care... But he is either as misguided as the least dangerous Muslim is, or as invidious and sinister as the worst Muslim is...

It doesn't really matter -- I have never seen him condemn a single atrocity committed by a Muslim, or discuss Jihad in any manner -- instead he comes, like several others, to 'engage' in 'dialogue' in order to 'improve' this website -- and then proceeds to lob the most preposterous off topic swill into the threads -- Mysteriously, this site is consistently excoritated as a wellspring of a hatred that will set the world ablaze -- more projection from a closet Jihadist who only wishes this site ill, and will spew the mosts decrepit filth in his efforts to stop us from confronting Islamic Jihad and Islamic fascism...

Posted by: jsla at November 9, 2005 6:28 PM

Great post, sonofwalker! :)

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2005 6:39 PM

"Death to Islam" is sort of like "War on Poverty." Nobody assumed panhandlers would be shot when LBJ announced the Great Society.

Ryan is reaching. Islam makes no secret of its wish to become the only faith on Earth, violently if necessary.

Were I advising CAIR I'd remind them that Muslim websites are filled with detailed, specific threats against actual people. But I'm not, so please sue away.

Posted by: Beagle at November 9, 2005 6:40 PM

http://kyl.senate.gov/legis_center/subdocs/091003_epstein.pdf

On Oct 7, 2001, CAIR- New York executive Director Ghazi Khankan asked an audience;

"Why is it assumed that Muslims were behind the attack on 9/11? We know at least three people assumed to be hijakers who are alive in the middle-east. The question is, who is impersonating these Muslim names? Who benefits from assuming Muslims are behind this tragedy and who benefits from this tragedy." etcetera, ad nauseum..

pack of liars..they know of 3 of the hijackers
still alive/.

Posted by: otterfisher at November 9, 2005 6:41 PM

I believe our friend "Ryan" may be Italian.

http://www.portfolio123.com/mvnforum/viewmember?memberid=3230

Europe is burning, Ryan Mancini. Wise up!!!

Posted by: XRDC at November 9, 2005 6:44 PM

CAIR: the Turd Pie in the Pool of Man

Posted by: Crunchy Jello at November 9, 2005 6:45 PM

"So Ryan, buddy, do you visit any of the Muslim websites and monitor their constant Jew-hatred? Do you let hem know that their antisemitism imperils hardworking American Jews?"

Posted by: MJ at November 9, 2005 06:12 PM

At the moment, I think Christians are in much bigger danger than the Jews are - simply because Jews have been dealing with Muslims for a thousand years. Christians don't know the truth.

As for Ryan...

Isn't it a bit suspicious that during the short duration that Ryan stopped writing a while back, Shikrwhatever showed up and posted a bunch of propaganda and then disappeared and then Ryan reappeared? A comparison of IP addresses might be telling.

But seriously, why do you keep coming back if you hate everything here? Don't you have better groups to spy on? The FBI is currently hiring Muslims who can translate Arabic.

(Little hint: I personally alternate between three different computers in two different computer labs when I post here.)

Posted by: Nqamah Ben Mavet at November 9, 2005 6:45 PM

I have often been tempted to end comments, but for a variety of reasons have not done so; and I certainly am not going to do so now, under pressure from this group that has shown so little interest in fairness or true dialogue.

Good! While we should use our good sense when we post, we should never have to worry about being PC. Free speech is America. SLAPP suits (thanks to Beagle, I know a new legal term)should never be allowed to curtail our freedom.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2005 6:48 PM

Perhaps CAIR, those paragons of moral virtue, will condemn the recent announcement from Ahmedinejad's Advisor on Foreign Affairs:

“Hassan Abbasi, Head the Center for Security Doctrines Research of the IRGC has become Ahmadi-Nejad's prime advisor on Foreign Affairs. He lately announced, "We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization.””

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20065

Posted by: Archimedes at November 9, 2005 6:48 PM

Ryan,

Did you ever manage to take your parents to the Hajj?

http://www.somaliuk.com/Forums/index.php?board=1;action=printpage;threadid=1038

Posted by: XRDC at November 9, 2005 6:49 PM

RYAN SAID:
Ryan, the terrorist apologist, writes, "I'm not a member of CIAR buddy. I'm not a muslim. I'm just defending hardowrking average muslim-americans who are being imperiled by this website."

So Ryan, buddy, do you visit any of the Muslim websites and monitor their constant Jew-hatred? Do you let hem know that their antisemitism imperils hardworking American Jews?

Ryan sounds like a leftist-socialist workers type or Trotskyite. Islam is the only religion the left will stick up for. These commies see Islamic lumpen proletariat (and welfare bums) dragging down the West instead of their much vaunted worker's revolution

Posted by: dennisw at November 9, 2005 6:52 PM

back in 03 CAIR got offended by Laura Schlessinger..called her an islamophobic bigot..

"The Washington, D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations took offense to remarks made by Schlessinger on Monday's program in response to a mother who asked whether her 16-year-old daughter should take part in a Catholic high school class's field trip to a local mosque. The visit was part of a "moral themes" class that aimed to help students learn how "Muslims are treated" in the United States.

Schlessinger told the mother she should tell the teacher "you are willing to go to the mosque only if it is one that has done its best to rout out terrorists in its midst."

CAIR said Schlessinger "crossed the line from legitimate commentary on terrorism to Islamophobic bigotry."

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35767

Posted by: otterfisher at November 9, 2005 6:53 PM

Robert -
My advice - close the comments section on JihadWatch and don't give anyone attacking you a chance to post comments that would undermine your efforts.

Posted by: jeffreyimm at November 9, 2005 6:56 PM

Like Mr. Spencer always says let their book do the talking??

It is not a hate sight but to imform people what is going on do some people get mad because of the hate and all the killing being done in the name of islam today??

I know I do!!

The thing we have seen on TV heard on radio shows from CAIR are excusses like now we here excusses from France and Denile from Framce and mulsums roit in their streets burning their citys there are groups lie CAIR who have intemated all who were left to stand up and warn CAIR's problem is they don't want all this put on one sight were people can come and see it is not just happening to Jews because no Jews live there!!

Again how many CAIR members have been arrested for islamic terrorism??

No not all mulsums are terrorist and Mr. Spencer has never said that that I've heard or read that they were??

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

READ IT AND WEEP FOR THOSE WHO THESE MONSTERS HAVE KILLED BY THEIR BOOK PEAR,BERG,JOHNSTON,HENSLEY,BISLEY,HEAGAN,AND THE LIST GOES ON MANY IRAQIS MEN FROM NEPAL FROM THE PHILLIPENS AND JAPAN AND HOW MANY IN OUR LANDS??

Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”

AGAIN THIS IS WHAT THEY TEACH THEIR CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD!!

Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’

YES THEY WILL NOT LET THEM BE FREE??

Qur’an 48:27 “If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.”

Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

THIS MEANS WE CAN GIVE NO QUATER??

Qur’an 5:37 “The [Christian] disbelievers will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out there from; and theirs will be an enduring torture.”

EXPLAINS ITS SELF

Tabari IX:6 “The chief sheep tender sent out spies to obtain intelligence. But they came back with their joints dislocated. When he asked what had happened, they said, ‘We saw white men on black horses. Before we could resist, we were struck as you see us now.”

THIS IS CAIR AND THE HUMAN RIGHTS THAT HAS BEEN SWADED BY THE MONEY OF TERRORIST??

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

SO TO THEM THE BOMBERS ARE DOING THIS
THIEVERY & SLAVERY:

Qur’an 8:1 “They ask you about the benefits of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.’”

Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

SO THEIR BOOK SAYS ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO SLAUTER THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THEIR LAND

Tabari VII:64/Ishaq:307 “The Messenger of Allah gave orders concerning the contents of the camp which the people had collected, and it was all brought together. Among the Muslims, however, there was a difference of opinion concerning it. Those who had collected it said, ‘It is ours. Muhammad promised every man that he could keep the booty he took.’ Those who were fighting said, ‘If it had not been for us, you would not have taken it. We distracted the enemy from you so that you could take what you took.’ Those who were guarding the Prophet for fear the enemy would attack him said, ‘By Allah, you have no better right to it than we have. We wanted to kill the enemy when Allah gave us the opportunity and made them turn their backs, and we wanted to take property when there was no one to protect it; but we were afraid that the Meccans might attack the Prophet. We protected him so you have no better right to it than we have.’ When we quarreled about the booty we became very bad tempered. So Allah removed it from us and handed it over to His Messenger.”

SO HE WAS JUST GREEDY

Ishaq:307 “The ‘Spoils of War’ Surah came down from Allah to His Prophet concerning the distribution of the booty when the Muslims showed their evil nature. Allah took it out of their hands and gave it to the Apostle.”

SO MO-HAM-OD THOUGHT MULSUMS NOT AS TRUE FOLLOWERS??

Qur’an 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”

Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”

THIS IS WHAT THE MONSTERS ARE TEACHING THEIR CHILDREN

Qur’an 9:3 “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Pilgrimage is that Allah and His Messenger dissolve treaty obligations with the Pagans.”

WHO ARE THE PAGANS??

Qur’an 9:12 “If they violate their oaths and break treaties, taunting you for your Religion, then fight these specimens of faithlessness.”

AGAIN WHO ARE THE DISBELIEVERS??

Ishaq:454 “Now that Allah has conferred Islam on us, and made us famous, shall we give them our property? By Allah, we will offer them only the sword until Allah judges between us.’ ‘As you wish,’ said Allah’s Messenger.”

THEY DEFy THEIR gods JUDGEMENT LOOK AT THE 67 WAR IN ISRAEL, ISRAEL DEFEATED 5 ARAB COUNTRIES AND LOOK AT IRAQ THE COLIATION [USA AND FRIENDS] HAS DEFETEDED saddan[yellow coward found in a hole don't shoot I’m a coward] LOOK AT WHO WAS DEFEATED IN AFHGAN ubl[yellow coward who runs away]
they defy their own book so they are to be cursed and their children children’s as well!!
Let’s not forget the pelage in Africa of Locus that is eating the land they killed Christians for??
WHEN I READ THIS IT LOOKS LIKE THAT GOD HAS CHOSEN THE WINNER AND IT AINT ISLAMIC TERRORIST OR THOSE WHO FLLOW THEM!!!

Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.”

THIS IS THEIR PROFET??

.” Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but...] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”

WE CAN NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN IN THE USA BECAUSE WE HAVE FREEDOM!!!

YES FREEDOM TO BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE OR TO CHANGE TO ANY WE WANT THIS IS WHAT FREDOM IS ALL ABOUT!!

What Cair is doing is trying to stop Freedom they are just Bullies!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at November 9, 2005 6:57 PM

The Globe and Mail dot com has a poll worth taking . . .
In your opinion, are Western values fundamentally at odds with those of Islam?

Look for the little gray box on the right hand side marked "Globe poll"

All day, this poll has run with a near 2 to 1 lead indicating that Islam does a bang up job with it's own public relations. Is CAIR going to
harass them about that too?

Posted by: miira at November 9, 2005 6:58 PM

yesterday I said "Islam is the NAZISM of our generation"
Today I was quoted by CAIR!!
YEEEEEE-HAAAAAA!!! I consider it a badge of honor to be a documented enemy of a fascist/terrorist organization.
HEY CAIR, how about this one.......
any bearded muslim who boards a plane should be STRIP SEARCHED.Any bearded muslim who drives through a tunnel should be STRIP SEARCHED.
In the event of a " dirty bomb" attack on a western city, we should H BOMB MECCA AND MEDINA, preferably during the hate fest that ya'll call Hajj.
But wait, there's more....
America and Israel (probably the two greatest nations on Earth) should IMMEADETLY lauch airstrikes on Iran's nuclear reactor.
and, YOU TREAT SLAVES BETTER THAN YOU TREAT YOUR WOMEN.
and, Islam threatens the libral democracies of Europe.
I could keep going, but I'll stop here. Again, I have never been prouder!!!!

Posted by: templar at November 9, 2005 6:59 PM

'B.C.' cartoon seen as slur of Islam
Muslims allege veteran artist Hart made cryptic attack

Posted: November 22, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

The Council on American-Islamic Relations once again is demanding an apology for an alleged slur of Muslims, this time asserting a veteran cartoonist has cryptically defamed Islam.

The Washington, D.C.-based group sent out a dispatch to its e-mail list after a "B.C." cartoon last week by Johnny Hart was publicly questioned on a Washington Post Web chat page.

The cartoon shows a caveman entering an outhouse at night, and then saying, from inside, "Is it just me, or does it stink in here?"

The Post reader said the cartoon only made sense metaphorically, noting the strip contained a total of six crescent moons, and wondered if it might be a cryptic slur on Muslims.

Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR's spokesman, is sure it's a defamation of Islam.

"I think the reason there might not have been initial complaints is that it's so cryptic," he told the Post. "If you know who the cartoonist is, what he's done in the past, then it becomes clear. Otherwise, it's just an unfunny joke."

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35763

Posted by: otterfisher at November 9, 2005 7:00 PM

Why do trolls like 'Ryan' or 'King Tolerance' always deny that they are Islamic Da'wa obfuscators, 'protectors of the ummah?'

What a phony:

"...I'm not a muslim. I'm just defending hardowrking average muslim-americans who are being imperiled by this website..."

Mohammedans need to be 'defended?'
Looks like it! You concerned about 'backlash?'

Like the Mohammedan 'children' in France, who are so 'angry' that they have to torch 6000 cars and slash, stab, shoot and burn the people of their host country? Where is the 'backlash...?'

Some 'defender' you are, you miserable creep!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 9, 2005 7:02 PM

Ryan - would you also have objected to a website on which American blacks, circa 1950, expressed a desire to see the KKK some day relegated to the dustbin of history?

I have never seen anyone on this site call for the killing of any human being. 'Death to Islam' refers to the desire to see the ideology of Islam relegated to the dustbin of history. That will happen when Islam is discredited and seen for the hateful, divisive and violence promoting, Arab supremacist, imperialistic ideology that it is. Tomorrow there could be 1 billion fewer Muslims and not ONE single less human being on the planet. That is a fact. If Islam has truth on its side, then CAIR has nothing to fear whatsoever in vigorous debate about Islam. Christianity has survived hundreds of years of vigorous debate in the west and is still thriving.

On that note, I again invite visiting Muslims (thanks to CAIR's free publicity) to take Ali Sina's challenge at his internationally acclaimed website, faithfreedom.org.

Mr. Sina, an Iranian Muslim apostate, is offering $50,000 dollars to anyone who can prove his charges about Muhammad wrong.

I Challenge Muslims

"The challenge is:

Disprove my accusations against Muhammad.

I accuse Muhammad of being:

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a ruthless torturer
a terrorist (I have been made victorious through terror)
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a thief and plunderer
a cult leader
a mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies)."

Posted by: Caroline at November 9, 2005 7:05 PM

Carolyn2, I put up the photos of J. Chirac you put me on to. I could hardly believe my lying eyes, but hey, the truth will out. Thanks. I'm going to be very popular today thanks to you. Maybe the nurse will bring me pudding. If I'm not too dangerous.

Ryan, don't you dare insult my shoes!

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 9, 2005 7:06 PM

Seems to me that CAIR's statement borders on slander and defamation of character.

This statement could impact the future earnings of Mr Spencer, his airs and assigns.

Furthermore, since this is not the first time defaming statements have been made, punitive damages are in order.

To test this in court would require reading both the Koran and Hadith in court as well as reading Mr Spencers books in court.

Hmm....

Posted by: a10billr at November 9, 2005 7:07 PM

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 9, 2005 7:07 PM

CAIR Head Refuses to Denounce Terrorists

Author: Rachel Neuwirth
Publication: ChronWatch
Date: August 20, 2003

"In late July, I contacted Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman and director of communication at the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). When he returned my call, he presented his point of view about the Arab-Israeli conflict and militant Islam. When I reminded him about CAIR's record of openly supporting Hamas, Hizbullah, and other organizations deemed by the government to be terrorists, he replied by telling me that "CAIR does not support these groups publicly." But Hooper must have realized that he had said too much: he lost his composure and I suddenly found myself listening to a dial tone!

To make sure that I had not misunderstood him, I called him back. His response? ''Call me tomorrow morning.'' Then he hung up the phone again.

Instead of calling Mr. Hooper the next day, however, I sent him an e- mail and told him that his comment kept haunting me and that I believe I was owed an explanation. In my quest to comprehend CAIR's position regarding the Middle East peace process, I posed the following six questions, hoping for a clear response:

1. Does CAIR accept the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state in its historic, biblical homeland, whose ''final'' borders should be negotiated between the state of Israel and representatives of Palestinian Arabs who have renounced violence?

2. Does CAIR condemn Hezbullah as a terrorist organization?

3. Does CAIR deem Hamas, Islamic Jihad Tanzim, Al-Aqsa Brigades, Fatah, and other such groups as terrorist organizations, without making a distinction between their political and military wings?

4. Does CAIR unconditionally condemn suicide/homicide bombing?

5. Does CAIR condemn all violence against civilians?

6. Does CAIR agree that a final resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict can be achieved only through political negotiations, with no threat of a return to violence?

After a few days, there was still no response from Mr. Hooper; so I called him again to clarify what he meant about not publicly supporting terrorist groups and to get his reaction to my six questions. However, all he said was that he will have peace when I quit calling him!

This led me to research CAIR further.

CAIR was founded in 1994 by two former officials of the Islamic Association for Palestine, a group that former FBI counter terrorism chief Oliver Revell acknowledged was formed as a front for the Palestinian Arab terrorist group, Hamas. One of CAIR's official founders and its executive director, Nihad Awad, openly expressed support for Hamas, Hizbullah, and numerous other Arab/Islamic terrorist organizations.

Mr. Hooper has defended Saudi financial support of Palestinian suicide bombers. In spite of this, much of America's present political establishment embraces CAIR as a legitimate, mainstream, Muslim-American organization.

FBI Director Robert Mueller and other top FBI officials have met with CAIR, even though CAIR seems to be more opposed to the FBI's efforts to fight terrorism than to the terrorists themselves, as reported by Michael Waller in Insight magazine:

Taking a closer look at the facts, CAIR can be characterized only as an extremist group.

On June 26, Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ, chaired hearings on ''Terrorism: Growing Wahhabi Influence in the United States'' before the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology, and Homeland Security. According to the testimony of Stephen Schwartz. director of the Islam and Democracy Program at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, CAIR is financed by and maintains open and close relations with the Saudi government whose goal, we now know, is to spread the autocratic Wahhabi brand of Islam which aims to rule the world. CAIR has claimed that some 70 percent of American Muslims want the Wahhabi teaching in their mosques:

CAIR also claims to be a (Muslim) civil liberties organization. As CAIR's spokesman should Mr. Hooper not, then, offer an explanation as to why militant Islamists appear to be indifferent to the civil liberties of non-Muslims? If Mr. Hooper is the communication director of CAIR, why is he so unwilling to communicate what he meant when he said that, publicly, CAIR does not support terrorist groups?

If CAIR truly stands for equality, freedom, tolerance, and democracy for everyone, it should be calling for the dismantling of terrorist groups. But never have I heard any CAIR spokesperson denounce terrorism except in a twisted, elusive manner that seeks to blame those who speak out against the terrorists' militant brand of Islam.

As an American, Mr. Hooper should make the elimination of hate and incitement his objective. It is apparent, from our interaction, that Mr. Hooper may not really believe in the American system. This was indicated by his infamous statement in a 1993 interview with the Minneapolis Star Tribune in which he declared, "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future."

Hopefully, Mr. Hooper will take a few minutes out of his busy schedule to respond to my very simple questions and explain his comment that CAIR doesn't support terrorist groups "publicly." Surely my questions are not that difficult to answer -- unless, of course, CAIR actually supports terrorist organizations and/or is supported by them and simply doesn't want the public to know it.

(Rachel Neuwirth is a freelance writer who lives in Los Angeles) "
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0803/182.html

Posted by: otterfisher at November 9, 2005 7:13 PM

"Meanwhile, I just searched in vain on their website, where their first attack on me is now featured, for any condemnation of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's genocidal call for the destruction of Israel..."

That's because the CAIRheads are only averse to Islamophobia, not Judeophobia.

Posted by: scaramouoche at November 9, 2005 7:17 PM

well, thank you, La CAIRracaille, for the impetus to learn more about your wonderful 'human rights organization'..

Posted by: otterfisher at November 9, 2005 7:18 PM

Robert,

How about all this free legal advice you're getting?

Perhaps things don't always happen by chance. I'm sure there are many lawyers out there that would love to take CAIR's money out of the hands of Hamas and use it to fund freedom-supporting websites like JW.

CAIR would not hesitate to sue you, that's for sure.

Posted by: XRDC at November 9, 2005 7:18 PM

Robert, get a good Jewish lawyer and sue the hell out of them.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at November 9, 2005 7:27 PM

It amazes me that CAIR does not want to fight against terrorism or the injustices done to non-muslims by muslims or Islamic states, but instead wants to hush up the truth about the shortcomings of its faith.

Mr. Spencer, I have purchased your books, given them as presents to friends and former professors whom I studied with and no one as of yet has anything bad to say about your writings except that "Gorkhali why didn't you tell em about these books/website before?"

My answer is usually: "You weren't willing to listen a year ago."

It also amazes me that knowing full well that everyone who comes to this site is from various backgrounds and faiths, whether it be Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Bhuddist, Zorastrian and others, makes me wonder if any individual could possibly label this site as a hate site without firat pondering the question "Why do all these different groups have a problem with Islamic Fantacism if Islam is a religion of Peace?"

The answer is quite simple if you just open your eyes. CAIR should be dealing with its Fanatics and creating a better image for Islam instead of trying to stop the truth from being presented on this site. Perhaps if they were willing to deal with the hateful nature of many Jihadists then perhaps there would not be any reason for criticism, but then again the truth hurts, and thats why they feel the pain when they have to face what they are responsible for as a people for the injustices and atrocities they have committed against others.

Hats off to you Mr. Spencer.

-Ayo Gorkhali

Posted by: Gorkhali at November 9, 2005 7:36 PM

Is Mr. Spencer denying that the "death to islam" posts were being posted on his website? When I tried to get them removed, I was attacked and told by other that "death to islam" should not be removed and that it was good. Who is the leader of this tribe? Yes, Mr. Spencer himself. Mr. Spencer has not condemned the "death to islam" comments one single time. The posts were not even removed until there was a complaint by CAIR.

Posted by: Ryan

Poor Ryan... He seems to think that just because C.A.I.R. yells 'foul' that comments will be removed from this site at C.A.I.R.'s behest? CAIR has been successful in dhimmitizing many American companies, but I think in the blogosphere you will lose. Be CAIRful who you play with, "Ryan"... the infidels are on to the islamic agenda, CAIR's leaders' histories and their association to jihadist groups throughout the world. And the 'infidels' are spreading the word. Mr. Spencer may shut down comments here, but regardless, there are millions of other sites that expose islam for what it is. Deal. With. It. Does it make you cringe that Mr. Spencer's latest masterpiece spent countless weeks on the Bestseller List? I'm sure it does.

Posted by: SexyKafira1 at November 9, 2005 7:38 PM

"Robert, get a good Jewish lawyer and sue the hell out of them."

Stanley Cohen, maybe?

Posted by: MJ at November 9, 2005 7:42 PM

Congratulations, Robert! Congratulations for spreading the word of truth about the 'religion of peace', for enlightening curious readers as to what's truly going on beneath the clever disguise, and for gaining the attention of CAIR. Though I personally wouldn't want such a diabolical organization noticing anything I do, you're armed with facts and can quote their own holy book which is the 'immutable word of God' and, therefore, use their own beliefs against them as they use our freedoms against us.

Robert's got the truth on his side and I, for one, would love to see a serious debate between Robert and CAIR. If Islam is truly a religion of peace, the big-wigs at CAIR should have no problem confronting the supposed bigotry towards their religion -isn't that what they're supposed to be doing? They're the Council on American-Islamic Relations ...isn't this a good chance to council?? Let them use Robert's own words and they'll find that they're the ones on the hot seat. Let them explain their own website's words about Islam in America to become dominant. Let them explain their own association's members who are connected to terrorist organizations. They've got plenty to explain, themselves. I'd like to hear what they have to say about it all.

Also, congratulations go out to all of the posters on this site who add links, share information, and engage in serious discussion about the Jihad ideology, but we must always remember that we're guests of Robert's here. I often see posts which make me cringe as the debates can get somewhat heated between posters, but it's those kinds of postings which get pulled out by CAIR and used in their smear campaign against Robert and his cause. By being cordial and polite, we'll get our points across better than throwing names around.

On the other hand, some of it is really very funny and humor is needed with such a topic. Humor may not be in Islam, but it's in human nature and is appreciated by most.

Anyway, my point is this: CAIR is watching. Be on guard. This latest press release confirms any doubts that anyone may have had before. They're watching and taking the worst of what we put out there and trying to jam it into Robert's mouth. We can't let that happen.

Posted by: illustr8rg8r at November 9, 2005 7:43 PM

And since the defaming article is anonymous, sue Dr. Parvez Ahmed(CAIR Chairman)personally since he is responsible for the content of the CAIR website.

The David Project might also be interested as might Mr Whitehead.

Posted by: a10billr at November 9, 2005 7:44 PM

You know, sort of a coalition of the righteous.

Posted by: a10billr at November 9, 2005 7:46 PM

I posted this yesterday. The State Department is busy promoting CAIR:

---------------------------------------- ------
From the link:
http://usinfo.state.gov/mena/Archive/2005/Oct/12-579520.html

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said this year’s Ramadan has become a month of charity and giving more than ever before because of natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrina and the massive earthquake in Pakistan and parts of India and Afghanistan.

“The benefits of Ramadan are being better understood because those who are fasting can appreciate the suffering of the victims of these natural disasters, many of whom are hungry and without shelter,” Hooper said.

In the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, American Muslims are also eager to explain Islam to other Americans and the holy month of Ramadan offers many opportunities to share.

CAIR, the largest Islamic civil liberties and advocacy group in the United States, is conducting a nationwide “Sharing Ramadan” outreach effort to invite non-Muslims to learn more about the values of Islam.

CAIR is also sponsoring a campaign called “Explore the Quran” by distributing free Qurans to non-Muslims who want to understand Islam better. Those who request a Quran receive a hardcover book with an English translation next to the Arabic on each page.

Posted by: MJ at November 9, 2005 7:53 PM

From the press release:

"The Washington-based council said the growing level of Islamophobic rhetoric in American society prompts some individuals to turn their hate-filled views into violent actions."

What violent actions? What violent actions have been perpetrated by "Islamophobes" today? On the contrary, Muslims just killed dozens and maimed many more in Jordan today. The whole world has watched for 2 weeks as Muslim "youths" rampaged throughout France, burning down everything in site. Australia just thwarted a massive terrorist attack perpretated by, you guessed it, Muslims! What the hell is CAIR even talking about here?

"Comments and articles on Spencer's site, which is used as reference by a number of Islamophobic commentators, compare Muslims to animals..."

Who is CAIR kidding here? They think most westerners aren't familiar with the frequent comparison of Jews to animals? And aren't familiar with the violent assaults against not only Israeli's but also against jews in Europe?

"portray Islam as an inherently violent faith that must be confronted."

Well hell yes Islam must be confronted! Surely CAIR cannot have objections to infidels noticing a worldwide pattern of Muslim violence and aggression against infidels and sounding the alarm to the infidels to sit up and take notice of this worldwide pattern. That seems eminently sensible to me! Yes. By all means Islam should be confronted. Posters at this website are confronting Islam NONVIOLENTLY. With WORDS! What objections could CAIR possibly have to that? They obviously have more objection to nonviolent verbal confrontation than they have to the worldwide use of ACTUAL physical violence by, you guessed it - Muslims!

The fact that CAIR is even trying to peddle this bizarre Orwellian logic - whereby it attacks as violent, people who actually OBJECT to the violence being perpetrated by Muslims globally EVERY SINGLE day - is outrageous.

Who do you people think you are anyway? Obviously you've always gotten away with this sort of thing - thuggish tactics of intimidation - in the societies you've traditionally come from. Societies in which you could simply KILL everyone who disagreed with you and challenged your supremacist and imperialistic notions. Following in the footsteps of your founder and prophet obviously, who simply ASSASSINATED everyone who had any objections to his self-serving fairy tales (how very convenient - Muhammad JUST at this very minute had a REVELATION from GOD himself. Oh and don't anyone bother to notice that this little revelation is always conveniently in HIS self-interest!)

Sorry, CAIR, but you're in the West now. We westerners don't assassinate people who are not convinced of the validity of our ideas. Your attempts to silence people through litigation are just another form of assassination. You're still just thugs with a very thin veneer of civilization overlaid.

Posted by: Caroline at November 9, 2005 7:55 PM

A spokesman for CAIR couldn't confirm if there will be a "Sharing Sharia Law" outreach effort in 2006.

Posted by: disillusioned_german at November 9, 2005 7:59 PM

cair, the muslim brotherhood,
sami, the muslim brotherhood,
icb, the muslim brotherhood,
tariq, the muslim brotherhood,
mcb, the muslim brotherhood,
and so on and so on.
Look at this pattern
What is it,
what does it mean to us
and is it any good?

The mb makes the moves.
These young urban jihadis
are convinced they are pawns in allah's game,
and if they get killed they're taught
they will go straight to heaven,
drink wine and have sex
with voluptuous virgins,
be served by pearl-like boys.
If you die for allah you have fame,
bring honor and reward to your family name.
And, don't forget, the eternal night on the town.

cair is the political body of islam,
fighting jihad on the legal field,
attacking the Constitution always,
rentlessly attacking the Constitution.
For it is either our laws or theirs,
both cannot co-exist.

Wake up france before your beauty
is broken and blasted to bits,
wake up before you lose your wits
to the barbarian in your castle,
stand up for liberty, and fight,
it is the only way to be free.

Posted by: the poetess at November 9, 2005 8:01 PM

I think we should be honored and PROUD that the great big gigantic organization that seeks the destruction of the west (a/k/a CAIR and its cohort the ACLU) has its minions reading this site. Point them to LGF as well. And FFI. WND. ROPMA. TROP.

Perhaps once these minions read and understand, they will see that thousands upon thousands of people, from throughout the World, are on to the threat of militant islam.. We no longer rely on the puppets of the MSM for our information. We're not PC. We don't need to be. We rely on the internet and the blogosphere for news. Thank Al Gore for inventing the internet! heh.

Message to islamist extremists... you are tarnishing your own image, all by yourselves. Don't blame us 'stupid, inferior infidels' for figuring out the Truth. Your actions point us to search, research and draw our opinions about the so-called 'religion' of peace. Deal. With. It.

I think they hate educated infidels. LOL

Posted by: SexyKafira1 at November 9, 2005 8:03 PM

Anti-CAIRs' View:
From Issue 019/03 August 13, 2003

In the short time ACAIR has been around, we recognize that we have only begun to scratch the surface in finding out the truth about the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). We’ve learned that CAIR hates America and every decent thing that Americans stand for.

CAIR uses our Constitution as a shield to attack our government, police, and military forces. CAIR has no respect for American values or traditions…how else to explain Mr. Nihad Awads’ (Executive Director, CAIR) statement: I am in support of the Hamas movement? How else to excuse acts of terrorism as “misunderstandings of both sides” ?

At the birth of our country, Americans fought from Lexington to Concord, on through victory at Yorktown…In 1812, we fought a second war that further defended our sovereignty. From 1861 to 1865 our fledgling nation was torn apart as brother fought brother in the Civil War… In the 20th century, we fought two World Wars and two wars in Asia.

Our point? Americans have always stood ready to defend themselves when under attack from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Many is the time when Americans have been called upon to defend the defenseless and we’ve always stepped up, stood tall and done our duty.

We now find ourselves fighting a new enemy. An enemy that mocks us as they hide behind our Constitution; an enemy, entrenched and protected by a phalanx of attorneys and sycophants, ready to pounce at the first sign of our weakness; an enemy that demands that the police power of the state defend their “rights”, but would deny these same rights to other Americans; an enemy that accepts funding and support from foreign countries that support terrorists - who come to our shores to seek out and murder us; an enemy who demands nothing less than the destruction of the very Constitution that they hide behind.

We now live with the Council on American Islamic Relations, a suspected front group for the Hamas terrorist organization. We live with the America-bashing of Mr. Ibrahim Hooper and his fellow bigots who hide behind the peaceful religion of Islam and spread their propaganda. We listen to Islamist cowards demand respect for their brand of Wahhabi Islam in the United States.

We don’t listen to the ranting of Osama Bin Laden, why must we listen to the provocative, insulting statements of Mr. Nihad Awad? “I support Hamas!”, ... indeed you do, Mr. Awad and "thank you" for reminding us.

Americans, being the most tolerant people on Earth, accept concepts and notions that other nations wouldn’t even consider. Let us ask ourselves. “Would a Muslim country accept a religious non-Islamic group in their country?” Will the day ever come when Saudi Arabia welcomes the Catholic Church to Mecca? Will we ever see a synagogue in Medina?

And yet, we allow the Saudis, through their bought and paid for terrorist supporters at CAIR, open numerous branches in America to “protect” the civil rights of Muslims in America.

Let there be no doubt that CAIR is a terrorist supporting front organization
that is partially funded by terrorists, and that CAIR wishes nothing more than
the implementation of Sharia law in America.

In all of our wars, we have never knowingly allowed enemy front groups to operate in our country. Our President, the leader of our government, the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, has repeatedly told us we are at war with terrorism; let’s take him at his word and demand that Islamist terror front groups in America be shut down…starting with CAIR.

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/ACAIRsView

Posted by: otterfisher at November 9, 2005 8:04 PM

Robert,
I'm with XRDC. There are countless brilliant attorneys who'd love to take on CAIR pro bono. Trust me. We are not all dead or dhimmified yet, nor will we ever be, and the facts are on our side.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at November 9, 2005 8:08 PM

ATTENTION: Lest we forget!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

And neither shall CAIR!

Posted by: Eschwapp at November 9, 2005 8:17 PM

TEMPLAR. Disgraceful comments.

Posted by: SexyKafira1 at November 9, 2005 8:21 PM

Mr. Spencer, You shine light on their world of darkness. They will always hate you and us for that. Never in all the world has there been hatred such as theirs. Keep up the great work.

Posted by: fox1 at November 9, 2005 8:32 PM

So, the blasts in Jordan are a result of French discrimination, right?

Posted by: Mentat at November 9, 2005 8:35 PM

Submitted by KSTP Employee, May 10, 2005 at 18:42

Ibrahim Hooper worked as a news producer in the late 80s and early 90s at KSTP-TV, the ABC affiliate in Minneapolis. At the time, he went by the name Doug Hooper. He is a convert to Islam.

I'm a licensed PI. Using various spellings, locations, etc., There is NOTHING else I can find with the name Ibrahim Hooper; various spellings included. WHO THE HELL IS IBRAHIM HOOPER?

Posted by: SexyKafira1 at November 9, 2005 9:20 PM

Islamic terrorist still burning France??

HOW SAD???

2 guys caught trying to bring hand held missles into the country of the USA??

Wonder if they were mulsum??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at November 9, 2005 9:32 PM

To Ryan,
I can assure you that most people on this site DO NOT want any harm to come to innocent, hard working muslims.
HOWEVER.....The trend towards AUTOMATICALLY DIS-ASSOCIATING Islam from terror is something that reasonable patriots absolutely cannot tolerate. The correlation between Islam and terror is UNDENIABLE; The message of JW and Mr Spencer is that Islam and terror and NOT merely correlated, but that Islam CAUSES terrorism.In the past, I did not buy that argument. Now, I have no doubt that it is true. Even avowed liberal like Christopher Hitchens see the world differently after 9/11.and 7/11, and Madrid, and today in Jordan and.....

Posted by: templar at November 9, 2005 9:34 PM

Ibrahim Hooper is the "National Communications Director for CAIR". Think of him as a modern day counterpart to Joseph Goebbels. His contact info is listed at the bottom of the article in the link below:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/30/164.html

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at November 9, 2005 9:37 PM

If you act like a savage animal you're a savage animal.

Posted by: uradumone at November 9, 2005 9:38 PM

Catherine - I'm sure if you ask apologists like Ryan or CNN you will find that they were Sunday School Teachers from your local Baptist Church. Just a few extremists it seems.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at November 9, 2005 9:49 PM

Uradumone,

If you act like a savage but President Bush and Prince Charles say you belong to a religion of peace, then you come out smelling like a rose. But you and I have sensitive noses.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 9, 2005 9:53 PM

"These commies see Islamic lumpen proletariat (and welfare bums) dragging down the West instead of their much vaunted worker's revolution"

How about we coin a new word for the rioters: Lumpenmujahideen

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at November 9, 2005 9:53 PM

Sunday School Teachers from your local Baptist Church. Just a few extremists it seems.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at November 9, 2005 09:49 PM

That would be nice but Somehow I dought it??

Wonder what CAIR says about these nice mulsums burning France Haven't heard a peep??

http://media.putfile.com/French-riots

This shows it is pretty clear??

Posted by: Catherine at November 9, 2005 10:14 PM

Remain in light Robert, you are already in the light. You should never doubt yourself. You are on the right path. Thanks for the light that you shine on the dark subject of Islam. What good can come from a religion that demands it's adherents to emulate the life of Muhammad? That's the crux of the problem.

The life of Muhammad is a life no civilized person would want to emulate

Posted by: dennisw at November 9, 2005 10:21 PM

Well, but the 'enlightened', 'moderate' French Muslims have tried to emulate precisely that life, the life of incessant fighting and attacks against the infidels, during the riots :-) They surely consider themselves civilized, while the infidels are undoubtedly 'immoral'.

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dolphin, CAGE co-founder.
http://www.acage.org

Posted by: dolphin at November 9, 2005 10:29 PM

I read your comment dolphin. Thanks! Good website/

Posted by: dennisw at November 9, 2005 10:34 PM

Hell yeah, Spencer: SUE THEIR ASSES OFF.

If you piss off nuts like CAIR, you must be doing something right.

Carolyn, that "Religion of Peace" website was pretty good, only a little liberal bashing, but the Michigan thing sucked.

I liked the end of the "religion of peace" link site where she asked Dumbya to prove to the American people that he didn't lie to the American people to start a war that wasn't necessary... I just hope that she's not holding her breath waiting for that one.

Hooper lies for Saudi? Maybe he could get a job WITH the Bush administration.

Posted by: kj at November 9, 2005 10:35 PM

And Ali Sina's 50,000-dollar challenge? I LIKE that. Nothing like making people put their money where their mouth is. I don't suppose anyone's taken him up on his offer, of course, why would they, when the tyrants of Saudi Arabia will pay $50k to anyone that spreads the lie that Mohamed was the perfect man.

Posted by: kj at November 9, 2005 10:38 PM

Lumpen mujahideen?
How about the lumpen Jihadists who are burning up France? What's really funny is the Muslims name their boys Jihad sometimes. How about Abdullah (Allah's slave) for first name?

When I was young our Pakistani neighbors had a son named Shahid. Which means Muslim holy warrior. A man who wants to kill/conquer/dominate the non-Muslims.

Posted by: dennisw at November 9, 2005 10:42 PM

kj says,

"...when the tyrants of Saudi Arabia will pay $50k to anyone that spreads the lie that Mohamed was the perfect man."

See here.

Our Saudi friends
November 3rd, 2005

There was little fanfare from the main stream media when Saudi Arabia was finally given the nod by major trading nations to join the World Trade Organization (WTO). The 12 year-long negotiations were stymied partly by internal Saudi religious elements that feared a breakdown of restrictions regarding imports forbidden by Islam, mainly pork and alcohol, and by concerns from the United States about Saudi Arabia’s economic viability to join the elite club.

Saudi Arabia’s economic viability is a given, for certainly the world will need its oil for decades to come. It is also highly improbable that the Kingdom will ever allow foreign imports of pork and alcohol into the rigid Islamic state. So everyone should be happy, especially the Saudis for

“it is expected to boost foreign investment, providing funds for diversification of the largely oil-based economy, and bring new export opportunities for Saudi firms, especially in the petrochemical industry.”

At this point one must ask what other export opportunities do Saudi Arabia possess besides those derived from their petroleum industry?

The Unchecked Export

Another bit of news that went largely unnoticed is the developing situation in the southern Philippine island of Mindanao. For decades the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) has been trying to seize control of the island from the rest of the Philippines in order to create a separate state based on Islamic principles. The Philippine government and the terror group have been negotiating for several months. It appears the government of the Philippines has tentatively agreed

“to allow Muslims in the South to draft their own constitution, impose their own tax system, and to form and maintain legal and financial institutions.”

It has yet to be determined whether this move is mere political expediency being employed by the Philippine president Mrs. Arroyo to satisfy rebel demands for the time being or if her government has finally succumbed to the onslaught of relentless jihad. What is significant is just ten days after this provisional agreement between the Philippine government and MILF rebels was made was the announcement that the Saudi government would pledge $100 million for the troubled island.

According to the report,

“the money is part of a recent loan agreement between the two countries and would be sourced from the Saudi Fund for Development to the Philippines.”

But what does this “development” mean for the whole of the Philippines when Saudi Arabia pledged another $50 million

“to boost development projects in the five-province Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao?”

A curious development is the appearance of a radio show in the heart of the northern Philippine city of Baguio. The stated purpose of the “Islam Hour” is

“to bridge the gap between minority Muslim and majority non-Muslim Filipinos, and to make everyone know what Islam truly is and is not against the backdrop of terrorism, extremism and fundamentalism, to which Islam has been stereotyped in and out of this largely Christian nation.”

Is the startup date of October 4th for this new radio station just a coincidence? What is one to make of this statement by an enthusiastic fan?

“A friend from Saudi Arabia told me about it, and I followed it religiously,” Baling, a professional working in the Philippine capital Metro Manila, told IOL. “What I like about it is that I appreciate and better understand our beliefs,” he added.

The unchecked export of Islam is the other “opportunity” which Saudi Arabia possesses. The sheer magnitude of petroleum dollars set aside by the Saudi government will assure that this export will take root and supplant the indigenous cultures of developing nations like the Philippines.

An Air of Legitimacy

Saudi Arabia has in the past and continues to this day to provide food and shelter to groups which are considered terrorist organizations by Western governments. Jihad organizations will continue to be funded by Saudi Arabia and the goal has and always will be to make the world Islamic. The jihad will always remain necessary to soften up those who violently resist, and Saudi wealth will ensure in the aftermath that adherence to the message remains sound. But why engage in bloody jihad if the message can be conveyed and secured via pecuniary means?

The inclusion of Saudi Arabia into the WTO has provided that country with a certain “air of legitimacy” when spreading Islam to the rest of the world. It may not always be necessary for the Saudis to fund violent jihad activities when their goals can be secured by monetary mechanisms.

As our world continues to shrink because of emerging markets and competition for natural resources, it will necessarily follow that nations will cooperate or war with one another to get what is best for them. This collaboration or conflict will accordingly bring about an exchange of ideas, both politically and culturally. The Saudis know this and have chosen to impose their agenda through subversive means.

The duplicitous Saudi approach to international affairs seems to be accepted (for now) because world demand for oil is so great. Western governments exercise a pragmatic approach towards the Kingdom, allowing for their “slight transgressions” here and there. President Bush has gone so far to even certify Saudi Arabia as an “ally” on the war on terror.

Saudi intentions and Western pragmatism actually play into the hands of hard core Islamic terrorists who dream of the restoration of the Caliphate. If the relentless Saudi agenda is followed through to its logical end, this restoration will not be on a regional level, but one which is global in nature. It is not unreasonable to consider the possibility of an Islamic influence undermining the status quo of Western civilization, because it is already happening in Europe and to a lesser degree, Canada and the United States.

The hatred expressed by Islamic fundamentalists towards a Saudi regime that appears to be cooperating with the West has blinded these radicals to the fact that the Kingdom is actually troweling out the first layer on to which these Islamists can build their gloabl Shari’a regime’s foundation. For once Islam gets any semblance of a foothold, however moderate, the process of reverting back to historical Islam can be made that much easier by traditional Islamists.

Posted by: Eschwapp at November 9, 2005 11:02 PM

I'm sure I can't be the only one here, but I'd think those who kill dozens daily in the name of Islam are the greater threat to Islam than any one man, even one as influential as Mr. Spencer. Prior to 9/11, I really didn't care one way or another about Islam. Even for a few years after, I was willing to believe that Al-Queda and their ilk were a tiny minority of extremists. Maybe they were. But the fact is, now, they represent the mainstream of Islam, not the moderate who has no problem living alongside non-Muslims. As Mr. Spencer has pointed out, the so-called moderate Muslim's unwillingness and/or inability to reform their religion into something more than one that worships death (and truly, whatever it once was and whatever it may be, that's truly what mainstream Islam is; a religion cannot claim ten or more lives daily in premeditated brutal mass murders that often co-incide with the suicide of the murderer and legitimately claim to be otherwise) is damning.

Does the peaceful, rational Muslim exist? Certainly. But they exist at the fringes of their religion. CAIR would be wise to get its own house in order before trying to clean Mr. Spencer. If CAIR forcefully worked against Muslim terrorists and significantly reduced the effectiveness and number of their daily barbaric mass murders, Mr. Spencer would have little or nothing to complain about. As it is, CAIR's silence and half-measures are only proving him right.

Posted by: Gregg Allinson at November 9, 2005 11:44 PM

I'm sure the Islamic cheerleaders for Sharia and terrorism at CAIR are livid when they read the damning articles here about their vile ideology, the incessant articles about Islamic barbarism and heinous atrocities committed by savage muslim butchers. They would prefer that the homicidal muslims in the Phillipines, Bosnia, France, Holland, Jordan, Darfur, Saudi ARabia, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Bali, Indonesia, carry out their genocides, terrorism, and jihads without any publicity. The biggest threat to Islam is EXPOSURE, and Islam is being exposed. Only muslims are allowed to promulgate hate against their inferiors; we are obligated by unwritten fiat to respect their despicable death cult and meekly await our subjugation or execution by allah's holy warriors. The United STates Constitution may guarantee everyone the right to practice the religion of his choice, but I refuse to respect a predatory death cult and its agenda to destroy my country, government, and freedom. Islam should be regarded as a threat to peace and freedom and it should be illegal in all democratic nations. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

So C.A.I.R. is worried that our "words" will lead to violence against muslims?! What a f*&king joke that is! When was the last time a Christian or a Jew beheaded a muslim or burned down a mosque? WE ARE THE POTENTIAL VICTIMS, NOT MUSLIMS, and we damn well know it. Our COGNIZANCE is what the terrorist supporters at C.A.I.R. cannot abide.

C.A.I.R. will resort to anything to silence those who expose the truth about Islam. First they will issue their mendacious, deceptive, "press releases." Then they will sic their lawyers on the offenders, especially the more prominent ones who cannot risk having their reputations sullied by accusations of bigotry, racism, and the usual political poison darts. Most victims surrender rather quickly, afraid to risk their careers and reptuations in a lengthy, expensive legal battle with these tenacious, well-funded, muslim fiends.

The only hate that I see on this website is the hate that permeates Islam and muslims, and inspires muslims to behave like uncivilized, savage beasts. Ryan is so disturbed about someone writing, "death to Islam." The death of Islam would be a blessing from God. If Islam ceased to exist, its forces of darkness and evil would be