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Zarqawi has not won any hearts and minds in Amman. From CNN, with thanks to Kemaste:
AMMAN, Jordan (CNN) -- Three terror bombings that killed at least 56 people in Jordan's capital sparked furious protests against al Qaeda on Thursday after a Web site carried a claim that the group was behind the attacks.Jordanians flooded Amman blaring car horns and waving the nation's flag to protest the suicide attacks at three hotels with Western connections.
Hundreds of angry Jordanians rallied shouting, "Burn in hell, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi!" after the terrorist group he leads claimed responsibility for the blasts....
Protesters also rejected the idea that the explosions were carried out to protect Islam.
Groom al-Akhras said, "The world has to know that this has nothing to do with Islam."
Well, we always hear that. It would be easier to believe if people like Al-Akhras joined together in large numbers to eradicate the philosophy espoused by Zarqawi. Maybe this will help them do that.
Posted by Robert at November 10, 2005 4:39 PM
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I think everyone here knows that the problem is Islam. However, the political dynamics within Islam are complex. Popular opinion in Jordan is split for Zarqawi since most of the population is Palestinian - but Jordan is the Hashemite Kingdom with a true claim to the throne of Islam - NOT the Wahabi variety.
The "thinkers" in Islam (if there are any), need to be proactive and consider what happens if the whole world is Muslim. The Sunnis and Shiites still have to fight it out, the winner will have to either work with or fight with the Wahabis. Either way, it is constant war until the purest strain is achieved.
It really is a shame. God loves the Muslim and wants all people to turn from false teachings. It's just a shame that Islam makes conversion so difficult and dangerous.
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at November 10, 2005 4:55 PM
These bombings don't even make sense from any perspective. Zarqawi's people killed Jordanians, not Americans and Brits in the lobby.
What is the unique feature of all these perspectives of Islam? Random murder? The love of death on all sides as bin Laden says?
So many Iraqis have died, Jordanians, Palestinians. Pointless - all of it. Now the jihadis aren't just evil, they are doing pointless things. Why kill fellow Muslims? I think Islam is beyond evil, it is becoming (or always was) a form of organized madness.
Posted by: rafael699 at November 10, 2005 5:12 PM
This latest outburst from the Jordanians gives me no encouragement whatsoever. We only see Muslim express rage towards the terrorists when the metric of death kills more Muslims than non-Muslims, and this is only a sporadic response...
What a mind bending era we live in ... What a Strange Situation !
The Muslims, who usually are either tacitly supportive of terrorism in the name of Islam, active terrorists in the name of Islam, or complacent and silent abettors of terrorism in the name of Islam, when those selfsame Muslims begin to feel the uncomfortable pinch of terrorism in the name of Islam, the first things they utter is a blanket statement that Islam has nothing to do with Muslim terrorism...!
What are the weird psychological malformations that addle the Muslim brainpans? What is the nature of the neurotic complexes which haunt the hallways of their tormented and deformed psyches? What twisted delusions are percolating in the dessicated minds of these slavish Muslim thralls?
This appears to be a society so mentally ill, exhibiting mass psychosis, mass hysteria, mass delusions, mass delusions of persecution, mass delusions of omnipotence... The pathological sequela that they display are so numerous that I despair that anything short of a 1.3 billion bed psychiatric ward will do...
This "protest" in Amman signifies NOTHING...
Posted by: jsla at November 10, 2005 5:21 PM
RAFAEL669: "These bombings don't even make sense from any perspective. Zarqawi's people killed Jordanians, not Americans and Brits in the lobby."
The Hotels were American-owned...and Zarqawi got his name on the front page. That was worth the slaughter of 56 of his countrymen.
Posted by: Cornelius at November 10, 2005 5:32 PM
Perhaps publicity was enough of a reason. It seems some popularity for Zarqawi might have been lost.
I have seen arguments in psychological circles that Muslim young men (both rich and poor) have something Western men don't have - they are called to a divine purpose of adventure and war. The excitement and adventure they indulge is attractive to young men - and more fun than the feminized and shackled lives that most Western men live. For the young Muslim the battle is joined!! For the Western Christian or secular man; well....he can get a job and support the PC government that will sell him out for oil.
Posted by: rafael699 at November 10, 2005 5:38 PM
Very interesting analysis of these bombings in Jordan at the Gates of Vienna
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
Posted by: a10billr at November 10, 2005 5:46 PM
"...Well, we always hear that. It would be easier to believe if people like Al-Akhras joined together in large numbers to eradicate the philosophy espoused by Zarqawi. Maybe this will help them do that."
Still, Robert, one must not forget, that this is the reponse of a nation of muslims that watched shows during Ramadan that purported that jews cut the throats of Chistians for the blood for their passover matza. What evil drivel. And unopposed by their government.
Remember- this evil, which they excuse, has gone on through modern times, without letup there, without any worldwide marches condemning the utter falsehoods, the utter savagery of the attack upon the Torah, and Jews.
That relgion is the one that fobids the use of blood in food, but which Muslims crave in war and death, and most certainly in history and deed- and then created a pagan lie, about the infidels using this.
So, we should not be surprised at their pagan babarity, and blood lust, for the death of of muslims, by muslims- that is their religion- and for Al-Akras to purport that killing other muslims is not Islam, is nonsense.
Just look at what is purported for all others- submission- and that is why, it can't be eradicated from mainline Islam- the impure must die- for them, and they kill end up themselves in endless bloodbaths.
at November 10, 2005 5:47 PM
I wrote a poem about the bombing that some of you may enjoy. Some of you may not. It can be seen online here:
Posted by: Troy Dunn at November 10, 2005 6:02 PM
Zarqawi has already issued statements justifying the killing of Muslim civilians. He offers no apologies and wants no interference from "arm chair" Mullahs who aren't down in the trenches where he is.This is a particularly barbaric attack in that a wedding party was targeted. Both the father of the bride and the father of the groom were killed while the bride and groom were both injured.Clearly nothing is sacred and anything goes in Islam. I'm happy to see that there were protests in Jordan one has to wonder how much longer it will be before the world has had enough.
Posted by: Roxane at November 10, 2005 6:16 PM
When Zarqawi sees that this bombing has a negative spin against him, he will spin back.
He will claim the internet posting, claiming responsibility did not come from him, that his group did not do it, and that those responsible are the zionist and americans.
That will be tomorrows headlines.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at November 10, 2005 6:29 PM
I was hoping that the aftermath of this bombing would change attitudes in Jordan and France. Sadly, both nations still are making excuses; de Villepin and Queen Noor made excuses and discussed issues that were mere distractions.
It's getting to the point where rational people might give up hope. It's horrible to watch so many confused and programmed human beings worship a cult of death and shrug as random murder happens daily.
Posted by: rafael699 at November 10, 2005 6:42 PM
No doubt they will spin this and blame it on the Jews. Yeah, that's it. It wasn't al queda, it was the Jews. Yeah, the Jews.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at November 10, 2005 7:03 PM
Just wait a minute, it seems to me like there is public outrage. This is what Muslim's need, a voice, a chance to set things staight, and not oppression. Be'est tho oppression comes from their own society and not world society. Yet they feel oppression in world society's. It is a fundamental flaw of fear of change. Middle eastern societies are not free to speak out. They get a chance in France and wig out, and totally demolish what is their own, such is riots of former slaves in philly?
at November 10, 2005 7:12 PM
Had, say, 40 or 50 of the dead been Westerners, there would be no fury, no demonstrations -- except insofar as there might be worries over a drop in tourism. The fury here is the same as that expressed in Saudi Arabia: outrage that Muslims should be the victims, when non-Muslims are all over the place, and are the appropriate target. Listen closely and you will not hear a condemntation of terrorism in general, either in Jordan, or Saudi Arabia, or in any other Musilm country, but rather the indignation that Muslims should kill Muslims. Simply intolerable.
Posted by: Hugh at November 10, 2005 7:24 PM
Just like when in New York young muslim's stomped on an American flag in the streets of New York, and sang Alla u Akbar, and onlookers did nothing. While the defamers of the flag relished in the fact that they could do so, because of American so called "loopholes." This was not a loophole, and get it right, it is the right all should have to express speach. Derogatory or not, you have freedom, and if I had seen it first hand, the flag would have been raised and there would have been one hell of a fight, for freedom!
Posted by: todd at November 10, 2005 7:26 PM
"Today the world saw with horror the attacks on innocent people in Jordan by killers who defile a great religion."
-George W. Bush, Nov. 9, 2005
Posted by: scaramouoche at November 10, 2005 7:59 PM
"What kind of jihad is this?"
Posted by: Silvester at November 10, 2005 8:03 PM
The root cause of Islamic terrorism is Islam.
It's quite obvious to anyone who looks into it.
at November 10, 2005 8:12 PM
..."Listen closely and you will not hear a condemnation of terrorism in general, either in Jordan, or Saudi Arabia, or in any other Muslim country, but rather the indignation that Muslims should kill Muslims. Simply intolerable." Hugh
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I have to admit before all that as I first read the Jordanian response a tiny fissure of hope appeared in my cynicism. I was carried away to a distant land where Jews, Christians, and Muslims peacefully co-existed. But alas, that old friend sobriety pulled me back to remind me of what Hugh has amply described above. Drat.
Posted by: Thumper at November 10, 2005 8:22 PM
Had, say, 40 or 50 of the dead been Westerners, there would be no fury, no demonstrations -- except insofar as there might be worries over a drop in tourism. The fury here is the same as that expressed in Saudi Arabia: outrage that Muslims should be the victims, when non-Muslims are all over the place, and are the appropriate target. Listen closely and you will not hear a condemnation of terrorism as always and everywhere unacceptable, either in Jordan, or Saudi Arabia, or in any other Muslim country. The outrage expressed is that Muslims should kill Muslims when their terrorist attacks should be limited to Israelis (everywhere), Americans (New York, Washington, Kenya, Tanzania, Beirut, Baghdad, Jordan, Khartoum, C.I.A. headquarters, Pakistan), Australians (Indonesia), French (Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Egypt), Italians (Algeria), Spanish (Madrid), English (London), Hindus (Pakistan, Kashmir, Bangladesh, India), Filipinos (Philippines), Thai (Thailand), Chinese (Indonesia), Germans (Djerba), Swiss (Luxor), Russians (Moscow, Beslan), and so on. And on. Those victims were all Infidels. That's okay.
What isn't okay is killing Saudis in Saudi Arabia (the Americans, Englishmen, and Lebanese Christians who were killed -- that was okay), or Egyptian Muslims in Egypt (Copts are okay), or in Jordan, Muslim Jordanians.
That makes no sense. That's immoral. That's beyond the pale.
Posted by: Hugh at November 10, 2005 8:28 PM
In Islam Christianity nor Jews exist. Funny how that works out. In Islam only one exists. Submit or relinquish to second class. Convert and you will be killed. Be a slave, pay a tax, the choice is yours.
Posted by: todd at November 10, 2005 8:31 PM
Troy Dunn poem:
Jordan Terror
Vultures in starving time,
Pick soft flesh.
The destitute, powerless
To effect real change
And so unlearned to know it,
Wage a coward’s war.
The is no God
At the bottom of a pool of blood.
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Never answer a critic. Most haven't a creative bone and exist only at the expense of those who think. The thickness of their skulls is the most impressive part of their parasitic existence.
Keep at it and never give in.
Posted by: Eschwapp at November 10, 2005 8:32 PM
I can kill you if you are Christian, Catholic, Pagan, or whatever religion, not responding to the all mighty Allah. If you criticize, you must be killed. If you do not convert, you must be killed. If you do not speak the tongue of my prophet, yet scorn him, you must be killed, stoned, or submitt to a tax or slavery.
Posted by: todd at November 10, 2005 8:40 PM
I can kill you if you are Christian, Catholic, Pagan, or whatever religion, not responding to the all mighty Allah. If you criticize, you must be killed. If you do not convert, you must be killed. If you do not speak the tongue of my prophet, yet scorn him, you must be killed, stoned, or submitt to a tax or slavery.
Posted by: todd at November 10, 2005 08:40 PM
at November 10, 2005 8:43 PM
read into it as you must, but the story remains the same, must I spell it out to you?
at November 10, 2005 9:00 PM
why is it Muslim's proliferate my speach, is it not cause they agree, or are mad at zionist objectives, I beleive that Islam, takes a stand here, and is rivalled by moderate Muslim's across the globe that relish free speach and expression and I would hope that Muslim's will make a stand and fight for the right to address all ineptitudes that local governments portray. Such as the French have not rallied to do so. Such is the pain felt in Indonesia, such is the pain felt world wide, oppression is not only a pre-requisite, it seems to be a mainstay. If Islam speaks in truth, which it will, then speach is the best recourse, and speach will be heard resoundingly! We all hear you, we all will, send your plight, lest us all listen!
Posted by: todd at November 10, 2005 9:19 PM
"...The outrage expressed is that Muslims should kill Muslims when their terrorist attacks should be limited to Israelis..." Hugh
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OK, I'm trying to keep up here. So if the Muslims that the Muslims are killing are considered non-Muslims, then are the Muslims doing the killing considered Muslims by the non-Muslims that think they are Muslims?
Posted by: Thumper at November 10, 2005 9:29 PM
Q: If the Muslims that the Muslims are killing are considered non-Muslims, then are the Muslims doing the killing considered Muslims by the non-Muslims that think they are Muslims?
A: No. This is why the Muslims that have been killed by the Muslims who consider them non-Muslims are required to kill the Muslims who mis-understood Islam and killed the Muslims who they considered non-Muslims... The Muslim who mis-understood Islam and killed Muslims which they considered non-Muslims are actually non-Muslims -- and must be killed... both because they are not real Muslims, and especially because they killed Muslims...
at November 10, 2005 10:28 PM
I should clarify from post above:
The Muslims that have been killed by the Muslims who consider them non-Muslims are now all dead... So the Muslims that are required to kill the Muslims who mis-understood Islam and killed the Muslims who they considered non-Muslims are Muslim family members and Muslim friends of the Muslims who were killed by the other Muslims who thought they weren't Muslims....
After re-reading my post I thought I had been a little arcane in my pronoun references...
Posted by: jsla at November 10, 2005 10:37 PM
Abu was a cowboy, mister, and he loved the land.He loved it so much he made a woman out of dirt and married her, But when he kissed her, she disintegrated. Later, at the funeral, when the Imam said "Dust to dust," some people laughed, and Abu shot them. At his hanging, he told the others, "I'll be waiting for you in Paradise--with a bomb"
Posted by: otterfisher at November 10, 2005 10:41 PM
Here's another great Muslim joke:
A Priest, a Rabbi, and a businessman walk into a bar -- and a pious Mujahadeen walks in and blows them all to hell.
After the telling ululations heard all around, clapping, singing, dancing -- rifles shot into the air -- and chants of "death to Israel -- Death to America! Allahuakbar! Allahuakbar" Then the crowd, giddy and out of breath after the hilarity of Iqbal's joke, decide it would be a real topper to haul the 3 year old girl upstairs and slit her clitoris off with a broken shard of glass...
That forms the basis of another great joke that Iqbal knows, but he'll save it for later. Now it's time to pray...
at November 10, 2005 10:55 PM
Who says Muslims should not kill Muslims !
Khomeini's speech on the day of celebration of the birth of Muhammad: 1981
The real Day of God is the day that Amir al mo’menin drew his sword and slaughtered all the khavarej and killed them from the first to the last.
If the Amir al mo’menin wanted to be tolerant, he would not have drawn his sword killing 700 people in one go.
Why do you Mullahs only go after the ordinances of prayer and fasting?
Why do you only read the Quranic verses of mercy and do not read the verses of killing?
Quran says; kill, imprison!
Why are you only clinging to the part that talks about mercy?
Mercy is against God.
Our [Holy] Imams were quite military men.
All of them were warriors.
They used to wield swords; they used to kill people.
We need a Khalifa who would chop hands, cut throat, stone people
In the same way that the messenger of God used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people.
In the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani Qurayza !
If the Prophet used to order to burn a house or exterminate a tribe that was justice.
WHY SHOULD ANYONE BE SURPRISED WHEN MUSLIMS KILL MUSLIMS !!!
ITS ALL IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND THE PROPHET MOHAMMAD !!!
Peace be upon those killed in the name of Peace for Islam !!!
at November 11, 2005 12:21 AM
Can someone tell me why Muslims keep saying 'PBUH' whenever they remember Mohammad ??
at November 11, 2005 12:24 AM
Noni, to annoy us? Ever read a long piece about their "prophet"? All that PBUH crap in there, makes it so difficult to read and keep your place.
The way I see it is, it's part of the whole brainwashing thing. They keep wishing the creep well, bestowing honour on somebody so undeserving of honour or respect, in an unthinking, routine manner. If you hear it enough times as you grow up, you don't stop and think about it, you naturally assume that this is a great person, you don't stop and wonder about it, don't doubt, don't question. Mindless zombies who, when confronted with people drawing cartoons of him, go crazy because they've been brainwashed this is somebody fantastic.
Posted by: feralee at November 11, 2005 3:17 AM
I was thinking .... about this anoying stuff PBUH.
I feel that Mohammad with that long history of Killing, loot and what not in His lifetime needs lot of Good Wishes from his followers, may be to neutralize the bad effects of His deeds !!!
I donot know... If you have any better explanation please do give.
Posted by: noni at November 11, 2005 3:37 AM
Mohammad who was the man?Was he really a prophet or an impostor?Some facts about him wouldnt do any harm,at least not to me cause im not his bigest fan:::)).
1.By the Quran Gabriel dictated everything to Mohammad word by word,but what the hell the man was iliterate and ignorant!!???
2.By the Quran it took him 25 years to receive the full text!!25 years in that fucking cave dreaming?Having visions?Or halucinating with bad weeds?Im sure Allah get very tired with his pupil::)).He was dreaming and his companions took notes about his dreams when he was awake,and he didnt forgot a thing?25 years?Thats weird by any standards.I didnt invented that,its in the Qouran!!He also dreamed about Jerusalem altough he never visited it,so the Muslims claim that Jerusalem is their holy city!!!
3.90% of that book is based on the torah,8% on the bible,the rest is pure inflamatory heatred and bulshit.And thats a fact!!
4.The muslims claim that they forefather was Ishmael an iligetimate son of Abraham!!Hagar his mother wasnt married to Abraham a slave to share his bed,so she whored with him by the standards of those days!!He was a bastard so the conclusion is for the reader!!!
5.The "Holy Book Qouran "was edited only 80 years after Mohammads death by a Jewish convert Ibn Itchak,so for 80 years it was a tale tale storry,a legend told by the olders,or a fairy tale just like Hans Christian Anderson!!!???
5.PBUH is used by the muslims cause they are glad he departed this world,just like saying good ridance:::)))In Arabic they say Ahsan Minu Rahu:::)))
at November 11, 2005 6:54 AM
Would the Jordanians be marching in the streets if the body count were mostly Westerners?
Personally, I only give it a day or two before the Jordanians start putting the blame where they think it really ought to be...on the U.S. and Israel.
We can certainly count on some Saudi iman or cleric putting their two cents in. In their case, however, I am sure they will mutter something to the effect that Allah brought this curse down upon the Jordanians for not being Muslim enough. Be sure to check in with MEMRI.
This march has given the Western world hope that at least some Muslims have come to their senses. It remains to be seen whether or not it is a false hope.
at November 11, 2005 6:56 AM
Jordan is pro-west compared to the other Arab countries. Jordan is the staging area for American civilians working in Iraq and also Jordan is training Iraqi soldiers. Hence, the bombings.
But what is emlightening to me is that I am now convinced that bin Laden is dead and Zarqawi is now running the "show".
Posted by: learjet0450 at November 11, 2005 7:25 AM
Saw Queen Noor on CNN last night. She was very clear in explaining the outrage and protests were due to a Jordanian sense of betrayal by fellow Muslims. The interview was notable for what it left out, as usual, not what was included. To listen you would have thought that this was the first suicide bombing to EVER take place, anywhere.
Posted by: t-ham at November 11, 2005 7:43 AM
I read the comments on Yahoo yesterday. It didn't take long for some Mohammedans to claim that it was the CIA and the Jooooozzzz!
Similar to 9/11 they claimed "the Joooz knew..."
I should have copied it!
One of them actually sounded just like - '4000 Jews didn't come to work that day'- he stated that 'just before the blasts went off the Joooz were 'whisked away'- standard ME Muhammedan propaganda.
They just can't do without it.
They tried that with 7/7 London-attacks as well.... Like "Blair did it in order to make it difficult for Muslims...."
How sick is that!?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 11, 2005 8:59 AM
Well, if the angry mob in Amman is angry enough, someone might just whisper where Abu Sore-Cow-he is hiding. If that happens and people start cheering America when a dopey-lloking Sore-Cow-he is pulled by some marines from his hole, then I might just admit I've been a little too cynical about the Arab street.
Posted by: Kepha at November 11, 2005 11:27 AM
Despite the all-crushing force of Islam there still is a subtle nationalism in the middle east, these Jordanians are upset that JORDAN was attacked by foriegners. As stated above there wouldn't nearly be as much outrage if the victims were entirely or mostly composed of outsiders.
Islam reminds me of the fictional state of Oceania, in which "war is peace". This was true because Oceania kept it's citizens in control by initiating constant wars and channeling all of the oppressed people's discontent into hatred of "the enemy". Islam always has an enemy, if it's not the infidels than it's the heretics and apostates. If it's not them it's the other nation (or tribe), if it's not them than you can always beat up the women, because they are lustful creatures that will always defile your honor if you are not careful.
I truly wonder if Islam could survive without conflict.
Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 11, 2005 7:52 PM
Saw Queen Noor on CNN last night. To listen you would have thought that this was the first suicide bombing to EVER take place, anywhere.
Posted by: t-ham [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 11, 2005 07:43 AM
In their skewed universe it was the first. CNN is owned primarily by Muslims. Do a search.
Posted by: Thumper at November 11, 2005 8:52 PM
This didn't take long:
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 12, 2005 5:42 AM
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