Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed...

The new poster boy for the Religion of Peace.

Posted by: XRDC at November 18, 2005 9:48 AM

And CAIR complains when sub-species like this are compared to animals. The only differences are that animals tear their helpless victims up with their teeth and claws, not machetes, and they don't celebrate barbaric murder.

Posted by: DCWatson at November 18, 2005 9:48 AM

If these rantings represented the true God of the universe,the almighty,the creator, Then I could never believe in such a god.

It sounds more like what may come from a different kind of god called Lucifer, or the devil, or even the Anti Christ; Spreading hate,mayhem, and murder; yes these are the clear efforts of the devil at work.

The real enemies of god are the practicers of the teachings of the devil. And how ironic that he is also a deceiver.

Posted by: Mackie at November 18, 2005 9:57 AM

OT: Reply to Nariz:

Nariz:

Thanks for your comments.

Since you are a new poster to JW/DW, you aren't aware of any of my intellectual positions; yet, nevertheless, you assume that you know what they are. I'll give you a tip, Nariz; never assume; it makes an ass of you and me.

Now, with regard to trying to encapsulate 5000 years of intellectual history in a few sentences, I'll give it a go.

As far as objective truth goes, I acknowledge that other than in the hard sciences, there is no such thing as knowledge that can be "easily" tested by empirical evidence (i.e such as the boiling point of water at a certain atmospheric pressure). In short, there is no such thing as "truth" per se in the humanities, either divine or manmade. (Needless to say, I do not believe in anything supernatural). In other words, knowledge in the humanities is not like that in the hard sciences. Yet, even in the humanities (within which I include economics, sociology, etc. - the so-called "soft" sciences), you can see what works and what does not. By which I mean, if you take a utilitarian, pragmatic view of particular forms of government or economics or urban plans or ways of life, etc., you can say, with some certainty (after you have tried it out someplace) that this particular form of government or this particular economics or this urban plan or this particular way of life produces the greatest happiness for the greatest number. Hardly anyone, except for people like Pol Pot, would dispute, for instance, the role of an educated populace in ensuring a functional, modern economy.

Now, as far as "truth" goes, I even then do not abandon this notion. I think that in some areas of study you must proceed in an "as if" fashion, meaning you should proceed "as if" truth existed in order to come out with some useful knowledge. In the study of history, this approach is imperative in my opinion. If you approach history as if it were a body of knowledge that should be simply manipulated so as to advocate for a particular value set then the study of history becomes meaningless. You might as well just make up anything you want to justify your position, which is, for example, what many holocaust deniers do. As Orwell said, "He who controls the present, controls the past; he who controls the past, controls the future."

Needless to say, that is why so many totalitarian belief systems, including Islam, strive valiantly to eliminate any vestige of the past which conflicts with their vision of how society should be. Muslims, in particular, do not want people to remember that once they were Hindus or Zoroastrians or Yazidi, etc.. To do so, would raise an element of doubt about their current religious inclination.

BTW, Nariz, here is one of my favorite websites, which I think that you might enjoy:

http://www.skeptic.com/

Posted by: Mentat at November 18, 2005 10:05 AM

These "rantings" reflect what is thought by most Muslims -- they want us dead...or subdued...which could be, in most cases, a fate worse than dead.

Posted by: epg at November 18, 2005 10:14 AM

"Italian-based"? Well, if they had managed to live there long enough, and stayed out of trouble, then of course they'd be "Italians." And their children would be "Italians." And their grandchildren. "Italians."

Posted by: Hugh at November 18, 2005 10:15 AM

Here Here, Mentat. He makes similar false assumptions about a number of people here.

Additional: irrational fear of Christians:

http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz200505020944.asp

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17957

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17927

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17958

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/jg20050513.shtml

And for those who would embolden Terrorists:

A tangled Web of Lies:
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/suzannefields/2005/11/17/175916.html

No terrorist lawsuits:
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/robertnovak/2005/11/17/175914.html

The Cut and RUNNNN! Party (ie, How to Embolden Terrorists):
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/monacharen/2005/11/18/176025.html

How to Lose a War:
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/ollienorth/2005/11/18/176024.html

Withdrawal Mania:
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/davidlimbaugh/2005/11/18/176021.html

Posted by: Gary at November 18, 2005 10:20 AM

HUGH posted: Italian-based"? Well, if they had managed to live there long enough, and stayed out of trouble, then of course they'd be "Italians." And their children would be "Italians." And their grandchildren. "Italians."

To which this Italo-American girl posts:
MAI! MAI! MAI! (NEVER, NEVER, NEVER)
Non e il sangue del mio sangue! MAI!

Posted by: bevc at November 18, 2005 10:39 AM

That was my point.

Posted by: Hugh at November 18, 2005 10:53 AM

Mentat...Nariz is not a new pister (that was a typo, but I think I'll leave it). He posted here a lot under the name Giaour...different name, same guy...

Rabei...is rabid...The problem is that there are so many of these loud mouthed fanatics, telling us what they 'really' think. This guy needs anti
venom medication because he is particularly venomous. You cant cure Allahic psychosis once it takes hold. This guy has it bad. He is a prime example of the Islamic psychosis in its acute stage. You can only kill him...or lock him up forever with or without further chemical restraints. Chemicals of choice are Thorazine 100mg four times a day (QID), Stelazine 10mg three times a day (TID), Haldol 10mg TID, and Sodiam Amytal injectable, when required (PRN) for severe agitation or when shouting Allahu Akbar. Dr's reading this will immediatly recognise the value of these chemicals in controlling Islamic psychosis. Had Mohammad been on Stelazine, he would not have heard Allah talking to him.
What Islam needs is more and better drugs. If necessary, grind them up and mix in with the falafel supply...in this case, chemicals save lives...Allah willing...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 18, 2005 10:54 AM

Yahia Ragheh, the Egyptian would-be suicide bomber sitting by Mr. Ahmed's side, clearly felt uncomfortable.

"Isn't it a sin?" he asked.

Here we have an example of G-d telling the young man, in that still, small voice in his heart, that something is evil. The muslim in charge tells the young man to ignore the good and embrace evil. It makes you wonder how long it takes to replace the G-d given instincts with Satan's murderous spirit.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 18, 2005 10:55 AM

One can understand why muslims are opposed to eating pig. It would be a form of cannibalism.

Posted by: restitutor orbis at November 18, 2005 11:28 AM

"...You simply need to be convinced when you make the decision."

Thats all it takes?
What a wonderful religion!

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at November 18, 2005 11:28 AM

Thanks Duh_Swami!

Nazir:

Is Duh_Swami correct? Are you Giaour?

Posted by: Mentat at November 18, 2005 11:30 AM

To compare these islamofacists to animals particular pigs would be a grave insult to the pig! These barbaric islamofacists are monsters from the filth of the arab gutter! wake up Europe!!

Posted by: Lulu at November 18, 2005 11:37 AM

I think what it comes down to is their lust for blood, especially in the form of human sacrifice. The ancient middle eastern pagan religions practiced human sacrifice, and islam has taken that practice over. What I don't understand, is that in modern times, we look with disdain upon such evil practices, and yet we still allow islam to go on like they pose no real threat to human sanctity. They have no love or respect for human life, including their own, and some would say that's what makes them dangerous. They are willing to give their own lives for the sake of their idealology, no matter how unfounded in reality it is. Faith normally stands in opposition to reason, yet they take it beyond human comprehension, into realms that is only seen in the likes of cults that brainwash their followers into joining, and using fear tactics to keep them. Islam is no different.

Posted by: pastor_matt023 at November 18, 2005 12:16 PM

When these tapes were revealed some time ago -- many in the Italian press leaped on the "Isn't it a sin?" portion of the recording...

They used it to support the supposition that the "average" Muslim doesn't support things like decapitation...

They fit it into a comforting framework to explain how a "moderate" (that's the guy who said "Isn't it a sin?") was turned into a potential suicide bomber by the extremist, the misunderstander of Islam (that's the guy who said "It's never a sin....You simply need to be convinced when you make the decision... ")

But what they ignored was the fact that, in the end, the "moderate" didn't report his violence loving radical misunderstander of Islam maniac friend to the authorities....

They glossed over the fact that in the end the "moderate" didn't reject the doctrine of homicide bombing....

They scuttled around the FACT that in the end, another Muslim in an endless and growing list of Muslims decided to become a murderer for his faith...

They also conveniently failed to take note that this decision wasn't arrived at after taking a marxist economics class and learning how the poor were made that way by the rich...

They also conveniently failed to take note that this decision wasn't arrived at after waiting in line for a dole check and becoming so fed up by this humiliation, or the "racism" "intolerance" and "Islamophobia" of Italian society, that he decided to become a murderer for his faith...

They seemed also to miss the fact that the discussion wasn't about American Imperialism, or even the invasion of Iraq...

What happened that day was simple. Two Muslims were watching a brutal disgusting and utterly HORRIFYING video of a mild hapless clueless man getting his head SAWN OFF -- that's an apt description -- HIS HEAD WAS SLOWLY SAWN OFF --

These two Muslim buddies sat, and while one salivated over the butchery, the other's weak unconvinced misgivings proved in the end insufficient for him to decide NOT to murder for his religion... PERIOD...

Posted by: jsla at November 18, 2005 12:19 PM

What a nice man Rabid Rabei is, he would have liked to BURN HELPLESS JEWISH VICTIM ALSO!!Let's hope these wannabe Zaqawis are put away behind bars for a long, long time. Even better, face a firing squad where they can be reunited with their evil Allah.

Posted by: Morgane at November 18, 2005 12:56 PM

Yahia Ragheh, the Egyptian would-be suicide bomber sitting by Mr. Ahmed's side, clearly felt uncomfortable.
"Uncomfortable"?!, this was the one and only islamic porn flick I ever watched. It was horrific, I felt that I might lose my mind or faint. The kind of person it takes to actually do such a thing just boggles the mind. I have remarked here before that just a mere 20 years ago the thought that anyone would behead another human being was outlandish. When I read about the accounts of beheadings in the book of Revelation, I thought it must be figurative. Who in their wildest dreams could believe that beheadings could become the method of murder for thses monsters.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 18, 2005 12:57 PM

Caroline2: "It makes you wonder how long it takes to replace the G-d given instincts with Satan's murderous spirit."

A series of books (Three) called 'A Course in Miracles', which some laud and some discredit, makes reference to the 'Holy Instant'. That is, the very instant when you become one 'with' your creator. It's sort of like, everyone is 'of' God, but not everyone is 'with' God. To be 'with' God requires the Holy Instant. The Romans had a saying, 'Demon est Deus inversus', more or less that the devil is God in reverse. This brings us to the 'unholy instant'. Many muslims are born with this instant others get it when they convert. The UNHOLY INSTANT, begins with accepting as truth "There is no Illah but Allah..."Illah is God and Allah is its reverse current or 'Demon est deus inversus'. And who is this demon who is the reverse or inverse of God?
Four guesses...you got it...Allah...Satan...Lucifer...Iblis. The infamous Islamic gang of four. Lords of matter where darkness prevails and all evil occurs.
And now you know the REST of the story...have a good day Swami...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 18, 2005 1:17 PM

How fitting it is for a murderer to pray to a God who sanctions murder. How fitting it is for a psychopathic torturer to burn someone alive as if to fulfill the intent of their God who sanctions a burning punishment. The religion or its practice in this way is an affront to humanity. These murders are a crime against humanity. I suppose the cultural relativists will say who are we to judge? I reply to the cultural relativists they become indirectly responsible as the vile scum who perpetrate it, if they do not act to stop it.

Posted by: David England at November 18, 2005 1:34 PM

The PBS website Frontline has this exchange in the original audio on their website . . . check out the free streaming website videos on the frontline website . . . chasing sleeper cells, there is a good one on Al quada in Europe and my favorite is The Man who knew about John Oneal who died on 911 in the WTC . . . he is the guy who had investigated Bin Laden and warned a deaf FBI beurocracy and administration about this threat through the 90's.

Posted by: biorabbi at November 18, 2005 1:34 PM

"You simply need to be convinced when you make the decision"

This guy just gave us the clue to what really happened in the EgyptAir Flight 990 crash of November 1999.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/transportation/july-dec99/egyptair_11-17.html

As you can see from the link, the crash was not caused by mechanical failure. Moments before the descent began, the flight data recorder picked up the voice of one of the pilots saying "I made my decision now. I put my faith in God's hands." There was initial speculation that this proved the pilot had deliberatedly crashed the airplane, ala 9/11. But this was immediately shouted down and spun away by the press and the Egyptian government.

Well, now we all know EXACTLY what "I have made my decision" meant.

Posted by: Jwatcher at November 18, 2005 2:17 PM

Carolyn2,

I posted a very similar comment a couple weeks ago concerning the passage in Revelation. I had thought that perhaps the gov't of the anti-christ would utilize a guillotine like in the Left Behind book series.

Beheadings = Barbarity to those of us with some moral underpinnings.

I way I see it the mutilations, like the ones mentioned above, Theo Van Gogh, and the contractors in Iraq whose bodies were mutilated and hung from the bridge (unfortunately only few of a huge number that have been perpetrated), are evidence that there is an Adversary (Satan) who hates the creation of God (man) and has millions of minions here on earth unknowingly worshipping him and willing to carry out his diabolical deeds.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at November 18, 2005 2:27 PM

Action Alerts
Thursday, November 17, 2005
ACTION: URGE CONGRESS TO REJECT PATRIOT ACT REAUTHORIZATION

In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful

CAIR ACTION ALERT #478

ACTION: URGE CONGRESS TO REJECT PATRIOT ACT REAUTHORIZATION

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 11/17/2005) – CAIR today called on American Muslims and other people of conscience to contact their elected representatives and urge them to vote against the USA PATRIOT Act Reauthorization Report.

This report is billed as a compromise between different versions of Patriot Act reauthorization approved by the House and Senate. However, none of the reasonable privacy protections contained in the Senate reauthorization bill are in the compromise report.

Without these minimal changes, law enforcement authorities will be allowed to continue unwarranted searches. Given recent revelations of FBI actions, sections 215 and 505 should be amended to require a connection between an individual’s private records and a suspected terrorist.

A bipartisan group of senators said today they will try to block the act’s reauthorization to protest the elimination the Senate-mandated protections against "unnecessary and intrusive government surveillance.”

SEE: “Senators Threatens to Hold Up Patriot Act Reauthorization Over Surveillance Protections”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1322716

SEE ALSO: “The FBI's Secret Scrutiny”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/05/AR2005110501366.html

The House of Representatives will likely vote Friday on this issue. The U.S. Senate will most likely vote within a week.

ACTON REQUESTED:

CONTACT your elected representatives to ask that they vote against the USA PATRIOT Act Reauthorization Report. An e-mail may not be read in time. By calling, you will get the direct attention of a congressional staff person.

GO TO: http://capwiz.com/cair/callalert/index.tt?alertid=8254346&type=CO

FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT CAIR Government Affairs Director Corey Saylor, 202-488-8787 or 571-278-4658, E-Mail: csaylor@cair-net.org

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Posted by: a10billr at November 18, 2005 2:31 PM

Mentat:

Let's just say, as to Nariz's ID, how many posters here would confess to being around 60ish and having been a "young Goldwaterite" way back...

If it ain't Giaour under a new nom de plum, Nariz has to be Giaour's separated at birth twin.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 18, 2005 3:03 PM

a10billr/CAIR-Representative-

He with nothing to hide, has nothing to worry about. As a matter of fact, you should want your life laid open and bare before the eyes of all to show that you are the stand up citizens you have claimed all along, and that the places and organizations to which you send your money are as pro-American as you are.

Thanks for checking in.

Posted by: XRDC at November 18, 2005 4:15 PM

This is sick..

God never ever made ANY human being
to have their heads sawed off...
Or to have their bodies blown up
by suicide bombers to get to the
heavenly orgy in the sky that muslims have been taught...

Some day there will be a reconing..
and it wont be Mohammed or ALLAH...

It will be GOD...

I dont envy what GOD will do to the followers of the Religion of Pieces Islam...

Especially mohammed..

Posted by: jingoist at November 18, 2005 4:22 PM

Dangerous Love with Camel

A Bangladeshi man has been sentenced to three months in jail
after pleading guilty to charges of bestiality. A report in Gulf News said the camel involved in the case is to be put down in accordance with Islamic law. Quoting a court official the report said the Bangladeshi, who worked as a driver, had been spotted going into his employer's barn on a regular basis. His employer became suspicious as his duties did not involve him
dealing with animals. The official said the employer, a UAE national, followed his driver into the barn one day and saw him starting to have sex with a female camel

http://www.keralamonitor.com/

[ My comments : Why is the poor Camel being put down ? Its the Muslim bastard bangladeshi who should be mercilessly put down !!! I pity the camel, to be first laid by a desperate wierdo Muzzie and then get killed for getting raped ... ]

Posted by: binge_drinking_pig at November 18, 2005 5:11 PM

binge drinking pig: Why is the poor Camel being put down ? Its the Muslim bastard bangladeshi who should be mercilessly put down !!! I pity the camel, to be first laid by a desperate wierdo Muzzie and then get killed for getting raped.

That is the penalty for women as well. No exceptions.

Posted by: DP111 at November 18, 2005 5:37 PM

That is one weird hump...

Posted by: jsla at November 18, 2005 5:37 PM

Neighbouring villages, beware cheap camel meat - special price today only!

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at November 18, 2005 6:43 PM

JWatcher

From the article

the rear wing flaps that direct the plane up or down, were moved in opposite directions; they usually operate in tandem. Investigators say this suggests the pilots were struggling over the controls

The elevators always move in unison. If the elevtors were moving in opposition, that may be because they were flapping about because the airspeed was too high.

Any pilots on board JW/DW at the moment?

Posted by: DP111 at November 18, 2005 6:52 PM

The troubling aspect of this case is that these jihadis in Milan were caught by chance, as one the Madrid bombers had the telephone number of the "italian" jihadi.

The question naturally arises - how many muslims are downloading jihadi material, and egging each other on the path of jihad. There is no way the security services can monitor them all.

Posted by: DP111 at November 18, 2005 7:10 PM

Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed,

May you rot in hell you sick, twisted f***!

Posted by: WineDrinkingInfidel at November 18, 2005 7:55 PM

I hate to say it, but you know it's true: all you need is tan skin, sandals, and cool ethnic clothes, and to hail from a 3rd World country, and you can get away with murder, beheadings, rapes, entrails in your mouth -- anything and everything will be forgiven by our dominant Leftist PC Western culture.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at November 18, 2005 8:08 PM

Dear Carolyn2,

You commented above:

Here we have an example of G-d
telling the young man, in that still,
small voice in his heart, that something
is evil. The muslim in charge tells the
young man to ignore the good and embrace
evil. It makes you wonder how long it takes
to replace the G-d given instincts with
Satan's murderous spirit...

Actually, that's not exactly what's going on. He's just saying that Muhammad in the Hadith forbade Muslims from burning people with fire (even though Muhammad had Kinana tortured with fire (see Ibn Ishaq's Sirat). So Yahia Ragheh is saying that to burn Nick Berg--as Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed suggested--would have been a sin:

Sahih Bukhari, Book 52, vol. 4, bk. 52, no. 259:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle sent us in a mission (i.e. am army-unit) and said, "If you find so-and-so and so-and-so, burn both of them with fire." When we intended to depart, Allah's Apostle said, "I have ordered you to burn so-and-so and so-and-so, and it is none but Allah Who punishes with fire, so, if you find them, kill them."

Sunan Abu-Dawud, bk. 14, no. 2667:
Narrated Hamzah al-Aslami: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) appointed him commander over a detachment. He said: I went out along with it. He (the Prophet) said: If you find so-and-so, burn him with the fire. I then turned away, and he called me. So I returned to him, and he said: If you find so-and-so, kill him, and do not burn him, for no one punishes with fire except the Lord of the fire.

Posted by: markjames at November 18, 2005 8:37 PM

Bing-drinking-pig posted:" Why the poor camel has tobe put down"?. BDP, are you not aware of Chief imam Ayothulla khomeni's 'do's and 'dont's to all muslims,which is called 'halaal' and haraam'(sanctioned for a muslim and not sanctioned for a muslim)? In that,he quotes,when a muslim is feeling 'horney' he can go to a camel,goat,or a donkey.(I dont know about a female muslim)-Google "ayathulla khomeni's rules for muslims, for reference. Every body knows the camel is much much taller than a man,and the donkey will give strong kicks. Will any brod minded Arab give some clues?!

Posted by: rafia at November 18, 2005 8:43 PM

Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed

Rabbi Osman. Hahuhaah. Bet he loves that.

Posted by: Jim at November 18, 2005 8:57 PM

Binge-drinking-pig- Here is a Camel riddle -

Why is the camel called 'the ship of the desert'?
Don't know?
Well.. camel is full of arab sea-men(arab semen)!!

Posted by: rafia at November 18, 2005 9:01 PM

DP111,

The left and right side of the horizontal stabilzer on many aircraft are rigidly attached to the fuselage. In that case, the elevators attached to the rear of the stabilizer's spar move up and down, in unison, causing the aircraft to change pitch (nose up/nose down).

Some horizontal stabilizers have no elevators. In that case, the entire horizontal stabilizer (both left and right side) move up and down in unison.

The F-14 Tomcat is a different 'cat' in that neither horizontal stabilizer has an elevator, and each operatates somewhat independently of each other. If you've ever watch one launch from a carrier, you'll see that quite clearly.

A 767's left elevator is controlled by the Captain, and the right elevator is controlled by the First Officer.

The report is basically consistent with the 767's pitch control system.

Posted by: PRCS at November 18, 2005 9:30 PM

These guys all got jobs at the vicious factory. All day and all night they produce viciousness, except of course for the five daily prayers.
Those prayers give them a breather and a chance for Allah to give them more vicious prone energy, so when they get back to their duty stations, they are especially vicious. Viciousness rolls out of them like so much sewer water overflowing a public toilet.
I like this line for pure viciouness:

"If I had been there, I would have burned him to make him already feel what hell was like. Cut off his head! God is great! God is great!"

It's hard to produce that kind of refined viciousness, that guys good at it. Bet his supervisor Allah is pleased with his work. The 'God is great' touch on the end was a suck up attempt...flattery will get you everywhere with Allah...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 19, 2005 12:00 PM

PRCS posted : A 767's left elevator is controlled by the Captain, and the right elevator is controlled by the First Officer.

Strange. Any reason for this design?

Posted by: DP111 at November 19, 2005 6:24 PM

I can't think of any practical reason that a passenger airliner would have independent elevators and most definitely it would not require two people to operate.

The only reason for a co-pilot is in case the pilot becomes incapcitated.

Posted by: learjet0450 at November 19, 2005 8:11 PM

I believe it is just another method of system redundancy. In case the left side controla fail (for whatever reason), the right side is still funcional, and vice versa.

Older aircraft required a third crewmember--a flight engineer.

Newer aircraft only require two (Captain & First Officer).

First officer is a FAA requirement, and is a vital part of the 'crew' concept. Two heads. Two sets of eyes. Etc.

Posted by: PRCS at November 19, 2005 11:04 PM

Dr Pepper,
If the guy who has tan skin is an Israeli, then he does not get any carte blanche from the "left." He's still a bad guy, even if he's defending himself.

Bevc,
The problem with the Arabs is not their genes but what is inside their testa [Latin word for pot, now meaning head]. But I know how you feel.
All the same, loro sangue ain't necessarily so different. Look at the converts they've made in Western countries who go out and do the same mad crimes as they do.
In regard to Italy, we should remember the Arab pirate raids against Italy that went on for hundreds of years until about 200 years ago. The pirates came in many ships and took many captives, one raid on Reggio di Calabria took 17,000 captives, according to Amfiteatrof. This forced the population to desert the coastal plains in order to avoid pirate attacks.
How come nobody in the EU foreign policy department recalls the cruelty and long duration of Arab piracy/enslaving, etc.

Posted by: Eliyahu at November 20, 2005 3:07 AM

PRCS and learjet

I can just about understand system redundancy for having the elevators operate independently but having one operated by the captain and the other by the first officer, makes no sense at all.

This requires further study and we should not take up space on this site for that. However if you come with any more info, I would love to know. Curiosity and all that.

Posted by: DP111 at November 20, 2005 4:52 PM

PRCS

You mentioned the F-14. Again I cannot think why one should have independent elevators, specially as the pilot has no further appendages to operate them independently, in coordination with ailerons and rudder. He is oveloaded anyway on take-off.

I can think of a reason why they may be required but its only a guess, and they would need to operate by flight computer command.

Strange business.

Posted by: DP111 at November 20, 2005 4:58 PM

DP,

The F-14's horizontal stabilizers are operated by one person, but they operate somewhat like elevons on a delta winged aircraft.

The 767 left side actually controls the right side to some extent, as the right side does to the left.

Here's a link to the NTSB report on the EgyptAir crash:

http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAB02-01.pdf

Posted by: PRCS at November 20, 2005 5:29 PM

To those who are following the ancient Babylonian human sacrifice cult that is now called Islam, killing a person is never a big deal. Just ask one who is doing so as the Islamic militants seen here.

Human sacrifice is a major factor in Islam's removing of man's innate psychological aversion to the committing of murder. Which is what makes these unfortunate former human beings killer-Zombies.

Fiendish is what this is.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 21, 2005 1:12 PM