St. Caths! Too close by 10,000 miles.

My wife just commented "The safest house to have is right next to the Hell's Angel's home." ie, they don't want trouble in their own neighborhood.

Well, maybe. I don't see the HA wearing dynamite as they drive down the street tho...

Posted by: Gary at November 19, 2005 1:38 PM

Canada"s homegrowned islamic extreamists are known as'sleeping cells' and the time is nearing for Canada's turn,after france's 'riots'. It is frightening to note that the way the leftist government of Paul Martin,and the leading news medias support these islamic radicals,backing them,and glorifying their presence in canada.These islamists hold sway in every walk of canadian life,and though 2% strong,they have a say in eduction,govt.policies,etc. Their main mouth piece is the Candian news paper"The Toronto Star". They DEMAND a seperate diet for muslim students,seperate praying rooms in schools,secluded seperate swimming pools , biology classes, pram celebrations for muslim girls. All at the public tax payers cost,and this Toronto star will air their grieviances and demands in the front page. An editor of this paper called Haroon Siddique is a Bush basher,USA Jew and christian hater. He supports and reason out all the attrocities of the muslims throghout the world. Canada,, Be prepared,, Your turn is coming very close.

Posted by: rafia at November 19, 2005 2:01 PM

Let's give them a separate boat for the long, one-way trip back to the Middle East.

No muslims. No mosques.

Posted by: Havoc at November 19, 2005 2:24 PM

I say find all these idiots, ship them to Iraq and let the Marines take care of them.

Posted by: Sheik Canuck (swt) at November 19, 2005 3:02 PM

Sigh [heavy] Depressing isn't it living under a loony left government! Same as in Kiwiland with Ms Clarke who gave an award to a local supermarket which came up with prayer room for Somali workers - nope, Christians,Jews,Hindus & others get nothing!! After bombings in London,lots of police were drafted to FIND THOSE WHO HAD BROKEN WINDOWS OF MOSQUE - with huge publicity WHILE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH POLICE LEFT TO SOLVE LOCAL MURDERS IN AUCKLAND. People have had a gutsful of minority myopia and political correctness though. Lovely Helen only just scraped in and doubt if her government will last 3 years. Trouble is with Clarke & Martin they're still living in a 1960's Time Warp. Only bombs will ever wake up these dodderers : by then they 'll
be highly paid wankers at U.N., latter should read 'Useless Nations."

Posted by: Morgane at November 19, 2005 4:57 PM

The biggest problem we have in Canada is not the government but the people who elected them. We are on a verge of another election and even thought the liberals are guilty of corruption at the highest level they will still win. Why because Canada is a leftist country. The newspapers have already started bashing Harper as a racist and a homophobe. I find it Ironic how one of the tenets of being Canadian is to hate america and americans; and one of the stereotypes of americans up here is that americans are stupid and fall for negative smear tactics during elections. Yet those very same people are buying into the smear campaigns up here. Apparently there was an ad last week that accused Harper of being someone "who will just do what the Americans tell him to" I missed it but I heard it went something like that. Now if that isnt propoganda I dont know what is. How stupid are the average voters in this country to fall for crap like this.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at November 19, 2005 5:24 PM

fellow canucks,

People like Siddiqui (as rafia mentioned) use their position to promote political Islam at the expense of human rights. Will any Canadian politicians, of any stripe, at least come out and condemn "radical Islam"? Do they favour human rights and freedoms, or do they cow-tow to the Islamist supremacists?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 19, 2005 5:42 PM

Hey go easy on the Canadians, after all they arrested and extradited Ernst Zuendel for sowing hate with his Holocaust Denial. Actually very liberal/leftist of them.

Or can you name any Right wing government that has done the same? A couple of right wing governments that I can think of are (All Muslim countries), Argentina, Bolivia and Pinochets Chile and they were/are positively fascist and havens for NAZI's.

Posted by: Nariz at November 19, 2005 8:18 PM

And guess CAIR had to say about these Jihadists after they were arrested on solid evidence .

CAIR-Canada has defended about 5 non-Citizens that now have been linked to terrorism or supporting the cause of terrorism , but while CAIR was quick to run to the Media with the usual "Islamophobia" and "Racism" claims for each Muslim male , CAIR has yet to recant the attacks on non-Muslim Canadians that have been endlessly attacked as redneck bigots and anti-Muslim .

CAIR-Canada is a Pro-Whahabi/Shariah sect of the Islamic followers here , and recently Sheema Khan ( AKA Sheema Con-job ) was forced to admit in public that a CAIR survey claim that over 40,000 Muslims were victims of racism by the Police was misleading and less than 600 people filled out a Racism-survey on their Website that asked for comments and had notices sent to CAIR's email base for regular visitors to the site that registered for bullitens .
Khan also had to revealed that the 19 Canadian Muslims profiled and detained without charges were actually part of 26 illegals in Canada with expired visa and fake passport gained by bogus ID , the 19 she cited were young/sunni/male/Pakistanis on visitors visa and two were caught taking flying lesson near a Nuclear Plant and later caught scouting the beach front near the cool-water intake ducts.

Because of this admission in public Khan has been removed from CAIR-Canada are a Director and Chairperson, she is staying on in a adminitration level and I guess that's how Whahabis punish Muslims for telling the truth at CAIR .

Khan's statements are on public records from a inquiry into "Islamophobia" in Canada and the Police forces, an astute Lawyer for the Canadian Government challenged Khan's assertions and probed the factual evidence at the root of CAIR's accusations of Islamophobia.

Khan's got flustered and became non-commital to her responses , then she reverted to the typical CAIR rant of claiming that " Just because the evidence may be in question it doesn't mean that the Racism and Islamophobia isn't a problem" .
Right Sheema, and just beacuse only a few Muslims do Jihad and terrorism it doesn't mean that the rest of them aren't terroists and suicide bombers.

When you have a Muslim on the ground and their throat under your boot, don't let up because a frightened animal goes wild when they aren't in control as the Hunter going after the prey.

Posted by: ala-sux at November 19, 2005 9:18 PM

rafia,

You said:

“It is frightening to note that the way the leftist government of Paul Martin,and the leading news medias support these islamic radicals,backing them,and glorifying their presence in canada.”

Can you provide me with any reference or source quoting Martin as supporting ("glorifying"!?)Islamic radicals? I believe you are mistaken.

I also think that many people would question your implication that Martin was "left wing." Martin himself is probably a centrist, though the party is left-of-center.

I suspect that it can be shown that the Conservatives would take a tougher stand against radical Islamists (that is, if you believe what they say while they are in the official opposition), but it hardly follows that Martin's government supports those Islamists.

Another aspect of political Islamism, namely the "sharia" proposal in family law arbitration, was written up by a left-wing NDP politician named Boyd, under the guidance of Islamist Syed Mumtez Ali. However, the proposal was publicly opposed by prominent left-wing feminists (including former Liberal politician Shiela Copps). The sharia proposal was rejected by the McGuinty (Liberal) government in Ontario, though this rejection was somewhat disguised under a broad ban on all officially-sanctioned religious arbitration.

My overall impression is that all the political parties are afraid to come out and denounce Islam directly, though they may condemn terrorists. Clearly, all politicians of all stripes need to be educated on this issue.

I agree with what you say about the Toronto Star (especially about pro-Islamist editor Siddiqui).

Posted by: Archimedes at November 19, 2005 9:38 PM

ala-sux,

Thanks for this. It looks like CAIR-CAN may have some "honesty" problems, like (US-based) CAIR. Do you have a reference that I can look up for Khan's statements?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 19, 2005 9:44 PM

...what is seen as Muslim oppression

you ain't seen nuthin' yet, Achmed ....

The "opression" islam feels right now is teeny

What's coming for islam is hard true painful punishment

an ending punishment is in order, in order for the Rest of the World to exist

islam is a dying death cult

good riddance

Posted by: Crunchy Jello at November 19, 2005 10:44 PM

ARCHIMEDES :

Yes yes yes , I send a notice Anti-CAIR and JW when the inquiry was held in around late May to June on CPAC-live where Khan made the comments after swearing on a Quran.

The Gov.ca Website has archived the transcripts and has a PDF function for off-line reading along with a Word-search box to find the pages where they are cited.

You'll love the part where Khan reviews all the action by the 19 sunni males and asserts that the evidence is laughible to the average person.

The website has a good menu and I'll post the link as soon as I can so keep a watch on this topic , i may still have the item on my favourites list .

During one of the round-table sessions one of the weasels for CAIR was asked about their stance on condemning global violence and terrorism , the response was only a claim that they are only concerned about oppression within Canada .

Posted by: ala-sux at November 20, 2005 12:27 AM

Archimedes:

Here it is , the date of interest is 2005-06-09 and just click on the Table of contents and wait for the adobe file to be downloaded, scroll down to persons speaking that day and Sheema Khan is right there.
The inquiry finish this month , but Khan was on the stand in this time period and will all the lies that came out i didn't bother to scan other dates where she testified about islamophobia.

BTW
Waldon is the "Rent-a-lawyer' puppet for CAIR , and Frothill is the Government Lawyer that hacks away at Khan over the "know your rights" booklet that CAIR give out as part of coaching Muslim to avoid assisting the Police of RCMP and CSIS when investigating other muslim and Arabs.

http://www.ararcommission.ca/eng/11e.htm

Posted by: ala-sux at November 20, 2005 12:56 AM

Well, Nariz, one doesn't get much more right wing than Austria... do you have a reading comprehension problem or something?

Historian Charged With Denying Holocaust

Right-wing British historian David Irving, who once famously said that Adolf Hitler knew nothing about the systematic slaughter of 6 million Jews, has been arrested in Austria on a warrant accusing him of denying the Holocaust.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something?

Posted by: Lisa at November 20, 2005 3:11 AM

ala-sux,

Thanks again for the link. This is a huge document. It is a waste of time to bother looking through it, unless you give us the page numbers where your cited examples can be found.

I went to Khan's responses to Fothergill (was this who you meant by "Frothill"?), which are on pp. 6290-6352, but didn't see her answer or evade any question about terrorism. I saw her give a ridiculous response to the question of how Sunni Islamic Terrorism should be labelled, but nothing was asked about whether they approved or disapproved of terrorism.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 20, 2005 11:53 AM

The problem is not that the current Liberal Government supports Islamic radicals, but that its underlying ideology of multi-culturalism and cultural equivalence prevents it from taking the tough steps necessary to counter them. This is turn reflects the broader political views of the Canadian public, which seems to be shaped more by political correctness and an unfortunate climate of anti-Americanism, which has been aggravated by the Iraq War, than by any rational assessment of the magnitude of the threat of Islamic terrorism.

Although the Canadian Government initially responded aggressively to 9/11 by quickly passing Bill C-36, the Anti-Terrorist Act, and by beefing up spending on defence and security, it soon began to backpeddle as domestic political support for counter terrorism dwindled. The key event that catalyzed Canadian public opinion in favour of this backsliding was the Arar affair, which became a cause célèbre in Canada.

For non-Canadians, who may be unfamiliar with this incident, Maher Arar is a dual Syrian-Canadian national who while in transit in New York was rendered to Syria by the United States Government where he was held for over a year and allegedly tortured. Following his return to Canada, and under political pressure from human rights and Muslim advocacy groups, the Canadian Government established an inquiry to look into his allegations, focusing in particular on whether the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS) were complicit in his extraordinary rendition.

The Arar affair and the surrounding press coverage has already induced the Canadian Government to tighten the leash on the RCMP and CSIS. More specifically, three ministerial directives have been issued clamping down on RCMP national security probes.

One ministerial directive required the RCMP to obtain prior ministerial approval before cooperating with or entering into a working arrangement with a foreign security or intelligence service. CSIS was specified as the lead agency for any such liaison and co-operation. Another directive provided guidance on investigating “sensitive sectors” of society like religion. This was done to restrict the ability of the RCMP and CSIS to carry out U.S.-style investigations of mosques and Islamic centres, which have been a fruitful target of investigations and have resulted in so many successful prosecutions south of the border.

In 2004, the Canadian Government has also established a "Cross Cultural Roundtable" including representatives of many different ethnic, racial, cultural and religious backgrounds prominently featuring Muslims to provide the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness with input on national security matters. Needless to say, this provides yet another level of critical scrutiny making it even more difficult for the RCMP and CSIS to take politically controversial actions necessary to counter terrorism.

Following the final report of the Arar Inquiry, which is scheduled for early next year, the Canadian Government is expected to weaken the Anti-Terrorist Act and impose further restraints on the RCMP and CSIS. Incidently, in spite of all the criticism that the Anti-Terrorism Act has received from civil liberties and Muslim advocacy groups, it has only been used twice, once to allow a private hearing of a witness in the trial of the alleged Air India bombers and to charge a young Pakistani-Canadian named Momin Khawaja, who was caught for his involvement in an alleged bomb plot in London, apparently largely thanks to British and American police work.

Sadly, it will probably take an event like the London subway bombings to shake the Canadian public from its complacency and to galvanize the Canadian Government to take the tough action necessary to guard against terrorist attacks.

Posted by: Patrick at November 20, 2005 3:06 PM

archimedes:

I switch from my home PC with a 56K modem and a local cybercafe with a T1 link.
The Lawyer for the Government had a odd name and I didn't misspell it , I do have a good memory but it's just short.

As for the inquiry I watched it live on CPAC and witnessed Khan being cross examined on some Islamophobia claims, and I did post partial comments by her on JW earlier, I can do a search and find the post or at least review the transcripts "Search" function for any word or name.

Posted by: ala-sux at November 20, 2005 5:36 PM

Morgane

Somalis like Kosovans, seem to be everywhere. Considering they are both small countris, I wonder if there are any left in Somalia and Kosovo.

Posted by: DP111 at November 20, 2005 5:48 PM

archimedes :

I found several comment by Khan , once the file is downloaded you only need to click on the binocular-icon in the tool bar and a search window pops out.
from there just enter Pickering of Nuclear Plant, also Cair-can survey , or 19 , or operation thread.

I actually read the whole thing and it wasn't very easy , but I did find the reference to the Cair survey , Kahn admits less than 300 people across canada responded and that's out of the near 700,000 Arabs and Muslim CAIR like to profess to speak for.
Note how paranoia is allowed in the survey when Muslims use the term "Felt" or refers to feelings , and the near 80% claiming an effect from 9/11 don't understand the seriousness of 3000 humans being slaughtered by those claiming to be Muslims.

Cair's very own survey takes about 250 opinions and projects that on 400,000 Muslims as if to be valid and scientific reasearch.

I can't re-read the whole days records for you , try the search-word option and use Khan to find all her comments.

Posted by: ala-sux at November 20, 2005 6:39 PM

Moderationist, I'm of Asian descent, and I'll tell you that the governing Liberal Party in Canada coddles every foreign zealot and "freedom fighter" that comes to Canada's shores. And the reason for this is the vote bank politics. You bring them in, you gush sympathetically over whatever overseas conflict they fled from -- and you get their free vote.

Obviously, when you're robbing Peter to pay Paul like that -- weakening the social fabric and eschewing assimilation in order to milk votes -- people build up a sense of entitlement, that their war is acceptable to bring with them. Canada has now earned a reputation for being a sponsor of terrorism, by subsidizing foreign conflicts with its own welfare state. Sooner or later it's going to bite the country back, just like lefty Tony Blair saw with 7/7 and France is now seeing with its riots. Sooner or later some nut is going to set off bombs in Canada due to its having troops in Afghanistan.

Posted by: sanman at November 20, 2005 10:25 PM

ala-sux,
Thanks. I also had a look at your earlier posts on jihadwatch from several months ago. Very revealing. CAIR-CAN is deceptive, just like the American CAIR.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 20, 2005 10:42 PM

The biggest problem we have in Canada is not the government but the people who elected them???
I think not,the bigest problem in Canada is that you aloud Muslim emigration in the country!!Change the imigration laws,and send back home the MSMs.Its not a Catholic weding you can separae from them.Do it now before its too late!!Canada=Canadistan?I wonder!!!The future is here!!

Posted by: Thomas at November 21, 2005 6:47 AM

From Patrick's post:

"The problem is not that the current Liberal Government supports Islamic radicals, but that its underlying ideology of multi-culturalism and cultural equivalence prevents it from taking the tough steps necessary to counter them."

Spot on. The Left and the Jihad aren't in league--they just happen to complement each other nicely.

Posted by: Mad_Jack at November 21, 2005 7:51 AM

Al-Sux says "Cair's very own survey takes about 250 opinions and projects that on 400,000 Muslims as if to be valid and scientific reasearch."

It's even worse than that. The survey was not taken in accordance with statistical sampling procedures. A non random self-selected survey such as that done by CAIR is virtually meaningless. It probably included a significant proportion of the disaffected Muslims likely to have interactions with the police and security service and excluded the vast majority of Muslims who don't frequent mosques.

Posted by: Patrick at November 21, 2005 10:19 AM

Archimedies, the Paul Martin's government is responsible for the upper hand of these islamic chaos is Canada. You will agree when I say Paul Martin can go to any length to get his votes.The islamists are making a good lot out of it. I think you are not familiar with the canadian islamic tv programes. You can see the way these guys talk about their demands and Rights in Canada (forgetting about their DUTIES in canada). Recently When pakistan earth quake took place, Martins"s govt. sanctioned hundreds of Millions of dollors as aid. The Muslim Associations were not satisfied,and pressed Paul Martin's govt for more ,knowing fullwell he cannot say 'no' . Now additional sum of $5000.000/ has been santioned. Well,you may say 'its charity for a good cause.its ok' But the irony is ,No body knows how much goes to the quake victims as you can see on the tv the pak victims complaining that still they are starving and without medical help!. When this quake calamity is going on,four churches,including two of Salvation Army were burnt down in pakisthan village. Thosuands of locl pakistan christians (they are dwindling day by day)were chased out of their village to the shouts of"Alahukabar'In fact, Salvation Army is known for their charity work in devastated countries,without any tags of race or religion.,and they were collecting funds of the Pak. quake going house to house in Canada.Well,that is the reward we get for the help!! WILL PAUL AND HIS GOVT.OPEN THIR MOUTH AND WARN PAKISTAN TO TREAT THEIR CHRISTIAN MINORITIES PROPERLY WHILE HANDING OVER THE BAGS ANDS BAGS OF TAX PAYER'S MONEY TO THESE UNGREATFULL PEOPLE? You know there are thousands of homeless and needy people in our own country. As Samman pointed out earlier,Martin can do any thing for VOTES and his government is allowing dangerous jihadis as immigrants and refugees inside Canada,as if there is a lack of potential immigrants ,such as the peace loving ,hard-working chinese,Hinus,Philipians,Mexicans,Europeans,and above all, the much illtreated chritians of the islamic world,who will NOT BE A THREAT TO CANADA IN THE FUTURE>

Posted by: rafia at November 21, 2005 11:06 AM

l am hoping to improvise one of Rush's stickers for our next Cdn election.. "Still Voting Liberal, you stuck on Stuipid". The sad thing is that even our Conservative party is wimping out by our leftist media.
one positive thing l witnessed on a cdn pbs chanel..
they had a Cdn military officer, l think two on a Univ.campus answering questions about our involvement in Afganistan. they answered these questions admireably! one Arab-Canadian student first words that the officers should fire themselves and leave Afganistan, where as the Cdn military officar said he would stay in Afganistan, to that effect, it was met with applause by other students! it gave my heart a flutter that some students actually praised our military! perhaps with some of these students use of the computer they can find the truth, the liberal media is losing its power!!!

Posted by: Lulu at November 22, 2005 5:36 AM